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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Cantabil Retail India Limited Q3 and 9 Months FY '24 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded.

Before we begin, a brief disclaimer, the presentation which Cantabil Retail India Limited has uploaded on the stock exchange and their websites, including -- during this call contains or may contain certain forward-looking statements concerning Cantabil Retail India Limited business prospects and profitability, which are subject to several risks and uncertainties, and actual results could materially differ from those in such forward-looking statements.

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Vijay Bansal, CMD from Cantabil Retail India Limited. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

Good evening, everyone. On behalf of Cantabil Retail India Limited, I welcome everyone to the Q3 and 9 months FY '24 earnings conference call of the company.

Joining me on this call is Mr. Deepak Bansal, Whole Time Director; Mr. Shivendra Nigam, CFO; Ms. Poonam Chahal, CS; and Marathon Capital, our Investor Relations Adviser.

I hope everyone had an opportunity to look at our results. The presentation and results release have been uploaded on the stock exchange and our company website.

We are pleased to announce an interim dividend at the rate of 20% per equity share. Our company has delivered good financial results with a revenue growth of 11% in 9-month FY '24 despite muted consumer demand. However, we have observed that despite the overall muted market conditions, our customers have up their spends leading to increase in average bill value.

On the expansion front, the company accelerated its store expansion strategy by opening 66 stores during the first 9 months of the year. We remain focused on pursuing our long-term strategic agenda by further expanding our reach into newer markets and ensuring an elevated shopping experience to our customers.

I'll now hand over the call to Mr. Shivendra Nigam for giving update on the financial performance over the quarter. Thank you.

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Thank you, sir, and a very warm welcome to everyone. Coming to the financials. Stand-alone performance highlights for quarter 3 FY '24. Revenue from operations for quarter 3 FY '24 grew by 7% to INR 174 crores as compared to INR 163 crores in Q3 FY '23.

EBITDA for quarter 3 FY '24 stood at INR 53.9 crores as compared to INR 55.9 crores in Q3 FY '23. EBITDA margin earned in Q3 FY '24 is 30.9% as compared to 34% in Q3 FY '23.

Profit before tax for quarter 3 FY '24 stood at INR 30.9 crore as compared to INR 36 crores in Q3 FY '23. PBT margin for Q3 FY '24 stood at 17.7% as compared to 22.2% in Q3 FY '23.

Cash margins for quarter 3 FY '24 stood at INR 24.1 crores as compared to INR 27 crores in Q3 FY '23 and PAT margin for quarter 3 FY '24 stood at 13.8% as compared to 16.5% in Q3 FY '23.

Now coming to the standalone performance highlights for 9 months FY '24. Revenue from operations for 9 months FY '24 grew by 11% and is INR 421 crores as compared to INR 380 crores in 9 months FY '23. EBITDA for 9 months FY '24 stood at INR 118 crores as compared to INR 123 crores in 9 months FY '23. EBITDA margin for 9 months FY '24 stood at 28% as compared to 32% in 9 months FY '23.

Profit before tax for 9 months FY '24 stood at INR 55 crores as compared to INR 67.3 crores in 9 months FY '23. PBT margin for 9 month FY '24 stood at 13.1% as compared to 17.7% in 9 months FY '23. PAT margin for 9 months FY '24 stood at INR 43.9 crores as compared to INR 50.4 crores in 9 months FY '23. PAT margins for 9 months FY '24 stood at 10.4% as compared to 13.3% in 9 months FY '23.

The company added 66 stores in 9 month FY '24. With this, the company operates 533 EBOs out of it 379 are the company-owned stores and 134 are the franchisee based. The retail area is approximately 6.3 square feet as on December 31, 2023.

Now we may begin the question-and-answer session.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from the line of Jatin Chawla from RTL Investments.

U
Unknown Analyst

My first question is, could you talk about what was the SSG in the quarter?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

So SSG for us in the quarter is actually on a lower side, it is minus 4%. In terms of value, it is minus 4% and at the same time it's -- quantity is 0.9%, minus 0.9%. So because of the slight correction in prices, it is minus 4%, SSG front for the quarter.

U
Unknown Analyst

Got it. So, yes, I observed this in the numbers there, that your ASPs are down Y-o-Y. So is it because of higher accounting? Or have you taken down MRP prices itself?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Yes. So basically, the main 4% down is on the basis of we have not passed that completely, that's not about the discount. It is the lower price 4% is actually the lower selling price.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. So the MRP itself has been reduced?

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

It has -- the MRP has been reduced because there was a correction in the raw material prices. So due to the correction in the raw material prices, we have reduced the MRP. So it means the correction in the raw material prices was passed on to the customers.

U
Unknown Analyst

Got it. Yes. Yes. I noticed that despite this price correction, your gross margins actually are very strong.

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

Yes. Exactly.

U
Unknown Analyst

The other thing I was thinking was that in this quarter for you, winter tends to be the -- there are a lot of winter products that get sold, which have higher ASPs. Now product mix, same also should have been -- maybe would have been negative. So what is the impact of that?

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

So that mean -- the winter items haven't gone down much, but the -- regular items like the shirt and trouser series impact on that side. So if you see the quarter, October, November, December, there was a shift in the Diwali festival. Last year, Diwali was in October, this year Diwali came in November. So in October, the sales are down much because the volume was in November. And in November, there recovery was not that much which was expected due to Diwali. So that's why there is a 4% negative same-store sales growth. In December, we got to be flat, there was no dip in the sales. So that's how the 3 months came to minus 4% in SSG.

U
Unknown Analyst

Got it. Got it. And in your press release, you mentioned that now that the winter is good in 4Q, you are seeing some recovery in revenues. So should we expect a positive SSG in 4Q or given the still weak demand environment, SSG will remain muted in 4Q as well?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

There is still pressure on the demand side in the quarter 4 also. So we are -- we hope that it should get flat, but there is a muted demand in the market only in quarter 4 as well.

U
Unknown Analyst

Understood. Understood. And last question from my side. You have added almost 60-plus stores in 9 months itself. So what's the target for store opening now for FY '24 and '25, if you could just talk about that?

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

We have the same targets, we plan to open 80 to 90 new stores in the next financial year. Though there has been a muted demand, but this hasn't impacted the sales expectation from the new stores -- the sales expectation and the results we are getting from the new stores are as per the expectations. So we have kept our expansion plans intact for the next year.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of from Ankit from [Subhkam Ventures].

U
Unknown Analyst

A couple of questions from my side. Sir, what was the share of winter products in this quarter?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Share of the winter product?

U
Unknown Analyst

Yes.

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

So basically, the overall volume, what we have been sold this quarter is mainly were on the November and December. That is on the winter side. So approximately if I get core winter product, so that is the same range which is coming in this quarter, particularly, approximately 60% in terms of value, which is coming from the winter category in fact.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. And what was it last quarter, same year? I mean, Q3 of last year?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

It is approximately percentage is the same one. 60-40 is happening in the quarter itself. In the quarter itself for the winter material, apart from like shirts and other category -- its that everything is affecting.

U
Unknown Analyst

What I was trying to understand was that the slowdown is across. I mean it is not only on the winter product, right?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

Correct. No, the slowdown is majorly in the shirt and trouser category. Winter category, what we have seen is stable. Because in December, the trend may be a little bit because there was a late onset to winter, but in January, we have seen the winter category performing well because there was low late onset of winter. So it was recovered by January only.

U
Unknown Analyst

But in January, you would have to discount your products at a higher rate to clear the inventory, right?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

But it is the same what we gave last year. So there is no increase in the discount compared to the last year in January.

U
Unknown Analyst

But in spite of a good January, you still feel that your SSG could be negative in this quarter?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

Yes, it is due to the regular items like shirt, trousers.

U
Unknown Analyst

No, no, I'm asking, sir, that in spite of a good January month, you still feel that your fourth quarter SSSG might be negative.

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Yes, its a muted one [Foreign Language] the quarter 4 itself, the January numbers were also slightly on the muted side. So it would be either flat or slightly...

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. So my -- okay, then my second question is now considering the fact that there has been slowdown since 9 months, so your overall results have been subdued since last 9 months and you are still expanding your capacities, right? You are increasing your store count. Now is there a point wherein, you will first see that demand coming up and then you will expand your stores? Or in spite of the muted demand, you will continue with your expansion plans?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

We have kept our expansion plans intact because our new stores are doing pretty well. The expectation from the new store -- is coming what we are expecting. The market is in the new towns, are positive for us. So we have kept our plans intact. And as the new stores, which we are opening are not going into the like losses or there is not a breakeven problem in the new stores. New stores also are getting into the profits and giving us the good sales.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. And lastly, sir, now assuming that the market demand remains at -- the market conditions remains like this for a couple of more quarters because we are entering an election year. And there could be some slowdown. So considering that thing in mind, is the company putting some efforts to improve its performance in terms of growth rate? Or you will purely depend on the market conditions to improve and then only you will show a good growth rate. I mean what are the extra efforts which the management is trying to put in, assuming that the market conditions remains the way it is for the next 2 quarters, at least?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

The next -- the next quarter, the next financial year it will be an election time. So in election time, it is assumed that a lot of money comes into the market. And we expect demand to grow in the next quarter from the April onwards. And we have introduced some like staff incentive programs, and we have like working only -- procurement and the designing side also to improve the sales. So these 2 measures we have introduced to get the same-store sales growth in a positive note in the next financial year.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. So lastly, should we now assume a relatively lower margins on a structural basis for you? Or you feel that you will regain your erstwhile margins of 30% plus in -- at EBITDA or 13% at the bottom line? So what would be the sustainable margins, say, we should work with for next year?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

So the same thing. Ankit, we also mentioned earlier, on a longer-term basis, all the plans from the management side is on a longer-term plan. So these are the more -- actually be in the market for the current scenario. So there is no change in the plan.

In fact, in the EBITDA this year, obviously, the EBITDA margin, as we mentioned, 30%, we are very sure from next financial year onwards, quarter-on-quarter basis this would be on the same numbers this year, slightly on the lower side. But overall, on a longer basis, quarter-on-quarter basis, we are targeting the same number. And almost we are very hopeful to achieve those numbers.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. And sorry, one last small question. You recently raised money via equity. So I mean, you were already debt-free and what our calculations suggest was that the internal approvals were enough for you to grow at, what, 20%, 25% growth rate. So what was the rationale of this money raising? And are you going to accelerate your expansion plans? Or what is the thought process?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

So in this case, the [ FII ] was just been coming. So obviously, they want to be the part of -- in fact, that's correct. We are the debt-free company and everything, expansion was the plan from the internal approval only. But there are -- their wish to come as a part of the -- they want to put money in the company and want to be the part of the growth plan.

So as such, that's obviously, that would be helpful in improving our margins as well. When the cash will be there available in the books, then we can have a better negotiation and we can improve on working on our gross margins. So that's the basic idea. There is no other change in the plan. As far as that money which is coming in the concern and that will help in improving our margins and better negotiations as well.

U
Unknown Analyst

So margins will improve, but your working capital will increase because of lower creditor days. Is it the right way to assume?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

We can -- we can assume that. We can assume that. It would be giving you a better -- probably everything is just would be putting in the working capital, so our gross margin would be improved.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Rajesh Sharma from Anand Rathi.

U
Unknown Analyst

Sir [Technical Difficulty]

Operator

Sir the line from [ Rakesh Sharma ] has been disconnected. Our next question is from the line of Paresh from [ Nuvama Wealth ].

U
Unknown Analyst

Sir, my first question is, when do you think that, you would be back to the positive SSG territory?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

Yes. In the next financial year, we are planning that we will be back in the positive SSG. This is due to the reasons that our main SSG is negative due to the fall in the ASP. So we have planned to -- like increase our margins and there will be increase in the ASP. So if this increase in the ASP, we hope that SSG will be back to the normal.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. And sir, you mentioned that your new stores are breaking even at a normal. So is it normal or there is some delay? Like your mature stores are showing negative SSG but newer stores are seeing some delay or they are at the normalized historical level in terms of breakeven periods?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

No, its in terms of breakeven period, like what was earlier it is still there. And our new stores are doing well. Breakeven period is coming to be 1.5 year. So it is the same thing we are expecting and the same performance stores are giving.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. And sir, margin guidance for this year, what would be the level be?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

So obviously, this year, margins in terms of -- gross margin we are maintaining. So EBITDA and PAT would be slightly on a lower side, slightly. But over on a longer-term basis, we are keeping the same targets.

U
Unknown Analyst

Yes. So you're confident that you would be back on the normalized [ 30% ] -- that was from next year.

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Yes. That was the plan -- perfect -- for the company, and we are working on it. What the 30% EBITDA margin plus/minus always, I said 5% difference in. EBITDA margin keep in 28%, 30% in mind and 17%, 18% of the -- sorry that's -- post-India 17%, 18% of the margin we are keeping. So that would be all the plan.

U
Unknown Analyst

And sir, my last question is any update you could give on your footwear stores.

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

We have opened right now 4 footwear stores. So 2 more are in the pipeline. So initially, we have planned that we've been checking the market with the 5 to 6 new stores. So after these 6 stores get opened, we will decide how to go further about this category. And -- but footwear category, we have kept in the old store also. They're around 50 old stores, family stores where we have kept the footwear. And we are getting a decent response in those stores. So we are planning that in the new stores which are coming, we add menswear category and the footwear category both.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from the line of [ Sirijana ] from [ Ratnakar ] Capital.

U
Unknown Analyst

I just had a small bookkeeping question. So should [ industry ] we also calculate gross margins after the factory labor expenses? Can you...

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Yes, correct. Correct. Correct. Including all for business, from the face, if you see, it is factory labor added in this month. I'm giving you the gross margin, reducing those numbers.

U
Unknown Analyst

Yes. I just wanted that number for this quarter -- what could be that.

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Yes, yes. For this quarter, we'll be able to deliver a gross margin of 59 -- up to 9 months and which is as compared to there is no reduction in the gross margin, no downfall.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. So for 9 months is 59% after the factory labor?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

After factory labor, and all put together, yes. All manufacturing got pushed...

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Nirav Jain, an individual investor.

U
Unknown Attendee

Sir, sometime back spoken about the focus on online sales as well. Just wanted to check in terms of proportion, where has that number reached? And do you see because of that particular portion of sales, do you see any impact on the margin because of online sales?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

So, right, what I -- we told our earlier target, same are on track. Last year, we have been able to achieve 2.5%. And this year, we promised approximately 5% to 6%. So this year, we'll be able to close approximately 6% of our total revenue on track. And yes, there is a slight reduction in the margin that was approximately 1%, which is because of the increase in e-commerce sales, so that has also been factored.

U
Unknown Attendee

Okay. And sir, just a follow-up question to some of you earlier asked questions. Just wanted to check what is it that you're doing different in the new stores where you believe that the sales are happening positively compared to your age stores where you believe that there has been a decline in SSG growth. So there must be something new or better which you must be doing in new stores. Is that the case? Or its just that you're trying to capture new markets through the new stores and hence seeing positive results?

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

See in the new markets, we are this time doing slightly bigger store, our new average store size in the last quarter is coming to be something like 1,700 square feet. And our average company store size is 1,200 square feet. So there is a good increase in the average growth per site in the stores we opened in the last quarter.

And by increasing the size of the stores, we have seen a positive impact in the sales also. Bigger stores are giving the bigger revenues. And definitely, the visibility has also improved much due to the bigger front in the -- bigger front of the bigger stores. So it's not just about capturing the market. It's a business sense also, if it's making a good business sense, then only we are going for the expansion. So -- it's a pure business decision to go for a good, bigger stores and the new expansion.

U
Unknown Attendee

So will it be right to say that PSF will go up probably, if I have to project it for the next one, forthcoming years, are you seeing uptick in the PSF as well because of this particular change in store size and all?

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

PSF generally tend to go down in the bigger store. But the retail cost remain same in the bigger store, retail cost is not going up. So in the totality, our revenue is going up with the bigger stores. But yes, the per square feet sale is not going up with the bigger stores.

U
Unknown Attendee

And sir, last question, in terms of the projected sales growth number of stores growing, what could be the mix of COCO versus FOFO store.

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

It is going to be the same 75% COCO stores, and 25% FOFO stores.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Rrajesh Sharrma from Anand Rathi.

R
Rrajesh Sharrma
analyst

Sir, a couple of questions from my side. So first one would be, despite, improvement in the gross margin in Q3 as compared to previous year, the EBITDA has reduced significantly. Any specific reason for that?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

In terms of reduction of EBITDA, right?

R
Rrajesh Sharrma
analyst

Yes, sir. Yes.

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Same thing. Same thing. So largely, there is a -- because 4% reduction is the same-store growth. So obviously, expenses are -- will impact on an annual basis, slight increase in terms of existing -- manpower or rental you can say. So that's the only thing, but everything is watchful. So overall, the reason for reduction is this, in terms of EBITDA as compared to last year, quarter-on-quarter is mainly expenses remain intact. However, the same-store sale growth is not being there.

R
Rrajesh Sharrma
analyst

Okay, sir. Got it. And sir, what would be the proportion of online sales and where we are present in that manner?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

So online proportion this year. As of now, out of this 430 -- INR 421 crores of sales what we did, 27 was the exact number for the e-commerce. And overall annual basis, 6% approximately, we are closing for this financial year.

R
Rrajesh Sharrma
analyst

And are we making any profit on this?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Yes, yes, we're doing. It is not on that much of gross margin is there as compared to offline, but we are on a breakeven even side on this particular segment as well.

R
Rrajesh Sharrma
analyst

Okay. And last question. And -- what is the current manufacturing capacity? And are we planning to add more capacities in next financial year?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

So existing capacity for our factory is approximately 15 lakh pieces which we are enhancing. By the end of this financial, it should go approximately 18 to 20. But overall target for the company is on the manufacturing side. 2/3 of 60% from our manufacturing, including job workers, factory, plus job worker. Job worker are going to increase the moment our volume will increase. And the balance 1/3 or 40% would be from the FOB side for knitting materials, in all the knits and accessories. So that ratio broadly would be the same, going forward as well.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Yash Bajaj from Lucky Investment Managers.

Y
Yash Bajaj
analyst

Sir you mentioned that in 50 stores, there are -- we have introduced footwear line and you said that there are positive responses from that. Sir, can you explain, I mean how much of those 50 stores -- each store, how much footwear contributes to the overall sales, as of today?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

It's very less right now because it's only about 2 months that we have introduced. So it's too early to say, comment on the figures. So give us some time, by the end of this new quarter, by the margin, we will give you the healthy figures on the shoe side.

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

But overall, sell-through is there what we expected in footwear as well.

Y
Yash Bajaj
analyst

Okay. And how much time will we take to expand the entire footwear lineup to all our stores?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

We are not planning to expand it to the all the stores because there is a limitation of the space in the old stores. So in the old stores, we have only put in the 50 stores. In the new stores, which we are taking in bigger sizes, we are putting the footwear. In almost 70% of the new stores, we are putting the footwear. So in the old stores, we are not planning to do it in the all the stores.

Y
Yash Bajaj
analyst

Okay. Got it. And my last question is that the money raised in the press. Just wanted to understand the reasoning behind not investing in increasing the store -- the rate of growth in the store expansion or in the manufacturing capacity than getting more benefit in the procurement side of it when it comes to the material.

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

So as I explained earlier as well, the purpose was not to increase in number of stores because we are always been a believer of sustainable growth. So there's no point of making that store count double from 80 per year to 150 because the location finding is not -- so we are being there. And the money which has been there was the existing working capital, it's a plus for the company, that there is some cash there in the books, which we will be able to explore in terms of and improve our gross margin. So that's the basic idea behind this, not making the store count double.

Y
Yash Bajaj
analyst

And that benefit we won't get for another year or something, how will that be then?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

We are expecting this. We are expecting this, see once the negotiation and other things. So probably that because the e-commerce share has been increasing. So however, maintaining the same gross margin is a challenge or 1% improvement would be there. So yes, at least we can expect couple of quarters would be there to get these results.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of [ Palesh ] from Nuvama Wealth.

U
Unknown Analyst

Sir, what would be the 9-month SSSG in volume terms?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

9 months SSG in volume terms is 0.5% negative.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Pallavi Deshpande from Sameeksha Capital.

P
Pallavi Deshpande
analyst

Just wanted to understand on the women section. I understand you want to increase our presence there. So what steps have you taken there in terms of -- you could put it in terms of capacity manufacturing or in terms of the women's store separate stand-alone women's stores any that we have opened?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

Today, we have around 33 exclusive women store, and we are around 11 to 12 more exclusive women's and ladies -- women' and kid's store in the pipeline. And in the women's, we are majorly doing it through the third-party fabricators and the [ FOB]. In the [ FOB ] there are in-house production of the women's is out there. And we are planning to go it forward also in the same format. The women's new merchandise will be only outsourced or will be fabricated through the third-party fabricators. But yes, women's category is doing well. The new stores which we have opened are giving us the good revenues. So that's why 11 stores more are in the pipeline [indiscernible].

P
Pallavi Deshpande
analyst

What is the total openings this year, how many were women?

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

So it will be around 15 -- 15 to 20 stores would be the women's stores this year, exclusive, ladies and kid's stores.

P
Pallavi Deshpande
analyst

Right. And sir, second question was in terms of the -- what would be -- in the malls versus ratio of stores malls to the high street. And are we seeing that the -- which store performs better, one in the mall or the high street?

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

Yes, we were around 83% of our stores in the high street and only 17% would be stores in the malls. So we are majorly high street brand. So -- but yes, mall stores are also not doing well. We are not doing the stores in the C class malls or the malls which are performing well. So the performance in the mall majorly depends upon how is the mall doing. Like if mall is doing great then majorly the brands in that mall used to do well. And where we are present in the malls are majorly in the B category. We are not present in the very big, big malls, and we are not present in the very bad malls. So in the medium category of malls, we are there, and the sales in the malls are also good. It's quite decent.

P
Pallavi Deshpande
analyst

And sir, the new openings would be more in malls or more on the high street.

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

It will be more in the high street.

P
Pallavi Deshpande
analyst

Right, sir. Right. And last, what will be the investment you are planning for in terms of the women's side for these stores, it would be the similar to other stores?

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

So investment in the women's store also come to be like INR 50 lakh per store. So -- means women's and kids store size is lower than what the men's store and the family store are doing. So investment is less in that category. So it's come to be INR 50 lakh both in women's and kid's stores and it rounds come to INR 65 lakh will be men's and the family stores.

P
Pallavi Deshpande
analyst

And the inventory term will be lower for these stores?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Approximately inventory days are the same for all the categories. There is not much difference in the category wise.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Saloni from [indiscernible] Investment Advisor.

U
Unknown Analyst

Am I audible?

Operator

Yes.

U
Unknown Analyst

My question is that, sir I see raw material expansion, [ job work ] charges to be quite fluctuating on quarter-on-quarter basis. Is this even if you take it out percentage to sales, it's quite fluctuating. So can you just give me an idea about why is it so fluctuating?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

So in our case, there is always when you're coming for the trading account. The trading account has to be the combination of own manufacturing as well as job working. So gross margin is important, what we have been maintaining. Some slightly up and there would be there in terms of job work. We did lesser job work charges is there because last year, already some inventory pressure was there, and we made slightly higher inventory last year. Cash flow was more used for the inventory last year. So this year, we corrected all the inventory. So overall, my gross margin is to be maintained, which is the part inclusive of job work charges as well as own manufacturing and -- so all put together, gross margin has been maintained.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from the line of Bijal Shah from RTL Investments.

U
Unknown Analyst

My question is on your footwear business. So the footwear in whatever store you are introducing, is it also eligible for buy 2 get 5 scheme.

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

Sorry, come again. Anything -- buy 2 get 5 in footwear as well...

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

No, for it, no, there won't be footwear. In the footwear, we are giving a flat discount only because it's really tough for anyone to buy the 5 pieces. So the flat price offer is only suitable for the footwear, and we are keeping -- going with that derivability.

U
Unknown Analyst

Sir I'm asking that, let's say, I buy 4 pieces of clothes and 1 of footwear, can I club it that way or that is not possible?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

No. Mixing is not there, mixing is not there.

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Footwear category will not be in the [ graph].

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

Margins are not shared. Because there are different margins in the footwear and the margins in the apparel category are different. So we -- so they cannot be mixed together.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. Okay. And I mean how many stores do you plan to roll it out probably -- so all the new stores which are coming, would there be footwear on day 1? And outside, older one you said 50 stores, but in the new stores, all of them will have it?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

So in the old store, 50 stores we have identified where we have kept the footwear. So these were majorly the bigger store, where there was the availability of the space. And the stores which were slightly smaller in size or there is a space constraint, we haven't kept the footwear. And 5, 4 stores we have opened to the exclusive footwear category and the new stores, which are coming around 70% of the stores will be carrying footwear.

U
Unknown Analyst

Okay. Sir, the second question is on your women's offering. So sales per square foot in women's is similar to what you see in men's or it is very different?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

Sales per square feet is lesser in the women's and kid's category. But it's improving year-on-year. We have seen this time and uplift, growth in the women's category in the winter season. So we hope that's why we are going slow also in the women's EBOs. So -- but we hope that this category will give good revenues in the future, and it will be growing constantly year-on-year.

U
Unknown Analyst

That's okay, sir. Sales per square foot, other things like -- I mean, the proportion of sold on discount and proportion of return, is that similar? Or how I mean -- how would you say broadly the economics of women's business, what is men's business, do you expect to evolve, not today, but probably maybe in 2, 3 years when it stabilizes. How do you expect it to evolve?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

Yes, the retail cost is on the higher side in the women's and kid's store right now than the men's stores. But that's what new stores we are opening are giving us good returns. Initially, there was some error also in our part because when we went to the ladies and kids category. But right now, we have also got the right strategy to expand in the ladies and the kids category. So new locations, which we are identifying and the new stores, which are performing are better than what we opened initially. So we are expanding that -- expanding the ladies and kids category, and we hope it -- business will improve further in this category.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Jatin Chawla from RTL Investments.

U
Unknown Analyst

If you could just talk about your absolute volumes this quarter.

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

Absolute volume we have done is around 13,88,000 pieces we have sold in this quarter.

U
Unknown Analyst

Got it. And inventory at the end of the quarter and Y-o-Y, how is it kind of moved? Because I think you spoke you have corrected inventory compared to last year.

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Correct. So inventory is also on a very decent size. Since December was the highest of the -- all the quarter in terms of inventory because of the high value of the winter product. So this year by INR 250 crores as of now, INR 250 crores is the inventory for the end of the 31st of December, so which we have been expecting it being slightly lesser in terms of days for the end of the financial year.

U
Unknown Analyst

And what was it last December? Because last December also the same winter?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

INR 238 crores was the last December, which is being this year for INR 250 crore because we have been increase the number of stores.

U
Unknown Analyst

Right, right. And any difference in SSG trends that you observed in Tier 1 and Tier 2 towns versus Tier 3 and Tier 4 towns?

V
Vijay Bansal
executive

No. There is the same trend at most of the places, we haven't noticed much difference in the SSG trend with respect to the Tier 1, 2 and 3 towns. So it will be almost the same.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Ashish Kumar, an individual investor.

U
Unknown Attendee

I have just 2 questions. As you told previous Con call that the revenue target of INR 1,000 crores in next few years. Any change in guidance for the same?

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

So yes, our long-term target is same. So considering the current financial year slightly, and still we are hoping to achieve this target of INR 1,000 crores in the middle of FY '26 is slightly maybe extended a few more quarters. So middle of FY '27, we will be able to achieve those numbers. So there is no change in long-term strategies and plans.

U
Unknown Attendee

Okay, sir. But the prior financial year '23 and financial '24 revenue at work are the same. More than 25% growth like at that.

S
Shivendra Nigam
executive

Obviously, '23, 20% what we have projected, not this because of SSG, this year is a problem, but we are very hopefully less -- next year, this would be covered because last year, our base was slightly on a higher side. So over on a longer-term basis, yes, whenever we are giving any number, plus minus 10% would be there. So couple of more quarters would have been there. So by mid of FY '27, the numbers -- we are targeting the same numbers.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for the day. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Deepak for closing comments.

D
Deepak Bansal
executive

I would like to, once again, thank you all for joining us on the call today. We hope we have been able to answer your queries. Please feel free to reach out to our CFO, or IR team for any clarification or feedback. Thank you all.

Operator

Thank you. On behalf of Cantabil Retail India Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

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