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Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2021-Q4

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Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Klabin's conference call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded and broadcast simultaneously via webcast. You may access it at Klabin's Investor Relations website, where the presentation is also available for download. Forward-looking statements that might be made during this conference in relation to Klabin's business outlook, projections, operating and financial targets and potential growth should be understood as forecasts based on the company management expectations in relation to the future of Klabin. Such expectations are highly dependent on market conditions, on Brazil's overall economic performance and on the industry and the international market behavior. Therefore, they are subject to change. With us today we have Mr. Cristiano Teixeira, CEO; Marcos Ivo, CFO and Investor Relations Officer; and the other officers of the company. Initially, Mr. Teixeira and Mr. Ivo will comment on the company's performance during the fourth quarter of 2021. After that, all the officers will be available to answer any questions that you might have. Now I will turn the floor over to Mr. Teixeira.

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Welcome, everyone, to Klabin's conference call about the fourth quarter of 2021 results. As you know, the last quarter of the year is a seasonally strong period in terms of market sales for products offered by Klabin. The quarter continued to have a global economy still recovering from the economic impact of COVID-19, when all of a sudden there was a new problem with the arrival of the Omicron variant causing interruptions in the production chains and also the supply chains and the lack of labor, besides the operating difficulties of logistic shippings that we have in the quarter. Klabin, with the integrated, diversified, flexible business model, continued to [ experiment ] a good demand for Klabin's products mainly exposed to more resilient markets, such as hygiene, food, beverages and packaging, also based on a very good commercial strategy. Thus, Klabin reached once again a cash generation measured by the EBITDA of BRL 1.9 billion in the quarter, a 70% increase on a year-on-year comparison. And for the whole year of 2020, an annual EBITDA record, BRL 6.9 billion, reinforcing our trust in the path that we have followed so far. In pulp, the supply and demand balance was reached with different consumption among geographies of strong demand in Europe, U.S. and Latin America; China, with the domestic market still under pressure by logistics but still operating with good price movements. Klabin is the only producer in Brazil of the 3 kinds of pulp and shows flexibility in the sales mix among the regions. In the kraftliner market, the U.S. domestic demand continued to be consistent and ended up reducing the supply of paper to other markets, favoring price increases and stimulating the packaging paper global dynamic. During the fourth quarter, Klabin started sales to the market of the newest paper, Eukaliner, already having positive returns from clients about the performance. At the end of the year, MP 27 already reached 70% utilization rate of its production capacity. In packaging, the last quarter showed a deceleration in consumption, felt by Klabin and by the market in general. This did not have any impact on the accumulated results, which was very good, obtained in 2021. And on February 8, recently we announced our new step in the cycle of growth in packaging with a notice to the market regarding the increase in the conversion of the corrugated box unit in Horizonte Ceara, with an investment of BRL 188 million. In coated board, demand continues to be very strong, mainly for liquid packaging paper board, in Brazil and in other regions. And the new machine, the MP 28, is already being built and already represents 14% completion. We highlight the renewal of the participation of Klabin in the Dow Jones Sustainability Index in 2 categories as well as the business leaders group of the COP 26 that occurred in Glasgow. Our results show an increase in sales in all the businesses, with a reduction in our leverage compared to the previous quarter and record annual adjusted EBITDA, reflecting the efficient allocation of capital of the company, cash generation and value creation for our shareholders. Now I would like to turn the floor over to Marcos Ivo, who will talk about the financials of the fourth quarter.

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Marcos Paulo Conde Ivo
executive

Thank you, Cristiano. Good morning, everybody, and thank you for participating in our call. Once again we delivered a strong result quarter, confirming once again the strength of Klabin's business model and the predictability of its results. Among the highlights, there are a few I would like to mention: net revenue of BRL 4.6 billion, an upswing of 39% year-on-year; adjusted EBITDA margin, 41%, an increase of 7 percentage points vis-a-vis the same period in 2020, net of nonrecurrent effects; and ROIC of 19.5%. Now let's go to Page #4, where we show you the volume of sales increasing by 1% year-on-year, reaching 950,000 tons in the quarter. And this growth was driven by the sales volume produced by Machine #27. Net revenue went up 39% year-on-year due to the strong demand for Klabin's products and also the price adjustment that we had over the year and also the exchange rate devaluation in the period. The net revenue growth in all business lines on a year-on-year basis, in spite of some cost pressures, drove adjusted EBITDA that reached BRL 1.884 billion in the quarter, a 70% increase vis-a-vis the fourth quarter of 2020, net of nonrecurrent effects. Now going to the next slide, Slide #5, I would like to mention that the results of 2021 represent the 12th consecutive increase in Klabin's EBITDA. The sales volume in the year was [ 3.6 million tons], 6% higher on a year-on-year comparison, coming from the incremental volume of the corrugated box units that were acquired from International Paper do Brasil and sales of Machine #27. And net revenue went up 38% year-on-year, with a positive performance in all segments. Price adjustments that drove the net revenue performance more than offset the higher costs. And the result was a record adjusted EBITDA that reached BRL 6.865 billion, with a 46% growth on a year-on-year comparison, and expansion of the margin to 42% in 2021. On Slide #6, benefiting from the price recovery and an annual comparison as well as the flexible sales mix between and among geographies and the portfolio with the 3 types of fiber -- short, long and fluff -- the pulp net revenue was BRL 1.5 billion in the quarter, a 56% increase if we compare to the same period in 2020. The pulp production cash cost was BRL 1,069 per ton, a 42% increase on a year-on-year comparison. And this increase is explained by the higher participation of fluff in the sales mix, by the hike in the price of both chemicals and fuels and the inflation in the period. Additionally, as planned and outlined in our previous communications to the market, our notices to the market, third-party wood participation increased because of Puma II. The EBITDA per ton of pulp sold reached BRL 2,439 in the quarter, a major growth, 87%, if we compare to the fourth quarter of 2020, showing the evolution of profitability of the pulp business even with a challenging scenario on the cost side. Now on Page 7, net revenue for kraftliner in the quarter was significantly higher, 106% in the annual comparison, thanks to higher sales volume and favorable market conditions, which have driven up the price of this product. Measured by [ Europe ForEx ], the price in dollars per ton was up 41% compared to the same period of 2020. Supply and demand for this product is well balanced, indicating the steady current market conditions, which favors sales volume from Machine 27. Turning to Page 8, at the end of December, Klabin's net debt was BRL 20.9 billion, BRL 966 million higher vis-a-vis the prior quarter. That can be explained by the Brazilian currency depreciation against the dollar, which affects the dollar-denominated debt, and by the negative free cash flow in the period. Leverage, measured by net debt over EBITDA indicator in dollars, went from 2.1x at the end of September to 2.9x in December. It is worth mentioning that this is the same leverage we had when Puma II was announced in April of 2019. On the next slide, Klabin's liquidity remains robust and ended the quarter at BRL 11.2 billion. Liquidity is comprised by BRL 8.4 billion in cash and the remainder in a revolving credit line. Average debt maturity between 2022 and 2023 period, in which Puma II is still under construction, is of approximately BRL 1.4 billion a year, a comfortable level for the company. Debt average tenor by the end of 2021 was of 105 months, or around 9 years, just like in the prior quarter. Let me remind you that Klabin has contracted and not yet withdrawn credit lines in an amount higher than the CapEx to be disbursed until the conclusion of Puma II, as detailed in the release. Turning to Page 10, adjusted free cash flow net of discretionary factors and expansion projects was positive in BRL 1.1 billion in the quarter, driven by our strong EBITDA. In the last 12 months, adjusted free cash flow was of BRL 3.8 billion, representing a free cash flow yield of 13.2%. Now turning to Page 11, as published yesterday in our shareholders' notice, the company approved a dividends payment of BRL 377 million to be paid on February 25. In the accrual basis, total amount of dividends distributed to shareholders was BRL 779 million for fiscal year 2021. Klabin's full dividends and interest on equity policy is available in our IR website. Now on Slide 12, the first stage of Puma II, which started production in August 30, follows its ramp-up as planned. In 2021, Machine 27 production reached 99,000 tons, confirming our forecast and our last earnings call. The second stage of the project, which will include a coated board machine, is under construction, on schedule, and its start-up is planned for the second quarter of 2023. Since the beginning of Puma II, BRL 7.9 billion have been disbursed, and out of those, BRL 759 million in the fourth quarter of 2021. For 2022, as mentioned in our Klabin Day, we plan to disburse BRL 4.8 billion of CapEx as follows: BRL 2.750 billion for Puma II; BRL 520 million in special projects and expansion projects as well, including, in addition to what we already have reported, investments in the packaging unit in Horizonte, which was announced just this week; and the remainder in industrial maintenance and forestry CapEx. On the next page, we highlight our main achievements and recognitions in ESG in this quarter. For the second year in a row, we are part of the Dow Jones Sustainability Index in 2 categories: world and emerging markets. We had a record number of companies that were in this, and we are one of the 10% that were assigned this category. We are for the ninth year in a row in the B3's ISE. We also celebrated joining CDP's AAA, being Klabin the first company in Latin America to reach the top rating for climate change, forestry and water security programs. And that is an exclusive group of only 14 companies in the world. We also received a new certification from FSC, an international organization, attesting the sustainability of our [ fine ] kraft lignin, a byproduct of our forests. These acknowledgments, among others, are thanks to the ESG integration to our strategy. Now Cristiano and all the other officers and myself will be available to take your questions in the Q&A.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Caio Greiner, from BTG Pactual.

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Caio Greiner
analyst

I have 2 questions about your commercial strategy for pulp and geographies. You were talking about the European markets and the U.S. market. And could you share your geographical breakdown? Do you believe that you will be producing more with higher prices in the relevant -- ? And how do you see this? China and India still raising prices? And I would like to know about your commercial strategy for the short run. And the second question, what about the client feedback about Eukaliner? Because they are receiving Eukaliner now, and they are using it. So what about the evaluations, the assessment on the part of your clients in terms of productivity? And have you had any negative feedback about Eukaliner that could hinder the overall perception of your clients about Eukaliner?

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Thank you, Caio. Nico will talk about the commercial strategy for pulp, and then Flavio will talk about the feedback of Eukaliner clients.

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Alexandre Nicolini
executive

Caio, thank you for the question. And as we usually mention, we have a flexible business model for the pulp business unit. We work with a percentage of contracted volume in some regions, but we also have a percentage in which we have a flexibility in terms of channeling to the markets where we believe that there is a better profitability. For 2022, very much because of the situation, especially regarding logistic bottlenecks regarding containers, we are placing more strength of our sales in more mature markets: Europe, United States. And we have a relevant participation in Brazil, just to remind you. But without leaving China, because it's still an important market, a growth market, but also thinking about the distributions that may lead us to maximize our results. From the prices viewpoint, China has been recovering since mid last year. As you know, increases were implemented in January, and we announced an additional for February. People are coming back from the Chinese New Year already, and discussions have already started about sales for February. Nevertheless, we understand that these $50 will be implemented during this month. Regarding Europe and U.S., we made price announcements not only for short fiber but for the others as well. And in long fiber, $40 increase in Europe for January. And for February, we announced an increase as well, and this will start over the next few weeks. For eucalyptus, $30, and discussions start this month, but our expectation is that this price has a very good chance to be implemented. For fluff, price increases were bigger: $50 in January, $50 in February, and we have already announced $110. Discussions in January have already been implemented. February, under negotiation. And for March, a very good expectation for the implementation because this market continues to have a very high demand.

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Flávio Deganutti
executive

Here, Flavio Deganutti, Caio. Last year, we produced almost 100,000 tons. And we have a very big advantage. We have a very big conversion in boxes for fruit, for protein, for ecommerce. So a major part of Eukaliner produced initially was transformed into boxes, and then we started to export to the main destinations. South America is a major destination; Argentina; Chile; besides the main countries in the south of Europe that have already received the material. As we said, confirming the dozens of tests that we carried out for performance, for speed, they have a very good performance because you can dry this very quickly and you save energy. And also, reducing the [indiscernible] and the compression allows a reduction of up to 10% in the boxes. And the expected quality, that is the printing quality that we already expected, mainly compared to long fiber papers. So to a large extent, this was confirmed here in-house, and now we have the confirmation from our clients.

Operator

Our next question is from Daniel Sasson, Itaú.

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Daniel Sasson
analyst

My first question is about cash costs. We have seen a mix of third-party wood with a higher weight in your cost mix, with a greater need of fibers after starting up Puma II. I would like to know which are your expectations about cash costs for 2022, if we are still going to see this cash cost [ axe stoppage ] going up in the next quarters or if this is going to be stable. And my second question is that we have seen in this quarter a difference between production and sales of papers, and if we put together paper and conversion, of a little over 60,000 tons. And I would say it has to do with the lead time with the production of paper until you get that to your clients. Is that right? Can we see -- can we find a sales catch-up in the next quarters even going over production? Or do you have another explanation for that increase in the inventory level?

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Thank you, Sasson. Marcos Ivo is going to comment on the wood cash cost. And then either me or him or someone else can talk about sales from now on and the difference in sales production basically because of logistics impact. And that should get normal because of the impact quarter-on-quarter or because the problem will end and we are going to ship whatever is in the chain. So this is a problem that is not related to the product sale, but it has more to do with the logistics chain. Regarding cash costs, now turning to Marcos, I just would like to comment something before. And it's important because that has to do with our growth structure, how we intend the company to grow. And this first cycle for Puma II, we got wood from third parties, and during that period that we used this wood that is far from us. So during this period of time, we are buying land that is closer to Klabin, and we started the forestry process. And in the second cycle of that wood, we believe that this average distance will come down and we'll go back to verticalization levels with owned wood. And that will be happening at the same time as we reduce distance to where we got the wood from. So in terms of structure, Klabin's costs will come down in the second cycle. But now let's turn -- let's be more specific.

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Marcos Paulo Conde Ivo
executive

Well, just adding to what Cristiano said, still on inventory, this is not market. This is logistics. And this variation that we see in each quarter has to do with our schedule in terms of downtime. So over the year, when you see the full year or in 12 months, you will see Klabin selling what it produces, as it has been in our history in the past few years. About costs, Cristiano already explained the concept, but I would like to bring another topic. We are working on this topic with a lot of transparency with the financial markets. So since we announced the Puma II project in April of 2019, we presented a deep explanation about wood. It is in some of our presentations and some documents. It's on our website. And even last May when we migrated the machine to coated board machine. So that means that for the first 6 years, considering Puma II is an eucalyptus project, for the first 6 years it will have third-party wood, and that has an impact in the wood price. How do we see that in the future? We had the first step now in 2021 when we started the production in Machine 27. Now we are going to have another step in 2022. The magnitude is a little lower than what you see when you look at the line of cash costs of pulp, where we have more details, and when you consider the fibers line. When you compare the cost of fibers in the fourth quarter of 2021 to the fourth quarter of 2020, what we expect in terms of increase for 2022 is a little bit less than that magnitude. That will then stabilize, and it is going to come down starting 2025, 2026, when Klabin will be switching third-party wood by its owned wood which was planted in the acquired land. So far, we are moving on exactly as planned. Now about the other topics, the other items in the production cash costs, we do have inflation all over the world, which has affected commodities prices. This has had a huge impact in chemicals and fuels last year. And this is also reflected in our costs in the last quarter, in the fourth quarter. And the behavior in 2022 will be dependent on the price of these commodities. We are moving on with a lot of focus in the factories, working in productivity and optimization for consumption, and we will move on with this agenda.

Operator

Thiago Lofiego, from Bradesco.

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Thiago Lofiego
analyst

I have 2 questions. The first one has to do with the price of kraftliner that continues to go up in 2022. Do you believe you still have room for price increases in order to recover the premium that you usually have vis-a-vis the international market? And the second question, still regarding kraft. What about your strategy and the integration for kraft this year given all these factors: the global kraft market, which is very strong; and in Brazil a weaker economic activity but you do have very good market share. So I would like to know how you're thinking about these 2 topics.

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Thank you, Thiago. Flavio will be talking about the price. And I will start to answer the second question, and then I will turn to Flavio. Klabin in its fundamentals and about which we talk to you all the time is a company that seeks the integration of its papers in a percentage that might keep stability of results. This means that we can arbitrate between the domestic market, converting papers that could be exported or exporting the papers as the margin is higher. And the way we deal with the situation is based on the fact that we are a fully integrated company and we can focus on the export market. And in the last few years, based on the investments made, this has been bringing about a lot of benefits because now we have a higher liner capacity and we can start opening our partnerships with global partners. And we were limited because of the availability of paper, but now we can have partnerships with big box producers, mainly in Europe, and long-term contracts. So Klabin can be faithful to the international market and clients of corrugated boxes and with a persistent relationship with these clients, especially the ones that we have a contract, of course we always do that, and maintaining a level of partnership with large consumers of paper, mainly box manufacturers abroad, with the same loyalty that we have with the clients here in Brazil. So you have to arbitrate between these 2 worlds and you have to respect, first, all the contracts that we have. And secondly, we have to respect our margins. The market volume that is not under contract and in which there is no loyalty, that is to say, because the market is not looking for this kind of loyalty with us, or because the market is growing. So for these marginal markets we will always be seeking profitability. Of course, giving priority to our contracts, our large box clients and now, all over the world, the consumers of paper.

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Flávio Deganutti
executive

Cristiano has already touched some important point. The natural position of the market is some premium for the domestic market. And we have the new announcements, mainly from U.S. manufacturers of kraft. There was a degree of concern in terms of new capacity coming onboard in the U.S. and in Europe, and this was balanced by the demand that we see, a spectacular demand, for containerboard and kraftliner; especially the export market is very well balanced. And we continue with our strategy of maximizing our profitability. And we follow the prices of the international market, and the domestic market follows these moves with some premium over the year. This is not going to happen immediately, but over the year this is what we will be seeing. Of course, here we have the contracts. And as Cristiano said, we sell important volumes by means of contract, both through the domestic and the export market, and whatever is outside the contract. So we have a higher degree of price flexibility.

Operator

Rafael Barcellos, from Santander.

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Rafael Barcellos
analyst

I would like to talk about corrugated boxes. I apologize for the long question. In 2020 and '21, there was a growth in the GDP. What can we expect for demand in 2022? Do you believe it will be greater? And for corrugated boxes, I would like to know about the competitive environment.

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

We have lost the sound. We have lost the sound. Could you start your second question again?

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Rafael Barcellos
analyst

Well, the first question was about demand. But still about corrugated boxes, I would like to hear from you about the competitive environment. Looking at the fourth quarter, it seems to me that you have lost a little bit of market share. So I would like to know about competition. Mainly, with the new project in Ceara, how do you see the evolution of market share of Klabin for the next few years? And the other question is about kraftliner. Prices have been going up quite a lot, as you said yourself, and with a drop of exports from the U.S. But now we start to see exports stabilizing and the coming onboard of capacity from Klabin. Do you see any risk of correction in terms of kraftliner?

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Rafael, as Flavio said -- and of course he's going to add to what I say. I will start by the second one, and then Douglas Dalmasi will talk about the demand for corrugated boxes in Brazil. About your second question, we get into very complex macroeconomic questions, and I think you will be more capable of elaborating on that than we. But anyway, we see inflation in many countries in the world, with a big impact. Today, we have the number of the U.S. inflation being published. With the interest rates going up 5 times per year. So the U.S. are trying to reduce inflation or balance or offset, and the economic impact will be felt one way or another, and the effect will be felt. And there are other complex macroeconomic issues. For instance, China, in terms of exports; for logistics limitations. Not to mention the certainty that nobody has that there will be no new variant of COVID. So we are living in a very complex world, and every single year I feel that this year is more complex than the previous one. On the macroeconomic side, it is very difficult to tell you exactly what will be the behavior of exports, from the U.S., for instance, because it involves too many factors. Nevertheless, we are very confident about the fundamentals of our products. Paper, mainly in ecommerce, has already proven to be a very big advantage, a very big facility. And because of environmental reasons, it is gaining space, so to say, for primary or secondary packaging. So I have no doubt whatsoever about the transition of traditional retail to ecommerce, with 2-digit growth and major economies in the world getting to a more mature level in ecommerce and gaining momentum in Brazil as well. So in packaging, paper and corrugated boxes, that can be lighter and, therefore, reducing the weight for transportation and also being more sustainable. This is already a reality. This is a global trend, and this is not going to change. In the short run, there is the macro economy playing. And now I would like Douglas to add about the demand in Brazil.

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Douglas Dalmasi
executive

Thank you for the question, Rafael. We cannot complain about demand for corrugated boxes right now. We still see very good levels of demand and of course going hand-in-hand with the Brazilian economy. And of course, when we compare this to the second half of 2020 and the first half of 2021 that were impacted by high consumption in the pandemic, this scenario becomes more clear. The level is still very good. And regarding our participation, whenever we look at the margins, and in order to continue to grow our margins, in the last quarter of 2021 we did not consider the market share isolatedly, and there was a slight loss, as you said yourself. But for the remainder of the year, we expect to continue to follow the performance of the economy, and we believe this is going to be a good year vis-a-vis last year, but always prioritizing our margins and with the best possible distribution of our volumes, tapping into the advantage that we have of having an integrated business, our contracts and our clients.

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Flávio Deganutti
executive

Thank you, Douglas. And just adding, Rafael, corrugated boxes in Brazil were 3.6 million tons. It's already 4 million tons, 4 million tons of corrugated boxes in Brazil. So we have already seen a substantial growth. And the announcements of new capacity, in this case, mainly by Klabin, we have just announced that regarding the Northeast. But still looking at the '21 demand, comparing to our expectation for '22, at least here in the company, well, we are talking about 4 million tons of corrugated box. And if you maintain this, this will already be strong, but we have the expectation, and we have to be prepared to face any scenario whatsoever. But to make a long story short, up to the end of the year we will have an additional BRL 90 billion in the renda familia, the family income, from the government, an additional BRL 10 million, that because of the elections and investments expected around BRL 200 billion. So many things will be going on during the year. There could be additional income generation or increase in the number of jobs. And it is based on a basis of 4 million tons of corrugated boxes. So we are very careful with these evaluations, but a company such as ours has to be prepared should this all happen.

Operator

Our next question will come from the English questions. The English [indiscernible] is going to be interpreted simultaneously. And it's from Carlos De Alba, Morgan Stanley.

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Carlos de Alba
analyst

A couple of questions I have. A lot has been discussed already in the market, but in terms of -- and costs, but in terms of expenses, we also notice a quite important increase certainly quarter-on-quarter, but also year-on-year, in SG&A, more on the selling expenses than on the general and administrative expenses. Could you comment on what drove that and to what extent this is going to be sustainable and how do you see the new level of SG&A expenses going forward? And then on the balance sheet, we discussed the inventory increase in the quarter, but also there was a quite important increase, at least from a cash flow perspective. Suppliers represented almost BRL 335 million of cash outflows. The end of the year balance in your balance sheet wasn't particularly higher than the last quarter, but the impact on cash flow generation this quarter was important. So I don't know if you could share some comments there and highlights that help us to understand what happened.

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Thank you for your question, Carlos. We are going to answer the first part of the question about the SG&A, but I would like to ask you to repeat the question about the balance sheet in English because we could not understand the translation, please. So about the costs and expenses, Marcos Ivo will start the question, and then we'll go back and ask you again about the balance sheet.

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Marcos Paulo Conde Ivo
executive

Okay, Carlos, about SG&A, specifically about G&A, because sales expenses regarding net revenue of the company have come down. Talking about G&A, when we had an increase of 8% in the fourth quarter of '21 vis-a-vis the same period of prior year and 23% in year-on-year, we have 2 different impacts. We have inflation in Brazil, which last year was around 10%, and we also had an impact of the plants that we acquired from International Paper. Remember, we just took over this operation at the end of last year. And this year, we had the full year of the companies with us. And finally, in the fourth quarter of the year, we did have consulting services for specific projects. And now looking at 2022, we expect that we will keep up with inflation, or we have no new price increases, because we will not have increased in scope as we had last year. So the expectation that we have for this year is to follow up inflation.

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Just adding to that, Marcos, there was a productivity gain in the company, with a margin of 42% in this last quarter when compared to the last quarter of 2020. I will then ask you to please, your second part of the question, you repeat that. And if you want to ask that in English, that's fine.

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Carlos de Alba
analyst

All right. So the question is regarding suppliers. Can you hear me? Hello? Hello?

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Please proceed.

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Carlos de Alba
analyst

So the question on the balance sheet, it's balance sheet and cash flow, and it has to do with suppliers. In the fourth quarter, suppliers represented almost BRL 335 million reduction in cash flow. It was quite important. So I wonder if there is any comments that you may have there, if you can attribute this to a change in the terms with your suppliers or it's just some volatility around the transactions with them? I just wanted to understand, because the working capital was much more negative than what we expected for the quarter.

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Okay, Carlos. Thank you for your question. And so Marcos Ivo will comment.

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Marcos Paulo Conde Ivo
executive

Now talking about the working capital, Klabin had an important reduction of working capital in 2020 and 2021. And it's important to remember that in these last 2 years Klabin net revenue increased a lot. And even then, at the end, we had a reduction in the absolute amount of the working capital. And that means that in terms of percentage of net revenue, working capital vis-a-vis net revenue, that revenue was even stronger. So first, I needed to highlight that. Second, it is only natural that we have variations in the different quarters. So we always look at things in the mid and long terms. In the mid and the long terms, that structure reduction that we had in the working capital in the last 2 years, we expect to maintain that. That is, we will be working to maintain the working capital of Klabin regarding our net revenue at the same level that we have now after this reduction. Specifically about the suppliers' account where we had the reduction at the end of the year, here we have a combination of a seasonal effect and also a movement of Puma II suppliers. Puma II suppliers do not have normalized amounts or values over the year. So in different quarters we might have variations in these accounts related to payment of these suppliers.

Operator

Caio Ribeiro, from Bank of America.

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Caio Ribeiro
analyst

Could you talk about the packaging paper prices environment, mainly in the domestic market? Because the OCC prices have dropped. Is this causing any pressure on the average prices charged by the producers? And there is a competitor who is already slashing prices. And how do you see the environment regarding margins, especially in China and in Europe? Do you believe that the levels are good? Or do you expect some increases on the part of paper producers in the next few months?

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Thank you, Caio. I will start by the second part. This seems to be the routine today. And then Flavio will take over, and he will talk about the price of paper in the domestic market. The margin from producers, we are following all the results of the sector, and it does not seem to me that there is comfort in the Northern Hemisphere vis-a-vis margins. I believe that the Northern Hemisphere for the nonintegrated producers of pulp continues to be high in terms of transferring prices. And structurally, we see the Northern Hemisphere with difficulty in some cases in terms of transferring these costs to prices, mainly printing and writing paper. But in packaging paper, there has been a transfer to prices all over the world, and the producers were able to recover their margins, mainly those who have a more competitive cash cost. So they are more strict in terms of margins in the Northern Hemisphere. And in the Southern Hemisphere, we have a very competitive cash cost here at Klabin and our ROIC is better. So it continues to be difficult for those who do not have a very competitive cash cost.

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Flávio Deganutti
executive

Caio, first of all, the price. The prices had a very different behavior from what is normal and what Klabin exports in virgin fiber. So this is something very unique. I have been in this industry for so many years, and this is unprecedented. What happened more recently was a natural reorganization. If you look at the average for 10 years or 5 years, it favors the virgin fiber in the domestic market, which is only natural. And Klabin sees these price movements based on the supply of OCC, as you said yourself, in the medium and the long run. From the viewpoint of the supply in Europe and the United States and Southeast Asia, in Brazil, there is a shortage of OCC, and this is structural. So the new capacities coming onboard have brought a degree of balance, including the export that usually went to China. But we see a rebalancing in this supply in some destinations, and the same happens in Brazil. In terms of Klabin, OCC will be slightly higher than where it is today, and this reorganizes the prices of paper that are based on OCC. Klabin continues to be very flexible, and virgin fiber is the one that we export the most. So based on this dynamic, there is no material impact on our business. And in the world, OCC gives signs of $150; and in China, $400 already. So if you look at the longer time frame, we have this imbalance that is being reduced. That was this change of China increasing their OCC collection and reducing U.S. exports, and this remaining in the U.S. But there is a remodeling of the consumption of OCC in the world. But it is around $150 and $400 in China, which is still favorable regarding the paper market.

Operator

The question is from Marcio Farid, Goldman Sachs.

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Marcio Farid Filho
analyst

I have a few follow-ups. I don't know if Nico is in the call. But Nico, if you can comment, please, on the Chinese market. We have seen an interesting price recovery, and the market is still strong. And which are the main drivers for this favorable moment? And what are your expectations for the short and medium and medium and long runs? And also, going back to Caio's question earlier, what can we think about the paper producers' margins in China, especially after this pulp price increase we are following, prices for paper, for printing paper, coated board and sanitary papers? And this is lower than the fiber inflation that we have maintained. So how are paper producers reacting to that in China? And finally, a positive surprise in the result was the realization of prices, and I think that was mainly in the long fiber and maybe fluff. And if you can comment also on the fluff outlook and if we still have room for more positive surprises over the year.

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Thank you very much, Farid. Yes, Nico is here and he will take your questions.

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Alexandre Nicolini
executive

Marcio, thank you for your questions. About China, considering the current inventory levels and the chain, whether by logistics bottlenecks or by annual downtime, maintenance downtime or strikes in Finland that affect not only long fiber, but also short fiber, among also other problems, problems that ended up interrupting production, considering the current scenario when we compare that to 2020, when we started foreseeing a weaker market in China? That's 2021, sorry. For 2022, we see that price moment a little bit more on the positive side. The logistics bottlenecks will keep on limiting these volumes to China. We know that the ports are full because of COVID, specifically. And several producers and Klabin, as well, are redirecting products and volumes to other markets, considering that we still have a high price difference between Europe, United States and also Brazil and China. So we see that moment in China is a very positive one, and we understand that the price implementation now in February will happen smoothly. For the next months, we still foresee a very positive market, the scenario for the year. We can already tell you that this is better than what we already had, considering all these exogenous factors that are affecting the market. But on the other hand, we can understand that we have room for a second quarter that will also be very positive. About our sales mix and our price differentials, we already had an assumption that the fluff market would grow in 2022 in comparison to other fibers because there is no capacity increase for the market here. If you look at the prices and the price forecasts of consulting services, we already saw a price gap that was relevant between fluff and the other fibers, such as short and long fibers and bales. And that allowed us to use Machine 26 of Puma, and I mentioned that in Klabin Day. We are now operating at a limit mix of this machine. We're already producing 65%, 70% of fluff volume and the remainder in long fiber. And the domestic market in long fiber is very relevant, and basically we are the single supplier here for that. So this makes perspective, would change the price perspective is positive. In the beginning of the call, I mentioned we had a price increase announcement in January that was already implemented. We announced a $50 more for February, we believe this is going to be implemented, and a $110 price increase starting in March. And when the time comes, we will understand if this is going to be possible to implement it or not.

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

And also, Nico, I would like to take this question and comment on something that we have been discussing in Klabin for many years, which is flexibility. And sometimes we well understand it and sometimes don't, but we always try to make it clear. And we want to make clear why we make the decisions we make, especially regarding CapEx. So when we chose to have to dry fiber as a diversified basket of fibers, short fiber, long fiber, so now we have 3 different products in the same site. And can you comment more, please, the price difference between the pulps now?

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Alexandre Nicolini
executive

Okay. Very nice, Cristiano. Yes, that's right. The business model implemented at Klabin, which is a diversified one, allows us to gain an important share with some clients because we are the only supplier with all types of fibers in the same basket. In terms of prices, we have a price differential of over $250 in the net price between fluff and short fiber, for instance. And for long fiber, as I mentioned, we can have a relevant share here in Brazil and focus in segments that is not only in paper, but also specialty papers. And this price differential is around $150 to $200 per ton.

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Marcio Farid Filho
analyst

Nico and Cristiano, if you allow me, considering Cristiano's comment more, and you mentioned a high premium, $250, in the average price of fluff against short fiber, can you remind us what is the cost difference so that we can understand how you tap into margin in the fibers with less premium? Thank you, and good luck in the second quarter.

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Farid, considering what we can talk about, it's very, very good. It has a great advantage there.

Operator

We received a question from the webcast platform from [ Andrea] from [ Schweitzer ].

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Unknown Analyst

You recently announced the Horizonte project in Ceara, an organic expansion, differently from the IP acquisition in Brazil. Do you see opportunities in corrugated boxes for M&As? Or will you continue with organic projects?

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Thank you for the question. And it has to do with opportunities and circumstances. Nevertheless, what we can tell you is that the focus is the increase in integration and growth. And in this specific state, with the opportunity that we identified, organic growth is the best solution, undoubtedly. Also because of the supply of paper because Klabin is the best solution for the supply of paper for this region. So it makes a lot of sense to have this in this region. This will be considered and every single state will be considered individually. It's a case-by-case analysis and the M&A opportunities that might arise. The best way to answer your question is by looking at our dynamic in the last years. We acquired 3 companies, and we were very successful in the 3 acquisitions that we made. And also we had major projects in corrugated boxes, such as was the case in Jundiai around 2014. And the same is valid for the North and the Northeast. And we are a growth company, and we are dynamic. We are flexible. We are ready for M&As, and we are also ready for organic growth. Adding to all that, at the end of the day, this is a company that will continue to grow, the growth that we have been delivering in the last 10 years.

Operator

Thank you very much. As there are no more questions, I would like to give the floor back to Mr. Cristiano Teixeira for his closing remarks.

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Cristiano Teixeira
executive

Thank you very much. I would like to mention how we see the first quarter of 2022 at Klabin. The first quarter seasonally is more moderate, and the domestic market is slower and the world trade feels the impact of the Chinese New Year recess. At Klabin, we will continue to grow, with results as consistent as the ones that we have delivered in the previous quarters. In relation to sustainability, I reiterate our full commitment with the best practices in the private sector in the world, and I highlight the engagement of our whole specialist team at Klabin supporting organizations both in Brazil and in the world regarding climate change global agenda. Klabin continues steadfast in its vision of long-term value generation and growth, with focus on people, innovation and sustainable development. Thank you very much for your participation, and hope to see you during our next meeting.

Operator

Klabin S.A. conference call has come to an end. Thank you very much for participating, and we wish you all a very good afternoon.