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Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Banswara Syntex Limited Q1 FY '25 Earnings Conference Call. This conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the company which are based on the beliefs, opinions and expectations of the company as on date of this call. These statements are not a guarantee of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Ravindra Toshniwal, Managing Director from Banswara Syntex Limited. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Thank you. Hi, good afternoon, everyone, and I welcome you all to our quarter 1 FY '25 Earnings Conference Call. Along with me on this call, we have our CFO, Ms. Kavita Gandhi, and SGA, our Investor Relations advisers. I hope all of you have been able to go through our investor presentation uploaded on the exchange and on our company website.
Let me begin with the industry landscape, followed by our financial overview. The nation ranks as the world's third largest exporter in the textile sector, leading in exports of several textile categories. Forecasts suggest that by '25/'26, the exports from India anticipated to reach USD 65 billion. As per the union budget, the government has allocated INR 4,417 crores towards the textile sector for the financial year '25. The allocation for the National Technical Textile Mission stood at INR 375 crores. Technical Textiles are special textile products designed mainly for their performance and functionality.
From the last fiscal, the industry has faced multiple challenges such as subdued demand, rising inflation, escalating energy expenses, increasing labor costs, geopolitical conflicts and tougher competition from countries with lower production costs. The industry is, however, on a path of gradual improvement in demand, both domestic and export markets. But the global geopolitical conflicts make the demand revival a little difficult.
Now let me take you through the financial performance for the first quarter. Our total income declined by 10% to INR 274.7 crores in quarter 1 FY '25 on a year-on-year basis. The EBITDA stood at INR 20.8 crores during the first quarter. Profit before depreciation tax came in at INR 12.7 crores and the company recorded a PAT of INR 1 crore in the first quarter. Margins for the business have hampered on account of subdued demand scenario, coupled with pricing pressures in the industry globally.
Now moving to each of the business divisions. For our Yarn division, the revenue from the Yarn vertical witnessed a 25% decline in quarter 1 against the quarter in FY '24 and down by 22% as compared with the last quarter of quarter 4 FY '24, that is. The decline is attributed to the muted demand along with labor shortages due to the election season. The sales volume also decreased on both year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter basis in quarter 1 FY '25. The capacity utilization in the Yarn division stood at 81% for the quarter 1 FY '25.
We will continue to focus on high-value yarn products that will lead to enhancing value growth. We are also focusing on modernizing our existing machinery for better quality and efficiency rather than doing the big CapEx.
Fabric division. Our Fabric vertical witnessed a growth in revenue by 10% to INR 113 crores in the quarter 1 FY '25 as compared to the corresponding period last year. The capacity utilization in the Fabric vertical stood at 70% as compared to 65% in the last quarter. And for quarter 1 FY '25, slightly up from last quarter. We have successfully launched our brand, Simone Fredrico & Figli, and we see good traction in the market. Efforts are being taken to make the Simone brand, a global brand.
Additionally, we are proactively expanding our customer base in terms of catering to midsized brands on a B2B basis in both the domestic and export markets. Our dealer network is already in place for the new brand.
Now about our Garment business. For quarter 1 FY '25, Garment sales declined by 14% year-on-year to INR 53 crores on account of subdued demand in both the domestic and international markets. The sales were impacted, particularly for suits and blazers. However, the domestic market has been good for the trouser category. The capacity utilization in the Garment vertical stood at 46% for the first quarter of financial year '25.
In conclusion, despite the challenging time in our industry, India stands to benefit from a global demand diversification away from China. Along with the Indian textile market having a huge potential to grow domestically, the government is also working towards signing of FTA's with the U.K., which will be a good tailwind for the overall sector. And in the second half of FY '25, we are observing indications of market recovery, and we foresee a resurgence in demand.
Going forward, our strategic focus will be to capitalize on emerging opportunities to drive long-term growth. Our commitment to innovation, efficiency and value additions remains unwavering as we navigate the evolving market landscape and continue to deliver to our stakeholders.
With this, I would like to open the floor for questions. Thank you.
[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of [ Yug Modi ] from AB Capital.
Sir, I just had two questions. How do you see the current situation in Bangladesh? And can you expect any incremental business coming to India if you could elaborate on this thing?
Okay. So Yug, the position in Bangladesh is pretty recent and I mean, most of the customers, whether they're domestic or export, are going to wait to see what happens actually as it settles down. So short term, there's not going to be any benefit.
Long term, yes, if customers have been rattled once and now are putting a question mark on the political stability in Bangladesh, long term, they will look towards India. So we do expect benefits to happen down the road. Immediately, maybe it won't be such a big impact. Does that answer your question?
Yes, sir. So secondly, sir, are we observing any signs of demand deterioration [indiscernible] spill over in the second half of the year?
Yes, we are seeing recovery in the second half of the year in demand from all markets in the West. It has been bad earlier, but now it seems to be improving quite well. So yes, we are seeing a lot of demand even in Europe, particularly from the Eastern European countries like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Slovakia and all of the countries, we are seeing a good demand.
The next question is from the line of [ Surya ] from Sunidhi Securities.
Just continuing from the last question from Bangladesh. So just wanted to understand where the Bangladesh has strength is, I mean, Bangladesh strength what I understand is from the knitwears and the denim, whereas we totally don't present in that segment so far as garment is concerned. So there is a massive opportunity that can come to India with the signing of the treaties and Bangladesh graduation from LDC that is secondary. So what is -- because if you see Yarn and Fabric, we are nearly optimally utilizing our capacities, and we are not focusing on major additions. So -- and Garment is also underutilized. So is there any plan to go to the other parts of the garment rather than sticking to trousers and jackets?
Okay. So Surya good question. The question is one about Bangladesh being mainly knit intensive not in the formal, let's say, tailored clothing, which is very correct. And Vietnam has taken most of this industry. And now that we have a very strong base in tailored clothing, and the tailored clothing is moving away from China to us, we do see that further capacity utilization in our suits business, suits and blazers, which is the one which suffered a lot in the last 2 years.
Given that the demand for suits and jackets and formal clothing was also muted in India over the last 2 years, we see that now this cycle should come back because marriages in the seasons ahead, do seem to portray that there is a revival of demand and all pipeline is empty. So one is that, yes, we will utilize our existing capacities for more tailored clothing in a better way. And other is that we will also reconvert some of our lines into more casual sportswear and more knit jackets, kind of like a bridge with the very casual stuff that is done in Tirupur and what we can do with a tailored factory will be more casual. So yes, both of those things will happen.
Okay. And sir, just to give a perspective on the formal wears. The -- I mean, let's say, our positioning maybe improved maybe towards the export front because some of the competitors -- Indian competitors who are focusing on export market, they have fared well. I mean, let's say, I don't want to name those. But in case -- in our case, we focus on trousers. So proportionately, those kind of growth should have happened. Why this disconnect from the export front'?
Right. So most of the growth in exports, in fact, has happened from the Tirupur part and more for casuals. We have been more in the tailored clothing and -- hello? You can hear me?
Yes, yes, yes.
Yes. The part where the growth...
Sorry to interrupt you, sir, there's a lot of background noise from your end.
From our end? Not really.
It's not clear, sir.
Yes, you can hear me well?
Yes, sir, yes. Continue.
Okay. So I'm just saying that we cannot switch between casual and tailored clothing very frequently, and all such switches are not easy to do in garment factories. And our garment factory is more tuned for tailored and sportswear, and we will continue to focus on those markets, the ones where we can make up to use our capacity is uniforms. And the uniform sector is something where we will get steady business, which will continue to come in our tailored clothing. And you have seen that we have engaged with several different armies in Eastern Europe like we have the business from the Czechoslovakian Army, the Slovakian Army. We're working on the Dutch uniforms and the German uniforms. And this is a huge market.
So we are really looking at continuing to be a tailored clothing because there is more value addition in that, and we are more geared towards that, both in the Fabric as well as in the Garmenting. And improving the market share of the uniform business so that there is no variation even if the suit and blazer business doesn't do as well.
Sir, I have seen your facilities in trousers, so I understand that it is not possible to switch to casuals. But are you looking at, let's say, expanding all to other areas of casuals and others where the Bangladesh opportunity may come to India? That is my question because -- and secondly, as we note the capacity cannot be ramped up so quickly. So it makes sense to -- for inorganic move rather than organic. So what is your take on that?
Okay. So I mean, see, most of the growth we are seeing happen right now is in the Fabric business. As you can see in our Fabric business, the growth is tremendous. And there will be a lot of inorganic growth that happens with this acquisition of the brand that we did, the Simone Fredrico & Figli. We have bookings of INR 25 crores already for this financial year in Simone. And we expect this brand to grow to really be a sizable brand in the coming years.
So we are going to use our facilities in garmenting also to get back to the INR 350 crores that we have achieved in garmenting with the existing capacity. And I'm sure we can get that again easily to surpass that. We are restructuring our garment with a lot of inputs coming in from the customers to be able to do even better and, let's say, the kind of full canvas suits made to measure and various kinds of value additions that we can provide to customers.
So we do not want to shift the path away to a low value piece, is our intention. We will achieve what we want in terms of the financial parameters for our own division within the infrastructure we have by augmenting it with different customers and different products, which are still more formal and more tailored.
The next question is from the line of [ Ankit Kapoor ] from Investor Investments.
Sir, this is regarding your spinning division. A 25% fall is a huge fall as compared to other spinners are reasonable well. So what is the particular Yarn, which is not done or the tech is somewhere different? Sir I have checked up Arvind, I have checked up Vardhman, others also, they have done reasonably well in the spinning division?
You're talking about the cotton spinning versus synthetic. If you take spinning in Bhilwara, let's say, Sangam or Sutlej or RSWM, you will see a similar pattern as ours. And secondly, also, there has been a little problem of labor shortages during the election period in our region, particularly.
But I think that the major issue is the different source you're comparing is between the cotton textile industry and the synthetic.
So -- but the demand is catering towards the non-cotton type of fabric because of the cotton prices being higher.
Not really true, yet because a lot of the noncotton type of fabrics are being imported. And we have seen a growth in the Fabric business of our noncotton textile, yes.
Overall, in the country, in spinning, the amount of synthetic yarn being produced and its particular pricing and its utilization, because of the capacity having been increased, has not been as good in the last quarter. We hope it will come back. We are expecting it to come back in August, and we're already seeing green shoots in July.
So I mean like what one thing I can share with you, that if you look at overall gross margin, and you compare our gross margin this quarter versus our gross margin last quarter or even over the previous financial year gross margin average to the gross margin in this quarter, this quarter is better with about 60 point some percent, 61% almost gross margin, whereas earlier, the gross margin was like 56%, 57%. We've got a 4 percentage increase in gross margin, even though the raw material prices increased, and our raw material portion of the sales as a percentage increased.
So raw materials on the one hand, increased. Gross margin still was maintained and made better, which shows that we've been selling more value-added products, and which shows that we are able to sell those value-added products at better prices with a better gross margin. However, we're not able to sell enough of them. So turnover dropped by 25%.
How do you stimulate demand for better value products? Because as far as the commodity products are concerned, there's no margin and there's no demand. Everybody...
It's volume driven. It's always volume driven, right?
Sorry, everybody is making commodity. So there is no point in competing on that commodity level alone. The point is to create demand where there is no demand by offering novelty products, offering value-added products and taking as much share of the value-added market as you can. And that, we see, is happening.
And so going forward, sir, what is the outlook for your Yarn division, sir?
So I think that the outlook for the Yarn division in quarter 2 will be better and quarter 3, quarter 4 will be even better. So that's as far as the Yarn division is concerned. Fabric, it looks wonderful all throughout. And Garment will start to pick up also in quarter 3, quarter 4 in significant ways.
So it's too early to predict what's going to happen. But I think at the end of the year, we're not going to be terribly bad. This is not going to be a disastrous year and it's not as if the trend is pointing downwards, downwards, downwards. We see this as an inflection point.
[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of [ Rishi Shah ] from [ RH Investments ].
So I have a couple of questions. One is like when can we expect to see an increase in the capacity utilization for our Fabric and Garment segment?
Okay. [ Rishi ], is your name, right?
Yes, right.
Okay. So as far as Fabric is concerned, we already got an improvement in quarter 1. It went from 65% to 70%. And we expect it to get better every quarter. So we should be by the end of the year at back to 80%, 85% utilization as far as Fabric is concerned.
Garment is the one which was the concerning one where we actually went down to almost 45% utilization. And we should try and get back there to the 60, 70s, 80s by quarter 3, quarter 4.
Okay. Okay, sir. And regarding the PLI and SPA, are there any developments or potential benefits for the textile industry beyond what's reported in the media?
No. What's reported in the media may also not happen, all these government initiatives to achieve the results we're talking about. One way or the other, we have to capture market share by offering innovation, by offering better service, by doing the job better than others do it, and thereby taking market share away from the existing market, even if that market is not growing.
The next question is from the line of [ Karan Mehta ] from Mehta Investments.
Sir, most of my questions are answered. So just one question from my end. First, over the last couple of years, the spinning and Garment sector has faced many challenges compared to the Fabric business overall. While we have a more integrated business model many companies have adapted by sourcing Yarn externally allowing them to scale up their Fabric business more quickly. So are we considering a similar approach? Or is there something we view as something unrealistic?
Okay. Thanks, Karan, for your question. It's an insightful one to try...
Ladies and gentlemen, we have lost the management connection. Please stay connected while we reconnect them.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have the management connection back on call.
Yes. Karan, sorry, we got disconnected. So -- yes, I mean, I was going to answer your question about the Yarn business as compared to the Fabric and what we could do in our Fabric business to outsource yarns, free up our Yarn business for increasing sales independently and be able to, thereby also scale up the Fabric business based on that or if we had other plans. That was your question, right?
Yes.
So I think on the worsted yarns, which are more specialty yarns, we are making an investment on our own, and we're going to increase the worsted fabric capacity.
On regular yarns like filament yarns, et cetera, we are sourcing more. And the percentage of fabric that we are producing based on cotton yarn that we buy from outside and filament polyester that we buy from outside is increasing. We are even importing certain Chinese poly viscose specialty yarns. And so the usage of our internal yarns may go down or may not because the Fabric business as a whole is also increasing. But as a total percentage of the Fabric business, the amount of yarn we use internally will keep going down. Yes.
Understood. Sir, and if I can just add one more question. Sir, Bangladesh, as a region, has faced many challenges in terms of their overall performance. Like we have seen wage hike earlier and now the current issues that are going on. How do we see businesses shift from Bangladesh to other regions, if you can throw some light here?
So I mean, customers move slowly, and they will evaluate over a period of time now what happens in Bangladesh because the advantage that Bangladesh has for Europe is clearly the duty advantage, which India doesn't have because of the special status they have for duty free goods from Bangladesh. So as long as we don't get that, we are -- that's not going to be a major reason for people to shift to India.
And meanwhile, long term, yes, there is a lot of tailwinds in our favor, and we are getting a lot of responses from customers who want to have a longer-term relationship with India. But to translate into real business that can keep our lines occupied and have better capacity utilization, for that to happen, we really need a lot more relationship building with customers one on one with a lot of large customers who actually support us through this transition. Because initially, as we make the move, we would lose some money, running lines at the same price as which lines would be running right now, which are completely optimized, right?
I mean whenever a customer moves to us, he is not going to pay us some higher price and he would expect the similar efficiencies to be achieved by us, which are being achieved already by existing customers who have been running the lines for many years. So initially, we lose and then we will gain, and which is what we are seeing happen across a lot of the investments we've made right now and which is why also the results show that some of the investments we made have increased our cost of interest, have increased our expenses of overheads and overall salaries, et cetera. And yet we haven't been able to get the increase in the top line.
So in spite of a better margin, without the top line increase, we are not able to translate it into better profit. And I hope that is going to begin to change because a lot of seeding has been done. And as soon as the seeding results in more fruits and it begins to grow, we will see the difference. We are optimistic that this will begin to happen definitely in the second half.
[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of [ Parth ] from KK Advisor.
Actually I joined a little late, so please, apologies for if in case of any repetition. So I just had two questions. So first one, I just wanted to know how is the demand for jackets and blazers expected to evolve in the near future? And could you also provide the production numbers for trousers, blazers, and jackets for quarter 1?
Okay, Parth. So by and large, the demand for jackets now seems to be on an upward trend, primarily because the pipeline for Indian domestic formal wear is quite empty and we see a big wedding season ahead. For the export market as well, there is some revival and most of it is happening in the uniform business, which is for specific institutional sales, that's to the armies and police and particular workforce, which may be cruise liners or airlines or things like that.
So yes, there is going to be a better capacity utilization on the jacketing part. To give answer your question about specific numbers, I'm giving it to Kavita.
Yes, Parth, you wanted to understand on the numbers, like what are the volume of what we have sold in the quarter. So if I can tell you the volume what has been sold is around 7 lakh odd pieces put together the jackets and the trousers.
In the quarter 1, the jacket proportion is lesser but we are very optimistic about the catching up in quarter 3 and quarter 4.
Okay. Okay. Sir, second one, if you could just provide an update on the Simone brand and its current performance. And also how the ...
Sorry, say that again?
The Simone brand.
Simone, Simone. Okay. So yes, since it has been launched, we've created a syndicate of distributors across the country from all four regions of North, South, East, West. And there's about 20 very big dealers and then there'll be sub-dealers and appointees across the whole country. And we are having several conferences. We had one in Goa, we had one in Puket and we are going ahead with several regional conferences. We have one in Ahmedabad. And so this will continue, and we think that we will be able to get a sale at least of INR 25 crores in the first financial year in Simone. And every year, we expect to double this.
So that's the growth plan. We expect to be at INR 500 crores, INR 600 crores, even INR 1,000 crores in 5, 6 years from now.
All right. That sounds great. So lastly, just on the Technical Textile business, Tesca, how is that performing? If you can just give some clarity, sir.
For Tesca quarter 1, we did a turnover of about INR 19 crores. And our quarter-on-quarter growth seems to be flat, but the year-on-year sort of declined by about 16%. However, this again looks pretty good for the quarter 2, quarter 3. And also other than Tesca we've been doing a lot more technical textiles for the defense forces. And we've been doing special fabrics for fire retardant and anti-abrasive fabrics, which are rip proof for the Air Force and tents for the Army and various other fabrics for our institutional armed forces. So that's also been a good development, and it continues to grow.
[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of [ Ravi ] from Open Securities.
Am I audible?
Yes.
Yes. Sure. So you spoke a little bit about the finance cost. I just wanted to ask you what -- like what kind of finance costs should we expect going forward right now as it has increased during the quarter?
Yes. I'm going to give this to Kavita for answering.
You are right, the finance cost is on a increase trend. The reason being that, that as we explained in the earlier talk, we are looking for a CapEx plan in our Worsted and we are also looking for decongesting our mill and making some realignment. So we are doing some civil work and all that.
So there will be addition in our long-term borrowings. So due to that, there will be a finance cost higher than compared to the previous year. It will be in the range of around INR 35 crores but let's see how we go ahead the CapEx and how do we increase. So it will be changing quarter-on-quarter.
Understood. So this ties into my second question, then what would be the total estimated CapEx that we are planning for FY '25 and FY '26, sir?
So expected CapEx over a period of 2 years, if I can draw the line of sight then it will be in the range of around INR 180 crores to INR 190 crores, but it will be over a period of 18 to 24 months, not all at a time.
Understood. My last question would be on the inventory and raw material. Right now what kind of inventory are we shaping at? And how much of that will be fixed finished goods and WIP?
So inventory, raw material is almost on the similar trend, we are keeping, we are not increasing on that. Yes, there is a little in this quarter, the inventory on finished goods has little been increased. But that is all because of the orders what we have in pipeline. So it will get billed in a subsequent period. So inventory -- though the overall inventory has increased over the previous quarter, but it's all in line with our projections, what we have lined up.
[Operator Instructions] As there are no further questions, I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Ravindra Toshniwal for closing comments.
Thank you. So I would like to thank everybody for attending our earnings call and for providing your valuable input and questions which we always welcome and it always helps us to improve our performance. We do recognize that this has been the worst quarter that we've experienced in a long time in terms of the financial results. However, this is as bad as it gets. And we expect everything to be better from here onwards. So we continue to hope for your belief in our company and its results, and we will continue to make the efforts necessary to deliver the results as we go along. Thank you very much. Good afternoon.
On behalf of Banswara Syntex Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.
Thank you.