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Earnings Call Analysis

Petrobras Shows Robust Financial Health Amid Production Fluctuations

In Q1 2024, Petrobras reported a net profit of $4.8 billion with adjusted EBITDA of $12.1 billion and an operating cash flow of $9.4 billion. Despite planned production downtimes, oil production rose by 3.7% year-over-year. The refinery utilization factor improved to 92%, up 7 percentage points. Financial debt decreased to $27.7 billion, the lowest since 2010. Petrobras' strategic focus remains on long-term value creation, advancing in low-carbon markets and maintaining its leading position in shareholder returns.

Introduction: Consistent Performance in Uncertain Times

Petrobras, the Brazilian oil giant, has once again demonstrated its resilience and strategic prowess in the first quarter of 2024. Despite facing external challenges like the Brent price fluctuations and currency devaluation, Petrobras maintained robust financial health and strong operational performance. CEO Jean Paul Prates emphasized the company's unwavering commitment to capital discipline, generating shareholder value, and executing its strategic investment plan.

Production Highlights: Navigating Maintenance Downtime

The start of 2024 saw a planned reduction in oil and gas production due to scheduled maintenance on platforms. This did not deter the overall production trajectory, which showed a 3.7% increase compared to the same period last year. Significant contributions came from various FPSOs, including the Almirante Barroso in Buzios and P-71 in Itapu, which achieved peak production at the end of last year. New units like Marechal Duque de Caxias are set to bolster production further in the second half of the year, with an impressive capacity of 180,000 barrels per day and 12 million cubic meters of natural gas.

Refining and Downstream Performance

The first quarter traditionally brings lower sales volumes due to seasonality. Petrobras utilized this period strategically for maintenance at key refineries, ensuring that the utilization factor remained high at 92%, a significant 7 percentage points increase from the previous year. This was achieved despite substantial scheduled stoppages. The first quarter's refined product output showed that 67% of production comprised high-value products like diesel, gasoline, and jet fuel.

Financial Health: Strong Cash Generation and Debt Reduction

Financially, Petrobras continued to exhibit strength with a net profit of $4.8 billion for the first quarter, despite a 16% drop from the previous quarter due to currency devaluation. The company generated $9.4 billion in operational cash flow and maintained a free cash flow of $6.5 billion. Notably, Petrobras' financial debt fell to $27.7 billion, the lowest level since 2010, continuing a consistent downward trend. The company’s adjusted EBITDA was an impressive $12.1 billion.

Shareholder Returns and Future Investments

One of Petrobras' notable achievements has been its robust return to shareholders, with total shareholder return (TSR) in U.S. dollars reaching 107.3% over the past year. The company approved a generous $13.45 billion payout in dividends, supported by a successful buyback program. Petrobras reinforced its commitment to future growth with a strategic investment plan of $102 billion earmarked for 2024-2028, targeting both upstream and downstream expansions.

Commitment to Sustainability and Innovation

Petrobras made significant strides in its energy transition and sustainability efforts. The company reduced its greenhouse gas emissions by 55% in the first quarter and plans to continue reducing CO2 emissions per barrel. The ongoing innovation in energy transition technologies, such as the HISEP system and the introduction of R5 diesel, underscores Petrobras' dedication to a sustainable future. With an investment focus on energy transition, nearly $1 billion annually is allocated to developing these initiatives.

Strategic Decisions and Operational Excellence

Strategic decisions, such as inducing maintenance downtime in the first quarter and ensuring efficient capital deployment, have positioned Petrobras well for continued growth. The company maintained high production levels through its refining parks, despite the challenges posed by scheduled maintenance. The utilization and efficiency of refinery operations continued to show impressive numbers, reflecting Petrobras' commitment to operational excellence.

Looking Ahead: Ensuring Long-Term Value Creation

Looking to the future, Petrobras aims to maintain its production levels and address any challenges arising from the international environment. The company’s strategic investments are expected to yield significant returns, enhancing value for shareholders and contributing to societal needs through substantial tax contributions and dividends.

Earnings Call Transcript 2024-Q1

[Operator]

Good morning, and welcome to Petrobras' earnings call for analysts and investors. We're going to discuss our results for the first quarter of 2024. It's a pleasure to have you here. This event will be held in Portuguese, but it is being simultaneously translated into English. You may access the links to both language webcasts on our investor relations website. [Operator Instructions] You may send your questions via email, [e-mail] have with us Carlos Travassos, Executive Engineering, Technology and Innovation Director; Clarice Coppetti, Executive Director of Corporate Affairs; Claudia Schlosser, Executive Director for Logistics, Trade and Markets; Joelson Mendes, Executive Director for Production and Exploration; Mario Spinelli, Executive Director for Governance and Compliance; Mauricio Tolmasquim, Executive Director for Energy Transition and Sustainability; Sergio Caetano Leite, Executive Financial and Investor Relations Director; and William Franca, Executive Director for Processes and Products.We will begin with a video message of our CEO, Jean Paul Prates.

[Jean Paul Prates, executive]

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Today, we're going to go into the financial results for the first quarter of 2024. The main message I would like to leave you with before presenting the figures is our commitment to executing and financing our investment plan with capital discipline and generating value for shareholders and society.We maintained consistent cash generation this quarter, which gives us security in relation to future investments, including those for production growth. This quarter and also in comparison to the previous quarter, we had a drop in oil and gas production, which was already expected because we have scheduled maintenance downtimes on platforms. Therefore, it's a planned movement, which does not impact our production curve set out in the strategic plan.I would like to point out that this is a short-term variation because when we compare it to the first quarter of 2023, Petrobras' production grew by 3.7%. In other words, we have increased production in the last 12 months and we are on a growing curve projected in our '24 to '28 strategic plan. In the E&P segment, we had an excellent performance from the FPSOs Almirante Barroso in Buzios and P-71 in Itapu, which reached peak production at the end of last year. And we are increasing production from the FPSOs Sepetiba in Mero and Anita Garibaldi in the Campos Basin.In the second half of the year, we're going to start operating the Marechal Duque de Caxias FPSO, which will be the third definitive production system for the Mero field, with the capacity to produce up to 80,000 -- excuse me, 180,000 barrels per day and 12 million cubic meters of natural gas.Talking about the downstream, you know the first quarter is always weaker in terms of sales volume due to seasonality. We took advantage of this period to make scheduled maintenance stoppages at the refineries. And even with important scheduled stoppages at Repar and Replan, the utilization factor of our refining park remains high, reaching 92% in this first quarter of 2024, 7 percentage points above the utilization factor of a year ago. It's important to say that this increase in the level of refinery processing is taking place with value generation and total safety.Diesel, gasoline and jet fuel in total production was 67% in the first quarter. We're also keeping an eye on low-carbon markets. In this quarter, we expanded our offer of more sustainable products, starting to sell R5 diesel with renewable content at RPBC, which, like REPAR, is already able to sell R5 diesel. We also signed a partnership with the second largest asphalt retailer in the country to sell CAP Pro-W, a more sustainable type of asphalt.This is a summary of our operating performance in the first quarter, which led us to a net profit of $4.8 billion, adjusted EBITDA of $12.1 billion, and an operating cash flow of $9.4 billion. An important highlight is our financial debt, which has been falling every quarter. We ended the first quarter with a financial debt of $27.7 billion, the lowest quarterly level since 2010.We should also point out that the return to our shareholders taking into account share appreciation and dividend payment continues to be the highest in the industry over the last 12 months. And considering only the first quarter of 2024, our public return in taxes and other government participations reached BRL 68 billion. These are consistent figures that demonstrate Petrobras' financial health. This robustness underpins the ambition of a company that wants to keep growing, innovating and transforming itself.Beyond our recent success, we also want to emphasize that our investment case is a long-term one. We're building the Petrobras of the future, a more efficient company committed to generating value with total attention to people and connected to a just energy transition.Thank you all for your participation, and I wish you a great event.

[Ana Paula Zettel, executive]

We will now start the presentation of the earnings of the first quarter of 2024. To begin, I'd like to give the floor to Clarice Coppetti, Director of Corporate Affairs.

[Clarice Coppetti, executive]

Thank you, Ana Paula, and good morning to everybody. It is a huge pleasure to be here with you today to go over our financial results for the first quarter and also to give you information about our actions and our activities in Rio Grande do Sul state.At this moment when the state is going into its third week of a climate catastrophe, since May 1, we've been giving shelter to more than 600 people inside our center in Canoas -- it's basically adjacent to the Alberto Pasqualini refinery -- giving every possible condition to everybody that lost their homes and providing them with food, shelter, hygiene and protection throughout the day, and also the possibility of spending the night and providing them with as much comfort as we can.This is an amazing work done not only with the involvement of our local team, but also it's being fully supported by the donations that we've been providing. You can see that we donated over BRL 7,600,000 to the impacted communities. Our operations are extremely strong in Canoas and Esteio, where our main asset is located in Rio Grande do Sul, refinery Alberto Pasqualini. Also, fuel. Over 500,000 liters have been donated. And always catering to the demands of the civil defense and the state government and other public institutions.Also, freshwater. There is a freshwater supply crisis in the state. This has been a constant effort. Providing also chemical toilets and logistics, lending our helicopters to transport food, and also vessels that work for our Environmental Defense Center that have been made available to the civil defense of the state to rescue the victims.And very briefly, our Alberto Pasqualini refinery has been operating, catering to the fuel demands. It's extremely important to the state. We've been demanded by the national operator of the electric system, ONS, that we should start dispatching electricity from the thermal power plant of Canoas. So the company has been making every effort, and not only being solidary, but also making every effort to keep its assets intact and working. We know that they are required right now for the population and also for the recovery of the state.Here we see information, some corporate highlights, an important part of our businesses to give support to all of our departments. So this shows not only the recruitment and selection process that we've been working on this year, we've been hiring new employees. And along with that, we're also launching our biggest call for the Young Apprentices Program, with over 1,000 positions open. We're also working with many of these apprentices that have been formally hired with all of the formal benefits. A few others are also being formally trained.And we're also setting aside some positions for people with disabilities. And that is important not only for us to have a close relationship with the universities and the technology institutes, but also to develop the Petrobras brand as a major employing brand in Brazil. And obviously, throughout this process at Petrobras, every worker that is hired goes through a very solid onboarding process in the first quarter. Over 700 new employees were hired and onboarded at the company, and they're now going through their formal training processes.I can't fail to mention that the Petrobras Board has been investing in initiatives to encourage the increase of diversity among the company's leaders. Our leaders are comprised 17% of women, and most of them are working on shifts and go on hitches. We've also been investing on male workers for those positions, but we've been investing on females for the leadership positions.Also, I want to talk about a recently launched project that has a huge impact on Brazil in our areas of operation, which is our Autonomy and Income Program, that's offering 20,000 positions for professional training courses for people in a situation of social vulnerability, without a formal employment relationship. And of course, this program is integrated with our 2024 to 2028 strategic planning projects and it intends to train the workforce, since our '24-'28 period will require lots of downtimes and that requires a qualified workforce.Also, I should mention that our investors and market analysts are aware of this global mental health problem inside companies. We were just awarded the U.N. Award. Mind in focus -- in one year, we've engaged with almost 6,000 leaders of the company and we've given them formal training across all areas to try not only to identify mental health issues, but also to deal with them inside the company.We also launched the human rights and corporate citizenship supplement, and it highlights all of the progress that we've made so far in this regard. It poses a huge challenge and that we have to be well positioned in terms of human rights by 2030. And that's a challenge not only to the corporate social responsibility areas, but also each and every department.And with that, I'm sure you're eager to listen to him. I'll give the floor to Sergio Leite, Chief Financial and Investor Relations Officer. He will speak about the financial highlights. Thank you for your attention.

[Sergio Leite, executive]

Thank you, Clarice. Good morning, everybody. We are solidary with our brothers and sisters from the south of Brazil in such difficult times.In terms of our results for the first quarter, I want to highlight a few operational aspects. In Buzios, we reached a production of 1 billion barrels of oil. 2P, 15 years of operation of our largest field with the production of 2.6 billion BOEs. And additionally, several of our units are now undergoing a ramp-up process, of which I should mention the FBSOs Almirante Barroso, P-71, Anna Nery, Anita Garibaldi and Sepetiba.And for the second half of 2024, Marechal Duque de Caxias will start production. It's a very important unit that will add 180,000 barrels of oil per day and 12 million cubic meters of gas. It's an important asset that's located in the Mero field.Also, speaking about the impacts on our quarterly results, the E&P team adopted the strategy to induce important downtimes in the first quarter. And never before in the history of the company have we had a first quarter that's been better than the fourth of the previous year. So it's just natural that this is a slower quarter. And in that regard, the team decided to introduce important downtimes in production. And the impact of that vis-a-vis the first quarter of 2023 is twice as high. These downtimes have produced a relevant impact on production. In spite of that, if we compare the first quarter of 2024 with that of 2023, our production grew by 3%.The refinery farms have been delivering high utilization rates at 92%. We've delivered utilization factors that were significant in 2023 in refineries for Replan and Repar. And even with the downtimes, we've delivered high productions of aviation fuel and lubricants and 92 kbpd for jet fuel and 11 for lubricants, even higher than 2020 and 2019. The production of oil products is concentrated in high-value products. The participation -- the share of diesel, gasoline and jet fuel in total production is 67%, which is very important for the entire company.The refinery farms -- we should also highlight the efficiency and energy transition. Our numbers have improved in these areas as well. Pre-salt oil processing has reached a new record of 2 percentage points above those of the fourth quarter. That's very important for logistics in that it gives us flexibility and allows for gains of scale. R5 diesel, it's a co-processed Petrobras product that started being produced and it started being distributed over highways and roads, and the first refinery started distributing it into the system.Another highlight is our energy transition area. Petrobras has posted a reduction in emissions of 55%. So it was an expressive amount. Another important piece of data, from 2015 until now, we reduced our greenhouse gas emissions by 40%. So this is a transition that is affecting the entire company. In order to have a reduction of this level, we had to go through changes in the RP area and downstream. We also saw a reduction in the amount of CO2 produced per barrel. So this transition area will definitely have some more news in the future, but it is going very well. It's a great area at Petrobras that is doing very well. It's close to innovation, and that's one of our main qualities.We've talked about HISEP, a system that is on the ocean floor injecting gas. And this was only possible with Petrobras technology due to the constant investments we've made into technology. We have $3.6 billion in our RP, nearly $1 billion a year on average. And most of this investment, at least in the last few years, have been focusing on energy transition. It was this kind of investment, it was this drive for innovation that allowed us to have these results in Pre-Salt. It's a very important area at Petrobras, and we're always seeking innovation and technology.Looking at our financial highlights, we've seen many of them during our CEO's video, but these are some important highlights. Our adjusted EBITDA was $12.1 billion, the eighth highest in the company's history, nearly BRL 60 billion; $9.4 billion operational cash flow, which is about BRL 46.5 billion; net income at $4.8 billion, close to BRL 23.7 billion. And later on, we're going to go over some of these values. We did see an impact from foreign exchange affecting us by about $2 billion or BRL 11 billion in our net income, but still it was significant. Free cash flow was $6.5 billion or BRL 32.4 billion, and taxes paid were BRL 68.2 billion.So our company has been growing. But besides these expressive figures, Petrobras is starting to see its operations through indexes, which often translate the company's efficiency and the space that we have to grow in generating value for our shareholders. We consider that the company's share values is still short of what it should be if we look at the company's value over the proved reserve. And that's very important, measuring the value of oil and gas companies around the world. If we look at the enterprise value, the company value and the proved reserve, majors grew 3.2% from 22.2% to 22.9%. And this was all in the first quarter of 2024.If we look at Petrobras comparing quarter-to-quarter, we're growing 10x that amount. So in this index, enterprise value to proved reserve, we grew 3.3% -- excuse me, 33.3%, which is 10x what we see in the majors' average. So not only did we grow a lot, but we still have a lot to add. We also had a case considering enterprise value to EBITDA. So majors grew 48.5% and Petrobras 75%.We were expressive in providing shareholder value. Considering PN ADRs, in 12 months, March to March, we had a TSR of 107.3% in U.S. dollars. In ordinary shares, it was close to 84% or 83.9%. So not only are we providing added value, but we are providing it on the middle and long term. If we consider 10 years, our average major values dropped 5%. But Petrobras -- excuse me, majors had a 5%, but Petrobras grew 22% despite all of the variations we saw. So that's very important for institutional investors, pension funds, long-term funds and investors who want their resources safe on the long run. And we're dealing with an adverse external environment during the first quarter.You can see some of the highlights here on the screen, but I'd like to draw your attention to something that is very important, the crack spread for diesel. So the margin between the value of the barrel and how much it is sold. If we look at it on a quarterly basis, it went down 26%. So again, this is a refined product that is the most significant for our revenue, diesel, and it had a margin reduction of 26%. From the fourth quarter of '23 to the first quarter of '24, it reduced by 14%, which impacts not only Petrobras, but all majors. It's important to keep this variation in mind.As we said, we have been affected by seasonality from the fourth quarter to the first. It's easy to understand, because in the fourth quarter, you have a harvest, cargo movements due to the holiday season. It's a growing curve from the first to the fourth quarter. But we didn't see a significant reduction in the first quarter. Again, in our history, we never had a first quarter that sold more in fuel than the previous fourth quarter. So this is normal behavior. However, we did see some factors impacting sales besides the seasonal factors. So a higher production of ethanol in the case of gasoline. So this pressured our sales and made some drivers choose ethanol.In the case of diesel, we also were pressured by an increased mandate in diesel usage. And although some refineries were stopped, we still were able to post a cash generation of USD 9.4 billion. And this is also important. Our free cash flow was $6.5 billion. All the resources generated in our cash during the first quarter allowed us to satisfy our needs and have some leftover at the end. So the company is still healthy, robust, and is still posting significant profits.Now let's look at our financial debt. Our gross debt is going down and our financial debt is going down as well. We have the lowest financing debt at Petrobras since 2010. That's the lowest financing debt we've had in the company. And the total gross debt is also going down.Next slide, please. Here we see our net profit. As I said, it was impacted by a currency devaluation. Our net profit was $4.8 billion in the first quarter. If we compare the fourth quarter of '23 to the first of '24, it was a 16% reduction. But if we compare it to the first quarter of 2023, the reduction was slightly lower. But the reduction reflects currency devaluation, meaning that dollar prices were lower during the end of the quarter.Petrobras has increased its contribution to society. 66% of its cash generation is returned to society as dividends to controlling shareholders, as government participations and taxes at all levels. So this is a significant highlight for the company as well.We approved a payout of $13.45 billion. The company is actually generating $14.6 billion in dividends when we apply the formula to ordinary dividends. $1.15 billion is deducted from our buyback program, which is a very successful program. On average, they deliver 70% of what was programmed and we're at 86% of what is scheduled. This buyback program, as you know, is included in the shareholder remuneration policy and should end at the end of August. It started with a buyback proposal of 157 million preferred shares. So this is a way of remunerating our shareholders and out of the total that was approved, in dividends and interest on owned capital, we're going to pay BRL 13.45 billion deducted from that 11.15 used for distribution. So our long-term investment theory is still being upheld.The first quarter was impacted by some strategic decisions with maintenance downtime in some of the refinery parks. They had -- we had fewer of them during the last term, but now we're doing them again. We had higher utilization rates last year, so it required more maintenance downtime. So we had twice as much of an impact in January from this. The production curve that we presented in our strategic plan will be maintained though, meaning that we're going to recover production levels. Next quarter, we're still going to have some downtime, but we will gradually return to our previous production level. We hope to achieve that curve as we presented in our strategic plan.Now I'll give the floor to Carlos Trevazos, and he'll talk about our investments.

[Carlos Jose do Travassos, executive]

Thank you, Sergio. Good morning, everybody. I'll give you a short update of a few investments that are scheduled to start operating in 2024-2025, starting with the upstream segment. The first unit is scheduled to start operations in 2024, Duque de Caxias in the Mero field, adding 180,000 barrels of oil per day, as was said before. And this project, once it's been implemented, will increase the Mero capacity of production to 500,000 barrels of oil per day.This unit will receive the ISEP that's scheduled to start operating in the second half of 2028. We're now going through the technical details phase, according to the contract that we entered into in December last year. Now talking about the units that will start operating next year in chronological order, the first one is Maria Quiteria that left the shipyard on the 6th, and it's on its way to Brazil with a production capacity of 100,000 barrels of oil per day with a gas compression capacity of 5 million cubic meters per day. This unit will incorporate the combined cycle technology, being the first offshore production unit of Petrobras to combine the 2 cycles, which will increase the efficiency and consequently will reduce the emissions of the unit.Speaking of the next units, Buzio 7, the Almirante Tamandare FPSO that completed the installation of the modules on the deck of the unit and is now in the integration phase. It is scheduled to depart from the shipyard on the second half of 2024 and will start operating in 2025. Alexandre de Gusmao, the FPSO, is now at the final stage where it's lifting the modules, and it's the fourth unit to enter the Mero field. And the last one, P-78, that's already in Singapore for the lifting stage. I just heard that they received the last modules yesterday. Modules built in Brazil, they're at the shipyard and are ready to be lifted. And once the lifting phase has started, we will then initiate the integration of the unit that's scheduled to start operating in the last quarter of next year.Now, talking about our investments in downstream, I'll start with RNEST. The first one is SNOX. Our emission reduction unit that will increase the capacity of the refinery at 27,000 barrels of oil per day. And it will start operating in the second quarter of 2024. And the refinery capacity will be increased by 15,000. We're calling it the revamp of Train 1. We're now manufacturing equipment and doing inspections and all that. And also, we are now with the auction of Train 2 extension. We received the proposals in March, and we're now assessing the proposals and negotiating with the stakeholders.And now, talking about Route 3, now it's moving towards its final stage, and it's scheduled to start operating in the second half of 2024. We will start the reverse pressurization operation, as we call it. We will pressurize from the inland segment to the offshore segment, the onshore to offshore segments. And we are also building a unit to start manufacturing lubricating oil with the production capacity of 12,000 barrels of lube oil per day. In the same process, we have the HCC and HDT units for the production of S10 diesel and jet fuel.Now, about our PBC, we are now closing the blowdown system, providing relief to the lube valves and also for the coke production units. That's scheduled for 2024, and that's an environmental condition that we are meeting. We are also increasing our tankage capacity for a diesel S10 in Goias in the Canedo Senador Terminal in Goiania. And lastly, our hydrotreatment project at REPLAN, adding a production capacity of 63,000 barrels per day. This is a summary of our infrastructure investments.And with that, I'll give the floor back to Sergio.

[Sergio Leite, executive]

Thank you, Travassos. So that was the end of our presentation. We'll now start the Q&A session. And before that, I'd like to highlight a few important aspects of our performance for the first quarter. Firstly, we've delivered consistent results that were impacted by external aspects, the Brent price and the FX variation. These are the biggest external factors.In refined products produced from oil, we've already gone over the external factors that impacted it, but the results were consistent with our plans, reflecting the well-thought-out management decisions to deliver our results. So the results are consistent, the trajectory is in line with our plans, the numbers and results are very significant for the first quarter. And certainly, Petrobras is among the two biggest producers of results for its investors in the world.And we're on a growth trajectory with positive results to be added in the near future, as the figures show. Our investment proposition at Petrobras is for the medium and long term, and that's worth mentioning. So we are above average as investors in the oil and gas industry. That's an indication of our belief in the future and resilience. And this has been producing expressive results for investors. The ADRs of 84%, 107 for TSRs in dollar. The EBITDA grew by 75% with financial discipline and debt control, and above all, placing all our bets on people.Now let's start the Q&A session.

[Operator]

The first one comes from Bruno Montanari from Morgan Stanley.

[Bruno Montanari, analyst]

My first question goes to Sergio. It's concerning payments to shareholders. If we think about potential additional distributions of the profits that were retained in 2023, how can we think about a timeline for the distribution of these assets, assuming that the cash generation keeps strong and the levels are maintained at the current levels? Does it make sense to think that additional distributions could occur along with the results of the second or third quarter of 2024, or would that only happen at the end of the year?And the second question is about the fuel prices. If I'm not mistaken, it's been almost 7 months since there was an adjustment to fuel prices, both gasoline and diesel. The market is quite volatile, but it's been maintaining the price in the range of $80 per barrel. How do you see this market behavior considering its methodology, RAC and VM?

[Sergio Leite, executive]

I'll try to be brief. Concerning the extraordinary dividends from fiscal year 2023, what the General Assembly decided is that 50% should be paid and that by the end of fiscal year 2024 that we would then reassess the outstanding balance in the account. We didn't set a date, as you know, but Petrobras delivers monthly outlooks to the Board and in every meeting, we go over these outlooks and the profit distribution. So I would say that this could happen sometime along this year or next year. There's no preset date, either the first, the second, the fourth, or before the end of the year.The only date that we've set so far is that it will be reassessed within this fiscal year. And as you know, the resources in the account will be allocated to the payment of dividends. And the Board keeps on reviewing the situation constantly. We are now amidst an international crisis making for a very volatile situation with surprises along the way. And the surprises are not impacting only the barrel price. As we know, the latest occurrence led to changes to shipping prices and shipping routes. So this is an obscure scenario that the council keeps on reviewing on an ongoing basis. But as I said, there is no set date for the distribution.Picking up on that and speaking about prices since they're related, our commercial strategy is now completing its first anniversary. And Director Schlosser is the parent of this strategy, so to speak. The business strategy, and it's important to highlight that it is a business strategy and not a price policy, even though it also talks about prices. But it also talks about other aspects such as supply and risks of shortage of supply, auctions, reviewing the quantities purchased by our main customers.So it is a strategy that covers several different aspects differently from what used to occur in the past where Petrobras used to have a pricing strategy. But this new strategy has created, as you probably all know, a minimum or marginal price at which we should sell our fuels and the customer's alternative price. To simplify things, the marginal price is the price at which Petrobras will stop negotiating. Below these amounts, the company is not interested in negotiating. And of course, these amounts include margins for dividends, for investments. But the marginal prices are the prices below which Petrobras will no longer be interested in negotiating.On the other end, you have the customer alternative price, which is the price above which customers are no longer interested in negotiating or buying, for that matter. But some people used to say, well, the customer alternative price is not what we call the PP. No, it's not. The customer alternative price gives us certainty that the supply will be enough. Petrobras has a huge capacity to deliver fuels anywhere in Brazil. And oftentimes, customers will prefer to pay prices above the PPE and to make sure that they will maintain their fuel supply. So the customer alternative price encompasses the marginal price of the last drop at the end of the chain, the price above which customers will stop negotiating.What I'd like to remind you is that a significant part of the diesel cost is impacting the market. In some centers like Paranagua, Parana and Santos, then definitely the alternative cost will be affected by these prices. So we still haven't seen a structural change, a variation between VM and CAC. We see that oil is at 83, at 87. It's been close to 88 for an entire week. And then it was at 83 to 84 for 2 weeks. So imagine if we had done this, we would have transferred a lot of volatility to our clients. And that's terrible for our inventory management and logistics management. At the current price, Petrobras is still able to make a profit in good market conditions, and we're keeping our eye on the market. We need to see if there are going to be any structural changes that require a change to the price. I hope I answered that question well because Director Schlosser is the person who knows about these things.

[Claudio Schlosser, executive]

Let me just add something here. First, I'd like to just give my condolences to my fellow citizens of Rio Grande do Sul. As was said, the most important thing is to make sure that they have a supply of byproducts because I know that they are essential for the calamity there. And we're also getting prepared to rebuild the state. We know that there will be high demands for asphalt in the future, so we're all working on that.So just to comment on what Sergio said, thank you for your question, Bruno. As you said, it's been seven months since we readjusted prices, and the last ones were readjustments to gasoline prices in October, a reduction, and diesel prices also went down in December. What we have seen is due to global factors and geopolitical tensions due to the war in Ukraine and in the Middle East, we have been seeing an effect in our production and logistical costs to sell oil and oil byproducts.To give you an idea, and Sergio has mentioned this, it's great to have a financial director that understands the commercial strategies so well. So I was happy with what Sergio said. But just to give you an example, if we look at Brent, in April it reached $93. And now it's at $83, $84 and even below that. So, as you said very well, Bruno, yes, apparently there is some support for these $80. And this may have happened in a couple of ways, either being generated by increased tension from one of the parties or due to cuts in production. So this also seems to be a support price.You mentioned the commercial strategy, and Sergio mentioned that as well. And alternative costs for the client, which is not only importation data, but it might -- there are substitutes in the market. If we look at gasoline, we have substitutes like ethanol, Sergio mentioned Russian diesel that has also gone into the market. And another relevant factor in commercial strategy is to not pass on market volatility from the international market to our domestic clients.So our commercial strategy has been very successful at doing that. And this has allowed us to continue with a successful strategy by introducing the marginal value that you mentioned, Bruno, which shows the alternatives that Petrobras has. It allows us to compete much more. It gives us the flexibility to be profitable while we're competing. And our vision is to be the best alternative for the client, not only on the short term, but also on the long term.So in some moments where you have some lower alternative prices for clients, we have the possibility of competing because we have the infrastructure. We have good installations, and that's a great factor to execute our commercial strategy. Thank you for your question. And another thing that I can add is that REPAR and REPLAN downtimes were very successful. And now as we're going back to our operations, this also makes us much more competitive because of this reduction in the marginal value. So thank you for your question once again.

[Operator]

The next question will be asked by Luiz Carvalho from UBS.

[Luiz Carvalho, analyst]

Sergio, my question is for you. Your '24 to '28 strategic plan brought some changes in some of the areas of the company's strategies, especially looking at the investment levels. I know that it might be early, but if we look on a 4 to 5-year horizon, Petrobras is focusing more on energy transition. So are we expecting any structural changes besides this energy transition in the current plan? And if we can look at this current plan, if you could, after 6 months, give us an assessment of how discussions have been going for implementation, how have conversations around acquisitions and renewable assets been going? So that's my first question about your strategic plan, looking ahead and also analyzing the last few months.My next question is about internationalization. You've always been very vocal, and some assets have been found recently in the Atlantic Basin. We've heard some in the media. And we have some expertise on our side as well. So I'd just like to understand what is your analysis process for these upstream assets in other countries? Are we focusing on exploration, or is there farm in production development? You have many partners where you're operators. So do you want to be, or do you accept being operators or nonoperators in these investments outside of Brazil?

[Sergio Leite, executive]

Since these are questions that require a longer answer, I'm going to propose this. I'm going to introduce, I'm going to address your 2 questions briefly, and then I'll let Mauricio Tolmasquim talk about transition. About internationalization, I'll let Joelson, our Director, answer.First of all, Luis, I don't know if you saw in our webcast that we saw some indexes. This was a suggestion from another webcast. It was suggested that we work on our indexes. It was made by a certain analyst, and I hope you liked it.So let's start with CapEx. We delivered a PE with confirmed CapEx and a CapEx under analysis. This one is based on the transition, and there's a reason why. Our Board was organized last year with Mauricio Tolmasquim. He's been organizing his team, understanding the company. So if you think about it, he had 6 months last year and this year, and it was a peculiar task, having an energy transition area in a company as big as Petrobras. So since it's a new topic, at least, at this extent in the company, that's why most of the transition investments have been in the analysis CapEx. And for that, we defined an additional governance where we look at financial ability, impact, and as projects mature, they move from analysis CapEx to confirmed CapEx.During these 6 months last year and the first 3 months of the year, our energy transition area analyzed a huge portfolio of projects. So if you work at a bank, how long it takes to analyze an investment possibility, right? You need to look at the case. And with the thing, we had to filter a number of projects. We reduced it to a number of projects on the table, and several of them, we have NDAs. Or confidentiality agreements, which are very restricted. So we can't mention names or values. The ones we can will be mentioned, but most of them are under this NDA.So we hope that for the next months, we can shed more light on what projects we're referring to. We consider our area to be very positive. We have the acquisition area, but as I said, we've been presenting very important decarbonization results. So 41% reduction in the company. That's a significant feat. In the last years, we've reduced our emissions with the technology we've been using in the field. And we have to highlight something here. Petrobras has won for the fifth time in OTC. What's curious about this is that two of these awards are in the Marlin field. The first was 32 years ago. So it shows how consistent we have been in improving the company's investments.But looking at transition again, this is an area that has made the company very optimistic about the future. Everyone knows that in the marketplace, everyone knows that in the market, people were not happy with this investment. At Petrobras, we have some pillars, and we know that we need to have the right dimension because Petrobras is a big company. We need to have partners of the same level because there's compliance, there's corporate security and that requires partners of that size. And projects need to be done in a partnership. So we're very happy. And we believe that in the next months, we can give you more information on these projects.We've published so many things that I don't even remember. MOUs, green hydrogen plants. But in the case of internationalization for IP, specifically, you're right. It would be in the Atlantic Basin. This is an area that the company understands very well. And this area is probably the most competitive one, where competition is fierce. So we need to be confidential about our strategies. But if we want to be operators or not, or what assets, I'll leave up to our Director. But let's start with Mauricio, who will add to that answer.

[Mauricio Tolmasquim, executive]

In terms of energy transition, as Sergio was saying, well, it is a new subject. And in addition to the entire team, we've had to set up the governance strategy to make sure that investments in energy transition are robust and aligned with the aggregation of value to the company. Of course, our intention is to add value to Petrobras, just like every other department does. When we announced the creation, that had a huge impact. And we were positively flooded with offers from banks and investors. To give you an idea, the total installed capacity for wind is 30 gigawatts and for solar, another 30 gigawatts.If we talk about the projects that were offered by banks and investors, then our full installed capacity in Brazil is 76 gigawatts. And that led to a question from the Board when they asked us, how do we select that? We have a huge capacity of 76 gigawatts. And, of course, our goal is 5 gigawatts in a 5-year period. And there are small and large and committed and not so committed companies. And we are a public company, a publicly traded company, so our criteria for negotiating and making decisions have to be really strict. That's how we came up with standards by which to categorize companies in terms of rating and investment expertise and all that. And we then deepened these analyses, which is fundamental if we want to make sure that the partners selected are really aligned with our commitment standards. So why are we talking about partnerships in wind and solar?Well, we're talking about partnerships because it's not an industry where Petrobras traditionally operates, and we consider that in the beginning it would be beneficial for us to share experiences and CapEx and whatnot with these partners. So we're making progress in these analyses. We've presented several possibilities to the Board. Some of these possibilities were negotiated. Some others were not mature enough and we disconsidered, and others are advancing in terms of governance. And we have to understand that we cannot disclose who we're analyzing these proposals with, and we cannot disclose any deadlines either. Of course, that leads to a certain unrest in the market because you would like to know that. But we cannot, unfortunately, disclose this information.I just want to reassure you, though, that this has been going well in terms of M&A. And as you know very well, we're looking at portfolios with partners. Some partners have more mature projects that are in operation. Some projects are in the development stage and some greenfield projects. So when we negotiate these portfolios, all of these different projects will come with it.And in parallel to that, we're also looking into some other possibilities of organic developments, most of them being led by Director William as they encompass biofuels, which are an important part of Petrobras' energy transition. And there are other less mature areas that are very promising, though, which is hydrogen and carbon capture or CCUS that -- and also offshore wind. However, there are not yet as mature as onshore solar, wind and biofuels. I hope I've answered your question.

[Joelson Mendes, executive]

Good afternoon, Luiz and colleagues. I'm Joelson from the exploration department. Luiz, I'll try to answer your question, which is a very interesting one. You asked us what the process of analyzing opportunities is like. Well, we spent a few years not involved with these processes. And now having said that, we need to rebuild our databases.New wells are being drilled and new seismic studies are being done. So we're now in the process of rebuilding our database for seismic and wells. And our teams, both in exploration and portfolio management, they are in constant contact with our main shareholders. So the opportunities that we analyze on average, they all involve our main partners. We also receive proposals from other companies. We only negotiate with holders of rights. We've done dozens of studies in the last few years. And one opportunity that was selected has become a concrete endeavor in Saint Thomas and Prince.And there are several other opportunities that are reasonably mature that are now undergoing our analysis process by our technical staff. Some of them have already moved from the technical staff to the management. And eventually, they might be submitted to the administration council to go to any new country.Of course, we need the authorization of the Administration Board. We've been talking to Board members, and we've been telling them about why we should go international in addition to the big opportunities that you mentioned and discoveries in the Atlantic. This interaction with other big players is extremely positive. It's happening in areas where we already have expertise. We have a huge expertise in deep and ultra-deep waters, but there is always something to learn. And sharing risks -- business risks, exploration risks, financial risks with other players is also beneficial for us.So we are quite happy with the interactions that we've been having. And as we mentioned, this data is confidential. But since you talked about the process, well, this is what the process looks like. The process is born in the technical departments from the proposals that they receive and also from the opportunities.Now, once they know about the status of the other countries, they come up with proposals to the partners. So both in areas where we already produce and in areas where we are at the exploration phase, we are making progress in the analysis of data. So the process starts with the increase of our database, technical and administrative analysis and submission to the decision makers.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Pedro Soares from BTG Pactual.

[Pedro Soares, analyst]

My question goes to Joelson. It's about production. In the first quarter, it was marginally above the expected average for the entire year in spite of all the downtimes, as you mentioned during the presentation. I'd like to hear from you if you're positively surprised with the production level reached thus far. If it's possible to say that with the perspective of normalizing the production in the next 2 quarters, if it's safe to say that the production level will be above that of the level preestablished in your guides?And the second question goes to Sergio about the CapEx. We saw that the investment level of the first quarter was below what we usually see, even if you consider that the first quarter is usually lower than the other quarters. So I'd like to hear your take on the delays that led to that. And also, if you see any risks that these numbers might be lower than those indicated in the business plan for 2024.

[Joelson Mendes, executive]

Well, we are optimistic, but we can't say that we are going to deliver production higher than what we had planned. The production for the first quarter and what has occurred in April is quite in line with what we had planned. There's also the natural complexities of dozens of production systems, some of them in new, some of them in older fields at different efficiency levels, and also with wells with different maintenance requirements.We talk about the maintenance of rigs, but we also have to do maintenance on the wells. So there's other factors that may push our production up or down. We published the production guidance for 2024 and 2025 with levels similar to those of 2023. And we can explain that with the new wells and with the decline in production and the several different efficiency systems. We do a very accurate risk analysis of our production curve, as we always like to say. So yes, we are optimistic that we are going to maintain the same levels of 2023 for 2024 and 2025.Slight variations, 2% either up or down, are natural. And the chances that we are going to remain within that range is -- are huge. You didn't ask that, but I'd like to mention this. We are seeing things happen at IBAMA that will or may affect our production. It may be affected by 2% depending on what will happen with the licensing of new wells and new rigs arriving, things that naturally occur and that cause an impact.So all of that is within the so-called risk tunnel. And we will probably deliver a production at the end of the year that's highly aligned with our initial plans, much to the pleasure of our Financial Director that is able to plan our accounts very well.

[Sergio Leite, executive]

And like I did with the previous one, I'll give you a brief introduction, and then I'll give the floor to Director Travassos, the Engineering and Technology Director that's in charge of the implementation of the projects.Last year, we published a plan of $102 billion, BRL 0.5 trillion in investments, the biggest campaign. And we're above the average of our peers. And when you invest that kind of amounts, deviations can also occur in expressive amounts. And when we thought about this plan, we also devised a methodology to monitor the deviations from the actual and -- between the actual and the planned deviations. We will probably start monitoring that on a monthly basis. And we try to understand the root causes.Last year, for instance, our CapEx -- our actual CapEx was below the planned one. This is often seen as an inefficiency. Over 50% of what was not done, so nearly 1 billion, is due to good boring contracts. So we would need to extend contracts for these probes, making them more reliable with fees within market levels. And as a consequence, this would require fewer investments from the company in the last quarter, especially the last quarter at the end of the year.So an efficiency movement in this case created a lower CapEx for the last quarter. So this was very striking for our management because Petrobras is usually judged by the amount of investments it makes. But we shouldn't just invest on everything. That's not discipline in capital. Whenever you can reach the same goals or even higher goals that are more in line with what you need and investing less, that's efficiency, and that's what happened at the end of last year.Despite that, as you know, supply chain is pressured around the world. It's dealing with trouble, keeping up with the demand, some challenges in liquidity in some cases. We have huge projects that require liquidity, financing structure. We have a support program for small and medium investors. So we need to reduce this gap and try to help our suppliers. We need them.Similarly to other oil companies in the world, this financing program is taken very seriously here. And we can go into details about that in another opportunity. But yes, as Joelson said, we're investing a lot and very quickly, and sometimes suppliers have trouble keeping up with our pace.It's important to say that lower investments don't mean that we are reducing our efficiency or our production curve. But to tell you about this in detail, I'm going to pass it over to Travassos, who is the person who runs this area in Petrobras.

[Carlos Jose do Travassos, executive]

It's important to look at the figures. When we compare to the first quarter of 2024, our investments were 23% higher than that, USD 3 billion for the first quarter of 2024. So 23% higher. And we continue to grow. For the next quarters, we also have the expectation of seeing higher investments in comparison to the previous year.But 2024 -- I mean, the plan for 2024 to '29 is significant. I mean we're the oil company that is investing the most with the 14 production systems that we announced. But when you look at the plan, especially on the short term, as I mentioned in my presentation, the 4 production -- or rather out of the 5 production systems that we have for this year and next year, we are absolutely in line with what was planned. So 1 in 2024 and 4 in 2025.But we do have challenges in CapEx. We have challenges related to environmental licensing. Joelson mentioned those. So we'll see some impact from the strike at IBAMA. We also have the probe index and some construction milestones for FPSOs.But just as we have a risk in our CapEx, we also see potential delays considered in our production curve. So the most important thing is what we're going to carry out. So we don't really see an impact to that in our strategical plan. We don't see an impact to our production curves. So that's a summary of what we have for our CapEx for 2024.

[Operator]

The next question will be asked by Lilyanna Yang from HSBC.We seem to be having an audio issue, so we will pass it over to Bruno Amorim from Goldman Sachs. We're going to pass it over to Gabriel Barra from Citibank.

[Gabriel Coelho Barra, analyst]

I'll stick to the 2-question limit. The first is, we heard some news this week and last week about Braskem. This is not the first time I'm asking this, but what I would like to understand is -- we've heard about this in some interviews. So I'd just like to understand, Sergio and Petro's team, a view on how you see Braskem -- this Braskem issue on a couple of points.First, looking at what was said, that potential purchase of the stake and sale, how would you absorb Braskem in Petrobras' balance and in dividends, because Braskem has a level of debt? And it might -- if we add it to Petrobras' debt, go above the 60 billion that we have as a cap. So how do you see that? Would there be any changes to the dividend policies? And also that strategy of buying Braskem, was that included in your current investment plan?My second point continues on a point that Sergio mentioned in his interview on the buyback plan. We know that Petrobras has already met this plan to a certain extent. And at the current pace, it seems to be closing before the deadline in August. So I'd just like to hear from Sergio what is your take on that, if this plan will be postponed? If you think that this buyback plan will be increased? So what do you think about buybacks in the company's investment theory?

[Sergio Leite, executive]

I'm going to answer that in reverse order. So first, I'll answer about the buyback plan and then I'll let William answer your question on Braskem. He is the Director of industrial processes. So he is in charge of that asset in the company.So starting with buyback. As you know, our aim was to rebuy 170 preferential shares. It was a pilot project, because there were several situations that we had to comply to. I mean, in this area, we are under Brazilian and U.S. legislation, SEC, SEC in Brazil. And Petrobras is the company that has the most communications to the market through material facts and any other communication methods. And whenever there's a buyback, this needs to be communicated. So we had a lot of experience there.So we never received any questions from the authorities or investors. So more than the value or amount, this pilot project is testing a number of things for the next stage. So we are concluding some impact studies. As I said, we have looked at 86% of the program, which is successful. On average, it's 70%. And we've purchased over 70 million preferred shares.Immediate results might seem like a lot, but it's not as much for Petrobras. It's a small amount. But it produced one of the effects that we wanted. We're getting closer to the major index on the buyback analysis. So little-by-little, we were able to be successful. All of these positive points will be in our report, which will be produced by the Board of Directors when we propose a new plan. These plans have dates. Whenever you have a plan at Petrobras, we have a starting and ending date. I mean you might end at before that date. But we have a date in August at the end of this plan. And then we will refer back to this report and give a proposal for a new share buyback plan, which will need to go through the company's internal committees, the executive directors and everyone else. And the end -- the final word will be by the Board.We see buyback as a complement to the value generation strategy and shareholder compensation strategy. And Petrobras is now coming closer and closer to the international standards. So yes, a proposal will be made. The deadline will end in August, and we'll propose a new buyback program that will have to go through this entire trajectory that I mentioned. And the Administrative Board will have decision-making power.About Braskem public information about its debt, that it's in the range of $6 million. And Petrobras owns around 47% of the company's stock. The model that is closest to Petrobras' preferred option is one of a co-management, where Petrobras is not a majority shareholder in the operation. And if we increase from 47% to 49% or 50%, the impact on the debt of the company is insignificant. It will be basically the same -- in the same range as it is today. So we don't have major concerns about that.And consequently, we wouldn't have any impacts on dividends. And it's important to highlight that Braskem's operations are part of the CapEx in the published plan. So it's a small part of it, but it is part of the CapEx under analysis. So it's within -- it's in line with our forecast. What we saw over the course of this entire process initiated with Braskem was a series of nonbinding proposals.Since the beginning -- since Petrobras has the tag-along rights or the rights to sell for the best price and also to offer counterproposals if it decides to, we decided to do a due diligence in governance with over 200 people ranging from the technical to the environmental department. Pretty exhaustive work.So the technical team went to each plant at Braskem in the U.S., in Brazil, in Mexico. Of course, we already had this close contact with Braskem as shareholders, but now we have a much clearer perspective of their situation and their potential developments. So about the technical aspects and all that, that is -- that will depend on the owner of the asset at Petrobras, and that's Director William.So as I said, it involves due diligence and a possible operation. We've been talking about a possible acquisition of Braskem's capital at 100%, a full acquisition of the company. And indeed, this is not the ideal scenario for Petrobras. This situation would only occur in case of extreme need, because it is a relevant asset and it's a basis for internationalizing the company's downstream.And as a reminder, Braskem is a leader in more than one resin in the U.S. market with an enviable position in Europe and with a brand-new terminal in Mexico. So for downstream and for the Department of Industrial Processes of Petrobras, it's an internationalization platform that's ready. So in case of an extreme risk, of course, we will not let that asset deteriorate.If and only if this extreme risk comes to pass, the business will be restructured financially to protect it from the impact of indebtedness at the company. This is not the time for us to talk about an increase in the indebtedness window. It's between $50 million and $60 million. And we will remain like that because there is no reason for us to increase it and also because it keeps us on the right path.Now I'll give the floor to William. He will talk about Braskem in greater depth.

[William da Silva, executive]

To reinforce what Director Sergio said, we did this due diligence at Braskem with over 50 specialists. We visited our plant in Germany and U.S., in Texas and Pennsylvania, in Mexico and the ethane terminal and the plants in Brazil. So it was a very thorough due diligence that gave us in-depth information about Braskem, including information about Maceio, with the participation of CENPES.So we are pretty sure about the operational integrity of Braskem. On average, it's pretty good. We should also highlight that we have great synergy. We are discussing the cracks and the synergy with the refining department, so that if we take over Braskem with a new partner, so that we can give a better structure to the operations.And one example of that is REDUC. It's a refinery that's adjacent to the [ GasChem ] hub. And we provide them with raw materials and we receive hydrogen from cracking operations. And we also have the possibility with ethanes and propanes that we can use for possible expansion of the chemical gas hub of Rio. So there are several possibilities. We've also been talking to our Logistics and Trading Director about establishing an optimized operation with a focus on the synergy between logistics and petrochemicals.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Regis Cardoso from XP.

[Regis Cardoso, analyst]

I'd like to understand the details of RLAM and specifically about the Mataripe refinery, a transaction that involves Petrobras going back to that refining unit. What are Petrobras' goals? Or what would they be? Is it important to have operational control or to focus on the trading aspects or pricing aspects? And maybe if we compare Mataripe with what Refap was in a distant past. I think Petrobras bought it back in 2007. Maybe to make a comparison between the models, if possible?And then a second question is about the renewables projects that are already mature. And we've talked about wind and solar onshore. And maybe we could talk about that in greater detail about which industries, which departments Petrobras intends to develop internally or establish partnerships.I mean, what are the possible instruments? For example, green renewable diesel that is -- that might be a basis for internal development. And on the other hand, onshore projects will occur through acquisition, probably a non-operated minority stake, and onshore wind, maybe the JV. So I'd like to hear you. And also, if you allow me, I'd like to pick up on the IBAMA subject. I'd like to hear if there's any medium and short-term impacts.

[Unknown Executive]

This involves all of us. So anyway, let's start with RLAM and the biofuels and the future synthetic, renewable fuels, I'd like to ask Director William for help and in terms of what you mentioned in terms of generation of renewables in onshore, et cetera, I'll ask Mauricio to answer your question and about IBAMA, I'll ask Joelson and Travassos to answer you.So starting with the RLAM acquisition process, well, at the end of 2023, we received a letter from this major fund that you all know well, inviting Petrobras to review 2 specific projects that are interconnected, but they're not mandatory and they are not self-excluding and one of them is RLAM, it's an iconic historical refinery -- the foundation of Petrobras was signed in Rio de Janeiro, but it works because it's from Bahia.Actually, Petrobras found oil in Bahia. Anyway, President Jean Paul, and that's something that we always discuss. He says that going back to an asset that once belongs to Petrobras is not only it doesn't simply involve press the button and going back to a reality that already existed, especially because the global scenario has changed, the world has changed and our businesses have changed.So going back to refineries, does not necessarily mean going back to something that already existed. It means reviewing an asset and answering a very important question, which is why should we go back to that refinery. What benefits are we going to extract from going back to that situation? What's in it for us?Of course, there is this emotional aspect, but we have to set emotions aside, sometimes and be more rational. So these aspects are now being looking to with a positive outlook, but we haven't completed the review yet. We are in the stage of doing due diligence for this business.Of course, we want to make progress as fast as possible. And in the due diligence, we have to analyze the business model, the possibilities. The refineries work jointly from an operational standpoint.And from a partnership perspective, they belong to Petroleo Brasileiro S.A. And what refines to -- or what happened to Repsol in the past, the fact that it didn't work, it gives us many lessons learned in terms of what to do, what not to do, but not obstacles.Of course, if based on previous failures, we were to decide our current situations, we won't be drive along the roads because all of us have crashed our cars before. Anyway, to answer your questions, why -- what's in it for us? Why should we go back to that refinery? That will also define the business model. There is no barriers right now. We will analyze the studies, like President Jean Paul said, we're trying to remain within schedule. And we're trying to complete these analysis by the end of the first half, at which point we'll have clarity about the proposals for this business.Of course, Petrobras is interested in it. It's a huge refinery, and it's not only about the refinery. It has several integrated assets in the entire region of Bahia terminals, pipelines, it's a huge complex. So of course, Petrobras is interested in it. And the other project is a project of biorefining, Macauba. It's an oleaginous plant with the purpose of offering aviation kerosene from a bio renewable source. And Petrobras has demands for that every day. And the market is eager to buy this field. So we're talking about something quite concrete, producing biofuel to supply a real market that's in need of this type of fuel.Quality is also being analyzed. This is a complex project. So quality is being analyzed. It will be integrated with refineries, but one doesn't exclude the other. So we might only down one of the projects or both or maybe neither. It's being analyzed. So these are very interesting products.And we believe that at the end of the first quarter, we'll be able to finish analyzing it without any issues with the business model. And passing it over to William, who's going to tell us about biorefineries. And then we'll hear from Tolmasquim and Travassos.

[William da Silva, executive]

That was a great question. So we are advancing in other areas. For example, biorefineries. As Sergio said, there's the possibility of biorefinery. The HEFA plant, [ ex-HSVO ] and SAF. In Bahia, we have 2 plants which are doing very well in a partnership with the Ultra Group and Braskem and Riograndense, which is a biorefinery that at the end of 2027 will begin its operations.And when it does, it will only process renewable raw materials because it's a small refinery, 16,000 barrels. And normally HEFA plants are at that site. In there, you have access to markets in Argentina and Uruguay. So for example, soybean oil, canola. And the port of Rio Grande is very close, and that really helps with cabotage of exports. So that's Phase 1 -- excuse, we're at Phase 2. So we're going to have HEFA and [ HDTT ], and we'll produce basically diesel and SAF.This year, we're also having a second test to sell green FCC, where we'll process plant-based oils to produce CO2 and hydrogen. And that's the unit that basically produces green gasoline and naphtha and even BTX. That's the second stage of the project. We'll use CO2 and hydrogen and combine it with hydrogen to produce methanol. So this project is very advanced at Riograndense.We also have a neutral carbon project. This is at Phase 0. And this is Tolmasquim's area. And at LUBNOR, we hope to adapt our lubricant plant there to neutral carbon and use green hydrogen and biomethane in using natural gas. Besides that -- and I think Tolmasquim will be able to add to this answer -- we have several initiatives and partnerships for [ Alk 2 ] jet and other kinds of technologies along the same line, as you said. So it's much broader. So I'll pass it over to Tolmasquim.

[Mauricio Tolmasquim, executive]

So adding to what was said in terms of business model. So M&A, soil and onshore. In all areas, we can use organic investments. So for example, in [ CCOS ] -- so for example, we have saline areas close to land. So we provide services there, and Petrobras is very competent at doing that. So it would make sense that it would be an operator and have CapEx there. If there are other investors interested in it, of course, that doesn't rule out that possibility.In terms of offshore wind, we've announced several projects -- so we don't necessarily need to be the operator, and we also have some projects with Equinor. So green hydrogen -- we are looking at plants, demo plants in the Northeast and Southeast. So we have an R&D reserve by ourselves. And in terms of investment, we're looking at a few partnerships, but nothing really is preventing us from doing it by ourselves. Petrobras has that skill. We are the biggest producer or consumer of gray hydrogen. So there's no mystery there in producing green hydrogen if we have to as well.Concerning the e-methanol, we're starting new partnership with a European company in the Northeast. And the biggest advantage of doing it with them is that they have tried the technology and they also have a PPA with a major consumer. We're looking at biomethane as well and in that area, we will probably be off takers. These are distributed investments. So we hope to buy biomethane and put it in our gas pipeline in a certain percentage and transported or consume and obtain a certificate as an equivalent of decarbonization and then use it in one of our refineries to produce some renewable product.We also have biofuel and most of them will be operators, and they are a major investors. So we've mentioned co-processing, REPAR, REPLAN and REDUC, and we also have HVO and others. So I would say that besides onshore, we will probably not be an operator.With all others, Petrobras would want to operate. But if we have a partnership or not, I mean if we have investors who want to share that CapEx, then, of course, we are open to analyzing that.

[Joelson Mendes, executive]

Sergio, I could add some information here about IBAMA. I was asked about the impacts of that IBAMA strike. But we're not expecting to be impacted in any major projects. We can prioritize some activities with IBAMA, but we have been impacted in some areas in an isolated area. So we can have an impact to the magnitude of 2% of our yearly production if the situation continues.

[Unknown Executive]

Okay. I'll add some information to what Joelson said. Recently, we were authorized by IBAMA to install Maria Quiteria. This was a meeting that was led by Maria [ Clarice ]. And what we're doing is we're prioritizing some areas. We have an open line of conversation with IBAMA.Like I said, we're finishing the pre-installation and the anchoring line in Duque de Caxias. And in Maria Quiteria, we also have the authorization to begin. This is the one that just left the Chinese shipyard. So, well drilling, some seismic activities. Sometimes we need licenses and approval from authorities. But as I showed in my presentation, we have 5 production systems coming into line between 2024 and 2025, and none of them will be impacted by this change in IBAMA.

[Operator]

We're going to have to continue with the last question from Rodolfo Angele from JPMorgan.

[Rodolfo De Angele, analyst]

My first question is, I just want to refer back to extraordinary dividends. In the last quarter, we discussed that decision from the Board to not pay out extraordinary dividends, but that was reversed. So I don't know, Sergio, if you could tell us a little bit about what this process was like? What's changed and what we should expect for the future? If we should retire that account or what should we expect for the future?And my second question is, we've been talking about the production curve, and this is something that investors have asked us about. Depletion rates at Petrobras for the next year. So can you tell us a little bit more about what you expect specifically pre- and post-salt. And the question comes from the fact that some fields -- well, there are many FPSOs that are new and some spectacular ones like Buzios.So what should we expect -- it should be lower than average, right? Or at least have a risk of being lower than the historical level. So if you can tell us about that, then we can break for lunch?

[Sergio Leite, executive]

It's great to hear from you. That's a very relevant information. Rodolfo is not only one of the -- journalists have been covering Petrobras for the longest time, but he's also a great musician. He plays the drums, the guitar. So you can ask him to share pictures and videos. It's really worth it. But I'll share this answer with you also Travassos starting with dividends.So Rodolfo, you asked about the future of extraordinary dividends and our reserve utilization. Well, since the reserve was created, many doubts appeared. We sent to CA this communication of the reserve, and that's a request from 2019. So this was made by the previous administrators. And it follows a practice that 8 out of the 10 biggest companies in Bovespa that do. Vale, Bradesco they all have reserves like this.So at the time, we didn't think it was pertinent to create a reserve, but when we changed our dividend payment plan last year, we felt the need from that research group that started the dividend policy. And this topic arose again.Since we proposed the creation, it created a lot of controversy, which was surprising to us, and I'm going to tell you why. But the initial name of the reserve was a reserve for the equalization of dividend payments, which is self-explanatory in our opinion. However, at Petrobras' governance, the Administrative Committee, the Board of Directors decided to change the name of that reserve, which then became reserve for capital compensation. And that's when things got confusing for the general public and investors.And why did I say that we were surprised by the controversy that was created for one, because Petrobras had already a reserve for investments in capital. It's part of Petrobras' balance sheet. And there are some resources allocated in that reserve. And that reserve was allocated to investments that are not par excellence included in the strategic planning.Petrobras has this reserve that was created in '18 or '19, if I'm not mistaken, to be allocated and investments. And that is to be called a reserve for investments in capital. And now the new one is called a reserve for capital compensation. The first time we published that, the first reaction was, well, Petrobras wants to allocate resources that should be allocated to redistribution of dividends and allocated to investments. And that's why they created that reserve.And for -- since the beginning, we said that it wouldn't make sense since that reserve already existed, we won't have to create a new reserve. If the intention was that, the council and the Board would only have to get together and allocate these funds to these purposes. So we tried to explain that in the beginning, it was not so easy, but then things got settled.In the beginning of the year, we were doing the previous year's analysis, and we recommended that 50% be paid as dividend distribution and another 50% would -- should be maintained in the reserve. The administrative board, it was the first time that the reserve was being used. That was something new in Petrobras, and it's also important to say that the money that's left in the reserve could only be allocated to the payment of dividends. So what we were saying was that the extraordinary results would be 100% distributed as dividend payment.However, our proposal is that initially only 50% should be distributed and the remaining 50% should remain in the reserve. If we didn't use the reserve for the SA would have to redistribute 100%. So we're still keeping this assumption that a 100% will be distributed, but 50% would be distributed initially and the other 50% would be distributed later. And we went over our reasons for that.So in hindsight and with all of the controversy that occurred as a reaction to that, what happened in this process at Petrobras was yet another demonstration that governance that's under Director Pinelli's administration worked really well. The Board said, we should pay 50% and maintain 50% and submit the reviews. And the administrative council received the analysis and said, "Well, wait, we need to look into this more closely. The external scenario is changing, so we need to have more information." Don't we already have a reserve that's allocated to the payment of dividends? Yes, we do. So that reserve will be dedicated to the payment of dividends, and we have to look into this a bit further. And as we all know, a huge controversy emerged.And at the end, the Board came back with more information and the administrative board was comfortable with the explanations and submitted the matter to the general assembly for the final decision. So in hindsight, this governance worked, and it's just as well that this double verification occurred, which only proves that the decision was correct and well grounded. So this is my decision. And if now we have this 2020 vision in hindsight, of course, that was not the case during the process, but in hindsight, the governance worked to protect the investors' interests. And what was decided back then in terms of what to expect for the future, it was that by the end of this fiscal year 2024 -- that is. It could happen at any time that DR and the administrative board should monitor the external scenario and the market status and the externalities and that they should define when the reserve would be distributed. So there is no set date for that. We have decided though that this will happen before the end or by the end of the fiscal year. It could happen at any time between now and then.So what should we expect from this reserve? Well, but it works whenever it's necessary, whenever it's safer for Petrobras, it will work. It is a tool created to make sure that in years where we have a lot of net profit and the cash flow is impaired or the other way around, that it can be used to make sure that the policy will always work in good conditions, regardless of any external factors.So in terms of what to expect through the future is that it works and will continue to work well. This is a process of greater transparency that we've been implementing at Petrobras since last year. And the deep dive that we did in New York will also happen in Asia this year.On the 27th, we will be receiving 48 investors and analysts and CENPES. And our intention is to understand the production curve. There'll be a lot of technical staff there, but invites have been sent to investors as well.Of course, there'll be people from reservoirs speaking in technical lingo, but we want to have the analysts with us so that we can give you a perspective about our production curve, and that will be maintained. The dividend calculation will also be scrutinized. So this reserve will continue to work, and that is the decision of the administrative board. So we should wait for their review and for their decision on what to do with the balance by the end of the fiscal year. I mean the review is supposed to happen by the end of the fiscal year.Concerning the completion rates and the other range regarding E&P, I'll give the floor to Director Joelson.

[Joelson Mendes, executive]

It gives us the opportunity to go over. But why we've been seeing a decline rate of around 10% in the last few years and why we don't think anything too different from that will happen. Each field goes through a natural decline once it starts production, of course, you're decreasing the pressure of that reservoir and the amount of gas. So it's just natural that you can extract less hydrocarbons from it. That's just natural. It happens differently at a different rate in each field.But in order for our projects to be profitable, especially for deep and ultra-deep waters, we attempt to recover the total volume of hydrocarbons as soon as possible. So we are increasingly more seeing wider pipeline projects with wider wells. And it's not by chance that with fewer wells, we've been having the same extraction rates so that the net present value of these projects is also high.But with that, of course, this decline is also expedited because you're removing more hydrocarbon. And there is another natural aspects as wells age, they present problems from time to time. In Buzios, for instance, one of our biggest fields, we have dozens of wells that have been producing for 4 or 5 years now.In 2P, we have hundreds of wells in production that have been producing for 12 or 13 or 15 years. So from time to time, we have to intervene in certain wells, and we have a pool of tools and vessels and rigs for these interventions, but they're not available immediately overnight. We have a great fleet of equipment, but when a well needs to be taken out of operation for any reason, it might take us anything between weeks and months to intervene in it or the intervention may not be feasible at all.For all interventions we have to do the math and see if it's feasible or not. So that contributes to this escalation of the decline rate because we are removing hydrocarbons from the wells as fast as we can, and we have to rely on extremely expensive tools and resources, rigs that cost somewhere in the range of 300 to 500 -- $300,000, and this affects this decline. And I would very much like to have a decline rate below 10%, but that's not what we've been seeing, and we believe that it will remain like that even though we are working against that.

[Operator]

Thanks, everybody. This is the end of our Q&A session. If there are additional questions, you may send your questions to our Investor Relations team. Now I'll give the floor to Director Sergio for his final comments. Sergio?

[Sergio Leite, executive]

Thank you for your participation. It's always important to have these meetings. Our take-home message is that we're having consistent results, expressive figures, some of which we've been measuring and monitoring at Petrobras. We've been monitoring the deviation of the gap between the planned and year-to-date numbers.Some of them, such as the EBITDA are within very small deviation ranges and others are hard to predict such as net profit. These have a greater deviation. We've already been hearing news about forwarded expectations, but we are now facing an adverse scenario, and we've been analyzing the current status as we did last year with the certainty that the company is solid, that the numbers are going to be reversed and that we are going to deliver our production curve.Profits are going to remain solid. We're going to keep on paying dividends and contributing to society like we've been doing with the south of Brazil amidst the tragedy and adding value to the oil and gas industry. So it is -- it's been a challenging first quarter. The company has responded well to these actions. So with that, I'd like to say thank you for your participation, and have a great day.

[Operator]

Thank you, Sergio. This presentation is already available on the Investor Relations website, and we will soon make the audio portion of this webcast available as well. Thank you, and have a great day.