Good
morning,
everyone,
and
thank
you
for
joining
our
2021
Preliminary
Results
Presentation.
It's
great
to
be
with
you
in
person
after
nearly
two
years
of
Zoom
meetings.
As
you
can
see,
Jonathan's
with
me
this
morning
and
he'll
take
you
through
our
financial
performance
shortly.
Slide
3
shows
the
agenda
for
this
morning's
presentation.
I'm
going
to
start
with a
brief
overview
of
key
developments
in
2021.
Then
I'll
take
you
through
our
refreshed
group
strategy
and
our
new
positive
impact
plan,
which
is
designed
to
make
our
business
more
sustainable.
Jonathan
will
then
take
you
through the
financials
before
I
provide
an
operational
update.
Thereafter,
we'll
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
you
may
have.
Starting
on
slide
4,
look,
I've
been
pleased with
the
progress
we've
made
in
2021
from
both
an
operational
and
a
strategic
perspective.
We
continue
to
expand
our
recreational
customer
base
globally
in
a
sustainable
way. It
positions
us
well
for
the
long-term.
In
the
US,
FanDuel
continues
to
lead.
And
we
achieved
an
important
milestone
on
the
path
to
profitability
with
FanDuel's
sportsbook
and
gaming
business
turning
contribution
positive
during
the
year.
In the
UK
and
Ireland,
we
maintained
our
market
share
while
making
significant
strides
to
make
our
business
more
sustainable.
Jonathan and
I
will
share
more
details
on
the progress
we're
making
in
this
area
and
take
you
through
the
material
items
that
drove
our
Q4
performance
in
particular.
In
Australia,
Sportsbet
continued
to
win
share
of
the
online
market,
reaching
an
estimated
50%
in
2021.
And
in
International,
we've
stabilized
the
PokerStars
business.
Jonathan
will
provide
an
overview
of
the
key
moving
parts
within
the
division
over
the
last
two
years
and
I
will
then
share
how
this
equips
us
well
for
delivering
long-term
growth.
In
2018,
we
laid
out
a
four-pillar
strategy
for
the
group,
and
on
slide
5,
we have
summarized
the
progress
we've
achieved.
We
are
the
number
one
operator
in
the
UK,
Ireland,
Australia,
and
the
US,
while
also
now
having
a
series
of
podium
positions
across
international
markets.
We
are
a
diversified
global
player
from
both
a
geographic
and
product
perspective,
and
I'm
sure
I
don't
need
to
remind
you
all
how
important
diversification
has
been
over
the
last
two
years.
Perhaps
most
encouragingly,
our
growth
has
been
recreational
player-led.
Our
customer
base
now
stands
at
over
7.6
million
monthly
players,
having
grown
a
further
23%
in
2021.
And we
have
a
business
where
over
90%
of
revenues
come
from
regulated
markets
today,
a
number
that
we
expect
to
rise
to
95%
in
the
not-too-distant
future,
with
further
markets
regulating
and
as
our
US
business
expands.
The
addition
of
Sisal
will
also
add
additional
regulated
revenue.
Globally,
we
continue
to
see
significant
opportunities
to
grow
our
presence,
both
organically
and
through
acquisition,
and
our
refreshed
strategy
is
designed
to
take
advantage
of
those
opportunities.
On
slide
6,
we
summarize
our
refreshed
four-pillar
strategy.
Pillar
one
focuses
on
our
core
markets
where
we aim
to
extend
our
leadership
positions
by
delivering
great
products
to
our
recreational
player
base,
while
leveraging
our
economies
of
scale
to
drive
efficiencies.
In
the
US, we
will
continue
to
invest
to
win
as
the
market
expands.
Our
goal
is
simple:
to
maintain
our
lead
in
US
sports
betting
while
improving
our
share
of
the
online
gaming
market.
Pillar
three
is
focused
on
international
market
opportunities,
where
we will
combine
local
and
global
scale
to
expand
our
share
in
attractive
regulated
markets.
We
will
find
more
Adjarabets,
Junglees,
and
Sisals,
strong
local
brands
with
competitive
moats
around
their
businesses.
And
finally,
we'll
nurture
an
innovative
and
experimental
mindset
across
the
group
to
take
early
positions
in
future
spaces.
We're
already
developing
some
of
these
ideas
with
VR
or
virtual
reality
poker,
generating
$10 million
in
gross
revenue
during
2021.
This
group
strategy
will
be
enabled
by
scale,
speed,
product,
data,
and
our
Positive
Impact
Plan,
which
I'll
cover
in
more
detail
on
the
next
slide.
Yesterday,
we
launched
our
Positive
Impact
Plan,
a
sustainability
strategy
that
puts
three
key
sets
of
stakeholders
at
the
heart
of
everything
we
do;
our
customers,
colleagues,
and
communities.
The
slide
sets
out
the
global
principles
of the
plan
to
make
a
positive
change
across
these
three
stakeholder
groups.
Importantly, we have
now
set
clear
targets
in
each
of
these
areas
so
we can
hold
ourselves
to
account.
I'll
talk
more
about
our
customer
target
on
the
next
slide.
We
want
to
empower
colleagues
to
work
better
and
to
ensure
that
our teams
are
representative
of
where
we
work
and
live
through
a
comprehensive
diversity,
equity,
and
inclusion
strategy.
We
want
to
work
with
communities
to
do
more
and
aim
to
improve
the
lives
of
10 million
people
by
2030.
We'll
do
so
by
using
expertise
and experience
within
our
business
to
support
our
communities
with
a
focus
on
sport,
health,
and
well-being,
and
tech
for
good.
You'll
find
a
lot
more
information
on
our
Positive
Impact
Plan
when
our
Annual
Report
is
published
in
the
coming
weeks.
Our
Play
Well
safer
gambling
strategy
builds
on
years
of
progress
already
made
in
protecting
our
customers,
such
as
through
the
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developed
originally
in PPB. For
a
group
with
over
7.6
million
monthly
customers,
we
know
there
is
no
one-size-fits-all
approach,
though
we
believe
there
are
universal
principles
that
we
can
and
should
apply
to all
we
can to
protect vulnerable
customers.
We
listen
to
our
customers,
industry
experts
and
critics
by
investing
in
research,
innovation
and
collaboration.
We
want
to
empower
players
to
play
positively
by
providing
them
with
platforms
and
products
that
have
protective
tools
in
place.
And
this
would include
having
better
conversations
with
our
players
to encourage
them
to
pause
and
reflect
on
their
play
and
make
positive
choices.
And
we
will
continue
to
support
players
who
need
intervention
by
providing
robust
internal
infrastructures,
external
partnerships
and
fund
new
initiatives.
To
ensure
these
principles
are
embedded
within our
organization,
divisional
safer
gambling
goals
will
be
linked
to
our
team's
remuneration
as
part
of
their
annual
bonus
metrics.
This
will
ensure
each
division
is
focused
on
initiatives
that
will
support
and
promote
local
safer
gambling
strategies
in
individual
markets
and
contexts.
We've
also
established
our
first
global
goal
to
have
75%
of
our
players
using
one
or
more
of
our
Play
Well
tools
by
2030.
We
believe
that
the
use
of
such
tools
empowers
customers
to
appraise
their
own
activity
while
promoting
positive
play.
I
feel
really
proud
of
this
new
strategy
and
look
forward
to
seeing
the
benefits
it will
bring
to
our
customers,
our
people
and
our
communities.
And
with
that,
I'll
hand
you
over to
Jonathan
to
take
you
through
our
financial
results.
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
Thanks,
Peter,
and
good
morning,
everybody.
Again,
it's
great
to
actually
see
people
in
3D.
So,
welcome
all.
Plenty
to
cover,
so
let's
get
started.
Okay. So,
so
starting
on slide
10, on
a
pro
forma
constant
currency
basis,
we
delivered
revenue
growth
of
17%
in
2021.
This
is
obviously
driven
by
the
increase
in
the
ongoing
recreational
player
base
with
AMPs
up,
as
Peter
said,
23%
year-on-year.
Our
sports
revenue
increased
by
27%,
thanks
to
the
continued
growth
in
the
US,
a
strong
performance
in
Australia
and
a
return
to
a
more
normal
sports
calendar
in
2021.
As
we'll
cover
later,
this
growth
was
despite
challenging
sports
margin
comparatives
from 2020.
Gaming
revenue
increased
by
4%
as
the
US
growth
helped
offset
the
uplift
seen
in
our
International
business
from
the
COVID-related
boost
in
poker
during
2020.
These
factors,
combined
with
the
larger
US
loss
and
the
initiatives
that
we
are
taking
to
make
the
business
more
sustainable,
resulted
in
a
group
EBITDA
of
£1
billion,
18%
lower
than
2020,
and
excluding
those
US
investment
losses,
down
by
10%.
The
group
continues
to
turn
profit
into
cash
at
a
very
high
rate
and we
ended
the
year
with
net
debt
of
£2.6
billion
and a
leverage
of
2.6
times,
or
2.1
times
excluding
those
US
investment
losses.
Turning
to
slide
11
on
the
statutory
income
statement,
clearly,
the
high
year-on-year
growth
reflected
the
benefit
of
a
full
12
months
contribution
from
The
Stars
Group
in
2021's
numbers
versus
eight
months
in
2020.
And
the
statutory
loss
after
tax
of
£412
million
included
over
£900
million
of
separately
disclosed
items,
which
were
primarily
noncash
items.
This
included
the
amortization
of
acquired
intangibles
of
£543
million,
mainly
from
the
TSG
merger.
It
also
includes
£163
million
for
the
final
settlement
of
the
historic
PokerStars
case
with
the
state
of
Kentucky.
Slide
12,
we
show
our
AMPs
by
division
since
H1
2019.
Player
volumes
are
a
key
indicator
of
the
underlying
health
of
our
business,
as
they
signal
how
effectively
we
are
delivering
against
our
customer
acquisition
and
retention
strategies.
In
2021,
we
grew
the
total
AMPs
by
23%
to
£7.6
million.
I'm
not going
to
go
through
every
number
in
detail,
but
a
few
things
really
stand
out
as
I
consider
what
we're
delivering
in
terms
of
player
growth.
When
compared
to
2019,
we
have
emerged
with
a
much
larger
player
base
than
we
had
pre-COVID,
mostly
driven
by
growth
in
recreational
players,
and
that's
very
encouraging.
In
the
UK&I,
player
numbers
were
25%
higher
year-on-year
in
2021
at
3.2
million.
Player
retention
in
Australia
remained
strong
with
two-year
compound
AMP
growth
of
28%.
And
in International,
AMPs
have
grown
by
10%
since
2019
with
that
growth
coming
from
more
sustainable
markets.
And
in
the
US,
we
had
nearly
2
million
AMPs
in
Q4,
making
it
now
our
second
largest
division
in
terms
of
player
numbers.
On
slide
13,
you
can
see
how
player
growth
translated
into
revenue
growth.
Last
year,
we
delivered
revenue
growth
of
17%,
with
the
majority
of
that
driven
by
the
US.
I'll
talk
about
the
UK
and
Ireland
in
more
detail
on
the
next
slide,
but
I
do
want to
touch
in
the
forms
of
the
other
divisions.
We
grew
revenues
in
Australia
by
20%
last
year,
undoubtedly
helped
by
COVID-related
restrictions.
And
that
growth
of
20%
was
driven
by
AMP
growth
of
27%.
We
have
enjoyed
favorable
sports
results
in
both
2020
and
2021
in
Australia,
but
there
was
no
material
difference
in
margin
year-on-year.
In
International,
as
we
previously
guided,
revenue
declined
due
to
the
uplift
in
poker
activity
in
the
prior
year,
along
with
the
effect
of
regulatory
changes
and
compliance
initiatives.
In
the
US,
our
revenue
more
than
doubled,
up
113%.
The
biggest
drivers
of
this
were
a
full-year
contribution
from
four
sportsbook
states
launched
in
2020
and
a
partial
year
benefit
from
our
four
new
states
launched
in
2021.
We
also
benefited
from
structural
growth
in
our
sportsbook
margin,
which
Peter
is
going
to
cover
later.
We
launched
in
three
new
gaming
states,
bringing
our
total
footprint
to
five,
and
our
US
gaming
business
is
already
half
the
size
of
our
entire
UK&I
gaming
business.
TVG
and
DFS
continue
to
contribute
with
combined
revenue
growth
of
11%
in
2021.
Okay,
on
slide
14,
I
want to
take
you
through
the
year-on-year
performance
of
our
online
business
in
UK&I.
To
keep
this
analysis
straightforward,
we
have
not
tried
to
normalize
the
impact
of
COVID, though
clearly
2020
was
an
unusual
year
with
online
benefiting
from
retail
closures.
Additionally,
we
have
not
tried
to
separate
out
the
estimated
recycling
impacts,
albeit
we
have
seen
less
recycling
in
2021
than
historically
has
been
the
case,
and
Peter
will
talk
a
little
bit more
about
that
later.
Starting
from
the
left,
firstly,
we
had
some
good
underlying
gaming
and
exchange
revenue
growth,
with
gaming
AMPs
up
22%
despite
lapping
some
challenging
COVID
comparatives.
This
is
before
we
account
for
the
impact
of
safer
gambling
measures.
Staking
grew
by
25%,
driving
£266
million
in
revenue
growth,
benefiting
from
the
return
of
a
more
normal
sports
calendar.
We
continued
to
benefit
from
improvements
in
structural
margin,
which added in
the
further
£46
million.
The
year-on-year
swing
in
sports
results
impacted
our
revenues
by
£232
million,
a
large
proportion
of
which
impacted
in
Q4.
We
rolled
out
various
new
safer
gambling
measures
during
the
year,
which
we
estimate
cost
us
approximately
£93
million
during
2021.
And
Peter
will
share
progress
that
we've
made
in
this
area
later.
Reported
revenue
growth
of
3%
translated
into
EBITDA
of £626
million,
flat
year-on-year,
with
some
higher
cost
of
sales
in
the
areas
of
streaming
costs
and
taxes.
Moving
on
to
slide
15,
given
the
significant
one-off
COVID
impacts
from
PokerStars
in
2020,
we
thought
it
might
be
helpful
to
provide
a
two-year
EBITDA
bridge
for
the
International
division.
Firstly,
we
have
to
adjust
for
foreign
exchange
movements,
which
can
be
material
in
our
International
division.
Being
the
translation
of
the
P&L
from
US
dollars
to
sterling,
firstly;
and
secondly,
exposure
to
local
currencies
which
players
exchange
to
play
in
US
dollars.
Over
two
years, the
EBITDA
impact
has
been
£61
million.
Next,
we
have
the
impact
of
initiatives
that
we
have
taken
to
improve
the
sustainability
of
the
division.
First,
you
will recall
that
we
made
the
decision
at
the
end
of
2019
to
switch
off
a
number
of
Betfair
Exchange
partners
whose
compliance
standards
were
not
aligned
to
ours.
The
net
cost
of
these
switch-offs
was
£8
million.
Secondly,
we
guided
to
a
£65
million investment
to
bring
the
compliance
processes
and
standards
of
TSG
up
to
Flutter's
standards
post-merger.
And
thirdly,
we
have
improved
the
quality
of
the
geographic,
regulated
and
product
mix
within
the
division.
And
as
a
result,
our
cost
of
sales
as
a
percentage
of
revenues
increased
by
around
8
percentage
points.
We've
had
the
negative
regulatory
developments
in
both
Germany
and
Netherlands,
which
have
cost
the
business
£85
million
since
2019,
with
a
further
£55
million
incremental
costs
to
come
in
2022.
Rebasing
2019
EBITDA
for
these
items
resulted
in
EBITDA
of
£304
million.
You
can
then
see
the
underlying
investment
made
in
the
business
and
the
growth
this has
driven
to-date.
Of
the
£333
million
of
investment,
£52
million
was
in
capabilities.
Some
of
this
was
in
building
required
resource,
for
example,
in
our
regulatory
and
compliance
teams;
and
some
was
invested
in
commercial
skills
and
capabilities
to
enable
us
to
effectively
spend
the
marketing
investment
and
invest
in
product
improvements.
Peter
will
touch
on
where
we
have
focused
this
investment.
We
have
– sorry,
just
go
back.
Thanks.
We
have
delivered
growth
of
£121
million,
of
which
we
estimate
2021
benefited
by
around
£38
million
from
COVID
impacts.
By
rebuilding
the
foundations
of
the
PokerStars
business
and
investing
in
our
casino
and
marketing
capabilities,
we
have
stabilized
our
poker
share,
driven
significant
growth
in
direct
casino,
and
delivered
good
underlying
growth
in
our
key
markets,
which
Peter
will
talk
about
shortly.
Slide
16
provides
an
EBITDA
and
an
EBITDA
margin
summary
for
2019, 2020,
and
2021.
Standing
back
from
these
results,
we
have
materially
rebalanced
the
group
over
this
period.
In
UK&I
Online,
the
recreational
growth
has
delivered
strong
customer
and
profit
growth
over
two
years,
at
a
time
when
retail
has
been
challenged.
Australia
has
delivered
phenomenal
profit
growth
from
increasing
AMPs,
synergies,
and
operating
leverage.
As
covered
in
the
previous
slide,
we
have
materially
reshaped
and
de-risked
the
International
division.
And
in
Corporate,
we
have
delivered
synergies
from
the
merger.
In
the
US,
while
losses
have
grown
over
the
last
two
years,
we
have
invested
to
build
the
embedded
value
of
the
business
and
now
have
a
clear
path
to
profitability
in
2023.
As
a
reminder,
our
revenues
from
2019
to
2021
grew
from
£400
million
to
£1.4
billion.
Overall,
we
feel
the
group
is
really
well-positioned
financially
going
forwards.
On
slide
17,
you
will
see
we
generated
adjusted
free
cash
flow
of
£625
million.
This
was
lower
than
the
prior
year
due
to
our
EBITDA
reduction,
higher
CapEx spend
and
a
reduced
working capital
benefit compared
to 2020.
Cash
generation
was
still
very
strong.
Comparing
operating
profit
to
pre-tax
adjusted
free
cash
flow,
we
converted
profits
into
cash
at
102%.
I'm
sure
you'll
be
glad
to
hear
that
I
won't
go
through
every
line
item
on
this
slide
and we'll
just
talk
about
some
of
the
more
material
ones.
We
paid
higher
corporate
tax
given
the
changing
geographic
mix
of
our
earnings.
Interest
paid
was
£37
million
lower
year-on-year,
thanks
to
lower
borrowing
costs.
We
paid
£234
million
to
fully
settle
the
historic
case
with
Kentucky,
including
associated
legal
fees. And
our
Employee
Benefit
Trust
acquired
£181
million
worth
of
shares
relating
to
FanDuel
incentive
schemes
put
in
place
at
the
time
of
the
original
acquisition.
M&A
activity
during
the
period
resulted
in
a
net
inflow
of
£73
million
from
the
sale
of
Oddschecker,
partially
offset
by
the
acquisitions
of
Junglee
Games and
Singular.
And
as
a
result,
we
finished
the
year
with
net
debt
of
£2.6
billion
and
a
leverage
of
2.6
times,
and
this
is
before
the
acquisitions
of
Tombola,
which
completed
in
January,
and
Sisal,
which
is
expected
to
complete
in
Q2
of
this
year.
So,
as
I
said,
the
leverage
at
the
end
of
2021
was
2.6
times,
or
2.1
times
excluding the
US
losses.
To
consider
the
impact
of
Tombola
and
Sisal
in
the
group's
debt
and
leverage
level,
we
have
modeled
the
year-end
2021
position
as
though
we
owned
both
assets
at
that
point.
On
this
basis,
our
leverage
ratio
would
have been
3.7
times,
or
3.1
times
excluding
US
losses.
Given
the
highly
cash
generative
nature
of
our
business
and
our
expectation
that
we'll
be
EBITDA
positive
in
the
US
in
2023,
we
are
comfortable
running
with
a
temporary
elevated
leverage
ratio.
As
you
will
see
on
the
slide,
since
these
announcements,
all
of
our
credit
ratings
have
a
stable
outlook.
And
we
remain
committed
to
our
medium-term
target
of
1
to
2
times
leverage.
And
the
board
will
review
the
group's
dividend
policy
once
leverage
is
within
the
targeted
range.
Slide
19
provides
a
trading
update
and
additionally
some
memo
items
for
those
wishing
to
update
trading
models.
Current
trading
for
the
seven
weeks
to
– the
first
seven
weeks
in
2022
have
been
in
line
with
our
expectations
and
2%
higher
year-on-year.
The
prior
year
included
some
very
positive
sports
results
in
the
UK&I.
Given
the
evolving
situation
in
Russia
and
Ukraine,
we
wanted
to
provide
a
summary
of
our
exposure
to
both
markets.
Since
completion
of
our
merger
with
TSG,
we
have
materially
reduced
our
exposure
to
the
Russian
online
market.
And
in
2021,
Russia
accounted
for
£41
million
in
contribution.
In
addition,
Ukraine
represented
contribution
of
£19
million.
We
are
monitoring
the
situation
closely
with
our
working
assumption
being
that
revenues
from
both
jurisdictions
will
fall
to
zero
in
the
not
too
distant
future.
As
we
consider
the
shape
of
2022
revenues
compared
to
2021,
we
benefited
from
favorable
sports
results
in
the
first
half
of
last
year,
with
gross
win
margins
120
basis
points
above
expected
levels,
whereas
they
were
in
line
overall
in
H2.
We,
therefore,
expect
that
the
phasing
of
our
growth
this
year
will
see
us
grow
more
in
the
second
half,
assuming
a
normal
run
of
sports
results.
And
with that, I'll hand back to Peter.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Thanks,
Jonathan.
I'll
now
provide
an update
on
key
developments
across
the
group,
starting
with
the
US
on
slide
21.
Back
in
August,
when
we
provided
a
deep
dive
in
our
US
business,
I
described
how
the
flywheel
effect
is
fueling
FanDuel's
growth.
And
over
the
last
12
months,
Amy
and
the
team
have
done
a
great
job
in
continuing
to
scale
our
US
business.
The
chart
on
the
right
demonstrates
how
quickly
the
business
is
growing.
Our
monthly
sportsbook
customers
grew
by
180%
in
2021,
with
our
gaming
customer
base
more
than
doubling
also.
Our
best-in-class
sports
betting
product
is
continuing
to
deliver
improvements
to
our
structural
win
margins.
We're
continuing
to
invest
heavily
in
product,
brand
and
generosity,
but
believe
the
efficiency
of
our
spend
stands
out
in
the
US
sector
today.
Critically,
our
revenue
growth
is
continuing
to
exceed our
operating
cost
growth,
bringing
ongoing
improvements
on
our
path
to
profitability.
We
believe
strongly
that
the
long
term-winners
in
this
sector
are
determined
by
the
quality
of
their
product.
On
slide
22,
the
migration
of
FanDuel
into
the
group's
betting
platform
was
completed
in
July
and
provided
significant
improvements
in
speed
and reliability
across
the
NFL
season.
Our
proprietary
Same
Game
Parlay
product,
which
is
seamlessly
integrated
into
the
user
experience,
continues
to
be
a
key
differentiator
for
us
and we'll
continue
to
expand
our
product
offering
in
this
area.
Over
76%
of
our
NFL
customers
placed
a
Same
Game
Parlay
bet
during
the
NFL
season. And
as
we
have
highlighted
before,
this
brings
big
benefits
to
us
in
the
form
of
structurally
higher
win
margins.
In
Q4
of
this
year,
we
generated
50%
more
gross
revenue
from
our
handle
than
the
average
of
the
rest
of
the
market.
We
also
continue
to
leverage
our
scale to
invest in
the
FanDuel
brand.
In
the
second
half,
we
signed multiyear
extensions
with
key
partners
such
as
the
NFL, the
NBA,
Pat
McAfee,
The
Ringer,
and
the
PGA.
Given
the attractive
customer
economics
we're
seeing,
our
US
business
spent
over
$1
billion
on
customer
promotions
and
marketing
in
2021.
This
allowed
us
to have
the
highest
TV
media
share
of
voice
in
the
market
throughout
the
second
half,
25%
higher than
our
nearest
competitor.
The
levels
of
required
investment
to
be
a
winner
in
this
market
are
high,
which
we
ultimately
feel
may
act
as
a
helpful
barrier
to
entry
in
the
industry.
On
slide
23,
you'll
see
the
results these
advantages
are
delivering.
We're
continuing
to
lead
with
a
40%
share
of
the
online
sports
betting
market
in
Q4.
I'll
share
the
overall
online
sports
and
gaming
market
was
31%
in
Q4
when
combined
with
our
20%
gaming
share.
Our
market
share
remains
remarkably
resilient
as
we've
added
gold
medals
in
new
2021
states
such
as
Arizona,
Michigan
and
Virginia
to
our ongoing
leads
in
earlier
states
such
as
New
Jersey
and
Pennsylvania.
When
states
launch,
our
early
share
can
be
depressed
by
both
our
own
investments
in
promotional
activity
and
the
early
giveaways
from
competitors.
But
once
markets
settle
down,
we're
encouraged
to
see
that
customers
are
migrating
to
where
the
product
is
best.
In
Q1
of
2022,
we've
invested
significantly doing
launches
in
New
York,
Louisiana,
and
in
another
generous
Super
Bowl
offer.
We
expect
these
investments
to
deliver
strong
market
shares
as
the
year
progresses.
Our
New
York
launch has
been
particularly
successful,
with
over 400,000
new
sportsbook
customers
acquired
to-date.
In
addition,
we're
already
seeing
signs
that
competitors
are
pulling
back
from
their
initial
customer
offers.
There's
an
important
point
to
note
in
terms
of
long-term
profitability
in
New
York
and
tax
take
for
the
state.
We
hope
policymakers
in
New
York recognize
that
while
the
state
benefited
from
an
initial
period
of
heavy
investment
amongst
operators,
such
investment
is
not
sustainable
beyond
a
few
weeks. Absent
different
treatments
of
bonusing
and/or
lower
tax
rate,
the
period
of
aggressive
initial
spending
is
almost
over.
On
the
right-hand
chart,
you'll
see
that
we're
delivering
our
leading
share
while
operating
more
efficiently
than
our
largest
online
competitors.
We
generated
47%
more
revenue
than
our
nearest
competitor
in
2021
and
we
achieved
this
whilst
accruing
$400
million
less
in
losses
on
a
comparable
reporting
basis.
One
key
factor
in
this
efficiency
is
that
on
a
like-for-like
basis,
we
estimate
that
in
2021
we
spent
$0.25
less
on
sales
and
marketing
for
each
dollar
of
revenue
generated
than
our
nearest
competitor.
On
slide
24, I
want
to
update
you
on
our
latest
thinking
around
state-by-state
profitability.
At
our
2019
US
Investor
Day,
we
estimated
that
our
New
Jersey
sportsbook
would
be
structurally
contribution
positive
within
18
to
30
months
of
launch.
I'm
pleased
to
report
that we're
now
seeing
an
acceleration
in
that
time
line
to
just
12
to
24
months.
What's
driving
this?
Firstly,
we
are
acquiring
customers
far
faster
when
a
state
launches
than
used
to
be
the
case.
Arizona
is
a
good
example
of
this,
has
a
population
that is
three-quarter
the
size
of
New
Jersey.
It
took
us
about
five
months
to
acquire
our
first
100,000
sportsbook
customers
in
New
Jersey.
In
Arizona,
it
took
us
less
than
a
month.
These
faster
sign-up
rates
better
reflect
the
awareness
of
the
sports
betting
generally,
but
also
the
changes
we've
made
to
our
own
state-launched
playbook
where
our
integrated
account
and
wallet
means
we
are
converting
DFS
customers
to
sports
betting
faster
than
before.
Once
acquired,
the
quality
of
our
products
are
driving
better
retention
rates
and
generating
the structurally
higher
sports
margins
I
spoke
about.
The
chart
shows
what
this
means
for
investment
and returns.
Because we
are
acquiring
more
customers
initially,
the
initial
investment
losses
are
deeper
in
the
first
months
post-launch.
But
we
end
up
with
a
much
bigger
base
of
customers
in
a
shorter
timeframe,
leading
to
a
higher
level
of
contribution
in
the
subsequent
months.
On
slide
25,
we
show
what
this
means
for
our path
to
profitability.
In
2021,
our
combined
sportsbook
and
gaming
businesses
generated
a
positive
contribution
of
$14
million.
As
you
can
see,
the
early
cohorts
of
customers
generated
a
positive
contribution
that
we
then
used
to
invest
in
the
next
wave
of
new
customers.
Just
38%
of
our
2021
total
customer
base
were
with
us
before
January
last
year,
yet
they
generated
enough
contribution
to
offset
the
material
net
investment
made
to
acquire
the
remaining
62%
of
our
customer
base.
Going
forward,
as
our
existing
customer
base
expands,
their
contribution
will
far
outstrip
our
ongoing
customer
acquisition
investment.
We
can
see this
being
played
out
at
an
individual
state
level
where
large
early
states
like
New
Jersey,
Pennsylvania,
Illinois
and
Indiana
were
already
contribution
positive
in
2021.
FanDuel's
cost
base,
excluding
marketing,
was
£458
million
in
2021,
which
is
a
significant
level
investment
for
those
choosing
to
compete
with
us.
Even
with
ongoing
investment
and
the
potential
for
ongoing
losses
in
FOX
Bet,
we
expect
that
by
2023
we'll
be
EBITDA
positive
in
the
US.
This
does
assume,
though,
that
the
timing
of
new
state
regulation
matches
our
expectations
and
that
a
big
state
like
California
doesn't
go
live
next
year.
And
should
California
go
live,
reaching
EBITDA
positive
would
likely
be
delayed,
but
that
would
be a
nice
problem
to
have.
Now,
let
me
talk
about
our
UK
and
Irish
businesses.
In
our
UK&I
division,
2021
was
something
of
a
tale
of
two
halves.
Jonathan
has
already
talked
you
through
how
our
performance
compared
with
2020,
but I'd
like
to
spend
a
couple
of minutes
sharing
some
insights
around
the
fourth
quarter
and
the
moving
parts
that influenced
the
outcome.
First,
we
saw
a
very
material
swing
in
sports
results
year-on-year.
The
swing
from
good
luck
to
bad
in
the
fourth
quarters
of
2020
and
2021
resulted
in
a
revenue
swing
of
almost
£150
million.
There's
nothing
structurally
going
on
with
margin.
It is
simply
down
to
results
and the
fact
that
we
generally
over-index
in
Betbuilder
products.
Secondly, you
can
see
how
the
cost
of
the
safer
gambling
changes
we
have
made
impacted
revenues
across
the
year,
with
costs
totaling
£93
million
by
the
end
of
Q4.
Setting
these
two
factors
aside,
though,
it's
fair
to
say
that
underlying
demand
in
Q4
was
below
our
expectations.
The
normal
relationship
between
staking
and
margin
was
weaker
in
Q4
when
compared
with
historic
norms, and
we
think
there are
a
couple
of
reasons
for
this.
Firstly,
we
think
that
the
COVID
unwind
has
led
to
reduced
levels
of
customer
engagement with
gambling
products
generally,
and
the Gambling
Commission
data
published
last
week
would
back
that
up.
It
showed
that
online
sports
betting
GGR
was
down
43%
in
the
UK
in
Q4.
Secondly,
we
feel that
some
of
our
products
lacked
a
sharpness
towards
the end
of
last
year,
and
we're
making
changes
to
address
that.
In
contrast,
our
gaming
business
outperformed the
market.
Flutter
brands
maintained
good
customer
volumes,
driven
by
leading
daily
price
mechanics
such
as
the
Sky
Vegas
Prize
Machine
and
Paddy's Wonder
Wheel. It's
[ph]
nice
although (00:31:37)
that
the
market
generally
experienced
the
fewest
number
of
Q4
online
casino
downloads
for
three
years.
And
rest
assured,
we
are
responding
to
what
we're
seeing
in
the
market
and we're
very
focused
on
improving
our
product
proposition,
and
we're also
examining
the
cost
base
of
the
business.
While
we
don't
know
what
specific
recommendations
will
be
made
in
the
white
paper,
we
know
that
customer
economics
in
the
UK
are
going
to
continue
to
evolve.
And
so
we're
doing
work
now
to
make
sure
our
structures
and
cost
base
optimize
the
future
shape
of
the
sector.
On
slide
27, now
let's
talk
about
the
progress
we've
made
in
improving
the
sustainability
of
our
business
in
the
UK
and
Ireland.
As
you
can
see
in
the
chart
on
the
left,
since
H2 2019, our AMP
growth
has
exceeded
our
revenue
growth,
with
reductions
in
revenue
from
higher
value
tiers
being
largely
offset
by
growth
in
lower
spending
cohorts.
While
this
effectively
means
that
we've
reduced
the
proportion
of
revenue
coming
from
our
top
value
tier
by
over
55%
since
2019,
we
have
grown
our
overall
AMP
base
by
27%
at
the
same
time.
ARPUs
across
all
our
customer
cohorts
have
reduced,
and
we
believe
we
have
increased
our
share
within
the
recreational
space
in
that
time.
Businesses
such
as
ours
will
always
have
a
concentration
of revenues
coming
from
higher
income
customers.
Having
examined
this,
we
see
that
our
revenue
concentration
coming
from
higher
value
tier
customers
aligns
closely
with
overall
wealth
distribution
in
the
UK.
Now,
just
6.7%
of
our
revenue
comes
from
the
highest
value
tier,
and
this
is
considerably
lower
for
both
our
recreational
brands
and
Tombola.
The
safer
gambling
framework
we
already
put
in
place
and
our
new
Play
Well
strategy
gives
us
confidence
in
the
protections
we
have
for
our
higher
spending
customers.
On
slide
28,
we
set
out
how
we
protect
our
customers
throughout
all
stages
of
their
journey
from
registration
to
continued
play.
I'm
not going
to
go
through
all
of
the
detail
here,
but
I
want
to
share
it
as
I
think
it's
really
important
that
people
understand
just
how
much
we're
doing
in
this
area
at
the
moment.
From
robust
checks
and
monitoring
for
our
newest
customers
to
always-on
protections, we
want
to
ensure
that
all
our
customers
are
equally
empowered
and
protected
where
needed.
I
recognize
that
the
changes
we are
making
are
having
a
financial
impact
on
our
business,
but
I
passionately
believe
that
what we're
doing
is
right
for
our
customers
and
right
for
our
business
in
the
long
run.
I
would
encourage
our
peers
to
be
proactive
in
this
area
too.
And
ultimately,
this
means
that
the
UK
sector
experiences
a
year
or
two
of
low
growth,
then
it'll
be
a
price
worth
paying
in
the
interest
of
all
stakeholders.
Turning
to
Australia
on
slide
29.
Back
in
September, Barni
and
the
team
brought
you
through
why
we're
winning
the
market
by
delivering
on
product,
marketing
and
value.
We
now
have
a
50%
share
of
the
Australian
online
market,
7
percentage
points
higher
than
in
2019.
But
we
aren't
resting
on
our
laurels.
In
the
second
half,
the
team
combined
the
best
of
our
product
in
Same
Game
Multis
with
our
leading
value
proposition
by
offering
personalized
bet
return
tokens
to
Same
Game
Multi
bettors.
By
combining
our
top
line
growth
with
the
operational
efficiency
scale
can
deliver
and
the
synergy
benefit
from
the
TSG
merger,
our
EBITDA
margin
has
expanded
by 10
percentage
points
in
just
two
years.
This
is
an
EBITDA
growth
compound
rate
of
64%
over
that
time.
Sportsbet
provides
the
perfect
template
of
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
in
other
international
markets
and
showcases
their
financial
benefits
and
market
leadership.
Now
moving
on
to
International.
We're
really
pleased to
see
those
key
areas
of investment
that
Jonathan
talked
you
through
are
starting
to
pay
off.
On
the left,
you
can
see
how
we
successfully
stabilized
our
market
share
in
poker
with
a
steady
decline
from
the beginning
of
2019 flattening
as
we
began
to
invest
in
the
poker
proposition
and
in
particular
since
Q4,
since
we
launched
our
new
reward
scheme
which
has
really
resonated
with
customers.
Stabilizing
this
player
base
is
crucial
to
our
casino
and
sports
cross-sell
business.
We've
also
improved
the
sustainability
of
our
business,
with
78%
of
revenues
now
coming
from
regulated
or
regulating
markets,
a
number
that
will
continue
to
rise.
We
are
very
pleased
with the
growth
we're
seeing
in our
casino
business through
both
cross-sell
and
direct
casino.
We
saw
an
all-time
record
from
casino-first
customers
during
Q4.
Having
improved
the
sustainability of
the
business,
we're
now
very
focused
on
the
opportunities
ahead
for
this
division.
On
slide
31,
we've
selected
a
number
of
markets
where
we
see
excellent
potential
for
further
growth.
These
markets
are
at
varying
degrees
of
regulation,
with
Italy
and
Georgia
regulated,
and
Canada
and
Brazil
regulating.
The
projected
TAM
of
these
markets
is
approximately
£26
billion
by
2026,
with
a
projected
online
compound
annual
growth
rate
of
10%
over
the
next
five
years.
The
real
growth
for
Flutter
in
these
markets
there
will
hopefully
come
from
growing
our
market
share.
Today
we
have
an
8%
online
market
share
in
these
markets,
which,
given
our
extensive
capabilities,
feels
low
to
me.
We
have
a
big
opportunity
to
grow
this
share. And
our
International
team
are
focused
on
replicating
the
success
we
have
in
other
markets
where
we
achieved
local
scale.
Finally,
slide
32
just
provides
an
updated
view
on what
the
shape
of
the
division
will look
like
once
we
complete
the
Sisal
acquisition.
In
addition,
the Sisal
will help
us
to
further
diversify
the
business
and
provide
us
with
access
to
the attractive
Italian
market
where
our
share
will
then
exceed
over
20%
and
also
bring
an
omni-channel
advantage that
we hope
will unlock
further
benefits
across
our
other
brands.
And
we
look
forward
to
welcoming
Francesco
and
his
team
to
the
division.
In
conclusion,
I'm
happy
with
the
progress
we've
made
across
the
group
in
2021.
We're
very
focused
on
the
future.
With
a
refreshed
strategy
[ph]
that's
put
sustainability
is
heart, (00:37:36)
I
believe
we
are
very
well
positioned
to
continue
to
grow
our
presence
globally.
We
must
be
relentless
in
making
sure
that
our
product
remains
industry-leading
and
that we
drive
efficiencies
within
the
group
as
we
do
so.
And with it
now,
we'll
now
open it
up
to
any
questions
you
may
have.
We'll
take
questions
from
the
room
first
and then,
if
we
have
time,
we'll
go
to
the
phone
lines.
For
those
of
you who are
on
the
phone,
please
press
star
one
if
you'd
like
to
ask
a
question.
As
I
said,
we'll
take
them
from
the
room
first.
And
can
I
ask,
as
usual,
that
you
limit yourselves
to
two
questions
and
not
too
many
subparts
in
the
first
instance,
so
we
can give
everybody
a
chance.
[ph]
Michael? (00:38:20)
U
Great.
Good
morning,
Peter. Good
morning,
Jonathan.
Thanks
for
taking
the
questions.
Two,
if
I
can.
The
first
on
the
US
and quite
a few
references
to
superior
cost
economics
through
the
presentation.
And
if I
picked
up
the
statistic
correctly,
I
think
you
said
your
spend
was
about
25%
lower
than
key
competitors.
I
just
wonder
what
that
efficiency
is
when
you
look
at
it
kind
of on a
customer
acquisition
and/or
customer
retention
basis. So,
just
interested
in
some
further
color
in
terms
of
where
you
think
you're
outperforming.
And
then secondly,
on
the
UK
market, if I can, and
again
an
interesting
detail
in
terms
of
the
concentration
of
your
revenue
base
in
terms
of
higher
value
customers.
When
you
think
about
that
7%
from
that
higher
value
cohort,
how
do
you
think
about
that
number
going
forward,
particularly
given
the
changes
we
could
get or
we
will
get,
should
I
say,
from
the
Gambling Act
in
the
coming
months? Thanks.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Thank
you,
[ph]
Michael (00:39:13).
Look,
taking
the
question
around
the
US,
I
think
there
are
two
very
important
factors
that
are
going
on
around
efficiency.
And
I
always
go
back
to
looking
at
the
sort
of
CAC
to
LTV dynamics
that
we're
seeing
in
the
market,
which
is,
for
us,
the
most
important
dynamic. And
I
think
from a
sort of
acquisition
cost
perspective,
we
undoubtedly
have
always
had
a
benefit
in
the
market
in
terms
of
our
ability
to
cross-sell
customers
from
DFS
into
sports.
And
that's
something
that
we've
made
sure
we
really
benefit
from.
But
the
team
have also
been
very
disciplined
when
it
comes
to
our
marketing
spend.
It's
very
easy
to
get
sucked
into
signing
deals
and
partnerships
and
you
can
spend
a
lot
of
money
very
needlessly.
And there
are
some
quotes
and
opportunities
that
we've
passed on,
which
proved
to
be
the
right
decision.
So
I
think
the
team
have
done
a
great
job
for
us
in
being
very
diligent
around
our
marketing
investment.
And
whilst
we
have –
we
do
spend
more
money
than
other
people,
we
think
we
also
spend
it
very
wisely when
we
do. And
when
we
look
and
track
our
acquisition
costs,
we
can
see
that
and
it gives
us
real
confidence
in
the
team's
performance.
I
think
at
the
back
side
of
that sort
of
equation,
looking
at
the
LTVs, we
obviously
have
a
structural
margin
advantage
because
of
the
Same
Game
Parlay, right?
And
we've
seen
very
substantial
use
of
that
product
amongst
our
customers,
which
gives
us
a
margin
advantage.
But,
ultimately,
the
fact
that
our
retention
levels
are
so
high
also
helps
with
the
lifetime
values.
And
the
reason
that
we're
getting
such
good
use
of
the
Parlay
product,
the
reason
we
get
such
good
retention
is because
we
have
the
best
product
in
the
market.
And
the
great
thing
about
the
US
is
you
can
look
at
this –
a
lot
of
market
data
comes
out
in
a
state-by-state
and,
often,
almost
as
a
weekly
basis.
And
New
York,
for
me,
is
a
great
example.
I
mean, you
can
look
at
– people
have got
big
market
shares
of
handle
because
they're
handing
out
free
dollars.
But
you now
look
at
where
the
market
shares
have
gone
when
people
are
actually
reverting
back
to
using
the
best
products.
And
FanDuel
is
kind of
born
in
that
market.
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
I
think
it's
worth
looking
back
at
the
last
six
months.
I
mean,
we've
had,
undoubtedly,
the
most
aggressive
start
to
NFL
that
we've
ever
had.
And
we'll
probably
[ph]
sell (00:41:29)
again
next
year,
by
the
way.
Well,
hopefully,
we
won't,
but
maybe
we
will.
And
we've
seen
some
people
coming
in
with
very,
very
aggressive
offers.
And
we
have
seen
our
economics
through
that
period
hold
up
and
we
maintained
discipline
at
times
when
people
were
buying
handle
share.
And
it
was
– there
were
some
crazy
offers
out
there.
But,
actually,
what
we've
seen
is
we've
seen
announcements
from
competitors
around
their
levels
of
spend
ongoing
and
pullbacks.
We
have
seen
our
returns
looking
fantastic
and
we're
leaning
in,
not
leaning
out
at
this
point
because
of
the
returns
that
we're
seeing
from
investment
at
this
point
and
have
seen
through
the
whole
of
the season
because
we've
maintained
our
discipline,
but
now
we're
seeing
some
really
attractive
investment
opportunities
in
terms
of CAC to LTVs
in
that
market
and
we
feel
very
positive
about
where
we
are
today.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Yeah.
I
think that's
an
important
point.
We're
seeing
competitors
pull
back.
We're
actually
leaning
in
because
we're
seeing
the
CAC to LTV
dynamics
are
improving
for
us.
In
terms
of
the
UK,
when
we
look
at
the
shape
of
the
market,
and
I've
talked
about it
a
little
bit
and
we
compare
that
with
wealth
distribution
or
income
tax
distribution
in
the
UK.
We
think
our
business
is
more
favorably
skewed,
right?
So
we
think
we're
in
a
very
good
starting
point.
We've
got
a
very –
we've
got
the
best
recreational
base
of
customers
and
brands
in
the
market.
And
so
we
think
that
– look,
there
are
going
to
be
changes
that
occur.
We
have
made
some
significant
investments
and
we
talked
about
it
in
terms
of
our
Positive
Impact
Plan.
Yes,
I've
shown
you
the
revenue
that
we've
taken
out
of
the
business
over
the
course
of
last
year. But
we
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
to
get
ahead
of
these
changes.
And
we
believe
that
the
Gambling
Act
will
introduce
a
sort of more
level
playing
field.
So
it
could
be
that
competitors
can
claim
the
delivery
market
great
but
I'm
not sure
how
sustainable
that
will
be
in
the
long
run.
We
think
we've got
the
right
shape
and
distribution
of
business
today.
And
we
think
we've
got
the
right
focus
on
the
recreational
base
for
whatever
the
changes
are
that the
Gambling
Act
review
introduces.
And
I'm
relatively
buoyed
by
the
fact
that
they
seem
to
be
taking
quite
an
evidence-led
approach
to
it.
And
we
think
we've
got
some
good
data
and
insights
to
share
with
them
with
the
things
that
we've
been
doing.
U
Thank
you.
R
Richard Stuber
Analyst, Numis Securities Ltd.
Hi.
Morning.
Richard
Stuber
from
Numis.
A
couple of
questions,
actually.
Just
the
first
one,
just
following
on
for
the
last
question
about
the
highest
value
tier.
Could
you
say
how
you
define
that?
Is
that
how
much
the
spend
per
month
from
those
customers?
Because
clearly,
if
the
cap
goes,
say,
from
£500 maximum
deposit
to
£300,
that
can
make
a
huge
difference.
And
the
definition
of
that
7%
could
be
a
lot
higher.
So,
any
sort of
numbers
around
what
you
define
that?
And
then
the
second question
on
the
US.
Obviously,
incredibly
good
market
share.
But
do you
have
any
sense
of
how
the
black
market
is
going
on
in
the
US?
Whether
you're
taking
–
whether
you're
– a
lot
of
these
of
black
market
operators,
you're
taking
share
from
them
as
well?
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
So,
look,
in
terms
of
the
UK
market,
we
have
taken
a
lot
of
steps
to
address
what
we
think
is
some
of
the
challenges
in
the
sector,
whether
it's
looking
at customers
when
they
come
and
they
join
us,
the
monitoring
that
we
have
and
then
the
sort
of the
backstop
we
have
in
terms
of
looking
at
people's
expenditure.
And
we
now
started
just
to
distinguish
that
with
difference
of
age
categories
as
well.
So,
ultimately,
we
think
that
our
business
is
very
well
set
up
for
whatever
changes
that
come.
And
we've
heard
lots
of
noise
around
how
affordability
checks
can
be
introduced.
We
think
that
the
approach
that
we're
taking,
whether
there's
granular
set
of
different
approaches
in
different
segments
is
the
right
answer
rather
than
some
sort
of
simplified
figure
for
the
whole
market.
But
we'll
wait
and
see
whether
the
review
of
the
Gambling
Act
ends
up
in
a
similar
position.
But
I
think
if
I go
back
to
the
point
that
I
made
before,
you're
right,
you
can
sort of
define
the
high-value
tiers
in
all
sorts
of
different
ways.
But
ultimately,
if
we
look
at
things
like
the
income
tax
distribution
and
you'll
be
well
aware
that
the
top
1%
of
income
taxpayers
generate
30%
of
the
income
tax
base,
our
business
is
nowhere
near
skewed
like
that, right?
So,
yeah,
it
gives
us
real
reassurance
that
our
business
is
very
well
set
up
for
the
market
distribution
dynamics
that
we
see.
In
terms of
the
US, I'm
afraid
we
are –
we've
never
been
focused
on
sort of
market
share
targets,
right?
We
always
talk
about
the
fact
we've
been
focused
on
our sort of CAC
to LTV
dynamics.
As
Jonathan
mentioned
earlier,
we're
actually
seeing
them
really
favorably
at
the moment.
We're
delighted with
how
the
business
is
performing.
We're
pushing
really
hard
to
take
advantage
of
the fact
that we've
got
the
best
product
in
the
market.
We
just
had
a
fantastic
Super
Bowl.
We're
delighted
with
the
market
share
that
we've
taken.
We're
winning
in
so
many
key
states
and
the
business
has
got
terrific
momentum
in
it.
And
of
course,
we're
seeing
that
we
also have
operating
leverage
come
through
into
the
business.
So
we're
taking
advantage
and
pushing
as
hard
as
we
can.
I
have
no
doubt
we're
taking
business
from
some
of
the
black
market
operators,
but
they'll
still
be
doing
very
well
in
states
like
California,
Florida,
and
Texas,
which
have
yet
to
regulate.
Jonathan,
if
there's
anything to
add?
S
Simon Davies
Analyst, Deutsche Bank AG
Morning.
Simon
Davies
from
Deutsche
Bank.
Two
from
me,
please.
You
talked
about
£93
million
of
safer
gambling
costs
last
year.
Can
you
give
us
a
feel
for
where
those
were
incurred
and,
in
particular,
what
the
cost
was
of
the
introduction
of
max
stakes
and
deposit
limits?
And
secondly,
can
you
give
some
guidance
in
terms
of
revenues
coming
from
Eastern
Europe?
And
are
you
seeing
any
impact
given
the
recent
invasion
of
Ukraine
on
some
of
the
neighboring
markets,
in
particular
Georgia?
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Look...
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
I'll take
the first.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Yeah,
Jonathan will take the first one.
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
Yeah. So,
I
mean,
look, there's
a
whole
range
of
things
that
add
up
to
the
£93 million
and
obviously
we've
been
putting
in
lower
thresholds as
we
gone
through
the
year.
We've
undertaken
daily
deposit
limits
for
all
customers.
Actually,
the
[ph]
temp on (00:48:02)
staking
limit
on
slots
has
been
a
very,
very
small
proportion
of
that,
so
well
less
than
10%.
So,
that's
not
been
a
big
driver
of
it.
It's
been
the
general
multitude
of
actions
that
we've
undertaken
across
a
whole
range
of
areas.
So
I
wouldn't
put
it
on
certainly
to
that
[ph]
temp on (00:48:21) slot
limit
or so.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
In
terms
of
the
impact
across sort of
the
broader
region
of
Eastern
Europe
first
in
terms
of
the
changes
we're seeing,
we
haven't
– we've
obviously seen
impacts
in
the
countries
which have
been
directly
impacted. And
of
course,
the
most
important
thing
from
our
perspective
is
from
our
colleagues
who
are
based
in
and
around
the
region.
We
have
a
large
number
of
contractors,
nearly
80
contractors or
subcontractors
based
in
Ukraine,
and
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
support
them
and
their
families,
including
relocation
for
their
families,
if
that's
appropriate,
to
some of
the
country's
neighboring
where
we
may
have
locations. And
we
have
two
direct
employees
in
Russia.
As
it
relates
to
the
performance
of the
business
in
Georgia
and
Armenia,
we
haven't
seen
any
significant
impact
as
a
result
of
the
conflict.
D
David Brohan
Analyst, Goodbody Stockbrokers ULC
Morning,
guys. David
Brohan, Goodbody's.
Just
two
questions
from
me.
So,
firstly,
as
part
of
the
sustainability
plans
that
you
announced
yesterday,
you
talked
about
the
50%
and
75%
targets
in
2026
and 2030.
Can
you give
any
color
in
terms
of
where
that
currently
sits?
And
then
just
also
on
retail,
so
in
terms
of
the
Irish
retail
business
versus
the
UK,
there's
quite
a
divergence
in
terms
of
the
recovery
versus
2019.
So,
how
should
we
kind
of be
thinking
about
Irish
retail
going
forward
versus
2019
levels?
Thanks.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Okay.
Yeah.
Look,
in
terms
of
the
Play
Well
metrics,
we're
currently
at
around
35%
against
that
metric.
There
are
different
– we're at different
stages
in
different
parts
of
the
globe.
And
I
think
if
I
look
at
a
market
like
the
US,
we're
taking
–
we're
trying
to take
a
relative
leadership
position
around
that.
So
we'll be
doing
some
safer
gambling
advertising
in
Q2.
We've
been
the
first
operator
to
sign
up
to
offer Gamban
software
to
customers.
There's
a
variety of
things
we're
doing.
We're
building
our
own
AI
models
for
the
US
market,
recognizing the
differences
in
the
US
market
compared
with
what
we're
seeing
overseas.
And as an
example,
we'll
be
tracking
to
400
metrics
across
our
consumers
in
the
UK
to
try
and identify
any
examples
of
people
who
are
exhibiting
behaviors
that
we're
uncomfortable
with.
So
there's a
lot
we're
going
to be
doing
in
the
US
in
recognizing
our
leadership
position
we
have
in
that
market
and
a
very
substantial
growth
in
the
business.
I
think
it's
also
important
that
we
show
leadership
in
that
area,
too.
Jonathan,
I
don't know
whether you
want
to
reference
where
we
are
on
Irish
retail.
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
Look, I
think
what
we're
seeing
behaviorally
in
Ireland
is
just
is
different
than
what we've
seen
in
the
UK.
I
think
the
UK
has
gone
sort
of
post-COVID
at
a
much
earlier
stage,
with
people
feeling
much
more
confident
about
going
into
retail
outlets, etcetera,
etcetera. And
obviously
we've
been
more
fully
open
for
a
longer
period
in
the
UK
than
we
have
had.
Look,
we'll
see
how
behaviors
change
over
the
next
three
to
six
months.
We're
still
confident
that
Irish
retail
is
a
very
key
place
in
the
market.
We
know
we
get
benefits
from
having
that
iconic
brand
on
the
high
street
and
that
will
continue.
But
we
have
no
doubt
that
the
Irish
retail
will
bounce
back
in
time.
It's
just
a
case
of
how
long
that's
going
to
take.
D
David Brohan
Analyst, Goodbody Stockbrokers ULC
Thanks, guys.
K
Kiranjot Grewal
Analyst, BofA Securities
Hi.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Hi.
K
Kiranjot Grewal
Analyst, BofA Securities
This
is
Kiranjot
Grewal
from
Bank
of
America.
Just
two
questions
from
me.
Firstly,
on
stickiness,
your
product
seems
to
be
better
and
bigger
in
terms
of
range and
that
seems
to
be
driving
a
lot
of
the
demand.
But
is
there
a
risk
there
could
be
catch-up
from
competitors?
Or
is
there
some
kind
of
element
within
the
product
that
would
drive
loyalty?
And
then
the
second
one
is
on
US
IPO.
We
spoke
in
detail
about
it,
I
think,
six or
seven
months
ago.
And
there
were,
I
think,
three
reasons
you
outlined
why
you
wanted
to
do
it.
Given
where
the
share
prices
have
headed
or the
market
is headed in
the
last
six
months,
is
that
still
on
the
cards for,
say,
this
year
or
could
that
be
delayed?
Thank
you.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
And
I
presume
your
reference
to
stickiness
of
product
is
in
the
US.
I
mean, because
I
could
talk
about
any
one
of
our
products, right?
K
Kiranjot Grewal
Analyst, BofA Securities
Sorry, yes.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
They're
great
in
all
the
markets
we
operate.
Look,
I
mean
there's
a
hundred
things
you
have
to
do. Yeah,
well,
many
more
actually
and
the
product
team
would
kick
me
for
saying
any
hundred.
There's
many
things
you
have to
do
to
get
the
product
right
for
customers.
The
speed
and
ease
of
use
is
a
really
important
aspect.
If
you
think
about
the
way
in
which
the
variety
of
markets
that
we
have
available
to
better
surface
the
markets
that
people
want
to
find
quickly
and
enable
them
to
get
on –
get
their
bets
on
in
a
way
that
works
them
really
efficiently
is
important.
Actually
the
Same
Game
Parlay
product
and
the
integration
of
that
and
the
ability
to
evolve
that,
as
we
have
done,
and
I
mentioned
what
we've
done
in
Australia
in
terms
of
building
tokenization
and
generosity
into
it
and
there's
other
ways
in
which
we
will,
those
things
are
really
important.
So
we're
not
standing
still.
We've
got
the
benefits
of
operating
a
global
platform.
So
the
platform
that
sits
behind
our
team
in
America
is
the
same
one
that
sits
behind
our
Paddy
Power
and
Betfair
businesses.
And
we
can
actually
share
and
take
ideas
and
concepts
from
one
business
to
another.
So,
we
have
a
very
big
development
team
to
support
our
American
business,
but
they
also
have
the
benefits
to be able
to
steal
ideas
and
products
and
services
that
they
see
from
other
divisions
as
well.
So
the
way
I
think
about
it
is they've
got
thousands
of
cheerleaders
who
are
– they're
helping
build
products
in
America,
and
we're
certainly
not
standing
still.
And
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
Super
Bowl
this
year,
there
were
no
issues
from
a
customer
service
perspective
or
stability
perspective.
A
lot
of
– I mean, there
have
been
challenges
in the
past,
but
the
massive
volumes
we're
putting
through
that
platform,
the
business
and the
platform,
all
stood
up
really
well. And
I
think
that
shouldn't
be
underestimated.
So
I
think
when
we
look
at
the
retention
levels
in
the
business,
it's
very
much
driven
by
the
quality
of
the
products.
And
there's
lots
of
aspects
to
that.
And
you
can
look
at
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(00:54:45) for
example,
undertake
a
review
and
assess
the
quality
of
our
product
and
have
us
ranked
number
one.
And
our
customers
are
voting
with
their
feet.
They
may
take
other
people's
free
money,
but
they
come
and
continue
to
use
FanDuel.
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
But
at
the
end
of the
day,
we
have
to
be
paranoid
because everybody
else
is
going to
be
trying to
catch
up.
So
we've got
to
stay
ahead
and
keep
investing,
and
that's
why
you
can
see
our
cost
base
growing.
We're
putting
in
more
tech
folk
in
both
the
sports
betting
side.
We've
also
got
a
big
opportunity
on
the
gaming
side
that
we
haven't
monetized
properly
yet,
and
that's
why
we
put
another 100
heads
into
that
business.
We've
just
moved
one
of
our
most
experienced
casino
guys
across
the
US,
and
he'll
be
going
over
there
very
shortly
to
help
really
try
and
get
some
growth –
more
growth
into
that
side
of
the
business
and
really
make
sure
that our
product
does
everything
it
needs
to
do
on
the
gaming
side
as
well
as
the
sports
side.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Yeah. And look,
as
it
relates
to
the
IPO
of
a
small
stake
in
FanDuel,
the
reasons
that
we
talked
about
it in
the
past were
the
fact
that you
get
this
with
the
marketing
benefits
of
having
a
listed
vehicle
in
the
US.
And
we
know
that
DraftKings
get
a
lot
of
publicity off
the
back
of
their listing
with
their
customers
buying
So it's
something
that
we
would
like
to
get
the
benefits
of.
We
often
talk
about
the
levels
of
the
partnerships
that
we
have,
whether
that's
with
marketing
channels
or
personalities
or
different
media
businesses.
And
to
be
able
to pay
for
some
of
those
in
equity
as
well
as
cash
is
important,
although
I
suspect
that
some of
the
people
who took
equity
a
while
ago
are
wishing
they had
now
taken
cash.
Yeah.
And
then
finally,
there's
also
the ability
to be
able
to
remunerate
your
colleagues
with
local
equity,
which
is
important.
So those
factors
are
all
important
for
us.
It's
not
something
that
we
need
to
do.
And
clearly,
we're
monitoring
the
markets
at
the
moment
and
it's
something
which
the
board
will
keep
under
evaluation.
James?
J
James Wheatcroft
Analyst, Jefferies International Ltd.
Morning.
James
Wheatcroft
from
Jefferies.
Path
to profitability
has
been
a
sort of key
discussion
topic,
I
think,
with
the
market
over
the
last
few
months.
Historically,
you've
talked
about
having
a
25%
EBITDA
margin in
the
mature
US
states. I
was
wondering
whether
you
could
give
us
a
feel
for
how
maybe New
Jersey
is
developing
along
that
path
and
how
long
before
it
might
be
we
see
other
states
in
that
sort
of same
category,
please?
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Jonathan?
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
It
obviously –
what
we've
outlined
this
morning
is
this
12
to
24
months
of
getting
into
that
profitable
state
on
a
state-by-state
basis.
We
obviously
only
have
a
short
period
of
history
for
the
states
that
came
after
New
Jersey. In
New
Jersey,
we are
very
comfortable
with
the
level of
contribution
percentage
that
we're
seeing
from
that
state,
and
a
gaming
state
and
a
sports
betting
state
where
we
have
a
very
strong
market
share
and
a
good
tax
rate.
And
we're
very
happy
with
where
we
are
in
the
state.
We
haven't
got
enough
track
record
to
start
talking
about
the
state-by-state
contribution
percentages
for
those
states
that
came
in
2019.
But
I
think,
over
time,
we
will
look
at
how
we
try
and
bring
to
life
in
more
for
you
guys
where
those
2019
states
and
hopefully
the
trajectory
of
those
2020
states
and
we
can
start
building
those
J-curves
for
you.
At
the
minute,
we're
a
little
bit
early
in
those
2019
states
to
really
start
seeing
where
they're
getting
to
in
terms
of
that contribution
percentage.
But
I
can
assure
you,
we
feel
very
confident
in
the
direction
of
travel
on
these
dates
and
even
more
so
after
the
last
six
months
we've
seen.
E
Ed Young
Analyst, Morgan Stanley & Co. International Plc
Thank
you.
Ed
Young
from
Morgan
Stanley.
My
first
question
was
on
the
UK.
The
regulatory
impacts
you
outlined
started
at
£7
million
in
Q1
with
£37
million by
Q4.
You're
expecting
incrementally
more
measures
to
be
introduced
because
that
would
suggest
a
run
rate
of
£150
million,
£160
million or
so,
and
obviously
£37
million in
Q4,
£7 million
Q1.
It seems
like
a £50
million
or £60
million
headwind
to
revenue
potentially,
if
it
stays
at
the
current
level or
maybe
higher
than
that,
if
it
goes
through.
So,
could
you
maybe
talk
about
what
we
expect
going
into
next
year?
The
short
question
there
is,
should
US
– should
UK
online
profitability
grow and
next
year
what
should
we
expect?
That's
really
where
I'm driving
at.
And
the
second
question
is
on
international.
You
gave
the
very
helpful
pitch
there.
I
think
the
H2
run
rate
was
just
– that's
run
rating
about
£240
million. I think
you
called
out,
Jonathan,
another
£55
million for
Germany
and
the
Netherlands.
You
obviously
mentioned
the Ukraine
and
Russia
as
well.
Is
there
any
sense, do
you
think,
that
there's
a
case
to be
made
to
pull
back
on
some
of
the
investment
you've
made
by
choice
there
to
stabilize
profitability,
or
do
you
see
that
as
essential
to
drive
the
revenue
to
get
back
to
growth?
Is
there
any
kind
of
cost
action
you're
considering
in that
division,
given
how
much
it's
come
down
in
EBITDA
terms
from
2019
and
2020 levels?
Thanks.
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
On
the
UK&I,
I
think
there's
three
moving
parts
to
consider
as
we
look
at
2021
into
2022.
There's,
first,
I
think
the
recreational
market
will
still remain
a
bit
of
the
market
that
will
be
a
better
part
of
the
market
to
be
in,
and
I
still
think
on
that
recreation
element, there'll
probably
still
be
growth.
But
the
overall
market,
as
we
said
in
Q3,
we
think
will
probably
be
flat.
So,
if
we
want
to
be
in
one
part
of
the
market,
I
think
we're
in
the
right
place.
I
think
what
we're
effectively
doing
is
bringing
into
our
business
what
we
expect
to
have
to
bring
into
the
business
anyway.
So,
in
my
view,
we're
just
building
sustainability
now
rather
than
building
it
a
little
bit later,
and
I
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
for
the
business.
As
we
see
the
customer
economics
evolve,
so
on
the
cost
side,
there's
two
things
that
will
affect
the
business
and
the
customer
on
the
cost
side.
One
is
just
the general
customer
economics.
If
we
see
lower
values,
therefore,
what does
that
mean
for
promotional
and marketing
spend
as
go
forwards
and
what
can
we
actually
afford
to
invest
in
that
CAC to
TV
equation
to
ensure
that
we're
driving
the
right
value.
And
the
second
thing
will
be
on
the
cost
base
and
the
integration.
The
UK&I
integration
was
always
more
–
the
Australia
and
the
corporate
stuff
was
very
short-term
because
in
Australia
we
were
obviously bringing
two
businesses
together
and
it
was
two
people
for
one
job
and
two
car
spaces
into
one.
So
it
was
very
quick
and
it
was
done
incredibly
effectively
by
the
team.
The
same
in
group,
it
was
cost
to
contract,
etcetera.
In
UK&I,
it
was
always
going
to
be
more
complex.
It's
about
major
changes
in
the
tech,
which,
as
you
know,
in
our
sector
don't
happen
overnight.
It's
complex. So
it's
a
multiyear
process.
And
there'll
be
some
structural
change
that'll
happen
in
that
business
over
time.
So you've
got three
sort
of
moving
parts
in
terms
of
the
market,
the
[ph]
SGE (01:01:58)
stuff
coming
in,
plus
the
cost base.
We
feel
that
we
should
see
profitability
going
forwards
in
that
business
from
the
mix
of
those
three
things
year-on-year
from
2021 into
2022 in
terms
of
the
UK&I
online
profitability.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
And then
regarding
your
question
around
International and the
investment we
put
into
the
business,
I
mean,
I
think
you
need
to
look
at
it
in
different
buckets.
I
mean,
half
of
the
money
we
put
into
investment
was
stuff
that
we
absolutely
had
to
do.
And
I
would describe
it as
sort of rebuilding
the
foundations,
keeping
the
lights
on type
of stuff
for
the
business,
which
there's
no
choice
around.
In
terms
of
the
growth-orientated levels
of
investment,
around half
of
that went into
the
casino
business.
And
we're
seeing
a
really
good
performance
in
our
directly
acquired
casino
business
now.
The
revenue is
four
times
than
it
was
pre-merger
and
now
that
we've
built
the
capabilities,
we're
just
being
able
to
sort of
replicate
that
into
a
number
of
its
incremental
markets.
And
we're
really
pleased
with
how
that's
doing,
the
returns
it's
generating.
We
have
put
some
money
behind
the
PokerStars
brand.
It
is
important
for
us
in
markets
like
Brazil
and
Canada,
which
we
just
referenced
as
being
two
important
components,
when
you
look
at
how
big
that
TAM
could
get.
But
there's
also
places
we're
investing,
things
like
into
the
Betfair brand
in
LatAm,
Junglee.
So
it
is
important
to
remember that
when
we
talk
about
International, it
isn't
just
PokerStars, and
there's
some
really
important
businesses there
that
we're
investing and
getting
good
growth
from.
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
I
mean,
one
of
the
benefits
of
having
the
portfolio
is
we
– just
because
the
International
profitability
is
pulled
back,
if
we
still
see
great
paybacks
in
markets,
we
don't
have
to
say,
well,
we
can't
do
that because
we've
got
to
keep that
bit
of
the
business
growing
at
a
certain
rate
or
taking
profit
today
rather
than
growing
the
business.
We've
got
to
do
the
right
thing
across
the
portfolio.
And
to
Peter's
point, I
mean,
half
of
our
year-on-year
sales
and
marketing
uplift
in
International
is
actually
because
we've
got Junglee
in
for
the
full
– for
the
2021
year.
And
actually
the
paybacks
we're
seeing
in
that
market,
for
instance,
are
fantastic.
So
we're
going
to do
the
right
thing
for
the
medium
term
of
the
business
and
not
do
something
just
to
try
and
shore
up
short-term
profitability
because that
would
be
– that
would
not
be
driving
shareholder
value
in
this
case.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Are there any
more
questions?
Maybe
should we
go
to
the
– were
there
any
questions
coming
on
the
phone?
Don't
quite
know
how
we
managed
the
–
I've
forgotten
how
we
do
these
hybrid
events.
Operator
So
the
first question
is
coming
from
Joe
Stauff
from Susquehanna.
Please
go ahead.
Your
line
is
open
now.
J
Joseph Stauff
Analyst, Susquehanna Financial Group LLLP
Thank
you.
Good
morning,
everyone.
Peter,
I
was
wondering
if
you
can
give
us
maybe
an
updated
view
on
the
timing
you'd
expect
for
the
arbitration
process
with
FOX.
And
then,
I
wanted
to
ask
about
how
do
you
think
about
the
casino
strategy
in
the
US?
So do you have – are
you
thinking
of
consolidating
brands
or
going
with
one
particular
brand?
If
you
can
comment
on
that,
please.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Okay.
Look, Joe,
you'll
have noticed
from
our
release
this
morning
that
we
mentioned
that
there's
been
a
delay
to
the
timing
of
the
arbitration
FOX
because
we've
been
in
dialogue
with
them.
But
we
now
have
a
date
set
for
June,
and
that's
what
we'll
be
working
towards.
And
look, we're
very
comfortable
going
into
arbitration.
We
think we've
got
a
very
robust
position.
And
ultimately
that's
the
new
timeframe.
It
was
the
right
thing
to
do
to
have
a
dialogue
with
FOX,
push
back
the
original
dates.
Ultimately,
we'll
run
to
that
arbitration
timetable.
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
And
look,
I
mean,
you
all
know
this,
but
we
recognize
absolutely
the
value
of
the
FanDuel
asset
and
therefore
any
deal
that
might
be
done
with
FOX,
we'll
have
to
recognize
that.
And
if
we
can't
get
the
deal
is
right
for
our
shareholders,
we're
very
comfortable
going
to
arbitration.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Yeah,
absolutely
right.
And then,
look,
in
terms
of
what
we
do
in
the
US
from
a
casino
perspective,
we
know
that
there's
more
for
us
to
do.
But
fortunately, we
know
what
we
need
to do
because
we're
very
good
at
growing
direct
casino
businesses
really
all
around
the
world.
So,
as
Jonathan
mentioned
earlier,
we're
bringing
over
one
of
our
top
casino
managers
into
the
US to
help
support
our
business.
And
there's
a
heap
of
things
that
we've
got
planned
to
do
for
that
business
over
the
course
of
this
year.
I
don't
necessarily
tell
our
competitors
all
of
our
plans,
but
you
can
rest
assured
that
we're
very
good
at
growing
direct
casino
businesses
and we
intend
to
continue
to
do
that
in
the
US.
But,
of
course,
we
have
the
best
set of
customers
to
cross-sell
into,
which
is the
sportsbook
we
have
in
the
US
market
where
we're
the
leaders. And,
of
course, it's
also
worth
remembering
that
sportsbook
is
where
the
action
is
really
at at
the
moment
in
America,
it's
where
the
next
few
states
will
come
on
stream,
and
that's
our
strong
hand.
So
we'll
continue
to
make
sure
we
really
exploit
that.
But
there
is
more
work
to
do
in
casino.
We've
actually
held
our
market
share,
which
I
think
is
quite
remarkable.
When we
look
at
the sort of
the
quality
of
our
products,
there's
lots
we
know
we're
going
to
do
to
improve
it
and
we
will
do
so.
Operator
And the
next
question
is
coming
from
James
Rowland
Clark
from
Barclays.
Please
go
ahead.
Your
line
is
open
now.
J
James Rowland Clark
Analyst, Barclays Capital Securities Ltd.
Hi.
Good
morning,
everyone.
A
couple
of
questions,
please,
on
the
US
and
on
the
UK.
Just
on
the
US,
are
you
able
to
provide
a
revenue
target
and
EBITDA
loss
guidance for
2022? Just
wondering whether
you
can
hit
£1
billion
worth
of
revenue
this
year.
And then
on
the
UK,
I just had
to clear,
the
review
ends
up
producing legislation
that's
a little
bit
better
than
you've
planned
with
your
safer
gambling
measures.
Are
you
in
a
position
where
you
can
switch
the
business
back
on
to
higher
value
customers
or
reacquire
or
retain
these
customers?
Thank
you.
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
Shall
I
take
the
first
one?
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Yes,
please.
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
Okay.
So
we
won't
be
providing
revenue
guidance
at
this
point
on
the
US.
And
it
will
definitely,
I
would
expect,
be
higher
than
the
£1.4
billion,
$1.9
billion
we
did
in
2021.
But
I'm
not
giving
a
number
for
that.
In
terms
of
EBITDA
and
the
loss,
I
think
we
are
not
giving
specific
guidance
at
this
point, but as a starting point, considering our losses in 2021
at
a
comparable sort
of
level for
2022 is
a
very good
starting
point.
We're
not
here
to
discuss a
significant
increase
in
EBITDA loss
at
all. Unlike
some
of
our
competitors, we
would
think
a
reasonable
starting
point
is
where
we
got
to
in
2021
with
a
clear route to where
we're going
in 2023,
which
I
think
we've flagged
pretty
clearly,
hopefully.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Thank you,
Jonathan.
Look,
in
terms
of
the
potentials
of
outcome
in
the UK
environment,
look,
we
think
it's
very
important
to build
a
business
that's sustainable.
I
think
what the
regulators are
certainly
going
to
do
is
introduce
a
level-playing
field. You
could
say
that
we have
moved
ahead of
the
regulators in
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
for
the
business.
And
if
that
is
the
case, I
think
it'll be
good
when
the
regulators can
introduce
a
level-playing
field.
People
who are
posting
big
growth numbers,
you've
got
to ask
how
they're doing
that
and
how sustainable
it
is.
I
think
we're
all
desperate
for
some clarity
and
we'll
get
that
with the
introduction
of
the
Gambling
Act
review,
and
we'll
make
sure
that
we
shape
our
business
appropriately once
we
know
how
the
UK
government
wants
to
introduce
that
legislation.
Operator
And the
next
question
is
coming
from Monique
Pollard from
Citi.
Please
go
ahead. Your
line
is
open.
M
Monique Pollard
Analyst, Citigroup Global Markets Ltd.
Hi.
Good
morning,
everyone.
A
couple
of
questions
from
me,
if
I
can;
one
on
Australia,
one
on
the
US.
So, just
on
Australia,
obviously,
you've
seen
huge
scale
benefits
coming
through
with
marketing cost – sales and marketing cost just 9%
of
revenues
in
2021. I
just
wondered
if there
was potential for that
marketing
cost
as
a percent
of
revenue on an
absolute
basis
to continue
to
scale
into 2022
or
if
we
sort of maxed
at
that level
here.
And
then
secondly,
on
the
US,
obviously,
fantastic win
margin
of
[ph]
25% (01:11:00)
in
the
fourth
quarter.
I should
say
in
a
slightly
different
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(01:11:05) Same
Game Parlay.
Obviously,
you
mentioned
76%
of
total
customers were using the Same Game Parlay
during
the
season.
But
I
just wondered
if
you
could
give
any
color
on
how that proportion of
[indiscernible]
(01:11:21) could
increase
to
reach
2022
[indiscernible]
(01:11:25) on
the
improvement
in the
win
margin
this
year
in
the
US.
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
Monique,
thanks
for
the
question.
A
couple
of
comments
on
Australia.
The
first
is
that
we
actually
saw
the
net
win
margin
above
where
we
would
have
expected
it
by
about
70
basis
points
and
roughly
the
same
year-on-year.
So,
therefore,
what
you're
sort
of
seeing
is
a
slightly
artificially
low,
marginally
lower
level
of
marketing
spend
than
we
probably
would
have thought.
I
think
the
second
and
more
important
thing
in
Australia
is,
as
we
put
more
and
more
of
the
value
that
we
give
to
customers
directly
to
them
through
bespoke
promotional
benefits
to
individuals
through
pricing
and
promotions
or
whatever
that
is
directly
on
a
customer-by-customer
basis,
that's
going
through
our
kind
of
promotion
line.
And
the
more
of
that
we
can
make
the
direct
to
the
individuals,
the
less
we
put
through
the
sales
and
marketing
line.
So,
actually,
what
you'll
see
is
as
we
get
more
and
more
adept
at
making
sure
we
can
be
rifle
shot
rather
than
scatter
gun,
we
will
put
more
value
to
the
individual
customer
and
you
will
see
sales
and
marketing
coming
down.
Where
that
ends
up,
we
need
to
see.
I
think
we're
at
a
very
efficient
point
at
this
stage
and
I
don't
necessarily
see
that
scaling
further.
And
we'll
have
to
just
make
sure
we've
got
the
right
balance
between
the
above
the
line
and
below
the
line
sort
of
offers,
because they
obviously
go
through
different
lines
which
makes
it
slightly
confusing,
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
enough
brand
visibility,
brand
presence,
being
seen
to
have
a
high
value
proposition
in
the
market,
as
well
as
individual
customers
getting
that
through
personalized
bespoke
generosity.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Yeah. And
look,
as
it
relates
to sort
of
win
margins
in
the
US,
I
think
one
thing
I'd
just
remind
you
of
is
the
sort
of
the
impact
of
some
of
our
promotional
activity
on
win
margins
across
the
course
of
the
year.
So,
things
like
our
very
successful
Super
Bowl
campaign
where
we
make
offers
like
56
to
1
available
to
customers
can
artificially
depress
win
margins
in
the
period,
but
ultimately
those
things
bounce
back.
And
I
think
the
performance
of
the
Same
Game
Parlay
product
for
football
is
important,
but
it's
also
really
important for
things
like
the
NBA
as
well.
So
we're
comfortable
with the
levels
of
margin
we
see
in
the
US.
And I
think
we
have
some also
structural
advantages.
I think we'll turn that to Jonathan.
J
Jonathan Stanley Hill
And look, the
more
the
market
moves
into
the
fast
followers
and
then
into
a
more
recreational
base,
we
see
that
naturally,
as
we've
seen
in
other
markets,
driving
the
sort
of
the
multi-stroke
parlay
mix
higher
over
time.
So
we're
hoping
that
over
time
we
could
see
that
penetration
of
parlays
grow
further
as
the
mix
of
the
customer
base
changes.
And
therefore,
we're
hoping
that
we'll
end
up
with
increasing
structural
margins
over
time.
J
Jeremy Peter Jackson
Okay.
I
don't think
there
are
any
more
questions
on
the
phone.
So,
thank
you
very
much,
everybody,
for
coming.
It's
nice
to
see
you
all
in
3D.
Thank
you
for
your
ongoing
support.
Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our 2021 Preliminary Results Presentation. It's great to be with you in person after nearly two years of Zoom meetings. As you can see, Jonathan's with me this morning and he'll take you through our financial performance shortly.
Slide 3 shows the agenda for this morning's presentation. I'm going to start with a brief overview of key developments in 2021. Then I'll take you through our refreshed group strategy and our new positive impact plan, which is designed to make our business more sustainable. Jonathan will then take you through the financials before I provide an operational update. Thereafter, we'll be happy to take any questions you may have.
Starting on slide 4, look, I've been pleased with the progress we've made in 2021 from both an operational and a strategic perspective. We continue to expand our recreational customer base globally in a sustainable way. It positions us well for the long-term. In the US, FanDuel continues to lead. And we achieved an important milestone on the path to profitability with FanDuel's sportsbook and gaming business turning contribution positive during the year.
In the UK and Ireland, we maintained our market share while making significant strides to make our business more sustainable. Jonathan and I will share more details on the progress we're making in this area and take you through the material items that drove our Q4 performance in particular.
In Australia, Sportsbet continued to win share of the online market, reaching an estimated 50% in 2021. And in International, we've stabilized the PokerStars business. Jonathan will provide an overview of the key moving parts within the division over the last two years and I will then share how this equips us well for delivering long-term growth.
In 2018, we laid out a four-pillar strategy for the group, and on slide 5, we have summarized the progress we've achieved. We are the number one operator in the UK, Ireland, Australia, and the US, while also now having a series of podium positions across international markets. We are a diversified global player from both a geographic and product perspective, and I'm sure I don't need to remind you all how important diversification has been over the last two years.
Perhaps most encouragingly, our growth has been recreational player-led. Our customer base now stands at over 7.6 million monthly players, having grown a further 23% in 2021. And we have a business where over 90% of revenues come from regulated markets today, a number that we expect to rise to 95% in the not-too-distant future, with further markets regulating and as our US business expands. The addition of Sisal will also add additional regulated revenue. Globally, we continue to see significant opportunities to grow our presence, both organically and through acquisition, and our refreshed strategy is designed to take advantage of those opportunities.
On slide 6, we summarize our refreshed four-pillar strategy. Pillar one focuses on our core markets where we aim to extend our leadership positions by delivering great products to our recreational player base, while leveraging our economies of scale to drive efficiencies. In the US, we will continue to invest to win as the market expands. Our goal is simple: to maintain our lead in US sports betting while improving our share of the online gaming market.
Pillar three is focused on international market opportunities, where we will combine local and global scale to expand our share in attractive regulated markets. We will find more Adjarabets, Junglees, and Sisals, strong local brands with competitive moats around their businesses.
And finally, we'll nurture an innovative and experimental mindset across the group to take early positions in future spaces. We're already developing some of these ideas with VR or virtual reality poker, generating $10 million in gross revenue during 2021. This group strategy will be enabled by scale, speed, product, data, and our Positive Impact Plan, which I'll cover in more detail on the next slide.
Yesterday, we launched our Positive Impact Plan, a sustainability strategy that puts three key sets of stakeholders at the heart of everything we do; our customers, colleagues, and communities. The slide sets out the global principles of the plan to make a positive change across these three stakeholder groups. Importantly, we have now set clear targets in each of these areas so we can hold ourselves to account. I'll talk more about our customer target on the next slide.
We want to empower colleagues to work better and to ensure that our teams are representative of where we work and live through a comprehensive diversity, equity, and inclusion strategy. We want to work with communities to do more and aim to improve the lives of 10 million people by 2030. We'll do so by using expertise and experience within our business to support our communities with a focus on sport, health, and well-being, and tech for good. You'll find a lot more information on our Positive Impact Plan when our Annual Report is published in the coming weeks.
Our Play Well safer gambling strategy builds on years of progress already made in protecting our customers, such as through the [ph] CAT (00:05:40) model developed originally in PPB. For a group with over 7.6 million monthly customers, we know there is no one-size-fits-all approach, though we believe there are universal principles that we can and should apply to all we can to protect vulnerable customers.
We listen to our customers, industry experts and critics by investing in research, innovation and collaboration. We want to empower players to play positively by providing them with platforms and products that have protective tools in place. And this would include having better conversations with our players to encourage them to pause and reflect on their play and make positive choices. And we will continue to support players who need intervention by providing robust internal infrastructures, external partnerships and fund new initiatives.
To ensure these principles are embedded within our organization, divisional safer gambling goals will be linked to our team's remuneration as part of their annual bonus metrics. This will ensure each division is focused on initiatives that will support and promote local safer gambling strategies in individual markets and contexts. We've also established our first global goal to have 75% of our players using one or more of our Play Well tools by 2030. We believe that the use of such tools empowers customers to appraise their own activity while promoting positive play.
I feel really proud of this new strategy and look forward to seeing the benefits it will bring to our customers, our people and our communities.
And with that, I'll hand you over to Jonathan to take you through our financial results.
Thanks, Peter, and good morning, everybody. Again, it's great to actually see people in 3D. So, welcome all. Plenty to cover, so let's get started.
Okay. So, so starting on slide 10, on a pro forma constant currency basis, we delivered revenue growth of 17% in 2021. This is obviously driven by the increase in the ongoing recreational player base with AMPs up, as Peter said, 23% year-on-year. Our sports revenue increased by 27%, thanks to the continued growth in the US, a strong performance in Australia and a return to a more normal sports calendar in 2021. As we'll cover later, this growth was despite challenging sports margin comparatives from 2020.
Gaming revenue increased by 4% as the US growth helped offset the uplift seen in our International business from the COVID-related boost in poker during 2020. These factors, combined with the larger US loss and the initiatives that we are taking to make the business more sustainable, resulted in a group EBITDA of £1 billion, 18% lower than 2020, and excluding those US investment losses, down by 10%. The group continues to turn profit into cash at a very high rate and we ended the year with net debt of £2.6 billion and a leverage of 2.6 times, or 2.1 times excluding those US investment losses.
Turning to slide 11 on the statutory income statement, clearly, the high year-on-year growth reflected the benefit of a full 12 months contribution from The Stars Group in 2021's numbers versus eight months in 2020. And the statutory loss after tax of £412 million included over £900 million of separately disclosed items, which were primarily noncash items. This included the amortization of acquired intangibles of £543 million, mainly from the TSG merger. It also includes £163 million for the final settlement of the historic PokerStars case with the state of Kentucky.
Slide 12, we show our AMPs by division since H1 2019. Player volumes are a key indicator of the underlying health of our business, as they signal how effectively we are delivering against our customer acquisition and retention strategies. In 2021, we grew the total AMPs by 23% to £7.6 million. I'm not going to go through every number in detail, but a few things really stand out as I consider what we're delivering in terms of player growth. When compared to 2019, we have emerged with a much larger player base than we had pre-COVID, mostly driven by growth in recreational players, and that's very encouraging.
In the UK&I, player numbers were 25% higher year-on-year in 2021 at 3.2 million. Player retention in Australia remained strong with two-year compound AMP growth of 28%. And in International, AMPs have grown by 10% since 2019 with that growth coming from more sustainable markets. And in the US, we had nearly 2 million AMPs in Q4, making it now our second largest division in terms of player numbers.
On slide 13, you can see how player growth translated into revenue growth. Last year, we delivered revenue growth of 17%, with the majority of that driven by the US. I'll talk about the UK and Ireland in more detail on the next slide, but I do want to touch in the forms of the other divisions.
We grew revenues in Australia by 20% last year, undoubtedly helped by COVID-related restrictions. And that growth of 20% was driven by AMP growth of 27%. We have enjoyed favorable sports results in both 2020 and 2021 in Australia, but there was no material difference in margin year-on-year. In International, as we previously guided, revenue declined due to the uplift in poker activity in the prior year, along with the effect of regulatory changes and compliance initiatives.
In the US, our revenue more than doubled, up 113%. The biggest drivers of this were a full-year contribution from four sportsbook states launched in 2020 and a partial year benefit from our four new states launched in 2021. We also benefited from structural growth in our sportsbook margin, which Peter is going to cover later. We launched in three new gaming states, bringing our total footprint to five, and our US gaming business is already half the size of our entire UK&I gaming business. TVG and DFS continue to contribute with combined revenue growth of 11% in 2021.
Okay, on slide 14, I want to take you through the year-on-year performance of our online business in UK&I. To keep this analysis straightforward, we have not tried to normalize the impact of COVID, though clearly 2020 was an unusual year with online benefiting from retail closures. Additionally, we have not tried to separate out the estimated recycling impacts, albeit we have seen less recycling in 2021 than historically has been the case, and Peter will talk a little bit more about that later.
Starting from the left, firstly, we had some good underlying gaming and exchange revenue growth, with gaming AMPs up 22% despite lapping some challenging COVID comparatives. This is before we account for the impact of safer gambling measures. Staking grew by 25%, driving £266 million in revenue growth, benefiting from the return of a more normal sports calendar. We continued to benefit from improvements in structural margin, which added in the further £46 million. The year-on-year swing in sports results impacted our revenues by £232 million, a large proportion of which impacted in Q4.
We rolled out various new safer gambling measures during the year, which we estimate cost us approximately £93 million during 2021. And Peter will share progress that we've made in this area later. Reported revenue growth of 3% translated into EBITDA of £626 million, flat year-on-year, with some higher cost of sales in the areas of streaming costs and taxes.
Moving on to slide 15, given the significant one-off COVID impacts from PokerStars in 2020, we thought it might be helpful to provide a two-year EBITDA bridge for the International division. Firstly, we have to adjust for foreign exchange movements, which can be material in our International division. Being the translation of the P&L from US dollars to sterling, firstly; and secondly, exposure to local currencies which players exchange to play in US dollars. Over two years, the EBITDA impact has been £61 million.
Next, we have the impact of initiatives that we have taken to improve the sustainability of the division. First, you will recall that we made the decision at the end of 2019 to switch off a number of Betfair Exchange partners whose compliance standards were not aligned to ours. The net cost of these switch-offs was £8 million. Secondly, we guided to a £65 million investment to bring the compliance processes and standards of TSG up to Flutter's standards post-merger. And thirdly, we have improved the quality of the geographic, regulated and product mix within the division. And as a result, our cost of sales as a percentage of revenues increased by around 8 percentage points.
We've had the negative regulatory developments in both Germany and Netherlands, which have cost the business £85 million since 2019, with a further £55 million incremental costs to come in 2022. Rebasing 2019 EBITDA for these items resulted in EBITDA of £304 million.
You can then see the underlying investment made in the business and the growth this has driven to-date. Of the £333 million of investment, £52 million was in capabilities. Some of this was in building required resource, for example, in our regulatory and compliance teams; and some was invested in commercial skills and capabilities to enable us to effectively spend the marketing investment and invest in product improvements. Peter will touch on where we have focused this investment.
We have – sorry, just go back. Thanks. We have delivered growth of £121 million, of which we estimate 2021 benefited by around £38 million from COVID impacts. By rebuilding the foundations of the PokerStars business and investing in our casino and marketing capabilities, we have stabilized our poker share, driven significant growth in direct casino, and delivered good underlying growth in our key markets, which Peter will talk about shortly.
Slide 16 provides an EBITDA and an EBITDA margin summary for 2019, 2020, and 2021. Standing back from these results, we have materially rebalanced the group over this period. In UK&I Online, the recreational growth has delivered strong customer and profit growth over two years, at a time when retail has been challenged.
Australia has delivered phenomenal profit growth from increasing AMPs, synergies, and operating leverage. As covered in the previous slide, we have materially reshaped and de-risked the International division. And in Corporate, we have delivered synergies from the merger.
In the US, while losses have grown over the last two years, we have invested to build the embedded value of the business and now have a clear path to profitability in 2023. As a reminder, our revenues from 2019 to 2021 grew from £400 million to £1.4 billion. Overall, we feel the group is really well-positioned financially going forwards.
On slide 17, you will see we generated adjusted free cash flow of £625 million. This was lower than the prior year due to our EBITDA reduction, higher CapEx spend and a reduced working capital benefit compared to 2020. Cash generation was still very strong. Comparing operating profit to pre-tax adjusted free cash flow, we converted profits into cash at 102%. I'm sure you'll be glad to hear that I won't go through every line item on this slide and we'll just talk about some of the more material ones.
We paid higher corporate tax given the changing geographic mix of our earnings. Interest paid was £37 million lower year-on-year, thanks to lower borrowing costs. We paid £234 million to fully settle the historic case with Kentucky, including associated legal fees. And our Employee Benefit Trust acquired £181 million worth of shares relating to FanDuel incentive schemes put in place at the time of the original acquisition.
M&A activity during the period resulted in a net inflow of £73 million from the sale of Oddschecker, partially offset by the acquisitions of Junglee Games and Singular. And as a result, we finished the year with net debt of £2.6 billion and a leverage of 2.6 times, and this is before the acquisitions of Tombola, which completed in January, and Sisal, which is expected to complete in Q2 of this year.
So, as I said, the leverage at the end of 2021 was 2.6 times, or 2.1 times excluding the US losses. To consider the impact of Tombola and Sisal in the group's debt and leverage level, we have modeled the year-end 2021 position as though we owned both assets at that point. On this basis, our leverage ratio would have been 3.7 times, or 3.1 times excluding US losses.
Given the highly cash generative nature of our business and our expectation that we'll be EBITDA positive in the US in 2023, we are comfortable running with a temporary elevated leverage ratio. As you will see on the slide, since these announcements, all of our credit ratings have a stable outlook. And we remain committed to our medium-term target of 1 to 2 times leverage. And the board will review the group's dividend policy once leverage is within the targeted range.
Slide 19 provides a trading update and additionally some memo items for those wishing to update trading models. Current trading for the seven weeks to – the first seven weeks in 2022 have been in line with our expectations and 2% higher year-on-year. The prior year included some very positive sports results in the UK&I.
Given the evolving situation in Russia and Ukraine, we wanted to provide a summary of our exposure to both markets. Since completion of our merger with TSG, we have materially reduced our exposure to the Russian online market. And in 2021, Russia accounted for £41 million in contribution. In addition, Ukraine represented contribution of £19 million. We are monitoring the situation closely with our working assumption being that revenues from both jurisdictions will fall to zero in the not too distant future.
As we consider the shape of 2022 revenues compared to 2021, we benefited from favorable sports results in the first half of last year, with gross win margins 120 basis points above expected levels, whereas they were in line overall in H2. We, therefore, expect that the phasing of our growth this year will see us grow more in the second half, assuming a normal run of sports results.
And with that, I'll hand back to Peter.
Thanks, Jonathan. I'll now provide an update on key developments across the group, starting with the US on slide 21. Back in August, when we provided a deep dive in our US business, I described how the flywheel effect is fueling FanDuel's growth. And over the last 12 months, Amy and the team have done a great job in continuing to scale our US business.
The chart on the right demonstrates how quickly the business is growing. Our monthly sportsbook customers grew by 180% in 2021, with our gaming customer base more than doubling also. Our best-in-class sports betting product is continuing to deliver improvements to our structural win margins. We're continuing to invest heavily in product, brand and generosity, but believe the efficiency of our spend stands out in the US sector today.
Critically, our revenue growth is continuing to exceed our operating cost growth, bringing ongoing improvements on our path to profitability. We believe strongly that the long term-winners in this sector are determined by the quality of their product.
On slide 22, the migration of FanDuel into the group's betting platform was completed in July and provided significant improvements in speed and reliability across the NFL season. Our proprietary Same Game Parlay product, which is seamlessly integrated into the user experience, continues to be a key differentiator for us and we'll continue to expand our product offering in this area. Over 76% of our NFL customers placed a Same Game Parlay bet during the NFL season. And as we have highlighted before, this brings big benefits to us in the form of structurally higher win margins.
In Q4 of this year, we generated 50% more gross revenue from our handle than the average of the rest of the market. We also continue to leverage our scale to invest in the FanDuel brand. In the second half, we signed multiyear extensions with key partners such as the NFL, the NBA, Pat McAfee, The Ringer, and the PGA.
Given the attractive customer economics we're seeing, our US business spent over $1 billion on customer promotions and marketing in 2021. This allowed us to have the highest TV media share of voice in the market throughout the second half, 25% higher than our nearest competitor. The levels of required investment to be a winner in this market are high, which we ultimately feel may act as a helpful barrier to entry in the industry.
On slide 23, you'll see the results these advantages are delivering. We're continuing to lead with a 40% share of the online sports betting market in Q4. I'll share the overall online sports and gaming market was 31% in Q4 when combined with our 20% gaming share. Our market share remains remarkably resilient as we've added gold medals in new 2021 states such as Arizona, Michigan and Virginia to our ongoing leads in earlier states such as New Jersey and Pennsylvania. When states launch, our early share can be depressed by both our own investments in promotional activity and the early giveaways from competitors. But once markets settle down, we're encouraged to see that customers are migrating to where the product is best.
In Q1 of 2022, we've invested significantly doing launches in New York, Louisiana, and in another generous Super Bowl offer. We expect these investments to deliver strong market shares as the year progresses. Our New York launch has been particularly successful, with over 400,000 new sportsbook customers acquired to-date. In addition, we're already seeing signs that competitors are pulling back from their initial customer offers.
There's an important point to note in terms of long-term profitability in New York and tax take for the state. We hope policymakers in New York recognize that while the state benefited from an initial period of heavy investment amongst operators, such investment is not sustainable beyond a few weeks. Absent different treatments of bonusing and/or lower tax rate, the period of aggressive initial spending is almost over.
On the right-hand chart, you'll see that we're delivering our leading share while operating more efficiently than our largest online competitors. We generated 47% more revenue than our nearest competitor in 2021 and we achieved this whilst accruing $400 million less in losses on a comparable reporting basis. One key factor in this efficiency is that on a like-for-like basis, we estimate that in 2021 we spent $0.25 less on sales and marketing for each dollar of revenue generated than our nearest competitor.
On slide 24, I want to update you on our latest thinking around state-by-state profitability. At our 2019 US Investor Day, we estimated that our New Jersey sportsbook would be structurally contribution positive within 18 to 30 months of launch. I'm pleased to report that we're now seeing an acceleration in that time line to just 12 to 24 months.
What's driving this? Firstly, we are acquiring customers far faster when a state launches than used to be the case. Arizona is a good example of this, has a population that is three-quarter the size of New Jersey. It took us about five months to acquire our first 100,000 sportsbook customers in New Jersey. In Arizona, it took us less than a month. These faster sign-up rates better reflect the awareness of the sports betting generally, but also the changes we've made to our own state-launched playbook where our integrated account and wallet means we are converting DFS customers to sports betting faster than before.
Once acquired, the quality of our products are driving better retention rates and generating the structurally higher sports margins I spoke about. The chart shows what this means for investment and returns. Because we are acquiring more customers initially, the initial investment losses are deeper in the first months post-launch. But we end up with a much bigger base of customers in a shorter timeframe, leading to a higher level of contribution in the subsequent months.
On slide 25, we show what this means for our path to profitability. In 2021, our combined sportsbook and gaming businesses generated a positive contribution of $14 million. As you can see, the early cohorts of customers generated a positive contribution that we then used to invest in the next wave of new customers. Just 38% of our 2021 total customer base were with us before January last year, yet they generated enough contribution to offset the material net investment made to acquire the remaining 62% of our customer base.
Going forward, as our existing customer base expands, their contribution will far outstrip our ongoing customer acquisition investment. We can see this being played out at an individual state level where large early states like New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Illinois and Indiana were already contribution positive in 2021.
FanDuel's cost base, excluding marketing, was £458 million in 2021, which is a significant level investment for those choosing to compete with us. Even with ongoing investment and the potential for ongoing losses in FOX Bet, we expect that by 2023 we'll be EBITDA positive in the US. This does assume, though, that the timing of new state regulation matches our expectations and that a big state like California doesn't go live next year. And should California go live, reaching EBITDA positive would likely be delayed, but that would be a nice problem to have.
Now, let me talk about our UK and Irish businesses. In our UK&I division, 2021 was something of a tale of two halves. Jonathan has already talked you through how our performance compared with 2020, but I'd like to spend a couple of minutes sharing some insights around the fourth quarter and the moving parts that influenced the outcome.
First, we saw a very material swing in sports results year-on-year. The swing from good luck to bad in the fourth quarters of 2020 and 2021 resulted in a revenue swing of almost £150 million. There's nothing structurally going on with margin. It is simply down to results and the fact that we generally over-index in Betbuilder products. Secondly, you can see how the cost of the safer gambling changes we have made impacted revenues across the year, with costs totaling £93 million by the end of Q4. Setting these two factors aside, though, it's fair to say that underlying demand in Q4 was below our expectations.
The normal relationship between staking and margin was weaker in Q4 when compared with historic norms, and we think there are a couple of reasons for this. Firstly, we think that the COVID unwind has led to reduced levels of customer engagement with gambling products generally, and the Gambling Commission data published last week would back that up. It showed that online sports betting GGR was down 43% in the UK in Q4. Secondly, we feel that some of our products lacked a sharpness towards the end of last year, and we're making changes to address that.
In contrast, our gaming business outperformed the market. Flutter brands maintained good customer volumes, driven by leading daily price mechanics such as the Sky Vegas Prize Machine and Paddy's Wonder Wheel. It's [ph] nice although (00:31:37) that the market generally experienced the fewest number of Q4 online casino downloads for three years. And rest assured, we are responding to what we're seeing in the market and we're very focused on improving our product proposition, and we're also examining the cost base of the business. While we don't know what specific recommendations will be made in the white paper, we know that customer economics in the UK are going to continue to evolve. And so we're doing work now to make sure our structures and cost base optimize the future shape of the sector.
On slide 27, now let's talk about the progress we've made in improving the sustainability of our business in the UK and Ireland. As you can see in the chart on the left, since H2 2019, our AMP growth has exceeded our revenue growth, with reductions in revenue from higher value tiers being largely offset by growth in lower spending cohorts.
While this effectively means that we've reduced the proportion of revenue coming from our top value tier by over 55% since 2019, we have grown our overall AMP base by 27% at the same time. ARPUs across all our customer cohorts have reduced, and we believe we have increased our share within the recreational space in that time.
Businesses such as ours will always have a concentration of revenues coming from higher income customers. Having examined this, we see that our revenue concentration coming from higher value tier customers aligns closely with overall wealth distribution in the UK. Now, just 6.7% of our revenue comes from the highest value tier, and this is considerably lower for both our recreational brands and Tombola. The safer gambling framework we already put in place and our new Play Well strategy gives us confidence in the protections we have for our higher spending customers.
On slide 28, we set out how we protect our customers throughout all stages of their journey from registration to continued play. I'm not going to go through all of the detail here, but I want to share it as I think it's really important that people understand just how much we're doing in this area at the moment. From robust checks and monitoring for our newest customers to always-on protections, we want to ensure that all our customers are equally empowered and protected where needed.
I recognize that the changes we are making are having a financial impact on our business, but I passionately believe that what we're doing is right for our customers and right for our business in the long run. I would encourage our peers to be proactive in this area too. And ultimately, this means that the UK sector experiences a year or two of low growth, then it'll be a price worth paying in the interest of all stakeholders.
Turning to Australia on slide 29. Back in September, Barni and the team brought you through why we're winning the market by delivering on product, marketing and value. We now have a 50% share of the Australian online market, 7 percentage points higher than in 2019. But we aren't resting on our laurels. In the second half, the team combined the best of our product in Same Game Multis with our leading value proposition by offering personalized bet return tokens to Same Game Multi bettors.
By combining our top line growth with the operational efficiency scale can deliver and the synergy benefit from the TSG merger, our EBITDA margin has expanded by 10 percentage points in just two years. This is an EBITDA growth compound rate of 64% over that time. Sportsbet provides the perfect template of what we're trying to achieve in other international markets and showcases their financial benefits and market leadership.
Now moving on to International. We're really pleased to see those key areas of investment that Jonathan talked you through are starting to pay off. On the left, you can see how we successfully stabilized our market share in poker with a steady decline from the beginning of 2019 flattening as we began to invest in the poker proposition and in particular since Q4, since we launched our new reward scheme which has really resonated with customers. Stabilizing this player base is crucial to our casino and sports cross-sell business.
We've also improved the sustainability of our business, with 78% of revenues now coming from regulated or regulating markets, a number that will continue to rise. We are very pleased with the growth we're seeing in our casino business through both cross-sell and direct casino. We saw an all-time record from casino-first customers during Q4.
Having improved the sustainability of the business, we're now very focused on the opportunities ahead for this division. On slide 31, we've selected a number of markets where we see excellent potential for further growth. These markets are at varying degrees of regulation, with Italy and Georgia regulated, and Canada and Brazil regulating. The projected TAM of these markets is approximately £26 billion by 2026, with a projected online compound annual growth rate of 10% over the next five years.
The real growth for Flutter in these markets there will hopefully come from growing our market share. Today we have an 8% online market share in these markets, which, given our extensive capabilities, feels low to me. We have a big opportunity to grow this share. And our International team are focused on replicating the success we have in other markets where we achieved local scale.
Finally, slide 32 just provides an updated view on what the shape of the division will look like once we complete the Sisal acquisition. In addition, the Sisal will help us to further diversify the business and provide us with access to the attractive Italian market where our share will then exceed over 20% and also bring an omni-channel advantage that we hope will unlock further benefits across our other brands. And we look forward to welcoming Francesco and his team to the division.
In conclusion, I'm happy with the progress we've made across the group in 2021. We're very focused on the future. With a refreshed strategy [ph] that's put sustainability is heart, (00:37:36) I believe we are very well positioned to continue to grow our presence globally. We must be relentless in making sure that our product remains industry-leading and that we drive efficiencies within the group as we do so.
And with it now, we'll now open it up to any questions you may have. We'll take questions from the room first and then, if we have time, we'll go to the phone lines. For those of you who are on the phone, please press star one if you'd like to ask a question. As I said, we'll take them from the room first. And can I ask, as usual, that you limit yourselves to two questions and not too many subparts in the first instance, so we can give everybody a chance. [ph] Michael? (00:38:20)
Great. Good morning, Peter. Good morning, Jonathan. Thanks for taking the questions. Two, if I can. The first on the US and quite a few references to superior cost economics through the presentation. And if I picked up the statistic correctly, I think you said your spend was about 25% lower than key competitors. I just wonder what that efficiency is when you look at it kind of on a customer acquisition and/or customer retention basis. So, just interested in some further color in terms of where you think you're outperforming.
And then secondly, on the UK market, if I can, and again an interesting detail in terms of the concentration of your revenue base in terms of higher value customers. When you think about that 7% from that higher value cohort, how do you think about that number going forward, particularly given the changes we could get or we will get, should I say, from the Gambling Act in the coming months? Thanks.
Thank you, [ph] Michael (00:39:13). Look, taking the question around the US, I think there are two very important factors that are going on around efficiency. And I always go back to looking at the sort of CAC to LTV dynamics that we're seeing in the market, which is, for us, the most important dynamic. And I think from a sort of acquisition cost perspective, we undoubtedly have always had a benefit in the market in terms of our ability to cross-sell customers from DFS into sports. And that's something that we've made sure we really benefit from.
But the team have also been very disciplined when it comes to our marketing spend. It's very easy to get sucked into signing deals and partnerships and you can spend a lot of money very needlessly. And there are some quotes and opportunities that we've passed on, which proved to be the right decision. So I think the team have done a great job for us in being very diligent around our marketing investment. And whilst we have – we do spend more money than other people, we think we also spend it very wisely when we do. And when we look and track our acquisition costs, we can see that and it gives us real confidence in the team's performance.
I think at the back side of that sort of equation, looking at the LTVs, we obviously have a structural margin advantage because of the Same Game Parlay, right? And we've seen very substantial use of that product amongst our customers, which gives us a margin advantage. But, ultimately, the fact that our retention levels are so high also helps with the lifetime values. And the reason that we're getting such good use of the Parlay product, the reason we get such good retention is because we have the best product in the market.
And the great thing about the US is you can look at this – a lot of market data comes out in a state-by-state and, often, almost as a weekly basis. And New York, for me, is a great example. I mean, you can look at – people have got big market shares of handle because they're handing out free dollars. But you now look at where the market shares have gone when people are actually reverting back to using the best products. And FanDuel is kind of born in that market.
I think it's worth looking back at the last six months. I mean, we've had, undoubtedly, the most aggressive start to NFL that we've ever had. And we'll probably [ph] sell (00:41:29) again next year, by the way. Well, hopefully, we won't, but maybe we will. And we've seen some people coming in with very, very aggressive offers. And we have seen our economics through that period hold up and we maintained discipline at times when people were buying handle share. And it was – there were some crazy offers out there.
But, actually, what we've seen is we've seen announcements from competitors around their levels of spend ongoing and pullbacks. We have seen our returns looking fantastic and we're leaning in, not leaning out at this point because of the returns that we're seeing from investment at this point and have seen through the whole of the season because we've maintained our discipline, but now we're seeing some really attractive investment opportunities in terms of CAC to LTVs in that market and we feel very positive about where we are today.
Yeah. I think that's an important point. We're seeing competitors pull back. We're actually leaning in because we're seeing the CAC to LTV dynamics are improving for us.
In terms of the UK, when we look at the shape of the market, and I've talked about it a little bit and we compare that with wealth distribution or income tax distribution in the UK. We think our business is more favorably skewed, right? So we think we're in a very good starting point.
We've got a very – we've got the best recreational base of customers and brands in the market. And so we think that – look, there are going to be changes that occur. We have made some significant investments and we talked about it in terms of our Positive Impact Plan. Yes, I've shown you the revenue that we've taken out of the business over the course of last year. But we think it's the right thing to do to get ahead of these changes.
And we believe that the Gambling Act will introduce a sort of more level playing field. So it could be that competitors can claim the delivery market great but I'm not sure how sustainable that will be in the long run. We think we've got the right shape and distribution of business today. And we think we've got the right focus on the recreational base for whatever the changes are that the Gambling Act review introduces. And I'm relatively buoyed by the fact that they seem to be taking quite an evidence-led approach to it. And we think we've got some good data and insights to share with them with the things that we've been doing.
Thank you.
Hi. Morning. Richard Stuber from Numis. A couple of questions, actually. Just the first one, just following on for the last question about the highest value tier. Could you say how you define that? Is that how much the spend per month from those customers? Because clearly, if the cap goes, say, from £500 maximum deposit to £300, that can make a huge difference. And the definition of that 7% could be a lot higher. So, any sort of numbers around what you define that? And then the second question on the US. Obviously, incredibly good market share. But do you have any sense of how the black market is going on in the US? Whether you're taking – whether you're – a lot of these of black market operators, you're taking share from them as well?
So, look, in terms of the UK market, we have taken a lot of steps to address what we think is some of the challenges in the sector, whether it's looking at customers when they come and they join us, the monitoring that we have and then the sort of the backstop we have in terms of looking at people's expenditure. And we now started just to distinguish that with difference of age categories as well.
So, ultimately, we think that our business is very well set up for whatever changes that come. And we've heard lots of noise around how affordability checks can be introduced. We think that the approach that we're taking, whether there's granular set of different approaches in different segments is the right answer rather than some sort of simplified figure for the whole market. But we'll wait and see whether the review of the Gambling Act ends up in a similar position.
But I think if I go back to the point that I made before, you're right, you can sort of define the high-value tiers in all sorts of different ways. But ultimately, if we look at things like the income tax distribution and you'll be well aware that the top 1% of income taxpayers generate 30% of the income tax base, our business is nowhere near skewed like that, right? So, yeah, it gives us real reassurance that our business is very well set up for the market distribution dynamics that we see.
In terms of the US, I'm afraid we are – we've never been focused on sort of market share targets, right? We always talk about the fact we've been focused on our sort of CAC to LTV dynamics. As Jonathan mentioned earlier, we're actually seeing them really favorably at the moment. We're delighted with how the business is performing. We're pushing really hard to take advantage of the fact that we've got the best product in the market. We just had a fantastic Super Bowl. We're delighted with the market share that we've taken. We're winning in so many key states and the business has got terrific momentum in it.
And of course, we're seeing that we also have operating leverage come through into the business. So we're taking advantage and pushing as hard as we can. I have no doubt we're taking business from some of the black market operators, but they'll still be doing very well in states like California, Florida, and Texas, which have yet to regulate.
Jonathan, if there's anything to add?
Morning. Simon Davies from Deutsche Bank. Two from me, please. You talked about £93 million of safer gambling costs last year. Can you give us a feel for where those were incurred and, in particular, what the cost was of the introduction of max stakes and deposit limits? And secondly, can you give some guidance in terms of revenues coming from Eastern Europe? And are you seeing any impact given the recent invasion of Ukraine on some of the neighboring markets, in particular Georgia?
Look...
I'll take the first.
Yeah, Jonathan will take the first one.
Yeah. So, I mean, look, there's a whole range of things that add up to the £93 million and obviously we've been putting in lower thresholds as we gone through the year. We've undertaken daily deposit limits for all customers. Actually, the [ph] temp on (00:48:02) staking limit on slots has been a very, very small proportion of that, so well less than 10%. So, that's not been a big driver of it. It's been the general multitude of actions that we've undertaken across a whole range of areas. So I wouldn't put it on certainly to that [ph] temp on (00:48:21) slot limit or so.
In terms of the impact across sort of the broader region of Eastern Europe first in terms of the changes we're seeing, we haven't – we've obviously seen impacts in the countries which have been directly impacted. And of course, the most important thing from our perspective is from our colleagues who are based in and around the region. We have a large number of contractors, nearly 80 contractors or subcontractors based in Ukraine, and we're doing everything we can to support them and their families, including relocation for their families, if that's appropriate, to some of the country's neighboring where we may have locations. And we have two direct employees in Russia. As it relates to the performance of the business in Georgia and Armenia, we haven't seen any significant impact as a result of the conflict.
Morning, guys. David Brohan, Goodbody's. Just two questions from me. So, firstly, as part of the sustainability plans that you announced yesterday, you talked about the 50% and 75% targets in 2026 and 2030. Can you give any color in terms of where that currently sits? And then just also on retail, so in terms of the Irish retail business versus the UK, there's quite a divergence in terms of the recovery versus 2019. So, how should we kind of be thinking about Irish retail going forward versus 2019 levels? Thanks.
Okay. Yeah. Look, in terms of the Play Well metrics, we're currently at around 35% against that metric. There are different – we're at different stages in different parts of the globe. And I think if I look at a market like the US, we're taking – we're trying to take a relative leadership position around that. So we'll be doing some safer gambling advertising in Q2. We've been the first operator to sign up to offer Gamban software to customers. There's a variety of things we're doing. We're building our own AI models for the US market, recognizing the differences in the US market compared with what we're seeing overseas.
And as an example, we'll be tracking to 400 metrics across our consumers in the UK to try and identify any examples of people who are exhibiting behaviors that we're uncomfortable with. So there's a lot we're going to be doing in the US in recognizing our leadership position we have in that market and a very substantial growth in the business. I think it's also important that we show leadership in that area, too.
Jonathan, I don't know whether you want to reference where we are on Irish retail.
Look, I think what we're seeing behaviorally in Ireland is just is different than what we've seen in the UK. I think the UK has gone sort of post-COVID at a much earlier stage, with people feeling much more confident about going into retail outlets, etcetera, etcetera. And obviously we've been more fully open for a longer period in the UK than we have had.
Look, we'll see how behaviors change over the next three to six months. We're still confident that Irish retail is a very key place in the market. We know we get benefits from having that iconic brand on the high street and that will continue. But we have no doubt that the Irish retail will bounce back in time. It's just a case of how long that's going to take.
Thanks, guys.
Hi.
Hi.
This is Kiranjot Grewal from Bank of America. Just two questions from me. Firstly, on stickiness, your product seems to be better and bigger in terms of range and that seems to be driving a lot of the demand. But is there a risk there could be catch-up from competitors? Or is there some kind of element within the product that would drive loyalty?
And then the second one is on US IPO. We spoke in detail about it, I think, six or seven months ago. And there were, I think, three reasons you outlined why you wanted to do it. Given where the share prices have headed or the market is headed in the last six months, is that still on the cards for, say, this year or could that be delayed? Thank you.
And I presume your reference to stickiness of product is in the US. I mean, because I could talk about any one of our products, right?
Sorry, yes.
They're great in all the markets we operate. Look, I mean there's a hundred things you have to do. Yeah, well, many more actually and the product team would kick me for saying any hundred. There's many things you have to do to get the product right for customers. The speed and ease of use is a really important aspect. If you think about the way in which the variety of markets that we have available to better surface the markets that people want to find quickly and enable them to get on – get their bets on in a way that works them really efficiently is important. Actually the Same Game Parlay product and the integration of that and the ability to evolve that, as we have done, and I mentioned what we've done in Australia in terms of building tokenization and generosity into it and there's other ways in which we will, those things are really important.
So we're not standing still. We've got the benefits of operating a global platform. So the platform that sits behind our team in America is the same one that sits behind our Paddy Power and Betfair businesses. And we can actually share and take ideas and concepts from one business to another. So, we have a very big development team to support our American business, but they also have the benefits to be able to steal ideas and products and services that they see from other divisions as well. So the way I think about it is they've got thousands of cheerleaders who are – they're helping build products in America, and we're certainly not standing still.
And I think if you look at the Super Bowl this year, there were no issues from a customer service perspective or stability perspective. A lot of – I mean, there have been challenges in the past, but the massive volumes we're putting through that platform, the business and the platform, all stood up really well. And I think that shouldn't be underestimated. So I think when we look at the retention levels in the business, it's very much driven by the quality of the products. And there's lots of aspects to that. And you can look at [indiscernible] (00:54:45) for example, undertake a review and assess the quality of our product and have us ranked number one. And our customers are voting with their feet. They may take other people's free money, but they come and continue to use FanDuel.
But at the end of the day, we have to be paranoid because everybody else is going to be trying to catch up. So we've got to stay ahead and keep investing, and that's why you can see our cost base growing. We're putting in more tech folk in both the sports betting side. We've also got a big opportunity on the gaming side that we haven't monetized properly yet, and that's why we put another 100 heads into that business. We've just moved one of our most experienced casino guys across the US, and he'll be going over there very shortly to help really try and get some growth – more growth into that side of the business and really make sure that our product does everything it needs to do on the gaming side as well as the sports side.
Yeah. And look, as it relates to the IPO of a small stake in FanDuel, the reasons that we talked about it in the past were the fact that you get this with the marketing benefits of having a listed vehicle in the US. And we know that DraftKings get a lot of publicity off the back of their listing with their customers buying So it's something that we would like to get the benefits of. We often talk about the levels of the partnerships that we have, whether that's with marketing channels or personalities or different media businesses. And to be able to pay for some of those in equity as well as cash is important, although I suspect that some of the people who took equity a while ago are wishing they had now taken cash.
Yeah. And then finally, there's also the ability to be able to remunerate your colleagues with local equity, which is important. So those factors are all important for us. It's not something that we need to do. And clearly, we're monitoring the markets at the moment and it's something which the board will keep under evaluation. James?
Morning. James Wheatcroft from Jefferies. Path to profitability has been a sort of key discussion topic, I think, with the market over the last few months. Historically, you've talked about having a 25% EBITDA margin in the mature US states. I was wondering whether you could give us a feel for how maybe New Jersey is developing along that path and how long before it might be we see other states in that sort of same category, please?
Jonathan?
It obviously – what we've outlined this morning is this 12 to 24 months of getting into that profitable state on a state-by-state basis. We obviously only have a short period of history for the states that came after New Jersey. In New Jersey, we are very comfortable with the level of contribution percentage that we're seeing from that state, and a gaming state and a sports betting state where we have a very strong market share and a good tax rate. And we're very happy with where we are in the state.
We haven't got enough track record to start talking about the state-by-state contribution percentages for those states that came in 2019. But I think, over time, we will look at how we try and bring to life in more for you guys where those 2019 states and hopefully the trajectory of those 2020 states and we can start building those J-curves for you. At the minute, we're a little bit early in those 2019 states to really start seeing where they're getting to in terms of that contribution percentage. But I can assure you, we feel very confident in the direction of travel on these dates and even more so after the last six months we've seen.
Thank you. Ed Young from Morgan Stanley. My first question was on the UK. The regulatory impacts you outlined started at £7 million in Q1 with £37 million by Q4. You're expecting incrementally more measures to be introduced because that would suggest a run rate of £150 million, £160 million or so, and obviously £37 million in Q4, £7 million Q1. It seems like a £50 million or £60 million headwind to revenue potentially, if it stays at the current level or maybe higher than that, if it goes through.
So, could you maybe talk about what we expect going into next year? The short question there is, should US – should UK online profitability grow and next year what should we expect? That's really where I'm driving at.
And the second question is on international. You gave the very helpful pitch there. I think the H2 run rate was just – that's run rating about £240 million. I think you called out, Jonathan, another £55 million for Germany and the Netherlands. You obviously mentioned the Ukraine and Russia as well. Is there any sense, do you think, that there's a case to be made to pull back on some of the investment you've made by choice there to stabilize profitability, or do you see that as essential to drive the revenue to get back to growth? Is there any kind of cost action you're considering in that division, given how much it's come down in EBITDA terms from 2019 and 2020 levels? Thanks.
On the UK&I, I think there's three moving parts to consider as we look at 2021 into 2022. There's, first, I think the recreational market will still remain a bit of the market that will be a better part of the market to be in, and I still think on that recreation element, there'll probably still be growth. But the overall market, as we said in Q3, we think will probably be flat. So, if we want to be in one part of the market, I think we're in the right place.
I think what we're effectively doing is bringing into our business what we expect to have to bring into the business anyway. So, in my view, we're just building sustainability now rather than building it a little bit later, and I think it's the right thing to do for the business.
As we see the customer economics evolve, so on the cost side, there's two things that will affect the business and the customer on the cost side. One is just the general customer economics. If we see lower values, therefore, what does that mean for promotional and marketing spend as go forwards and what can we actually afford to invest in that CAC to TV equation to ensure that we're driving the right value.
And the second thing will be on the cost base and the integration. The UK&I integration was always more – the Australia and the corporate stuff was very short-term because in Australia we were obviously bringing two businesses together and it was two people for one job and two car spaces into one. So it was very quick and it was done incredibly effectively by the team. The same in group, it was cost to contract, etcetera.
In UK&I, it was always going to be more complex. It's about major changes in the tech, which, as you know, in our sector don't happen overnight. It's complex. So it's a multiyear process. And there'll be some structural change that'll happen in that business over time. So you've got three sort of moving parts in terms of the market, the [ph] SGE (01:01:58) stuff coming in, plus the cost base. We feel that we should see profitability going forwards in that business from the mix of those three things year-on-year from 2021 into 2022 in terms of the UK&I online profitability.
And then regarding your question around International and the investment we put into the business, I mean, I think you need to look at it in different buckets. I mean, half of the money we put into investment was stuff that we absolutely had to do. And I would describe it as sort of rebuilding the foundations, keeping the lights on type of stuff for the business, which there's no choice around.
In terms of the growth-orientated levels of investment, around half of that went into the casino business. And we're seeing a really good performance in our directly acquired casino business now. The revenue is four times than it was pre-merger and now that we've built the capabilities, we're just being able to sort of replicate that into a number of its incremental markets. And we're really pleased with how that's doing, the returns it's generating.
We have put some money behind the PokerStars brand. It is important for us in markets like Brazil and Canada, which we just referenced as being two important components, when you look at how big that TAM could get. But there's also places we're investing, things like into the Betfair brand in LatAm, Junglee. So it is important to remember that when we talk about International, it isn't just PokerStars, and there's some really important businesses there that we're investing and getting good growth from.
I mean, one of the benefits of having the portfolio is we – just because the International profitability is pulled back, if we still see great paybacks in markets, we don't have to say, well, we can't do that because we've got to keep that bit of the business growing at a certain rate or taking profit today rather than growing the business. We've got to do the right thing across the portfolio. And to Peter's point, I mean, half of our year-on-year sales and marketing uplift in International is actually because we've got Junglee in for the full – for the 2021 year. And actually the paybacks we're seeing in that market, for instance, are fantastic.
So we're going to do the right thing for the medium term of the business and not do something just to try and shore up short-term profitability because that would be – that would not be driving shareholder value in this case.
Are there any more questions? Maybe should we go to the – were there any questions coming on the phone? Don't quite know how we managed the – I've forgotten how we do these hybrid events.
So the first question is coming from Joe Stauff from Susquehanna. Please go ahead. Your line is open now.
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Peter, I was wondering if you can give us maybe an updated view on the timing you'd expect for the arbitration process with FOX. And then, I wanted to ask about how do you think about the casino strategy in the US? So do you have – are you thinking of consolidating brands or going with one particular brand? If you can comment on that, please.
Okay. Look, Joe, you'll have noticed from our release this morning that we mentioned that there's been a delay to the timing of the arbitration FOX because we've been in dialogue with them. But we now have a date set for June, and that's what we'll be working towards. And look, we're very comfortable going into arbitration. We think we've got a very robust position. And ultimately that's the new timeframe. It was the right thing to do to have a dialogue with FOX, push back the original dates. Ultimately, we'll run to that arbitration timetable.
And look, I mean, you all know this, but we recognize absolutely the value of the FanDuel asset and therefore any deal that might be done with FOX, we'll have to recognize that. And if we can't get the deal is right for our shareholders, we're very comfortable going to arbitration.
Yeah, absolutely right. And then, look, in terms of what we do in the US from a casino perspective, we know that there's more for us to do. But fortunately, we know what we need to do because we're very good at growing direct casino businesses really all around the world. So, as Jonathan mentioned earlier, we're bringing over one of our top casino managers into the US to help support our business. And there's a heap of things that we've got planned to do for that business over the course of this year.
I don't necessarily tell our competitors all of our plans, but you can rest assured that we're very good at growing direct casino businesses and we intend to continue to do that in the US. But, of course, we have the best set of customers to cross-sell into, which is the sportsbook we have in the US market where we're the leaders. And, of course, it's also worth remembering that sportsbook is where the action is really at at the moment in America, it's where the next few states will come on stream, and that's our strong hand. So we'll continue to make sure we really exploit that. But there is more work to do in casino. We've actually held our market share, which I think is quite remarkable. When we look at the sort of the quality of our products, there's lots we know we're going to do to improve it and we will do so.
And the next question is coming from James Rowland Clark from Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open now.
Hi. Good morning, everyone. A couple of questions, please, on the US and on the UK. Just on the US, are you able to provide a revenue target and EBITDA loss guidance for 2022? Just wondering whether you can hit £1 billion worth of revenue this year. And then on the UK, I just had to clear, the review ends up producing legislation that's a little bit better than you've planned with your safer gambling measures. Are you in a position where you can switch the business back on to higher value customers or reacquire or retain these customers? Thank you.
Shall I take the first one?
Yes, please.
Okay. So we won't be providing revenue guidance at this point on the US. And it will definitely, I would expect, be higher than the £1.4 billion, $1.9 billion we did in 2021. But I'm not giving a number for that.
In terms of EBITDA and the loss, I think we are not giving specific guidance at this point, but as a starting point, considering our losses in 2021 at a comparable sort of level for 2022 is a very good starting point. We're not here to discuss a significant increase in EBITDA loss at all. Unlike some of our competitors, we would think a reasonable starting point is where we got to in 2021 with a clear route to where we're going in 2023, which I think we've flagged pretty clearly, hopefully.
Thank you, Jonathan. Look, in terms of the potentials of outcome in the UK environment, look, we think it's very important to build a business that's sustainable. I think what the regulators are certainly going to do is introduce a level-playing field. You could say that we have moved ahead of the regulators in trying to do the right thing for the business. And if that is the case, I think it'll be good when the regulators can introduce a level-playing field. People who are posting big growth numbers, you've got to ask how they're doing that and how sustainable it is. I think we're all desperate for some clarity and we'll get that with the introduction of the Gambling Act review, and we'll make sure that we shape our business appropriately once we know how the UK government wants to introduce that legislation.
And the next question is coming from Monique Pollard from Citi. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Hi. Good morning, everyone. A couple of questions from me, if I can; one on Australia, one on the US. So, just on Australia, obviously, you've seen huge scale benefits coming through with marketing cost – sales and marketing cost just 9% of revenues in 2021. I just wondered if there was potential for that marketing cost as a percent of revenue on an absolute basis to continue to scale into 2022 or if we sort of maxed at that level here.
And then secondly, on the US, obviously, fantastic win margin of [ph] 25% (01:11:00) in the fourth quarter. I should say in a slightly different [indiscernible] (01:11:05) Same Game Parlay. Obviously, you mentioned 76% of total customers were using the Same Game Parlay during the season. But I just wondered if you could give any color on how that proportion of [indiscernible] (01:11:21) could increase to reach 2022 [indiscernible] (01:11:25) on the improvement in the win margin this year in the US.
Monique, thanks for the question. A couple of comments on Australia. The first is that we actually saw the net win margin above where we would have expected it by about 70 basis points and roughly the same year-on-year. So, therefore, what you're sort of seeing is a slightly artificially low, marginally lower level of marketing spend than we probably would have thought.
I think the second and more important thing in Australia is, as we put more and more of the value that we give to customers directly to them through bespoke promotional benefits to individuals through pricing and promotions or whatever that is directly on a customer-by-customer basis, that's going through our kind of promotion line. And the more of that we can make the direct to the individuals, the less we put through the sales and marketing line.
So, actually, what you'll see is as we get more and more adept at making sure we can be rifle shot rather than scatter gun, we will put more value to the individual customer and you will see sales and marketing coming down. Where that ends up, we need to see. I think we're at a very efficient point at this stage and I don't necessarily see that scaling further. And we'll have to just make sure we've got the right balance between the above the line and below the line sort of offers, because they obviously go through different lines which makes it slightly confusing, to make sure that we've got enough brand visibility, brand presence, being seen to have a high value proposition in the market, as well as individual customers getting that through personalized bespoke generosity.
Yeah. And look, as it relates to sort of win margins in the US, I think one thing I'd just remind you of is the sort of the impact of some of our promotional activity on win margins across the course of the year. So, things like our very successful Super Bowl campaign where we make offers like 56 to 1 available to customers can artificially depress win margins in the period, but ultimately those things bounce back.
And I think the performance of the Same Game Parlay product for football is important, but it's also really important for things like the NBA as well. So we're comfortable with the levels of margin we see in the US. And I think we have some also structural advantages. I think we'll turn that to Jonathan.
And look, the more the market moves into the fast followers and then into a more recreational base, we see that naturally, as we've seen in other markets, driving the sort of the multi-stroke parlay mix higher over time. So we're hoping that over time we could see that penetration of parlays grow further as the mix of the customer base changes. And therefore, we're hoping that we'll end up with increasing structural margins over time.
Okay. I don't think there are any more questions on the phone. So, thank you very much, everybody, for coming. It's nice to see you all in 3D. Thank you for your ongoing support.
Thanks very much.