WiSA Technologies Inc

NASDAQ:WISA

Good day, and welcome to the WiSA Technologies Third Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. And now I would like to turn the conference over to David Barnard from LHA Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Marliese. As a reminder, this is the third quarter results conference call for WiSA Technologies. With us today is Brett Moyer, CEO and President. Before turning the call over to Brett, I'd like to remind everyone that today's conference call will include forward-looking statements, which are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from these statements. Any such forward-looking statements should be considered in conjunction with the cautionary statements in our earnings release and risk factors discussed in our filings with the SEC. WiSA assumes no obligation to update any of these forward-looking statements except as required by law. With that, I'll turn the call over to Brett. Please go ahead, Brett.

Thank you, David, and thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for joining the call today. Today, we will not be going over the financials we filed the Q last night. If you have questions on financials, I'll take those during the Q&A. But 60 days ago at the end of July -- 90 days ago, at the end of July, we launched the WiSA E module, which is a major 4-year milestone for the company. So what we're going to focus on today is what happened in the next 90 days. So what do we do in July or August, September, October, and I think you'll find that we really had tremendous success in the launch and getting this product out into the market. So we'll just go through two quick slides if there's new people listening to the webcast. WiSA is about wireless audio, spatial audio. If you look at what the Dolby and Xperi or DTS are doing, they're trying to bring in elevated audio as well as front back, rear side audio, traditionally the home theater stuff. So WiSA's role in it is to make sure that we can get whatever audio is being decoded by the TV or the AV receiver or a smart device to the speakers, all the speakers make sure they're in sync with the video and in sync with each other so you have a truly immersive, flawless, wireless audio. The other role WiSA does is we have a WiSA Association which is designed to make sure that when a product says WiSA or WiSA E on it, the market knows the consumer knows that, that product will work with any others that is interoperable, and we think that's a very important thing. It's important to the speaker companies. It's important to all the audio companies as well as if you've a smart device, a phone or a TV, you want to know that the consumer has options to listen to the content on your smart device and it works with multiple brands. So that's the crux of it. Historically, we've had really premium audio brands chips designing and shipping our products. But today, let's talk about WiSA E. So we had launched WiSA with custom chips, a lot of IP took us a while developed. But as we've talked about in the last several years, our goal was to get to a software-based technology that can be loaded on to low-cost Wi-Fi chips, whether they are 2.4 gigahertz, 5 gigahertz can be loaded on to smart devices without additional hardware. And with that launch at the end of July, we now have a full suite of WiSA E products to go out and talk to customers about. We have the DS module, which is on the expressive IoT module that handles up to 4 channels, and we'll talk about a soundbar at launch with that last week. We have the WiSA E modules, which is what we sampled at the end of July, and that includes the software that can be also loaded into a smart device directly to transmit to speakers. So let's talk about the soundbar that was launched last week. It was previously announced that we started shipping customers is the Platin Audio 5.1.4 Milan soundbar. We have talked for 18 months now that one of the great things about DS is it can handle 5 audio channels, and it can give you the ability to have Atmos speakers at a very low cost in the rear of the room. So you got left rear, you got audio coming from the left side from the right side and audio going up above you, hitting the ceiling, coming back down to give you that truly immersive sound. So when you look at the Milan 5.1.4, you got 2 rear speakers that are also 2 ceiling speakers, and you have a soundbar that's adding 2 up-firing speakers. So there's really 4 speakers sending audio to the ceiling. There's total of 10 speakers or 6 going directly at ear level where you're sitting. So the combination creates a truly immersive sound. Now if you go out and look at some of your Tier 1 audio companies, Samsung, LG, the [ SoundBoardGuys ], Klipsch, you'll see these type of products selling at $1,200, $1,800. This product is being launched at an MSRP at $799. It's -- has a launch promo at $699 right now. And for anybody listening to this call or reading the press release today, you have 48 hours to go to platinaudio.us and enter promo code WiSA E to test this audio system out. So we think it's a great demo for investors to understand WiSA E and how does it work. What's the quality of the audio that's being wirelessly transmitted. We think it's a great audio product, and we're offering that 48-hour opportunity for people to test it. But you have to go to platinaudio.us, and then WiSA E for the promo code. All right. WiSA E. So a month ago, give or take, we announced a licensing -- free license from the associations to any members, to TV and display members. So that's TVs and projectors. We think -- we thought that was an exciting idea. We have spent the last 4 weeks presenting 2 TV guys. We'll go through some of the stats. But why did we do that? Because TVs are extremely sensitive to their bill of material cost. It's a highly competitive market. And by offering the transmit software to TVs for free, it creates a lot of use cases for them. It doesn't matter whether there's these low-end TV, a high-end TV, a gaming TV or a projector, they all have less audio than what most consumers desire. So by having a 3 WiSA E embedded software to transmit to speakers, it opens up a lot of use cases. So it can go -- the TV could go straight to the soundbar that would eliminate all the HDMI cables or it can go another level. And since the TV decodes audio and the soundbar decodes audio, we have the ability to go directly to the soundbar or speakers and eliminate the cost of decoding and the electronics and the soundbar. We think that could drop $25 to $50 off of the retail price of low-end soundbars. Some of what the response we got are TVs, particularly this is true in the China brands is they'd like to just simply get a left and right Dario speakers around their TV with a subwoofer to get that better sound, but at a low cost. So that's a great use case. Headphones for elderly people that have a hard time hearing, for gamers that don't want to wake up the whole house. There's no reason that TV can't use WiSA E to stream directly to headphones designed with WiSA E, or more sophisticated TVs, which if you look hard, you'll see them in the U.K., but a lot of the TV companies are looking at it, of adding speakers in the top of the TV as well as the bottom of the TV, which is where they are today, traditionally, so that Atmos is coming out of the front of the room to the ceiling -- from the TV directly or -- and if you have WiSA E, then you could add Atmos speakers just like that soundbar we walked through and subwoofers for the back of the room. So -- or you can make combinations anywhere you want. So we thought a month ago by offering this opportunity, it would give the TV guys a great opportunity to start thinking about different design applications that serve the customer better. So why WiSA E? There's other not as dominant or not a sophisticated technologies. Well, as we talked about, the program we now have are offering is a 0 cost to bottom. We have the high audio channel counts that we can support Dolby Atmos. We have interoperability between brands. We have a speaker ecosystem and would maybe not be completely transparent to the average investor, most TVs have 2 or 3 SoCs that they use to cover their whole product line. So one of the advantages of WiSA E has, is you can implement it at your low end, at your midrange or your high end and whatever audio products, whether they're soundbar, speakers, subwoofers, you design, it will work across all your TV line. And finally, as we talked about, we think WiSA E creates the opportunity to lower prices on audio products by eliminating the duplication of audios and soundbars in TVs. So what's gone on since we launched at the end of July. We've had more than 60 meetings, presentation, demos across 30 companies. So frequently, this means we've gone back 2 or 3 times to some of the bigger companies to make sure the audio divisions, the TV divisions, the technology approval people are all going through and reviewing WiSA E or testing WiSA E and demonstrating WiSA E. We have 13 brands specifically around the licensing opportunity that we announced 30 days ago. We've met with 13 of them, 7 of them have -- are currently reviewing the licensing agreement right now. We think this is great progress by the sales team and the WiSA Association to be to so quickly have 7 brands reviewing our license agreement. And then finally, the final milestone for -- or people trying to track our progress is we've shipped more than 85 development boards for WiSA E modules to let brands test, develop, et cetera, on WiSA E, and that's worldwide. All regions for consumer electronics. Finally, we think there's going to be a lot of press coming up at CES just before -- just after CES. But we will say that one of the big things is we will show a Tier 1 TV brand with WiSA E embedded in it, streaming using just our software to speakers. We think that's a fundamental milestone that will excite the industry. We think all these meetings we've had will drive executives into the WiSA boost and that we'll have a very successful CES, and we think all this activity will impact 2024s revenue materially. So with WiSA E, we've talked a lot today about the TV being able to go to audio speakers or soundbars or even smart speakers. We think that's important. But as you look forward into 2022 -- I'm sorry, 2024, you'll see more and hear more about implementations and expansion of the technology to allow WiSA E to be on phones or tablets as well as the TV reaching all audio devices. So we're excited about the response over the first 90 days. There are companies that are starting to design with the WiSA E module. We think it materially impacts our 2024. We think there's quite a bit of use cases that will be demonstrated and announced both at CES and in 2024. There will be TV partnerships, speaker partnerships and strategic partnering as we go through the first half of next year. So finally, this slide if you've watched us is very similar. But look, we have a very strong IP position. We have WiSA E complete enable. We can talk to and engage customers at every level, whether it's the low-cost 2.4 solution, DS, whether it's the embedded solution and direct implementation, we've got an established speaker association that is unparalleled in the industry, and there's 30-plus brands that have designed and used WiSA technology historically that really is partly driving why we've had so many meetings quickly. We're not launching WiSA E into a vacuum as a new company. We've launched WiSA E in 3 different flavors, 3 different cost points into an established customer base of WiSA. And with that, operator, I'd like to open up the call to questions.

[Operator Instructions] And we have a question coming from Jack Vander Aarde from Maxim Group.

Brett, thanks for the update. Good to hear WiSA E, new product launches on track. I have a couple of questions on financials, obviously, but -- and on the outlook. Let me start on the WiSA E and some of the stats you discussed. Just to try to understand things a little better. Okay. So you have 60-plus meetings for the WiSA E so far across 30-plus companies. And I'm going to zero-in-on the 7 display brands that are reviewing licensing agreements. Can you maybe -- just to start explaining at a high level what the licensing agreement process kind of is or whatever you think -- however you think it might play out? How many stages are involved? What's kind of the timing of this? And then what does it mean from a potential revenue and revenue ramp perspective?

Okay. So let's go one level higher, Jack, to the 13 and the TV display companies we've talked to. So this really has covered all the primary TV companies, whether they're Chinese, Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese brands. We've covered them all. The licensing program in terms of a process, first, we have the demo, offer the program. The program is specifically driven around WiSA interoperability. So if you're willing to transmit a WiSA E interoperable signal, then we are offering a free license to the TV display companies. If you're not willing and you want to use our technology to only transmit to your brand, then there's a pricing discussion around that because as our mission has been historically, is to build a global interoperable brand that works both with audio and display devices. So you have to be a member of WiSA. There is a limited time to join. Why is that? And there's a limited time to sign the membership agreement or if you're a member to sign the addendum to the agreement that gives you the right to use WiSA E in your display device. From an economics perspective, we'll make our money off of the modules. WiSA E modules, whether they're going into soundbars or speakers, et cetera. From a timing perspective, there are a couple of TVs that are -- brands that are pushing to try to implement in '24. But I think the majority of the TV brands, if they implement will be 2025 modules. Now the TV brands are not the only ones that are implementing WiSA E. So that's why we mentioned that we think materially WiSA E will impact 2024. So you can have media servers, you can have speaker companies, you can have soundbars. All those people move faster. But what's being worked on in the TV brands right now are -- is primarily the 2025 product line. Now our engineering team has come up with what we think is a genius solution if you want to just use 4 channels, which is great for rear Atmos speakers or is great if you want to -- like the Chinese companies are talking about put just stereo and subwoofers around the front of the room and their TV. That we think is capable of -- we implemented onto the 2024 product line and is a 90-day-ish type implementation time line.

Okay. Great. Okay. Got you. So a couple of different -- okay, those are some important nuances for sure. The revenue is -- okay. So you still expect a pretty strong push from WiSA E in 2024 from a revenue line, probably not so much from the TV guys right off the bat, but they -- but these are all important drivers of the funnel. It sounds like bigger picture-wise. But you do think you'll have some revenue coming in from WiSA E maybe in the fourth quarter or at least in the first half of '24? Is that correct?

I think you can anticipate midyear to write at that Q2, Q3 time frame for WiSA E to start impacting revenue. Probably from your position, you'd want to model it as a Q3.

Got you. okay. That's helpful. And I don't want to -- I know it's not official guidance or anything like that. So I just want to make sure I have a general directional idea. It's good to hear, though, Brett. Okay. Let me shift gears and quick to something up and bolts kind of housekeeping financial questions. So in terms of the revenue guidance that you provided last -- from last quarter or a couple of quarters ago, your revenue for the third quarter exceeded your expectation. It seems like that was good to see. Now you provided fourth quarter revenue guidance of $1 million to $1.4 million for the fourth quarter. And then for 2024, you had 1 point provided $10 million to $15 million of revenue, which may have had some impact from the potential pending acquisition of Comhear. So just wondering, can you just reiterate or review kind of what your expectations are now or if that guidance still holds true for the fourth quarter and for 2024?

Right. So the $10 million to $15 million on the full year was two conferences ago, and that was with Comhear in our P&L. And I think I said baseline was $5 million for each, and each company was targeting $10 million, So that put us in the $10-plus million range. So that was that guidance. Regarding Comhear, we are still active with them. We think there's a good synergy. They are wrapping up their strategic customer and that's the trigger for us to get to a final definitive agreement. From a quarterly perspective, Q3 was stronger than we expected. Some of that I would anticipate coming from Q4, but clearly, Q4 is the holiday season. So in the next 5 weeks are the big sales weeks for the Platin line, we just launched the soundbar, which really is a stunning product and an amazing value for that type of price point, any one of those prices I showed earlier. So as that rolls out, we hope that -- we expect that to positively impact both traffic coming to WiSA on building the awareness of WiSA itself with consumers as well as driving some additional revenue for us.

Got you. Okay. So just to review fourth quarter though, you still expect a seasonally strong quarter. Is the guidance range still true? Or are we -- do you expect the quarter just to be stronger than the third quarter?

So I think if the consumer does the right thing, it going to be in the target of -- in the range of Q3. So could we did pull in some revenue from Q4 into Q3, effectively.

Yes. Got you. okay. That's helpful, Brett. And then if I move on to just gross margin, which obviously is -- there was an explanation covered in the press release, in the 10-Q. But just trying to get a read through on kind of your expectations then from an analyst perspective, more or less. So what are you expecting like -- just in general, do you expect kind of more of a normalized gross margin? Or do you expect kind of a similar results, I guess, in the near term until the WiSA E licensing kind of kicks in next year?

Yes. So the gross -- there's good news and the bad news of the gross margin. So let's just put those pieces together. The assessment of the 60-odd meetings that we had, we think more designs in the audio file space are going to get implemented in WiSA E versus WiSA HT. So that's one of the reasons we modified our inventory reserve on it. So bad news we took the reserve. Good news is we took it because we're getting very strong feedback from the technology evaluations on WiSA E. From a audio product perspective, we think they'll continue in the low teens. Our mission there is convert inventory into cash effectively versus margin because as we look into Q3 and Q4, it's all about WiSA E products. So we only market audio products like a soundbar or speakers to drive consumer awareness around WiSA and then demonstrate performance of our technology with the consumer to potential customers of ours, which is particularly an example of the soundbar. So I think as you look at speaker margins, it's probably the high teens through Q2.

[Operator Instructions] And since there are no further questions at this time. I will turn the conference back over to Brett Moyer for some closing remarks. Thank you.

I'd like to thank everybody for joining us either today or on the webcast later today and tomorrow. I would like to remind you that WiSA E is launched and the first product that we can offer to the consumers directly is the soundbar, the 5.1.4 Milan soundbars and there's a great opportunity to get that just ahead of Christmas at $649. If you use WiSA E as a promo code at platinaudio.us. That's my commercial, but thanks for joining. Appreciate it.

And this concludes the conference. We -- thank you very much for today's presentation. You may now disconnect.