Ormat Technologies Inc

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Good morning, and welcome to the Ormat Technologies First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Joshua Carroll with Alpha IR. Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator. Hosting the call today are Doron Blachar, Chief Executive Officer; and Assaf Ginzburg, Chief Financial Officer. Smadar Lavi, Vice President of Investor Relations and ESG Planning Report. Before beginning, we'd like to remind you that the information provided during this call may contain forward-looking statements relating to current expectations, estimates, forecasts and projections about future events that are forward-looking as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.



These forward-looking statements generally relate to the company's plans, objectives and expectations for future operations and are based on management's current estimates and projections, future results or trends. Actual future results may differ materially from those projected as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. For a discussion of such risks and uncertainties, please see the risk factors as described in Ormat Technologies annual report on Form 10-K and quarter reports on Form 10-Q that are filed with the SEC.



In addition, during the call, the company will present non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted EBITDA. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and management reasons for presenting such information is set forth in the press release that was issued last night as well as in the slides posted on the website. Because these measures are not calculated in accordance with GAAP, they should not be considered in isolation from the financial statements prepared in accordance with GAAP.



Before I turn the call over to management, I would like to remind everyone that a slide presentation accompanying this call may be accessed on the company's website at ormat.com under the Presentation link that's found on the Investor Relations tab. With all that said, I would now like to turn the call over to Ormat's CEO, Doron Blachar. Doron?

Thank you, Joshua. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. We began 2025 with a strong first quarter, achieving a 2.5% increase in revenue, a 4.6% rise in net income attributable to the company's stockholders and a record quarterly adjusted EBITDA growth of 6.4% compared to the first quarter of last year. This growth was driven by robust performance and significant expansion in both our storage and product segment year-over-year. In our Storage segment, our strategic approach to maintaining approximately 50% market exposure has yielded favorable outcome.



We benefited from stable contracted revenues due to the bottleneck tolling agreement, while on the other hand, capitalized on higher merchant prices and additional capacity in the PGM market due to the colder winter weather. This improved performance was supported by revenue generation from our expanded portfolio, notably our East Leamington, Montague and bottleneck energy storage facilities, which commenced commercial operation in 2024.



Despite near-term uncertainty in energy storage project development due to tariff changes and IRA uncertainty, we believe we will continue to see a solid performance in our storage segment throughout 2025 and 2026 due to the progress in securing safe harbor and batteries with low tariffs. Despite a slight year-over-year decline in our electricity segment due to curtailments in California and Nevada, our geothermal operations have continued to deliver consistent solid performance and results in line with our expectations.



We are optimistic about the growth potential of our geothermal business in 2025 and beyond, supported by potential easing of project permitting time lines, increased focus on geothermal exploration, strong demand for baseload renewable sources and high PPA pricing. I'm pleased to announce that we have signed an agreement to acquire the 20-megawatt Blue Mountain geothermal power plant from Zurich Energy for $88 million, subject to standard working capital adjustment. This plant located in Amble County, Nevada, was originally built by Ormat in 2009 and currently sells power to Envy Energy under a PPA expiring at the end of 2029.



We plan to upgrade the plant, adding an additional 3.5 megawatts of capacity expected by 2027. In addition, we plan to install 13 megawatts of solar to support the plant auxiliary system, subject to permitting and PPA approval. We anticipate finalizing this acquisition towards the end of the second quarter. Now before I turn the call over to Assaf to review the financial results for the quarter, I would like to briefly address the impact of tariffs announced by the U.S. government, a situation which is very fluid and being monitored closely by us.



We expect minimal impact to the electricity segment project development due to its limited exposure to China and the improved permitting process expected to be implemented in the United States. Our Energy Storage segment may face interim headwinds due to the tariffs from China affecting the import of storage equipment components. We are actively engaging with our suppliers and off-takers to mitigate these impacts and are evaluating other alternatives, including the evaluation of alternative supply chain strategies, increased procurement from the United States and other diversification strategies to ensure our project time lines and budgets remain on target.



We have also taken proactive measures to safeguard our growth in light of recent executive orders related to IRA tax credits. We have ensured that our geothermal projects qualify for PTC eligibility through 2028 and that our energy storage projects are eligible for ITC benefits through 2026 and beyond, securing our near-term growth trajectory. The demand for reliable renewable energy remains strong, and we believe that our proactive measures will allow us to effectively execute our strategy and grow in line with this demand. I will now turn the call over to Assaf to discuss our financial results. Assaf?

Thank you, Doron. Let me start my review of our financial highlights on Slide 6. Total revenue for the first quarter was $229.8 million, a 2.5% increase compared to last year's first quarter. This top line expansion was driven by strong performance in our Storage and Products segment, offset by a reduction in the electricity segment. Gross profit for the first quarter was $72.9 million, down 7.5% from $78.8 million in the first quarter of 2024, resulting in a consolidated gross margin of 31.7% versus 35.2% last year.



The decline was largely due to the electricity segment gross margin decrease, partially offset by improved performance in storage and product segments. Net income attributable to the company's stockholders was $40.4 million or $0.66 per diluted share compared to $38.6 million or $0.64 per diluted share in the first quarter of the prior year. Adjusted net income attributable to the company's stockholders was $41.5 million or $0.68 per diluted share, an increase of 4.8% and 4.6%, respectively. Adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter was $150.3 million, a 6.4% increase compared to last year.



The strong year-over-year increase was driven by a better performance in our Energy Storage segment and improved profitability in our product segment, leading to a quarterly record adjusted EBITDA in Ormat's history. Slide 6 breaks down the revenue performance at the segment level. Electricity segment revenues for the first quarter decreased by 5.8% to $180.2 million. This decline was due to the anticipated curtailment in Nevada from third-party transmission maintenance and curtailment in California due to wildfire.



The decline was partially offset by the performance of the Diaui power plant, which completed its upgrade in 2024 and is operating under improved PPA prices starting Q1 2025. Product segment revenues increased by 27.9% to $31.8 million during the first quarter, driven by our strong backlog. Energy Storage segment revenue increased by nearly 120% in the first quarter, mainly due to our new energy storage facilities, which commenced commercial operation during 2024 and strong merchant prices in the PJM market.



Moving to Slide 7. Gross margin for the electricity segment was 33.5% in the first quarter, down from 39% from last year. This margin conversion was due to lower revenue resulting from curtailment in Nevada and California. In the product segment, gross margin was 22.3%, up from 14.8% last year, driven by improved profitability on our contracts. We now expect gross margin for the year to be in the range of 19% to 21% in this segment. The Energy Storage segment reported gross margin of 30.6%, a significant improvement from 7.5% in Q1 2024.



This was driven by strong performance in the PGA merchant market, where cold weather along the East Coast contributed to elevated merchant pricing. We have made progress in transitioning the revenue and margin profile of the segment, achieving a greater degree of contracted revenues while benefiting from periodically pricing strength. With improved Q1 performance, we now anticipate full year gross profit as high as 20%. Breaking down adjusted EBITDA on Slide 7. The electricity segment generated 83% of Ormat's total consolidated adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter of 2025.



The Product segment generated 7% and the Energy Storage segment contributed 10% compared to 3% last year. Reconciliation of EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA are provided in the appendix slide. Moving to Slide 8. We recorded $17.6 million in income related to tax benefits in the first quarter compared to $17.5 million last year. In the first quarter, we recorded a $13.9 million of ITC benefit in the income tax line related to 2 storage facilities expected to come online in 2025. We anticipate receiving approximately $160 million in cash proceeds related to PTC and ITC benefit in 2025, mainly from tax equity transaction for the Heber complex, ITC benefits for storage assets that will COD in 2025 and PTC transfers.



We expect our tax rate will be positively impacted by the ITC benefits in 2025 with an annual tax benefit rate between 5% and 10%, excluding changes in law or onetime events. Looking at Slide 9. Our net debt as of March 31, 2025, was approximately $2.3 billion, equivalent to 4.2x net debt to EBITDA. Cash and cash equivalents and restricted cash and cash equivalents as of March 31, 2025, were approximately $225 million compared to $206 million at the end of 2024. Slide 9 breaks our use of cash flow over the last 12 months, illustrating Ormat's ability to generate strong cash flows to reinvest in a strategically grow the businesses while servicing our debt obligation and returning capital to shareholders.



Our total debt as of March 31, 2025, was approximately $2.6 billion, net of deferred financing costs with a cost of debt of 4.79%. The majority of our debt liabilities are at fixed interest rates, providing stability and protection from market fluctuations. During the first quarter, the company raised $200 million with variable interest rates. Moving to Slide 10. We have approximately $690.6 million of total available liquidity. Our total expected capital expenditure for 2025 increased to $597 million, mainly due to incremental CapEx for the geothermal and storage resulting from increased import tariffs as well as CapEx required to secure safe harbor for storage assets expected to come online beyond 2026. Detailed CapEx is presented in Slide 29 in the appendix.



We plan to invest approximately $275 million in the electricity segment for construction, exploration, drilling and maintenance in the last 3 quarters of 2025. Additionally, we plan to invest $130 million for the construction of our storage assets. On May 7, 2025, our Board of Directors declared, approved and authorized payment of quarterly dividend of $0.12 per share payable on June 4, 2025, to shareholders of record as of May 21, 2025. The company expects to pay a quarterly dividend of $0.12 per share in each of the next 2 quarters. That concludes my financial overview. I would like now to turn the call to Doron to discuss some of our recent developments.

Thank you, Assaf. Turning to Slide 12 for a look at our electricity segment operating portfolio. Portfolio growth during the quarter was positively supported by the recent COD of the Eden geothermal power plant, which we jointly own with PT Medco Power Indonesia. As we noted during our fourth quarter call, the Eden facility began operations of its first phase, delivering 35 megawatts to the Java grid with our share of the facility being 17 megawatts. We also recently signed a 10-year PPA with Calpine Energy Solutions for up to 15 megawatts of carbon-free geothermal capacity at favorable terms. This PPA will replace the current lower-priced PPA with Southern California Edison for Mammoth 2 in the first quarter of 2027.



Let's move to Slide 13 for an update on the operations of the electricity segment. At our Puna power plant in Hawaii, we are conducting maintenance work on one of the wells, which will result in a temporary decrease in electricity generation in the second quarter of 2025. This decrease is expected to negatively impact second quarter revenues and EBITDA by approximately $4 million and net profit by approximately $3 million. Additionally, we anticipate continued curtailment in the U.S. due to the maintenance work on the Envy Energy transmission line as previously announced.



Despite these impacts, we do not anticipate any changes to our annual guidance for revenues and EBITDA due to the expected completion of the Blue Mountain project acquisition by the end of the second quarter and improved profitability and EBITDA in our Product and Storage segment. Before moving on to the product segment, I would like to inform you of a recent management decision. Given the expansion in the number of power plants we own, our expected organic and M&A growth and the significant interest in drilling and exploration activities, I have decided to restructure the role of the electricity segment EVP into 2 distinct management positions. One will oversee the power plant operations, while the other will be responsible for drilling and exploration activities.



I'm confident that these changes will support Ormat's ongoing operation and growth. Turning now to Slide 14. Our product segment backlog stands at $314 million, up 142% compared to the first quarter of 2024. This increase was largely driven by the signing of a large EPC contract in New Zealand for the Te Mihi 2A 100-megawatt power plant and the Dominica BOT project. As we have previously highlighted, the revenues from this backlog will continue to be recognized over 2 years. Moving to Slide 15. Our Energy Storage segment experienced strong growth on a year-over-year basis with total revenues increasing 120%. Additionally, revenues in the PJM market were up by approximately 150% due to higher merchant prices and recent facilities that came online during the previous year.



We anticipate that this strong performance will continue throughout 2025 as we continue to see the benefits of our recently achieved COD energy storage facility. We made great progress during the quarter in advancing our energy storage portfolio expansion outside the U.S. We announced 2 separate 15-year tolling agreements in Israel in partnership with Allied Infrastructure Ltd., a leading Israeli infrastructure company. Our share of the project is 150 megawatts or 600 megawatt hours. These tolling agreements will provide stability and growth for our storage segment, which are an essential element of our growth strategy.



Moving to Slide 17. Despite the uncertain regulatory environment, we continue to remain on track to reach our portfolio capacity target of between 2.6 gigawatts to 2.8 gigawatts by year-end 2028. Our confidence is supported by the promising growth we are seeing in geothermal development and our efforts to ramp up exploration activity. It is further supported by progress we made in the storage segment to secure both batteries and safe harbor of additional projects and by the new expected development in Israel. Turning to Slide 18 and 19, which displays our geothermal and hybrid solar PV projects underway. We anticipate adding an additional 168 megawatts, including Blue Mountain to our generating capacity from geothermal and solar PV projects by the end of 2026. Moving to Slide 20 and 21.



We currently have 6 projects under development in our Energy Storage segment, which are expected to add 385 megawatts or 1.3 gigawatt hour to our portfolio. Our focus continues to remain on balancing contracted revenues and merchant market pricing exposure for profitability upside in our storage portfolio.



Please turn to Slide 22 for a discussion of our 2025 guidance. We expect total revenues to increase by 9% year-over-year at the midpoint, ranging between $935 million and $975 million. Electricity segment revenues are projected to be between $710 million to $725 million, Product segment revenues between $172 million and $187 million and energy storage revenues between $53 million and $63 million. Adjusted EBITDA is expected to increase by approximately 5% at the midpoint, ranging between $563 million and $593 million, with annual adjusted EBITDA attributable to minority interest at approximately $21 million.



I will end our prepared remarks on Slide 23. Despite potential tariff impact and potential changes in the IRA program that increased uncertainty, we believe the short-term impact on our operating segment is minimal. We remain committed to achieving our growth trajectory of 2.6 to 2.8 gigawatts of generating capacity by the end of 2028. Here are the reasons behind our confidence. First, we have proactively ensured that our geothermal projects are safe harbor for PTC eligibility through 2028 and ITC benefits for energy storage through 2026 and in some cases, beyond with efforts ongoing to secure additional projects.



These measures will help us navigate any changes to the IRA tax credit. Second, we continue to see exciting growth opportunities for geothermal driven by the expected easing of project permitting time lines and increased focus on geothermal exploration, which will further support growth in our electricity segment. Third, we are staying agile by collaborating closely with our suppliers and customers to mitigate tariff impact through supply chain adjustments and procurement enhancements with the goal that all our energy storage projects remain on schedule. Next, the demand for electricity, especially from renewable energy sources remains enormous to support AI data center and the transition to a cleaner energy future. Ormat is well positioned to meet this demand.



And finally, we are committed to continuous innovation and are exploring how to best develop and integrate EGS technology into our operations and future growth. We are evaluating several technologies that enhance underutilized power plants using EGS drilling techniques. Additionally, Ormat is pursuing strategic partnerships to develop new EGS projects and offer advanced solutions to potential EGS customers in our product segment. We believe the new management structure will enable us a greater focus on EGS. This is an exciting time for Ormat. As we look ahead, we will continue to focus on delivering reliable and sustainable energy solutions and leveraging our capabilities to deliver attractive and expanded shareholder value. This concludes our prepared remarks. Now I would like to open the call for questions. Operator, please.

Your first question comes from the line of Justin Clare with ROTH Capital.

I wanted to start out here just on the storage project development pipeline. And just wondering, it sounds like you had all of the batteries for 2025 and 2026 projects already imported before the significant increase in tariffs. But when we look a little further out, how could your development of storage projects be affected? Are you slowing anything down and kind of waiting to see how the supply chain develops? Maybe you could just share a little bit about what you're seeing now?

Thank you, Justin. So first of all, we need to see how the tariff will settle down at what price, at what percentage and how it will impact the different countries. But regardless of this, we see multiple alternatives to acquire batteries from different locations, not just from China. We are in contact with a few battery manufacturers that are building manufacturing facilities in the U.S. and are willing already to commit to sell batteries from the U.S. that will also have potentially a benefit on the IRA of the made in the U.S. benefits.



So we see that the market is getting ready to work on dealing with the tariffs. Internally, we are continuing all of our business development efforts, buying land as needed, interconnection, developing the project, getting them ready to pass project release once we have a better clear understanding of the tariffs and the IRA issues. And the last element that we are doing is we are developing projects also in Israel. We have 2 very large tenders that we won in Israel. Both the tenders are 300 megawatts, 1,200 megawatt hour and our share is 50% of that. In addition to that, we have additional projects that we are developing in Israel.



So I think if you look at it all around, we are continuing. We do believe that the energy storage market will continue to grow. It might be a different balancing point between cost and pricing. But we see that other developers as well as all the battery manufacturers are getting prepared to significant tariffs, but still maintain low pricing.

Very helpful. And then I just wanted to check in on how the tariffs may affect your cost for geothermal. I believe that your equipment is manufactured in Israel and then would be subject to the 10% universal tariff. So I just wanted to confirm that. And then just how much of impact could that have on the total CapEx for geothermal plants?

All in all, the impact is not material because when you look into the cost of CapEx of a power plant, it starts with the exploration, which is pure U.S., then the development and drilling, all of that is pure U.S. power. So the power that comes from Israel might be 25%, maybe 30% of the total cost. So if you add to that 10%, the general worldwide tariff, it's not very material. Israel had a 3% tariff before that. So all in all, it's not that material. And on top of that, we see the increase in PPA pricing that more than compensate for this increase.

And then just one final one. On the EGS technology, just wondering if you could talk about potential timing in which that technology might be implemented? And then do you see that as more expanding the opportunity set in terms of where you could develop geothermal plants? Or did I hear you say that you could actually enhance the performance of existing plants? Is that a possible opportunity?

I would say both. If we have power plants that have the capability to generate more electricity, so building an EGS, drilling some EGS wells using EGS technology, might increase the output of these facilities that we already have. On the EGS technology, I would say that we are working with partners and others to develop some technology. We will have some more information to update as we progress with this.



However, we need to take into account that there's still technological challenges. It's not just a question of the cost of the drilling. It's a question of how much water you use, how much water you lose during working on the -- operating the EGS facility, how the rocks cool due to the water that is running on them. So there are still some technological issues. But if and when the EGS technology will be available, I see that as a very nice upside to Ormat. We'll be able to develop much more power plants in more locations and not just be tied to specific locations.

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Strouse with JPMorgan.

This is Michael Fairbanks on for Mark. Maybe just ignoring potential changes to the IRA for a second. Are you hearing anything from a policy or a regulatory perspective that you think could help speed up the development of greenfield geothermal in the U.S.

Yes. It's a great question. A couple of weeks ago, the insurer issued an executive order dealing with permitting on BLM land, basically issuing a new -- I don't think it's exactly a new NIPA, but basically replacing the current process, a process that used to take us between 1 to 3 years under the order. It should take between 14 to 28 days. So since the order was issued, we have been working to prepare all the relevant new documentation to file it and see how the process works. It's a new process. So not everybody knows exactly what the outcome will be, but we are definitely pushing forward all of our greenfields that are eligible for this is only on Federal land forward, getting the relevant permits, drilling permits to expedite the development of greenfield in the U.S.

And then maybe just as a follow-up, given the strong quarter on storage and some of the headwinds in electricity, do you have an updated view on where gross margin should shake out for those segments for the year? And maybe just how that progresses throughout the year?

So as we said in our prepared remarks, storage margin this year is going towards the higher end of 20%. Initially, we thought at the beginning of the year that it will be slightly less than that. We also said in the prepared remarks that the product segment is moving up from 18% to 20% initially to 19% to 21%. I think on the electricity segment, we still need to finalize the numbers as it will move because of curtailment, but we are seeing a few points lower versus last year.

Your next question comes from the line of Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer.

This is Andre Adams on for Noah. Congrats on the Blue Mountain acquisition agreement. It sounds like you have a couple of value creation levers there. Could you give us some parameters on expected EBITDA contribution from the asset as it stands today and what timing and investment costs might be on the capacity expansion and solar project and what the contribution revenue and EBITDA would be once completed?

I'll start by saying that this is a very important transaction to Ormat because it shows how we can continue to grow in the U.S. and enhance as such. Second, we will provide more detailed information once we would own the assets. But as always, these assets, EBITDA multiple is lower double digit. And once we complete the lower double-digit multiple and once we complete all the upgrades, we're expecting it to go down significantly anywhere from 30% to 40%, like we did in the prior transaction.



I would also point out that it has a relatively short PPA, which is by the end of 2029. In this case, it's a big upside as the current prices are materially above our PPA prices, all historical prices that we've seen in geothermal for many, many years. And therefore, that will be another upside that once we complete the transaction and have a new PPA in 2029 and forward -- 2030 and forward, it will be another upside to the number. I will say though that on timing, the first step will be to enhance the facility and to add 3.5 megawatts. And that one we can start doing once we have the facility on hand, and we don't need any special approvals for it.



On the other hand, in order to add the solar, which is the key component for additional performance of this asset, we will need approval from the offtaker. And we believe that over time, we can get it because this offtaker in the past agreed for new PPAs that will allow solar. Hopefully, that answered the question.

Yes. And on the topic of PPA pricing and conversations, if you could just give us an update on PPA talks with hyperscalers in particular? And how much of the post 2029 recontracting opportunity you now have line of sight to for the existing portfolio?

On the recontracting and the PPA pricing, they remain high. I'd say that the current changes in the market hasn't impacted the demand for geothermal. We see PPA pricing above 100 from hyperscalers as well as from utilities companies as well as from CCAs. I think it's across the industry, PPAs above 100 we are negotiating multiple PPAs. Once we will sign a PPA, we'll obviously issue a press release and announce it to the market. But I can say that all of our negotiations have advanced since the last time we spoke. And hopefully, we'll be able to announce one once we sign it.

Your next question comes from the line of David Anderson with Barclays.

So sort of more of a conceptual question. So we're hearing about the hyperscalers and data center demand is increasing. And obviously, higher PPA prices put you in a good position. But overall, you don't have a lot of contracting option really over the next 5 years of all your assets. Just curious how you're -- what are some of the levers you have to capture some of that higher PPA? You mentioned the M&A and that takes a little longer. Are there M&A opportunities out there? How are you thinking about greenfield? And then you've mentioned a few times EGS. I'm just kind of curious where you are on that. So how can we capture this sort of this market dynamic today in your numbers?

Look, we have increased significantly our exploration activities over the last 2 years, and we see quite a few greenfields that are in advanced exploration stages and should get to the market in '28 and '29 and onwards. All of these greenfields will be under this new PPA regime of the higher PPAs, some of them will probably go to hyperscalers. Some will go to utilities. Others might be a 3-way contract between Ormat, a hyperscaler and the utility. But the most utilizing better PPA will be through these new greenfields coming online as well as recontracting.



Blue Mountain is one at the end of '29, but we have Stillwater and saltwater that are also coming online, and we see this demand increasing. Regarding EGS, as I said, we are focusing on a few new technologies and new investments that we are looking into the EGS as well as developing some specific with partners of EGS processes and technologies. And once we will have something more concrete, we will announce to the market.

So on that exploration you're talking about, presumably, that's going to be developed with your binary cycle current techniques. I'm just curious on the exploration side. I know you have an agreement with Schlumberger or a partnership or I'm not exactly sure what it is. Perhaps you can talk about how you see them helping you get there? I'm assuming there's potential for efficiencies and completions and all that. I'm just -- could you talk through a little bit on that exploration and how you get to commerciality?

Yes. So exploration, as you said, all of our power plants that we build are built based on the binary and Ormat technology. So we build them ourselves to us. We do not use third-party technology. We believe our technology is superior to others. Regarding Schlumberger, we have a cooperation agreement with them on developing new projects that either us or them could bring to the table. Obviously, once a project will come from this collaboration, they will do the drilling. We will do the above-ground construction, and that will increase our product sales on one hand. And if it will be an Ormat project, then Ormat growth numbers, the electricity segment.

Your next question comes from the line of Ben Cowell with Baird.

Just first, as we look at your '28 targets, there's several moving pieces with higher PPA prices maybe than you anticipated and then maybe some uncertainty in energy storage. I'm just wondering, I mean, we're still in '25, the middle of '25, but how you guys are thinking about your ability to meet those targets at this point? And then I have a follow-up.

Welcome to join us. When we looked at 2028 targets based on the geothermal and the energy storage, we have a detailed plan internally that lists all the potential projects that should come online. We know what we are drilling today on the geothermal part, what exploration on what sites we're doing exploration. Obviously, we know that there's not 100% success. So we are using some statistics over there to see which one will come online.



And on the energy storage part, we've announced all the '25, '26 projects. We now I also mentioned the 2 Israeli large, very large projects that we are building. We have additional projects that we are building in Israel, and we are continuing to develop projects in the U.S. to be ready once the uncertainty of the tariffs and the IRA will go away. I can tell you that the fact that there is uncertainty is not a mystery, and we are negotiating with some of our potential customers taking into account this uncertainty and sharing the risk with our customers in order to continue and develop the project.



I don't think that the energy storage in the U.S. is going to disappear regardless of the outcome of the tariff or the IRA. I believe it's going to get to a new structure, maybe a new steady state, if CapEx will be a bit higher, then pricing will be higher. We do see a continuous reduction in battery prices that offset some of the increase in the tariffs. So I believe it will continue. But we do have a detailed plan how to get to the 2028 end of the year target that we put for both geothermal and energy storage.

I appreciate that. Just maybe if you could expand on the electricity restructure you mentioned, what the changes operationally or financially or any details you can give there?

Yes. Thank you. Over the last couple of years, we have increased our fleet through acquisition of the Enel asset and now the Blue Mountain asset and organic growth that we have and the growth that we see coming in the next few years. And in parallel to that, we increased significantly the exploration and drilling. And this year, we're planning around $150 million of CapEx only on exploration and drilling.



We believe we will keep the same level in the coming years. And as such, and in order to respond to the great demand in the U.S., I thought it was right to have 2 separate management members focused and dedicated on this 2, on 1 hand, maintaining and increasing the performance of the electricity segment. And on the other hand, making sure that the drilling is efficient, resource is working across multiple sites at the same time and also have the ability to focus on EGF in addition.



So it's a way for Ormat to get more aligned with the market demand and to be able to respond to the market demand for renewable electricity.

I will now turn the call back over to Doron Blachar for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Thank you all for joining us on the call today and your continued support. We see the increased demand for renewable energy. We see the increased support from the administration for geothermal, for developing geothermal across the U.S. And we are doing everything that we can in order to capture this potential and translate it into profitable growth. So thank you all.

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.