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Q2-2025 Earnings Call

AI Summary
Earnings Call on Aug 8, 2025

Strong Q2 Results: Metallus delivered a solid second quarter with net sales of $304.6 million, up 9% sequentially, and adjusted EBITDA of $26.5 million, up 50% from Q1.

Shipment Growth: Shipments increased by 10% versus Q1, with broad-based improvement across aerospace, defense, automotive, and energy markets.

Safety Improvements: The company reported 0 serious injuries year-to-date, a 40% reduction in injury severity, and a 6% decline in injury frequency.

Operational Momentum: Melt utilization rose to 71%, up 6 percentage points sequentially, and is expected to improve further in Q3.

Cost Pressures Ahead: Q3 adjusted EBITDA is expected to be modestly lower due to planned maintenance, higher electricity costs, and labor negotiation expenses.

Pricing Actions: A $100/ton price increase for seamless mechanical tubing takes effect in November; lead times for key products are extended to October.

Capital Investments: Key projects, including government-funded furnaces, remain on schedule with significant CapEx continuing into 2026.

Shareholder Returns: Metallus continued share repurchases, with 25% reduction in diluted shares outstanding since 2021.

Safety Performance

The company highlighted significant progress in safety, reporting zero serious injuries year-to-date, a 40% reduction in injury severity, and a 6% reduction in injury frequency compared to last year. Employee engagement in safety programs increased sharply, and management continues to invest in safety systems and equipment, with approximately $5 million planned for 2025.

Demand and Shipments

Shipments increased 10% sequentially, with notable strength across aerospace and defense (nearly doubling), automotive (up 9%), energy (up 17%), and industrial segments. The order book is now twice as large as a year ago, with lead times for products extending into late October. The company anticipates further demand growth as trade policy uncertainties resolve.

Tariffs and Trade Environment

Section 232 steel tariffs remain in place at 50% for most countries, supporting demand for domestically produced steel. While there is increased customer interest tied to tariffs, many are waiting for country-specific agreements to be finalized before making purchasing decisions. Management expects the tariff environment to further boost demand for Metallus' products by late 2025.

Operational Efficiency and Melt Utilization

Melt utilization improved to 71%, up 6 percentage points from Q1, driven by higher production and operational improvements. However, the company faced some disruptions from power supply interruptions and equipment reliability. External experts have been engaged to accelerate operational optimization, with targeted savings of $10 million annually ramping up through the first half of 2026.

Pricing and Product Mix

A $100 per ton price increase for seamless mechanical tubing was announced, effective November for spot sales. Pricing for SBQ bars and other products remains stable, with future increases possible if demand continues to strengthen. About 70% of 2025 demand is under contract, with the remainder spot-based, and most contract renewals will be discussed late in the year.

Capital Investments and Government Funding

Significant government-funded investments are underway, including a new bloom reheat furnace and roller furnace to support defense projects. Construction is on schedule, and Metallus has received $81.5 million in funding, with more expected through 2026. Capital expenditures for 2025 are projected at $125 million, including $90 million from government sources.

Cost Pressures and Outlook

The company anticipates higher electricity costs in Q3 due to an expired contract, $15 million in planned shutdown maintenance, and $3–5 million in non-recurring labor negotiation costs. As a result, Q3 adjusted EBITDA is expected to be modestly lower than Q2. Management is focused on offsetting these pressures through efficiency initiatives.

Shareholder Returns and Balance Sheet

Metallus repurchased 255,000 shares in Q2 and an additional 67,000 shares in July, reducing diluted shares outstanding by 25% since 2021. The company ended Q2 with $190.8 million in cash and no outstanding borrowings, reflecting a strong balance sheet and continued focus on shareholder value.

Net Sales
$304.6 million
Change: Up $24.1 million or 9% sequentially.
Adjusted EBITDA
$26.5 million
Change: Sequential increase of 50%.
Guidance: Expected to be modestly lower in Q3.
Net Income
$3.7 million
No Additional Information
Adjusted Net Income
$8.4 million
Change: More than double first quarter levels.
Diluted EPS
$0.09
No Additional Information
Adjusted Diluted EPS
$0.20
Change: More than double first quarter levels.
Operating Cash Flow
$34.8 million
No Additional Information
Cash and Cash Equivalents
$190.8 million
No Additional Information
Capital Expenditures
$17.8 million
Guidance: Full year 2025 CapEx expected at $125 million.
Government Funding Received (through July)
$81.5 million
Guidance: Remaining funding to be received through remainder of 2025 and into 2026.
Share Repurchases (Q2)
255,000 shares
No Additional Information
Share Repurchases (July)
67,000 shares
No Additional Information
Order Book Size
double the size of a year ago
No Additional Information
Melt Utilization Rate
71%
Change: Up 6 percentage points sequentially.
Guidance: Expected to increase further in Q3.
VAR Steel Revenue
More than double first half of 2024
Change: Up.
Guidance: On track to achieve approximately $30 million in 2025.
Planned Shutdown Maintenance
$15 million (second half 2025)
Guidance: About $5 million in Q3; balance in Q4.
Injury Severity Reduction
40% reduction YTD
Change: Down 40% YoY.
Injury Frequency Reduction
6% reduction YTD
Change: Down 6% YoY.
Net Sales
$304.6 million
Change: Up $24.1 million or 9% sequentially.
Adjusted EBITDA
$26.5 million
Change: Sequential increase of 50%.
Guidance: Expected to be modestly lower in Q3.
Net Income
$3.7 million
No Additional Information
Adjusted Net Income
$8.4 million
Change: More than double first quarter levels.
Diluted EPS
$0.09
No Additional Information
Adjusted Diluted EPS
$0.20
Change: More than double first quarter levels.
Operating Cash Flow
$34.8 million
No Additional Information
Cash and Cash Equivalents
$190.8 million
No Additional Information
Capital Expenditures
$17.8 million
Guidance: Full year 2025 CapEx expected at $125 million.
Government Funding Received (through July)
$81.5 million
Guidance: Remaining funding to be received through remainder of 2025 and into 2026.
Share Repurchases (Q2)
255,000 shares
No Additional Information
Share Repurchases (July)
67,000 shares
No Additional Information
Order Book Size
double the size of a year ago
No Additional Information
Melt Utilization Rate
71%
Change: Up 6 percentage points sequentially.
Guidance: Expected to increase further in Q3.
VAR Steel Revenue
More than double first half of 2024
Change: Up.
Guidance: On track to achieve approximately $30 million in 2025.
Planned Shutdown Maintenance
$15 million (second half 2025)
Guidance: About $5 million in Q3; balance in Q4.
Injury Severity Reduction
40% reduction YTD
Change: Down 40% YoY.
Injury Frequency Reduction
6% reduction YTD
Change: Down 6% YoY.

Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Tina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Second Quarter 2025 Metallus Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Jennifer Beeman. Jennifer, you may begin.

J
Jennifer Beeman
executive

Good morning, and welcome to Metallus' Second Quarter 2025 Conference Call. I'm Jennifer Beeman, Director of Communications and Investor Relations for Metallus. Joining me today is Mike Williams, Chief Executive Officer; Kris Westbrooks, President and Chief Operating Officer; John Zaranec, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Kevin Raketich, Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer. You all should have received a copy of our press release, which was issued last night.

During today's conference call, we may make forward-looking statements as defined by the SEC. Our actual results may differ materially from those projected or implied due to a variety of factors, which we describe in greater detail in yesterday's release. Please refer to our SEC filings, including the most recent Form 10-K and Form 10-Q and the list of factors included in our earnings release, all of which are available on the Metallus website. Where non-GAAP financial information is referenced, additional details and reconciliations to its GAAP equivalents are also included in the earnings release. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Mike. Mike?

M
Michael Williams
executive

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. Before we begin, I'd like to take a moment to welcome John Zaranec to the team. John is our new Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and brings with him more than 20 years of financial leadership in the manufacturing and industrial sectors, along with a strong track record of engaging with the investment community. We're excited to have him on board, and I'm confident you'll enjoy working with him. Also, I'm excited that Kris recently assumed new responsibilities as President and Chief Operating Officer after serving as our CFO since 2018. Kris now has oversight of our safety, manufacturing operations and excellence and supply chain organizations.

Now turning briefly to the trade environment. Section 232 steel tariffs remain firmly in place at 50% for most countries with little change resulting from the country-specific agreements currently under negotiation by the administration. A fair trade environment is very important for the long-term sustainability of the steel industry, an industry that is vital to our national defense and infrastructure. As a result of the recent trade actions, we anticipate growing demand for domestically produced steel. Before we dive into safety and the quarterly results, I want to take a moment to share how honored we were to recently host Vice President, J.D. Vance at our Faircrest plant in Canton, Ohio.

He spoke to approximately 300 of our employees and local stakeholders, emphasizing the federal government's commitment to investing in American workers and businesses. He also acknowledged our role in supporting national defense, highlighting Metallus' investment in a new bloom reheat furnace and our support of the Army's increased artillery shell production. This visit left many of our employees energized and deeply proud of the vital role they play in strengthening our national's industrial and defense capabilities.

Moving on to safety. Our mission remains clear to be recognized as having the safest specialty metals operation in the world. In 2025, we're on track to invest approximately $5 million to enhance our safety management systems and upgrade critical equipment. I'm pleased to report that our previous safety investments are delivering meaningful results. So far in 2025, we've had 0 serious injuries, a 40% reduction in injury severity and a 6% reduction in injury frequency compared to the same period a year ago. Even more encouraging are our leading indicators, a 25% increase in the number of employees actively participating in the first aid provider program and serving as safety committee representatives. A 41% rise in near miss reporting and a 48% increase in proactive safety engagement interactions -- these trends reflect growing employee engagement and trust in our safety culture.

We're also continuing to derisk our operations through robust serious injury and fatality prevention measures, comprehensive risk assessments and targeted lockout, tagout, tryout enhancements. We recognize that safety is a journey. However, these positive indicators give us confidence that we're moving in the right direction toward our goal of industry-leading safety performance. Moving to business results for the second quarter. Overall, shipments increased by 10% compared with the first quarter, driven by higher aerospace and defense, automotive and energy shipments. When looking at the first half of 2025, we shipped 28% more tons than the second half of 2024.

Higher shipments, coupled with better manufacturing performance resulted in a $26.5 million adjusted EBITDA, a significant increase from the first quarter. Additionally, we recently announced a price increase on seamless mechanical tubing products of $100 per ton effective in November for customers not covered by annual pricing agreements. Lead times are currently extended to October for our SBQ bars and seamless mechanical tubing products. Turning to our specific markets. Industrial shipments increased slightly in the second quarter on a sequential basis. Distribution customer inventory levels have declined over the last few months. SBQ and seamless mechanical tubes are consistently turning over and customers are regularly ordering from us.

Energy shipments improved 17% on a sequential basis. We continue to invest in our thermal treat capabilities for high-pressure, high-temperature applications to further expand our reach in the energy market. Tariffs aimed at protecting domestic steel producers are helping to reduce imports and stimulate demand. Automotive shipments improved by 9% sequentially. The sequential increase in shipments included some market share gains and increased demand on existing programs. The highest running light truck and SUV programs that Metallus participates in remain strong. And as we mentioned last quarter, we are continuing to see increased customer inquiries driven by tariff-related onshoring.

As expected, aerospace and defense shipments nearly doubled sequentially. While the industry continues to work through their short-term supply chain challenges, this market remains on target to continue to grow for the foreseeable future, and we are energized by our participation in this market. We continue to build momentum with vacuum arc remelt or VAR steel, driven by our broad downstream processing capabilities and a strategic relationship with a VAR supplier. Metallus is uniquely positioned to procure, engineer, process and sell these VAR products in an efficient manner that is desired by customers. Year-to-date, VAR-related sales have more than doubled compared to the first half of 2024, reflecting the focused efforts of our teams.

Alongside growing volumes with existing customers, the enhanced strength and durability of VAR steel has enabled us to win new business in the aerospace, defense and industrial sectors. As previously shared, we remain on track to achieve approximately $30 million in VAR-related revenue by the end of 2025. Switching gears to operations. Our melt utilization rate improved to 71% or by 6 percentage points sequentially on higher production volumes. We're seeing the benefits of ongoing process improvements across our manufacturing facilities, and we expect melt utilization to further increase in the third quarter to support our solid order book.

That said, we believe there are still meaningful opportunities to drive improvement in operating performance and cost structure. To support this, we've launched an initiative focused on optimizing the execution of our day-to-day manufacturing operating system across the organization. We expect this initiative will support the long-term sustainability of our operations while reducing costs and enabling profitability growth. In terms of recent capital investments, our automatic grinding line at our Harrison facility has successfully completed hot commissioning and is now fully staffed and operational. We're already seeing daily improvements in safety and throughput, clear indications of the project's positive impact.

Additionally, our government-funded investments continue to hit key milestones related to the installation of the new bloom reheat furnace and roller furnace to support the Army's increased demand for artillery shells. The bloom reheat furnaces construction continues to remain on schedule to begin commissioning by the end of the year. The new roller furnace building and equipment foundations are nearing completion and equipment has begun to arrive. We remain on schedule to begin commissioning in the first half of 2026.

Lastly, as a reminder, we will begin labor negotiations with the United Steelworkers on August 18 regarding the current labor agreement, which expires on September 29. As always, our aim is to achieve a timely, fair and equitable contract for both the company and our employees. We remain focused on our daily execution to support our solid order book while maintaining a commitment to safety, delivering an exceptional customer service and making strategic capital investments. These priorities are key to supporting sustainable profitability, generating strong cash flow and creating long-term value for our shareholders. I'm now going to turn the call over to Kris to review our financial results for the second quarter since he served as CFO for the majority of the quarter, and John will share the company's outlook.

K
Kristopher Westbrooks
executive

Thanks, Mike. Good morning, and thank you for joining our second quarter earnings call. During the quarter, our team delivered a sequential increase in shipments, net sales, melt utilization and profitability, consistent with our earnings guidance. We also continue to invest in the business to drive profitable growth while maintaining a strong balance sheet. From a top line revenue perspective, second quarter net sales totaled $304.6 million, a sequential increase of $24.1 million or 9%, primarily driven by higher shipments across all end markets.

Net income was $3.7 million in the second quarter or $0.09 per diluted share. On an adjusted basis, net income was $8.4 million or $0.20 per diluted share in the quarter, more than double, first quarter levels. Adjusted EBITDA was $26.5 million in the second quarter, a sequential increase of 50%, primarily driven by higher shipments and continued improvement in melt utilization, driving better fixed cost leverage. During the second quarter, operating cash flow was $34.8 million, driven by profitability, lower inventory and the receipt of a $6.5 million federal income tax refund.

At the end of the second quarter, the company's cash and cash equivalents balance was $190.8 million, inclusive of approximately $34 million of government-funded cash on hand for future investments. In the second quarter, capital expenditures totaled $17.8 million, including approximately $15 million of second quarter CapEx supported by previous government funding. Planned capital expenditures for the full year 2025 remain at approximately $125 million, consistent with previous guidance and inclusive of approximately $90 million of capital expenditures funded by the U.S. government. As it relates to government funding, during the second quarter, the company received $5.1 million of cash funding from the government as part of the previously announced nearly $100 million funding agreement in support of the U.S. Army's mission of increasing munitions production.

Additionally, during July, the company received an additional $10 million of cash funding from the government. To date, through the end of July, the company has received $81.5 million of government funding. Receipt of the remaining committed government funding is expected throughout the remainder of 2025 and into 2026 as mutually agreed upon milestones are achieved. As a reminder, this funding will substantially pay for both the new bloom reheat furnace at the company's Faircrest facility as well as the new roller furnace at the Gambrinus facility.

Now switching gears to pensions. In the second quarter, the company made $5.9 million of required pension contributions related to the U.S. bargaining plan. Following a recent actuarial update, we're now estimating only $3.5 million of additional required pension contributions in the second half of 2025, which is $6.5 million lower than previously stated guidance. As we proceed forward into 2026, the company is estimating a significant reduction in required annual pension contributions subject to investment performance, actuarial assumptions and funding laws. We continue to actively manage the pension. We'll provide further updates as available. In terms of shareholder return activities in the second quarter, the company repurchased 255,000 shares of common stock for $3.3 million. In July, an additional 67,000 shares were repurchased for $1.1 million.

At the end of July, a balance of $92.8 million remained under our share repurchase authorization. As it relates to convertible notes, during the second quarter, we settled the remaining $5.5 million of outstanding convertible notes at a cash cost of $9.1 million. As of June 30, 2025, the company had no outstanding borrowings. Since the inception of common share repurchases in early 2022, combined with the convertible note repurchase activities, we've reduced diluted shares outstanding by a significant 25% or over 13 million shares compared to the fourth quarter of 2021. These actions reflect the strength of the company's balance sheet and confidence in through-cycle cash flow generation. With that, I'll turn it over to our CFO, John Zaranec, to cover the business outlook.

J
John Zaranec
executive

Thanks, Kris. I'm excited to be part of the Metallus team, and I look forward to engaging more deeply with our shareholders and analysts in the near future. In terms of the near-term business outlook, commercially, third quarter shipments are expected to be similar to the second quarter, with lead times currently extending to October for both bar and tube products. Additionally, base price per ton is anticipated to remain relatively steady in the third quarter, dependent on our mix in the quarter. Effective November 1, we expect base price per ton to begin to benefit from the recently announced $100 per ton spot price increase on seamless mechanical tubing products.

This price increase is reflective of the improving demand environment for domestically produced products. From an operational perspective, melt utilization is expected to increase sequentially in the third quarter on improved operational performance. Consistent with prior years, planned annual shutdown maintenance will be completed in the second half of the year at a total cost of approximately $15 million. From a timing perspective, about $5 million of the planned shutdown maintenance will occur in the third quarter for non-melt shop assets. The balance of approximately $10 million of planned shutdown maintenance will occur in the fourth quarter and include the melt shop.

We are also expecting a full quarter of higher electricity costs starting in the third quarter as the previous long-term electricity contract expired midway through the second quarter. Additionally, as Mike mentioned, we're beginning negotiations with the United Steelworkers regarding the labor agreement, which is set to expire in late September. We anticipate incremental nonrecurring labor agreement negotiation costs of $3 million to $5 million in the second half of 2025, which we plan to report as an operational cost and not exclude from adjusted EBITDA, consistent with treatment in prior years. Given these elements, the company expects third quarter adjusted EBITDA to be modestly lower than the second quarter.

To combat some of these cost pressures and in the spirit of continuous operational improvement, we have engaged external resources to accelerate process optimization efforts, which include improving manufacturing efficiency within targeted facilities. The engagement began in July and will progress until targeted operational efficiencies are realized. We expect to realize annual savings of approximately $10 million as a result of this initiative, with savings ramping up throughout the first half of 2026.

To wrap up, thank you to all of our employees, customers and suppliers for their support in the first half of the year. I'm looking forward to partnering with all of you during this exciting time for Metallus, and I'm optimistic about the opportunities that lie ahead. We are well positioned as a high-quality U.S.-based specialty metals producer supporting critical markets. We remain committed to delivering value to our shareholders by driving profitable growth and executing our capital allocation strategy. As always, thank you for your interest in Metallus. We would now like to open the call for questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of John Franzreb with Sidoti.

J
John Franzreb
analyst

Congratulations, Kris, and welcome to the call, John. I'd like to start with maybe the new market share gains or new customers you're grabbing as a result of maybe the change in the tariff environment. Can you talk a little bit about the magnitude of the increased bidding for your products relative to what you maybe would have saw a year ago?

U
Unknown Executive

Sure, John. I would say that a majority of the increase in the share gain was gaining back some industrial and automotive business that we had lost in prior years, not necessarily to imports, but to domestic competitors. However, we do see a modest increase in new customer inquiries and orders tied to the tariff environment. But I have to qualify the fact that until the agreements are signed, there's a lot of people sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what is the final tariff and what is the impact to their supply chain. I will tell you they are inquiring to get domestic supply, but they haven't pulled the trigger yet until those agreements are really finalized with the signature on those agreements with both parties.

J
John Franzreb
analyst

Okay. Okay. So this is probably, I don't know, maybe a fourth quarter event if it happens that you're thinking, right?

U
Unknown Executive

Well, I'm not going to try to speculate my expertise on forecasting the Trump administration. So as they are finalized, yes, we do expect to continue to see, as we said in our comments, increased demand. That's what's being signaled to us. And that's actually what we're expecting going forward.

J
John Franzreb
analyst

And in A&D, can you talk a little bit about the supply chain issues? It's kind of been, I don't know, an overhang for a couple of quarters now. When do you expect that to be resolved?

U
Unknown Executive

Actually, we've been receiving good news recently that things are starting to potentially improve in demand, and we've actually seen some increased orders, just not at the rate we expected. These were investments being made by the supply chain to ramp up the munitions production. And they've had start-up and commissioning issues that have delayed that at least by sometimes 6 months to a year. So we have -- we are getting word that things -- we expect to see additional orders in the fourth quarter of this year.

J
John Franzreb
analyst

Great. Great. That's good to see. And it's interesting, one of my prepared questions was about melt utilization. We had that north of 80% target. It sounds like now you're bringing somebody in to achieve that number. Can you talk a little bit about maybe what's held back -- how is you back from hitting that number and your confidence in hitting that $10 million -- was it $10 million in savings in 2026?

U
Unknown Executive

Efficiency savings, yes. So we had a couple of percents of melt utilization impacted in Q2 by electrical supply interruptions because of -- we have interruptible power supply. It's a benefit to us because it actually provides us with a lower electricity if the electrical company when the grid is under extreme demand that we can idle and allow them to provide the electricity into the residential community to provide. So they have air conditioning and they keep the lights on. So we had a couple of percent utilization there. We had a couple of percent utilization tied to some reliability on auxiliary equipment, primarily cranes is the one thing that we're focused on.

We have engaged a third party to help us improve our crane reliability, but that's not the company we're referring to. We're referring to a company that is looking from how we schedule, how we plan and how we execute on the shop floor and really drive a higher performance of efficiency in our execution. And that will be anything from culture to what tools, data, et cetera, of what we should have. This is an industry-based expertise, and they bring a global best practice approach to shop floor, particularly for the steel industry execution.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Chris Olin with Northcoast Research.

C
Christopher Olin
analyst

You might have answered my question here a bit, but I was wondering on the SBQ bar side, are there any price increases on the books, on that side? And then I guess, if not, and to your thoughts on kind of this customer apprehension, how does that impact your contract discussions for 2026? Is that going to be complicate things?

U
Unknown Executive

Yes. I mean I don't want to really publicly talk about price. We haven't seen price increases since really earlier this year. It was a modest one. That's stuck. We really haven't seen that. Do I expect as demand continues to grow, typically, historically, price follows and increasing to support that higher demand. In regards to the traded situation and people are awaiting to see what the final tariff environment is going to be. I just think the small -- what I see is the smaller companies have already taken action to move. The larger companies are more -- the larger steel consuming companies are a little bit of more of a wait and see. They're inquiring to make sure that they have the ability to get supply when they decide to make that decision.

And you also have to keep it in perspective, there was a fair amount of import inventory already in the United States prior to the tariffs going into play. And we're definitely aware that, that inventory still exists, but it is being consumed. So we expect that inventory to be somewhat exhausted by the end of this quarter, early fourth quarter. And that will also play into the increasing demand for the domestic supply. Did I answer your question, Chris?

C
Christopher Olin
analyst

Yes. I was just -- I guess the other question I would have is just in terms of the contracts, can you remind us like in terms of what would come up for renewal or...

U
Unknown Executive

Yes. So if you look at 2025, as we've said, 70% of our demand is under contract and about 30% is spot-based. The contract discussions haven't really begun yet. There's a couple that have inquired, but we're basically -- that will pick up in activity and discussion late September through October through November into early December. So probably the next time we have a call, we'll have a better look at how that's developing.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Dave Storms with Stonegate.

D
David Storms
analyst

With the planned downtime coming up, are you going to be able to use this as a chance to implement more technology into your operations? Or is this going to be more of a maintenance update?

U
Unknown Executive

I would say the majority of it is maintenance, but there is some technology upgrades that we're planning to implement. But I would say the majority of it is really maintenance-related infrastructure, reliability-oriented investments in our shutdowns.

D
David Storms
analyst

Perfect. And then I guess, double clicking on that. Could you maybe spend a little bit of time talking about any tech improvements you're planning on implementing your operations? Or will that maybe come after your previously stated operation efficiencies?

U
Unknown Executive

Yes. I think -- well, I think these are more focused on reliability. So we do expect to see melt shop utilization to improve on some of our key investments, our key maintenance investments. But really, I think from a go forward, it's really going to be this optimization and efficiency of shop floor execution that's really going to net at least $10 million in savings in our manufacturing costs. And then as we -- some of these big CapEx investments come on later this year, the reheat bloom furnace and then early next year, the roller furnace, there's significant cost efficiency and improvements that we're going to get out of these investments that really will materialize in 2026.

D
David Storms
analyst

Understood. Very helpful. And then just switching gears a little bit here. With order books -- or excuse me, with lead times out to October, is there anything you can kind of tell us about the texture of the order book that you're seeing, maybe indications on the price to mix texture that you're seeing?

U
Unknown Executive

Sure. So our lead times are out to the second half of October. We have -- if you look at our order book, it's double the size it was a year ago at this time. So we have a much longer-term view, allows us to optimize our scheduling and increase some of our efficiencies in that regard. Defense is going to continue to be fairly stable. Automotive looks like it's going to continue to be very stable. And really, what's going to develop in that order book, we do see -- expect some price appreciate, modest price appreciation to continue to develop throughout the year as the prior announced price increases work into the shipments that we actually make from a timing standpoint. So things look a hell of a lot better than they did in the second half of last year, I could just tell you that. And then as this tariff environment becomes much more clear, then we expect demand to continue to grow.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And with no further questions in queue, I will now hand the call back to Jennifer for closing remarks.

J
Jennifer Beeman
executive

Thanks, everyone, for joining us this morning, and that concludes our call today. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you again for joining us today. This does conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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