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Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the GSFC Conference Call to discuss the Q2 FY '22/'23 financial performance. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded.
I now hand the conference over to Mr. Nitesh Vaghela from Anurag Services LLP. Thank you, and over to you.
Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to the second quarter earnings conference call of Gujarat State Fertilizers & Chemicals Limited, hosted by Anurag Services LLP. From the management, we have Mr. V.D. Nanavaty, Executive Director, Finance and CFO; and Mr. Vishvesh Vachhrajani, Company Secretary and Senior Vice President, Legal and Investor Relations and senior dignitaries from the management.
I would like to thank the management for giving us the opportunity to host this call. We will begin the call with opening remarks from the management, post which we will have a question-and-answer session. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Thank you. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the GSFC quarter 2 post-results con call. As you are closely tracking the GSFC, I hope you have seen the results published yesterday. So there has been consistent growth in sales and profit in this financial year, quarter 1, quarter 2. And for the full year also, as we discussed, we hope that more than 20% revenue growth is expected in this financial year.
Similarly, the actual results also show the profit highlights. So we hope that at least in Fertilizer, the same trend will continue. However, we see some pressure in the Industrial Products segment going forward also. Capro-benzene spread has been less than our expectation of $1,000. So we expect it to be around $900 going forward.
Fertilizer segment has done very well on the support of very good subsidy from government of India. As you know, input prices have continuously been rising. However, to protect farmers from the vagaries of this price rise, and government is constantly upgrading or increasing their subsidy budget for this financial year. And right now, it is historically at a high of more than INR 2.5 lakh crores from the originally projected of INR 1 lakh crores.
The government seems to be committed to protect the farmers and the fertilizers MRP will be kept around the same price that has been prevailing almost from the beginning of the year. With GSFC being well managed and very efficient company, we hope that in this fluctuating time, we will have a good day in the fertilizer segment.
As some of the shareholders have requested, we have uploaded the data last year, also quarter-wise volume of production, sales and rupee figure of sales. So the last year, full year data is available on our website as well as the data for the current quarter and comparable quarters that are part of the published results. So you can take advantage of it and do the analysis required.
Inventory and [ subsidies ] have gone up, mainly because for inventory, fincos inventory, we had procured 2 DAP vessels of around 1,10,000 metric tonnes. So those just arrived in September and for both [indiscernible]. So they are reflecting as inventory. We assure you that this will be sold out before the close of the season and by December end.
Subsidy has been higher because of the VVD, value of all the fertilizer products have gone up substantially, otherwise volume-wise, there is no such huge blockage of subsidy. Because of the high -- these 2 factors, higher inventory and higher subsidy pending, the working capital requirement has slightly gone up and in fact, some of the deposits that were showing in March end have come down to some extent, we hope by again by this March '23, which really was subsiding time, we'll be able to have the comfortable deposit position by year-end.
Otherwise, the projects are going on as per earlier discussion. And company will be conscious of the growth trajectory going forward and we'll keep on flying the -- whatever investment or the results we have in more and more projects to serve the Atmanirbhar Bharat and to take the company forward.
With this, I complete my summary of the working. And now we can take the questions from the participants one by one. Thank you.
[Operator Instructions] We have a first question from the line of Saket Kapoor from Kapoor Company.
Many thanks for uploading the volume and the production and sales data on a comparative basis also. And last year also, that's very helpful, and we hope for the continuity of the same. Sir, if we look into that DAP part of the story sir, out of this total inventory of 1,600 on a -- on a stand-alone basis of INR 1,552 crores. How much would be attributable to the DAP partner?
That is around INR 450 crores.
INR 450 crores. And sir, last -- first quarter, we have done sales of INR 700 crores on DAP. And I think this time, there is negligible sale of only INR 5 crores.
Correct. Correct, correct. Should I reply?
Yes, sir.
Because the DAP economics were not favorable. So we had to curtail DAP production at Sikka Unit. And when the -- because government has not allowed the DAP MRP to be more than INR 1,200 per bag. And [ early ] it was also not remunerative considering the P205 and ammonia prices. So we had to stop the production of DAP at Sikka. And when the things improve at the latter part of the quarter, at least for the imported DAP, we order for these 2 vessels. However, from October onwards, the P205 prices have substantially come down from $17.15 to $11.75. So it's a huge number -- so with this kind of lower prices, now the DAP production has become viable, and we already started the plant in -- from November 1. And we hope at least 50% planned capacity utilization until March '23 for DAP and [ MTP ] at Sikka unit. So hope these things will turn around in the H2.
And sir, what should be the likely margin in the trading business for DAP? The 2 vessels and [ INR 450 crores ] investment in inventory, which they are carrying?
It varies because the DAP price also varies substantially. So the margin varies between INR 1,000 per tonne to, say, INR 5,000 per tonne.
Okay. But still on a blended basis, sir, when we have booked the vessel, we have also planned out the selling part of it? Or how does it work?
Yes, yes, definitely because DAP season is there till 15th of December or so. So by that time, the 1,10,000 metric tonnes will be sold because if we don't sell it by that time, then it will be sold in the next May or June only, we can't afford say 6 months inventory pileup. So accordingly, it is planned that everything will be sold by this mid December.
Right, sir. Sir, when we look at this quarter numbers, on a comparative basis, for Q1 versus Q2, the business -- in the Fertilizer segment, we have done less. This is because of the DAP part. But if we take the power and fuel cost, that has gone off significantly. So sir, going ahead, what is the outlook on the same sir?
Power -- I mean, the mainly power and fuel cost rise is mainly because of natural gas used for power generation. So I mean, if you test costs have consistently gone up, but obsoletely they started coming down. So there will be some [indiscernible] of the retail get caught in this quarter and the Q4 also. So we see some downward trend in that cost.
As far as urea is concerned, overall energy costs are a pass-through. So even if the power cost -- I mean, the natural gas cost is high, we are able to get it back in form of subsidy. So to that extent, whatever rise is there in the form of higher revenue in the turnover part.
Sir, going ahead also, we can maintain these margins for the Fertilizer segment, is the Fertilizer segment going to be a steady state number, both in terms of turnover and the bottom line for the second half also?
Yes, yes. So not be percentage exactly maintainable in that form, but it will have a good margin as well as a good turnover also because we expect INR 10,000 crores to INR 11,000 crores turnover on annual basis. where Fertilizer turnover will be having almost 50% as compared to last year. So last year was around INR 6,000, we expect INR 9,000 crores Fertilizer turnover and overall around INR 11,000 crores. So -- and as I said, margin is also not percentage wise, but it is a good -- it will be a good number going forward also because let's say probably H2 is already declared with some reduction of 3% to 4%. So that will not have a major impact on the margin.
So -- and MRP also is not scale. So with short-term realization more or less remaining the same. And as I said, input for [ P205 ] has gone down, ammonia not increase and sulfur and rock et cetera is steady. So we don't see much pride in the input cost also in the Fertilizer segment.
Right, sir. So because when we look at the margin profile, just to drill more on the Fertilizer segment, the margin has significantly improved for the quarter and also for the first half on a top line of INR 4,100 crores, we are doing the PBT number of INR 933 crores. So you are trying to explain that these margins are not sustainable. The margins may be slightly lower for the -- for H2 going there.
Yes, slightly lower but not something the tables are not going to turn like...
Like in Industrial Chemicals.
Yes. Yes, that way.
And sir, now coming to the industrial chemicals part, sir, what's the outlook there, sir and what has actually -- what has happened in this segment that we posted loss of around INR 80 crores. And is there any one-off item in this [indiscernible] inventory write-down, which you took?
No. So the selling price of the finished good price is not included in line with the input cost increases. So that is why it had to be in the red. So particularly in melamine, the antidumping duty has not been renewed by government of India and broadly they are taking the same stand for various products. So the Chinese import into India at a much lower prices coming in a large way in the case of melamine. So we have to more or less make the price. So to avoid this, we are increasing the export cost for melamine in European and U.S. where we get better realization so that way we are trying to improve the margins in industrial products.
And though we are doing the segment breakup as per the accounting standard and other regulations, and so the ammonium sulfate fertilizer is a product coming out of caprolactam plant only. So on a stand-alone basis, if I see caprolactam not showing profit and if we shut down the plant. There will be a huge loss in the Fertilizer segment also.
So for an integrated plant like GSFC, these segments are kind of artificial bifurcation, so to say and industrial product plants support fertilizer and fertilizer plant support industrial products. So on the case of it, IP is showing up but the whole ammonium sulfate is coming out of caprolactam plant only. So that way, we see internal for decision-making, which is the holistic picture and continue or stop cost [ making ] products. So caprolactam or melamine was not stopped because of this holistic reasons.
Right. Correct. And sir, on the CapEx front sir and on the subsidy front, what's the -- what's your take we have -- there is an increase in subsidy to INR 2,000 crores. So what are we in terms of how much have been the receivables from -- for the month of October, if any? And what's the outlook, sir, how is this going to get trimmed down?
Government is as through budgetary support also, they are increasing the subsidy allocation and with a good fund coming to government to good DAP and tax collection. They are seriously wanting to pay in time. And in fact, subsidiary up to third quarter -- I mean, third week of September has already been paid. So it is just a month and or so to say 5 weeks subsidy is spending.
But on the book, it is showing higher figure because we book subsidy on the cost point of sales, while government releases subsidy after [ post-sale ] is happening, and then we are able to lodge subsidy claims then only liability on government side arises. So there is a timing gap between these 2 events. And as per in the off season like January to March, this gap is 3 to 4 months away. So even if I sell something in January, my [ post-sale ] is going to happen in, say, May, June or April only. So until then, it will show up as a outstanding subsidy because my sales comprises MRP as well as subsidy. But there is no liability to government because the [ post-sale ] has not happened.
So on the balance sheet is with outstanding but from government side, this much of subsidy payable is not there. So this is showing main thing.
Okay. So what figure should we look at today out of the INR 2,086 crores or the INR 2,162 crores, if you take the standalone numbers? What portion should be attributable to the actual sales? And what have been the receivables for the month of October, sir in terms of subsidy received ?
Subsidy, For being lodged with government and not paid by them is less than INR 500 crores. While my book shows INR 2,100 crores. So that is the kind of difference.
Right, sir. And sir, for the CapEx part, if you could give some more color, what are we going to -- how much CapEx have we done for H1? What have envisaged for H2 and the year ahead? And also on the projects where we were contemplating some backward integration. And however, our investment in our JV performed, sir, for the foreign JVs, I think so we have also invested some money and applied in the rights issue. If you could throw show some more light on that.
Yes. So the CapEx, as we discussed about sulfuric acid fifth plant, ammonium sulfate plant, HX crystal then [ chrome ], which is organic fertilizer, then solar plant for reduction of power cost, green hydrogen for green ammonia, then melamine 4 plant, [indiscernible] event for reduction of energy. All these CapEx are going on. They are at different stages of implementation. So right now, no major CapEx has been capitalized so far in the H1. So as and when it is done, it will be notified through stock exchange, and it will also come in the notes to the quarterly results. But they are at different stages, and most of them will be capitalized in '23 and '24.
So that should help into our turnover or reduce our cost or like HX crystal it is a niche product used in the pharma industry. So right now, it is imported 100% from China. So we will have some Indian supplies from GSFC for different form of CapEx are underway, and we'll declare as and when it is done.
So you are explaining that no substantial amount has been spent as on H1. And neither do we contemplate any big CapEx for H2 as of now, only when things will crystallize, we would be on the drawing board only.
Right, right, right. And if you look at our balance sheet, it will show up in the net asset because it included in capital work in progress. So whatever changes are there, they are because of whatever CWIP has been done or any capitalization that has been affected. So that -- this show up in [indiscernible] seasons also.
And sir, lastly, sir, you have a long tenure at GSFC. So just to understand, sir, what is the succession planning at the end? And when is your retirement due, sir, you have been managing the -- and answering us investor for a very long time, just to understand what -- how is the succession planned there?
Mr. Nanavaty is still long way to go.
All my successors are sitting in this room only. So don't worry. Yes. So GSFC has been working since last 60 years, and we have sufficient experienced people at different levels. So nothing to worry about the company.
Sir. Okay. So we'll hope for how the value creation has been done to investors since everything that was discussed last quarter will get how the Board looked into our request for creating shareholder value. So that's another aspect, and we'll wait for how the Board looks and deliberate on the same. And a lot of things have been spoken at length last quarter also. So it won't be repeated. We will wait how the Board replies to our question.
Listening to what we are saying.
On the dividend distribution policy and also on the buyback policy on all other aspects, which will create shareholder values and create awareness for investors.
We have a next question from the line of Ankul Sanwal an Individual Investor.
The fertilizer subsidiary are on the historical high end. This may not continue forever. And our industrial production -- industrial segment is not working up to the margins last many quarters. So how we are planning to sustain profitability in the future?
No. GSFC, these 2 segments, [indiscernible] one is down, the other is up that is how we have been consistently making profit. So maybe in the last 2 quarters, the GSFC product is not doing up to the mark, but that is not going to be depicted forever. And in fact, we have earned a huge margins in IP also. So nothing to worry as the company as a whole. However, as I explained, we are trying to have more export of the melamine so that we have a better price realization. And the [ capro nylon ] also if the Indian price continues to be like this, we will focus more on the export also so that we have better realization and better profit.
And as you know, no government can ignore farmers interest and make fertilizer costly. So consistently, government whatever party is in power the subsidy on the fertilizers to protect farmers from price vagaries. So a company like GSFC, which is efficiently working, you will always have a chance to make good margins whenever the opportunity arises.
And as I said, 1 of the project that we are undertaking for urea events for reducing the energy. So apart from the increasing the income side, you also focus on the cost side by reducing the power cost by setting up solar and wind power plants as well as reducing the energy in old technology plants so that either they get more subsidy for the same amount of energy or our energy bill goes down when gas and power are costly.
So we see both the cost and income side consistently. And in the advantage of the situation and when things don't move in given situation like we go also for the export because the quality of all the products that we manufacture are of international standards. So we don't have any problem in setting overseas market also when need arises. But since it is not good to be sitting in India and not meeting local demand and exporting our products that is not our philosophy. So we were mostly selling our products in domestic market only. But now when because of dumping or other consent, we don't get the desire price then we don't mind going abroad also.
So depending on the situation, we will be taking the steps, apart from going for the new products so that gives new product or gives economy of scale or helps in [ making ] higher market share in the domestic market for all these various considerations, and we go for the new project to maintain the profitability and to improve top line, bottom line.
[Operator Instructions] As there are no further questions, I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Nanavaty for closing comments. Over to you, sir.
Yes. So thank you, all the participants. And as we discussed, we'll continue to make -- take steps to take the company ahead in the growth path. And which is even a consistent profit as some shareholders feeling, they work and then think of higher dividend and other forms of compensating the shareholders. So the time will tell the story, but till then do continue to report confidence in GSFC. Thank you.
Thank you. On behalf of GSFC, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.