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Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2021-Q4

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Nicholas John Roberts

Well, good morning to you all, and a warm welcome to everybody in the room and on the webcast, for our first in-person results briefing in two years, which has been rather denuded unfortunately by the Tube strike. I would also say to you, Dydd Gŵyl Dewi Hapus, Happy St. David's Day from me to you all.

I'll open with some reflections and then hand over to Alan for our financial and operational update before I return with a strategic update and look ahead. Let me first capture the year, if I may. 2021 was a year of significant progress for the group. We successfully navigated a very challenging market in all our businesses and produced what we think is a superb financial performance. Our performance underpinned by operational and strategic progress across the group. We were true to our promise to focus on the trade and simplify the group. We demerged the Wickes business, we sold our Plumbing & Heating business, we strengthened our balance sheet, and we repatriated excess capital to shareholders, all the while growing our business; new branches, new propositions, new digital channels, and winning share by focusing on our strategy for the future to be the leading partner to the construction industry.

That means doing more for our customers by adding new and exciting capability to our business and it strengthens our investment story for new and existing shareholders. All of which is enabled through our energized and confident teams across the business, full of confidence, full of self-belief after a challenging yet exhilarating couple of years in the business. And they feel that they have the support and the capability to win and execute the strategy.

So, I'm incredibly proud of what we've achieved last year and how now we are well-positioned for the future, remaining true to who we are and our purpose. We're here to build better communities and enrich lives. And that's a theme I'll return to later.

But before that, over to Alan.

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Alan Richard Williams

Thanks, Nick. And good morning, everyone. So as Nick mentioned, the group delivered a really excellent performance in 2021 in addition to delivering the demerger of Wickes and the disposal of Plumbing & Heating. On that note, I should remind you that the 2020 income statement and cash flow have been restated to exclude the discontinued operations. And any comparisons that I'll draw to 2019 will also be on a continuing operations basis.

The group recovered strongly from the pandemic with annual revenue growth of 24%, helped by both strong execution and the market recovery. Perhaps more meaningfully, revenue was over 10% higher than in 2019 with broadly similar growth overall in each half on a two-year basis. Adjusted operating profit was also significantly ahead of 2020, and some 19% of ahead of 2019 on a comparable basis with consequent growth in operating margin. The strong operational performance alongside continued disciplined capital management led to a much improved return on capital employed at 12.1% excluding property profits.

Net debt to EBITDA leverage on an IFRS 16 basis reduced to 1.2 times. And on a pro forma basis, that is adjusting for the proceeds of the P&H disposal still to be returned to shareholders at the yearend. We're at the lower end of the range that we laid out in September last year, namely around 1.5 times.

While cash conversion was lower in 2021, this was entirely down to the growth in credit sales year-on-year, and cash conversion looked at over 2020 and 2021 combined with over 100%. Finally, the Board is proposing a final dividend of £0.26 per share to take the ordinary dividend distribution for the year to £0.38 per share or around 35% of adjusted EPS. This is, of course, in addition to the special dividend we've paid at £0.35 per share.

Looking at the revenue performance in more detail, slide 7 provides a bridge of the key drivers from 2019 to 2021. I would highlight three key features. Firstly, you can see the impact to the volume declines in 2020 from both the pandemic and the branch closure program in June of that year. In 2021, there is an annualization impact from the latter but a very significant positive contribution from underlying volume growth at £655 million. The second key feature is pricing and mix. This was a negligible feature in 2020, but it contributes £305 million of growth in 2021, an indication of the scale and the successful recovery of input cost inflation.

Finally, in both years, you can see the positive impact from the expansion of Toolstation. In aggregate versus 2019, revenue was 10.6% ahead. Underlying volume has grown by 7%, partly offset by the net space reduction of 3%, and pricing and mix have contributed a growth of 7 percentage points.

Turning to slide 8, I've broken out the year-on-year drivers of the strong operating performance at £353 million. Versus 2020 of course, the largest driver is the gross profit growth from incremental volume at £249 million. This gross profit delivery was further boosts – bolstered to the tune of £49 million by strong margin management. Both the successful recovery of input cost inflation and the year-on-year recovery in volume related supplier incentives.

I've then highlighted various cost increase elements, namely the non-recurrence of government assistance which was received in 2020, inflationary elements, including the return to payment of bonus programs after zero in the prior year and variable costs to service the incremental volume.

Next, you can see the contribution of £50 million from the annualization of the branch closure program. This disciplined approach to overheads led to a strong drop through of gross profit, resulting in an operating margin before property profits of 6.6%.

And finally, in terms of property profits, these totaled £49 million in the year, with cash receipts of £78 million. Our property team did an outstanding job in exiting sites closed in June 2020, along with the disposal of the former Tilbury distribution center.

I'm now turning to segmental views. If we start the reporting segments with Merchanting, the excellent performance was driven by the operational initiatives put in place over the last 24 months to strengthen the business underpinned by the recovery in end markets. Compared to 2019, like-for-like sales were some 12% ahead.

Now, as you're well aware, the speed of recover caused some availability issues and led to significant supply price increases. Our businesses are highly adept at managing these issues, and while availability issues have now largely eased, we do anticipate further cost price increases throughout 2022.

At the Capital Markets Update in September, Kieran covered the actions taken over the last couple of years to improve the competitive position of the General Merchant to enhance service, build capability, and these actions enabling the business to benefit from the volume recovery. Our specialist merchants also benefited from improved efficiency following the 2022 branch rationalization program with both BSS and Keyline achieving record profits. CCF recovered well despite having the biggest challenges from product availability with key products and allocation for much of 2021.

Given the strong operating leverage, operating margin in 2021 was 8.4%, some 70 basis points ahead of 2019. And as we discussed at the Q3 trading update, around 40 basis points of this recovery stemmed from inflation gains and stock and this is not expected to repeat in 2022. I do, however, expect that operating margin will remain around the 8% mark with mid-to-high-teens return on capital employed.

Toolstation's outperformance continues with growth of over 20%, taking a two-year growth figure to over 50%. Growth in the second half was lower as the business cycled the strongest comparators from 2020. We anticipate this will also be the case in the first four months or so of 2022 before the comparators ease. Importantly, the business continues to perform well with its core trade customers. During H2 2021 in the UK business, we saw those higher spending trade customers continuing to grow at over 20%.

In the UK, revenue grew by 19% and was 54% ahead of 2019 with operating profit growth of £42 million and an operating margin of 6.3% in line with our expectations at the stage of the businesses development and despite the heavy investments in the branch network over the last couple of years. Encouragingly, branches open during the last three years are maturing more quickly than those open in previous years. We anticipate opening a further 60 branches in 2022 in the UK to take the total to close to 600 branches.

In late 2022, Toolstation UK will open a new 500,000 square feet direct distribution center, initially servicing Toolstation only but with the potential to service direct light side sales for the General Merchants as well. We anticipate startup costs expensed through the operating profit line of around £5 million in each of H2 2022 and H1 2023.

Turning to Europe, revenue grew by 35% to £92 million as the network was expanded by 40 branches to 123 branches in total. In the Benelux, sales grew by 32% with the Dutch business narrowing losses and on track for breakeven by the end of 2023. In France, we opened a new distribution center to support future growth in the southeast and doubled the number of branches. At this early stage of 2022, I would anticipate a similar loss overall in Europe to 2021.

Free cash flow generation in 2021 was £65 million as working capital was rebuilt given the trading recovery. The increase in working capital of £152 million was driven entirely by the recovery in credit sales. The credit book continues to be really well-managed with record-low overdues as a percentage of credit sales. The increase in stock, including the impact of cost price inflation, was fully offset by the increase in the corresponding creditor position. And as we discussed at the Capital Markets Update in September, we remain very focused on the conversion of profits into cash. And as I said earlier, taken together, we delivered cash conversion of 111% across 2020 and 2021.

Looking at the breakdown of capital expenditure on slide 12, around 70% of the base expenditure of £95 million was on our strategic priorities, specifically Toolstation branch roll out, putting down new larger General Merchant branches, TF Solutions expansion, and tool hire. Maintenance CapEx was lower in 2021 as vehicles were redeployed from closed branches and the group experienced lengthening lead times for vehicles and manual handling equipment. I would expect maintenance CapEx in 2022 to form around 35% of total spend.

As measured – as mentioned, sorry, earlier in connection with property profits, excellent progress was made on the disposal of closed sites and a cash inflow of £81 million – £82 million fully funded the acquisition of a number of strategic freehold sites for the merchants and businesses.

Turning to 2022, our updated guidance is for base CapEx of around £140 million, ahead of the previous expectation of £125 million. This increase is driven by a decision to automate the new Toolstation direct distribution center and thus enable us to better manage the labor requirement while delivering a more efficient and lower cost service.

If I move on to capital structure, the balance sheet has been transformed as a result of the portfolio actions. Net debt, as measured for covenant purposes, was £87 million at the 31st of December, with lease liabilities reduced by over £900 million over the last two years. At the Capital Markets Update in September. I set out for you a target leverage range of 1.5 times to 2 times on a lease adjusted basis. This is compatible with investment grade debt metrics, and hence an optimized cost of funds for the group.

I said we want to operate towards the lower end of the range in the next couple of years, and on a pro forma basis adjusting for P&H proceeds still to be returned via buyback, yearend leverage was 1.5 times. You will have seen that we have announced this morning the final tranche of that buyback program, having completed £170 million to-date to return the P&H proceeds to shareholders in full.

The significantly strengthened balance sheet enables the group to invest in strategic growth opportunities, such as the expansion of Toolstation and the acquisition of Staircraft, while at the same time creating a scope for additional shareholder returns over and above the ordinary dividend.

So in terms of the outlook, the lead indicators for our markets remain encouraging with improved levels of housing transactions, leading to ongoing strength in both RMI and new house-building. We've seen an improvement in commercial markets particularly in commercial RMI, and the outlook for infrastructure is positive. As we've demonstrated in 2021, we're very adept of recovering input cost inflation through pricing activity and at managing availability challenges effectively. The group is in great shape, and given the robust end-market demand and a positive start to the New Year, we are confident of making further progress in 2022.

And with that, I'll hand back to Nick and look forward to taking questions later.

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Nicholas John Roberts

Excellent. Thanks, Alan. I hope you agree that what Alan has outlined represents a tremendous operational and financial performance. So now, I'm just going to touch on some elements of the strategic progress that we've made since we last met at the end of September. First, let's just remind ourselves of the dynamics of some of our end-markets, just to build out some of the comments that Alan made.

Being blunt, the planning system and the construction industry is failing to meet the needs of the country in terms of new and affordable housing. And UK's legacy housing stock remains underinvested, particularly in terms of energy efficiency. Furthermore, we have to continue to repair, maintain and improve our social infrastructure; schools, hospitals, prisons, other public buildings, and that work is well-served by our specialist merchants, BSS, CCF and the General Merchant.

And infrastructure continues, quite rightly, to attract high levels of investment and a positive policy backdrop from the government. But these needs support our view that our markets remain robust in the long-term, particularly from the RMI perspective.

In addition, our customer's requirements and their needs and their behaviors continue to change in the construction process, the industry we serve continues to change as we face into labor and skills challenges and the need to use different materials and materials more efficiently in the construction process and to continue to take out cost and complexity. So against this backdrop, we continue to feel that we are uniquely placed to be at the forefront of the change and benefit from those positive market dynamics.

So against that backdrop, let's have a quick recap of what's at the core of our strategy that we ran through back at the end – at the back end of September. We remain absolutely relentless in our focus on our relationship with our customers to meet their needs now and in the future. And that is all in service of us achieving our ambition to become the leading partner to the construction industry, but this requires us to do more for our customers. So how are we doing that?

So as before we recognize two key customer cohorts for our business; our professional trades and general builder customers who really need price transparency, stock accuracy, convenience, particularly around and increasingly around Click & Collect, delivered fulfillment, accuracy, expertise on materials particularly with respect to sustainability increasingly. And our larger developer and contractor customers who need fulfillment reliability, accuracy, seamless data integration, sustainability advise again increasingly, and removing time and complexity on their sites.

So, we're actively deepening our relationship with our customers to earn a greater share of their wallet by doing what we do in a simpler and more convenient way for them. But we're also elevating our relationship with our customers by adding new value and more value to their businesses, taking away costs, taking away complexity, reducing time on sites, introducing them to more efficient materials and ways of working. And we're to solve our customers' problems fundamentally. As we made progress, we remain focused on delivering this value through our five leading business units. But we're also leveraging the power of our group assets to bring additional value to our customers. And I'll cover that.

So, let me take you through some areas of progress. And I stress that these are not exhaustive. We've got multiple areas in play. But I just want to give you a sense of the progress we're making and how we're putting capital effectively to work. So, we continue to make great progress in deepening our relationship with our customers by really optimizing our branch channel experience and really being disciplined, as Alan said, in our investment in our branch channels. And it's all in service of making us more convenient and simple to do business with; accurate, simple, convenient, right stuff at the right place at the time for our customers, all underpinned by our knowledgeable colleagues in our branches.

So, we continue to open new destination branches where we can further grow market share and actually integrate services around the core product offer. So, that's higher and Benchmarx into our TP branches. As Alan mentioned, TF Solutions and higher into our BSS branches. And these new and existing branches, we're really investing in capability in our colleagues to really increase the penetration of our customer base with a deeper and broader offer. When you visit these destination branches, I was out in a number last week, they really work and customers love them. They really love the fact that integrated services are juxtapositioned with our core product offer.

But we continue to invest in new branches as well. New CCFs in West London and East Birmingham, and we've expanded our TF branch network – TF Solutions branch network by five last year. And we anticipate, as we said at the CMU, a more than 30% return on the investment in new and redeveloped General Merchant branches alike.

As Alan touched on, we continue to roll out our Toolstation network. 77 new branches in the UK, that's now a total of just over 530, 123 now in Europe. And we're successfully deepening the relevance of our Toolstation branches to our trade customers by our new essentials front-of-house range core trade items that are regularly needed for replenishment right at the front of the branch. And our trade customers absolutely love that sort of development. And it's coupled with new trade credit services in our Toolstation business, uptake of which has accelerated over the last few months.

And we've also opened our first Toolstation branch in a new TP branch in Swindon. Absolutely true to us furthering the collaboration between our businesses and again making it simpler and more convenient for our customers to get what they need in one place and deepening our relationship with them. So, it's too early to discuss progress on that, but we're moving forward with that collaboration really positively.

But it doesn't stop there. So, we're using technology to further deepen our relationship with our customers. Progress through our online and app channels has been really positive over the last year. This time last year, we had a basic online presence in our General Merchant and a good robust online presence in Toolstation. We've now got vastly improved online channels for our customers using AI to really optimize the experience that they get, and the feedback for that online channel has been fabulous.

And we got great trust pilot scores, but we've also, as we mentioned at the CMU so many of you will be aware, got now new mobile apps, which actually put in our customers' pockets access to their account, their pricing, and the ability to organize transactions and fulfillment with us. And they've been extremely popular, and they are generating at least a 25% increase in AOV. So, we've also implemented a simple digital onboarding process for our trade credit, and that's rapidly increasing participation through the back end of last year.

We're also building on our fabulous five-minute Click & Collect proposition in Toolstation by adding a one-hour Click & Collect within the General Merchant for our heavy building materials. That's really enhancing our customers' time efficiency for picking up whatever they need in getting back to their sites, and it's rounded out now by the complete rollout across our Merchant businesses of our delivery management system, so customers can track the vehicle, having booked a timeslot, see the vehicle, know what time it's going to come to them, and they can track it directly to the site, which really optimizes the efficiency with which they are managing their sites. And we're building out that platform with further enhancements to come.

So for our a cohort of larger developer and contractor customers, we're really working with them and now moving from pilot phase into operation, bespoke Web channels to them allowed – allowing seamless account management and fulfillment capability, really taking time and complexity out of their business.

We're also – and this is important for all people, we're also using our mobile apps to digitize the colleague in-branch experience. We're digitizing analog paper-based processes, goods in, permanent inventory counts, and now ticketing services within our branch, so our customers and our colleagues are seeing the benefits of our use of technology, and again, taking time and complexity out of our business. So, this is all enabling us to really focus on deepening our relationship with our customers and earning a greater share of their wallet.

So, how are we doing in what we call elevating our relationship with our customers to add more value? So, we're using our technology capability and our knowledge of our materials and sustainability, to add more value to our larger customers, wherein – where we're in long-term trusted relationships. So, for example, we're using our branch assets to create dedicated, local, efficient replenishment centers and hubs for our customers to work with their teams in those locations. And true to our purpose of developing the next generation of skills for our industry, we're also involving local college students in those locations, to introduce new and low carbon technologies to our customers and actually train their operatives alongside our colleagues to fit technologies like PV and air source heat pumps. And we're optimizing our technology platform for those customers to ensure that their fulfillment requirements are met really efficiently.

That's also increasing as value added. The participation and use of our higher business and we've also introduced new waste management solutions for those customers through the elevation of our relationship with them, so really positive progress made there.

As you know, we acquired – fully acquired Staircraft in the autumn as a way of really enhancing our business with new capability. They have leading design-led timber engineering capability and complex structural elements of houses. So in addition to the staircase, floors, door kits, precut moldings, all elements that take time and complexity out of a build.

So, we've applied artificial intelligence to the design of modular floor systems, joists, and floors that are now being supplied to five of the UK's largest house builders. They dramatically improve the structural integrity of the floor system. They reduce installation time, they reduce waste dramatically, they reduce costs and improve safety on site. And we're applying this capability to many more customers and it is taking out time and complexity in the construction progress. So as you can see, we're being true within that elevating our customer relationship to playing our part in modernizing the construction process in the UK with clever design and new ways of working.

So to recap then, we've made good early progress in our strategy. We're making sound investments which really deepen our relationship with our customers, and we're also finding ways based on our relationships to elevate our relationship with our customers and add more value and really progressively achieve the partnership role that we want. Our customers are really appreciating it and our colleagues are really energized by it.

So, all of this supports and is completely aligned with our very clear purpose that we shared in September. We're here to build better communities and enrich lives. Our ambition is clear; to be the leading partner to the construction industry and we're making really good progress.

I've also outlined that we're playing our part in modernizing the construction process, but we're also at the heart of decarbonizing our industry. We've set our Scope 3 target, which we announced, and for our Scope 1, 2, and 3 carbon targets, we received approved Science-Based Target initiative for the 1.5-degree pathway. We've published on our website and are delivering our carbon reduction roadmaps.

And we're also at the heart of generating the next generation of skills. We invested in nearly 1,000 apprenticeships for new and existing colleagues during the year, and we brought 500 Kickstart colleagues into the business, 75% of whom are remaining with a business on a permanent basis. That is us being really true to our purpose and developing our business.

So, what you've seen over the last three years is a fundamental shift in the shape, the focus and the strength of this group. We're serving our customers through five leading trade-focused businesses and we've strengthened the group and its balance sheet. We've accelerated much needed change and we're really at the forefront of changing our industry. And we have a unique set of assets and capabilities that we're deploying for our customers by deepening and elevating our relationship with them, not as a home improvement retailer, but as a best-in-class value-added distributor, really helping our customers solve their problems by adding value and finding ways forward, all on the way to becoming the leading partner to the construction industry. So, I think we've made a fantastic start to this journey. We're very respectful of our history, but we're not looking back, we're only looking forward.

We laid out in September, we got a clear, repeatable model focused on delivering TSR, positioning our five principle businesses to grow above the market, deepening and elevating our relationship with customers, strong cash conversion, management of working capital as Alan outlined, and funding growth from within our business through our rigor and disciplined allocation of capital, providing attractive earnings growth and good dividends for our shareholders and the potential to return further excess capital to shareholders in the future.

So, I'm incredibly proud of what we've achieved in 2021, delivering on our promises, doing exactly what we said we would do, delivering our strategy relentlessly, rigorously with real discipline and at pace, and focusing on our customers and building better communities, being at heart of the construction industry, and changing the lives of many for years to come.

So thank you for that. Alan and I will now take your questions. What I propose to do is to prioritize questions in the room, if I may. And then we will go out to the phone lines. So, if we can have some microphones, Matt. Thank you. [indiscernible]

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Matt Worster
Director-Investor Relations, Travis Perkins Plc

(00:33:19) that's probably the best way to do it.

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Aynsley Lammin
Analyst, Investec Bank Plc

Okay. Thanks. Just two from me. Aynsley Lammin from Investec. I wondered, firstly, if you could just comment on the kind of outlook for volumes this year. I know there's some fear that as kind of the wider economy opens up, RMI's had this big boost and certainly we're going to see a [indiscernible] (00:33:37). Just wondered what your view on that was and are you confident volumes are at least kind of flat for the market this year?

And then secondly, you talked about – you expect to make more progress this year. Would that be correct to understanding in that progress kind of group profit include in the property this year? So, obviously property profits towards £25 million, so is that right interpreting that way? Thanks.

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Alan Richard Williams

Do you want to me start, Nick? It felt quite financial. So, on the volume outlook, and I'll let Nick comment as well, of course. I think we're confident in the market volume outlook. So, I don't see any reason why volume should go down in trade-focused markets. When we talk to our customers, they still have strong order books. I took you through earlier some of the segments and I've used there. So, RMI, why do I think domestic RMI is well supported where we saw a significant uptick in housing transactions? Housing transactions may do their thing during the year. They could be lower than last year, but we know – history shows us that when people move home, they spend money on the new home in the 18, 24 months after moving. So, I think that's a supportive environment. We know from the house builders – the volume house builders, they are looking to build more units each year.

I mentioned that we'd seen a pickup in commercial markets including in commercial RMI. We've seen a corresponding pickup in things like social housing as well. Some of those areas that were the slowest to recover from the pandemic, we've seen those accelerate recently. And we're doing more in infrastructure going forward as well. So I think the volume environment overall is favorable for us.

In terms of the second question, Aynsley, more progress. We do mean more progress on operating profit. You're right to point out that the guidance is that property profits will go from £49 million to £25 million, but not withstanding that, I expect a nudge forward on the total operating profit for the group.

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Nicholas John Roberts

Aynsley, I'd only add from a non-financial perspective just to Alan's comments, look, the reason we think RMI remains robust is that people make long-term decisions, and many of those people who are making long-term decisions haven't necessarily been disadvantaged by the pandemic. And indeed, the pattern of work is such that people will – many people will remain in a kind of hybrid mode. So investments in their property, if we look at domestic RMI, we think will remain robust through the year. And as I and Alan said, the social infrastructure RMI remains very pressing indeed. And the progress we intend to make against our strategy is, as I outlined there, really we're making some early good progress and we will be relentless in prosecuting that through the year. Thanks, Aynsley.

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Matt Worster
Director-Investor Relations, Travis Perkins Plc

Will?

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Will Jones
Analyst, Redburn Partners

Thanks. Will Jones from Redburn. Three, please. I think around Merchanting. The first was just on the issue of the gross margin. Clearly, the inventory gain of 40 bps drops out. Is there anything else to bear in mind around gross margin in 2022? I was particularly wondering around customer mix if new build is faring better than RMI within the mix?

Second one was just whether you had any early view around how Merchanting performed last year against the market, perhaps it's affected by the comps in 2020, so maybe a two-year view, but just any sense of outperformance or not in that business? And then just more coming back to price, I guess if we look last year, your Merchanting we went from low-single digits to low-double digit through the year, I think to [ph] average 9 (00:37:36). Could we get a mirror image to average something similar do you think in 2022? Thanks.

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Alan Richard Williams

I'd better start on those, Nick. They feel quite financial. So on gross margin, Will, you're right the 40 basis points from stock inflation will drop out to a certain extent. I'm not sure it will fully 100% drop out. And the reason for that goes a bit to your point around the – your third question, Will, on pricing outlook. So, the higher the level of cost price inflation you see, the more likely you are to retain in effect some of that 40 basis points because you've got inflation gains on the stock that you had at 31st of December 2021.

In terms of other features, I think it's neutral overall. So, you're right that as volumes in areas, the large volume areas like new house building, social housing recover, that's a slight drag on the gross margin but it's offset by some of the added value things that we're doing including areas like tool hire. So, we have over 250 tool hire branches within TP branches. They've all been adding colleagues because of the level of demand that we're seeing at the moment. So, we're better able to service that demand.

In terms of outperformance or not in Merchanting in 2021, to a certain extent it was a year of two halves for the General Merchant where we are annualizing for the first half against the closure of branches. But as we got into the second half of the year, and we're no longer annualizing that, we're confident on the outperformance there. And I think we know from our specialist merchants, they have been outperforming their markets for six or seven years. They're in the best shape they've been and continue to perform really strongly.

And then on the question on pricing outlook, you were quite right, 9% inflation – price inflation overall on 2021, 6% in the first half, growing to 12% in the second half. I think you're right, the best view I've got at the moment is a mirror image of 2021, so double-digit cost price inflation, low double-digit, I should stress in the first half and then tailing off in the second half. We are still seeing manufacturer price increases come through. Not surprisingly, anything that's energy intensive, I would expect to see continued price increases coming through. But we're very confident in the way that we manage those through with our customers.

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Matt Worster
Director-Investor Relations, Travis Perkins Plc

Thanks, Will.

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Gregor Kuglitsch
Analyst, UBS AG (London Branch)

So, Gregor Kuglitsch from UBS. Maybe a couple of questions, touching maybe on Toolstation, which obviously dipped, I think slightly negative against a hard comp in Q4. If you just care to comment how that is expected to evolve. I guess the comparators are still pretty challenging, and perhaps if you could give us sort of the component that you think is sort of exposed to a little bit of DIY unwind?

And the second question, if you just – the acquisition that you made, if you just care to perhaps elaborate what the profit and sales contribution of that would be? And then finally, back on the Merchanting margin, I mean, you kind of just in your answer there, you were suggesting you're going to have basically the same again. So the question is why should the stock [indiscernible] (00:41:29) at all, perhaps it's a more 2023 event rather than 2022? Thank you.

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Matt Worster
Director-Investor Relations, Travis Perkins Plc

You want to start with Staircraft, Nick?

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Nicholas John Roberts

Yes. So Staircraft is a £55 million revenue business. I think there are some details in the back of the note there, that you'll find Gregor. So, a £55 million business at a kind of 6% operating margin that obviously now a big part of the group with value-added that we're bringing to our customers and the integration particularly with the customers in the General Merchant but increasingly the BSS and CCF, we believe that will move favorably over the next few years.

Alan, do you want to come back on Toolstation?

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Alan Richard Williams

Yeah. So on Toolstation, Gregor, I think, when I covered on slide 10, my comments in relation to Toolstation, the sales mix normalized during the second half, so we saw that large uptick in DIY volumes dropping back out from Q3 onwards. So, I'd expect that to continue as I said through the first four months or five months of 2022 until we're no longer cycling that. The key factor I want to stress about Toolstation is that our regular customers, so those heaviest spending customers, the stats there on the page, we grew 22% with our customers who spend over £1,000 annually with this in the second half.

So all we're seeing is a challenging comp as the DIY piece drops through. We're very confident and we wouldn't have made the comments we've made about the future outlook if we're not confident with the direction of travel being spot on what we had expected with the business. So, getting to a 6% – 6.3% operating margin in the UK with further growth to come, we're confident in the £1 billion-plus outlook for 2025. And we're increasingly confident with the growth path in Europe as well.

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Nicholas John Roberts

I think it's been an absolutely stunning propositional development within our Toolstation business. And that's what we're seeing particularly and focused on our trade customers. And that was always the intention. So, we need to go into a branch and see what the team have done around the front of house in the way the trade interact with that and the way in which the participation is increasing in our trade credit service through Toolstation. That's what we've been driving. That's what we'll return in this business. And we will exit the comps and we will move forward with the plan. So, we're really excited about it. And I think absolute – that business is different this time this year than it was this time last year. I mean stunning progress.

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Alan Richard Williams

And then Gregor, I think I understood your question on Merchanting. Let me answer it this way, we're confident in where we are at the moment. Some of the areas which were the slowest to return from the pandemic are big areas for the TP Group in terms of the Merchanting segment. So, we've got momentum from those. And we're also confident that the actions that we've taken in the General Merchant put us in a position to outperform. And to operate around that 8% to 8.5% operating margin level is perfectly fine for the business going forward.

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Gregor Kuglitsch
Analyst, UBS AG (London Branch)

Thank you.

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Clyde Lewis
Analyst, Peel Hunt LLP

Clyde Lewis at Peel Hunt. Three if I may. One, I suppose coming back on price. I suppose given the sort of movements that we've seen in the marketplace. And obviously, historically the group has sort of jumped around a little bit about being a price leader in terms of sort of wanting to maximize price as opposed to being a bit more competitive.

What have you done I suppose within the key businesses in terms of that approach over the last 6 to 12 months? So, have you looked to be more competitive on price, have you actually looked to lead a bit more on price? And I suppose linked to that is the changes that you've made within the Green & Gold in terms of the website and the increased pricing visibility that sort of smaller customers have got there?

The second one I had was on Benchmarx. I think it got one very small mention in the presentation. What do I read from that I suppose is the question where does that sit in your current thinking? And the last one was on really I suppose the number of customer accounts, I suppose particularly in Travis and BSS, Keyline and CCF. It'd be useful to sort of understand the sort of development of the total account numbers in those major businesses?

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Nicholas John Roberts

Let me start Alan with Benchmarx and come up to the General Merchant and then we'll come back on customer gaps. So, an interesting set of questions. Thanks for that. Yeah, look, I don't think we look to send any signal with our comments on Benchmarx. Absolutely Benchmarx is key to our proposition and it was really heavily laid out by Kieran at the CMU in September how important Benchmarx is.

What we've done with Benchmarx as we outlined then is integrate it within the General Merchant. So, we're actually putting it in where it isn't present into our new branches within the General Merchant and making sure that our trade customers who are coming in for that product – for a project is a seamless integration with the kitchen that they need if that's part of the project. And we're seeing a fantastic response to that. Our customer penetration, which due to lack of integration of those two businesses, wasn't where we wanted it to be, continues to improve.

And where we have our new destination branches, deliberately building in that Benchmarx showroom and branch into the core Travis Perkins offer is proving extremely successful. So Benchmarx is absolutely key. Not only that, we are working now with our Managed Services customers and obviously the addition of the expertise from Staircraft gives us the opportunity to think about kitchen solutions and modular kitchen solutions. It's again taking time, cost and complexity out of replacing kitchen units in social landlord units where access is constrained. So Benchmarx gives us a real edge in that core trade customer proposition and the integration of that business with the General Merchant has proved to be extremely successful. So we're really pleased about that.

Your point on price. I think we outlined through 2020 and through 2021 actually the changes we've made in our pricing architecture, much greater simplicity, much greater transparency. You cannot have a credible web offer or anything on an app without actually being competitive in your pricing. So many of our customers, our regular customers, trade customers will have their negotiated pricing architecture with us. That will appear on their app, and on their account on the website. But actually for non – for non-account holders of which we have many, you have to be competitively priced. And I think that's what we've achieved through our key value item pricing as well as our overall pricing architecture. But that's a story from 2020 through 2021 as well.

And we're really, as I said, we're really, really pleased with what we've seen through our digital channels. I mean, that's an investment we made because customers want to do – they want to have the choice. It's going to be either or necessarily they want to use both the branch channel and digital channel. So actually having provision for both is really important to our business.

Do you want to comment on customer accounts?

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Alan Richard Williams

So, Clyde, I'd actually link in some way the point about the overall pricing architecture and the number of customer accounts. So, in essence, we saw the number of accounts we got grow during 2021. And the reason for the linkage that I make, I think it's fair to say that by being a price leader going back to – that was the strategy particularly around 2005 in the General Merchant. So, going back many years, I think it left a sour taste or a bad impression with some customers who tried this again when they were struggling for availability of product last year so that they could complete the jobs.

They were favorably impressed that the pricing is very competitive within the General Merchant, so we managed to gain customers with cash accounts and convert a number of those to credit accounts during 2021 in the General Merchant, which is something we've not done for a while in big numbers. So, we're really pleased with the progress that we're making there.

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Nicholas John Roberts

And Clyde, you also talked about our specialist merchants. We got two of our MDs in the room here. We made tremendous progress last year again and in 2020 with simplifying the pricing architecture. We made – and we talked about it at the CMU and other presentations around the progress we've made in simplifying our business by netting out rebates, for example, radically enhancing the kind of simplicity of the pricing architecture for our specialist merchant customers as well. So, progress made across the board and customers have really noticed it, so has our competition. Thanks, Clyde.

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Sam Cullen
Analyst, Peel Hunt LLP

Yeah. Morning. It's Sam Cullen from Peel Hunt. Also, I've got three as well, although I think two are interrelated really. The first one hopefully, fairly simple is, you mentioned the destination branches in TP. Can you give us an idea of what's scope you see for those expanding? What are the realistic numbers over time? And then secondly, when you talk about the average order value and growing share of wallet in Toolstation, how are you disaggregating share of wallet versus just industry wallet increasing over the last year?

And a similar question in terms of the maturity profile of Toolstation that you talked about accelerating in the last three years. How are you going to split out what's happening in that maturity profile because the market has grown so much in the last 18 months versus the network effect of Toolstation doubling branches say in three years?

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Nicholas John Roberts

Good. Thank you. So we said at the CMU that it's likely that our branch numbers within the General Merchant will stay somewhere between 550 and 600. And we haven't changed that view. So we are closing some smaller, more challenged branches because of location, we want larger destination branches. We're opening new. Some we're repurposing. So we don't necessarily – we're sticking with that sort of view that overall the numbers will remain in that range.

Our focus though is on getting these larger, more capable destination branches where we bring higher, where we bring Benchmarx and as I said in our new Swindon branch, we bought Toolstation in as well. In March [indiscernible] (00:52:34) next to last year, we opened a small, I suppose you could call it small sort of trade location, trade parks where we had TP alongside Toolstation alongside BSS. We know those locations worked really well. They've become destinations for our customers and that starts to attract that opportunity to deepen the relationship and attract more share of wallet.

In Toolstation, we look carefully to your point about share of wallet at our trade customer accounts. That's where we're really focused, because actually if we look at the overall, we get back into the kind of comps with the lower value purchases that we've seen through the pandemic, those DIY customers, you and I. And so, we really see that as we've enhanced our trade credit proposition, as we've enhanced our app capability, project listings for our trade customers so that they can do repeat orders really quickly, enhancing their search capability, meshing in the trade credit clarity with the app, and we've continued to enhance the trade relevance of our range and the in-branch experience, that's where we see the share of wallet going up. And that's exactly what we want for those trade customers, as Alan said, those over £1,000 a year trade customers, that's really our key focus. And that's where we've made some such good progress. [indiscernible]

(00:53:49) the maturity profile?

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Alan Richard Williams

Yeah. On the maturity profile, Sam, the point that – the good thing about the Toolstation business being a very digital business is we have the history of every sale from the very first sale, and we know the sales profile by branch as well. So, we look at the openings, and we call them cohorts year-by-year, and the simple point I'm making is compared to the average maturity profile that we'd seen on previous branches, the ones that we've opened in the last three years are very significantly ahead, and therefore, we get to a cash breakeven contribution to overheads much more quickly on the 200 we've opened in the last three years more quickly than the previous 330.

I agree there'll be a – there will be an overall network scale effect, but that's the beauty of the Toolstation model in that it – and why we're so confident on hitting the £1 billion for the business, because you start to get momentum. The more units you have, the more you're able to do with trade credible products, expanding the SKU range, the digital side of the business, the app, a strongly performing website. All of those features build on each other and give you that momentum going forwards. And it's why we can say with confidence we'll hit the sales number, we'll hit the margin target that we've got for the business.

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Sam Cullen
Analyst, Peel Hunt LLP

Thanks.

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Priyal Woolf
Analyst, Jefferies International Ltd.

Thanks. Its Priyal here from Jefferies. I think I've got three questions. So, the first one, obviously you've talked about sort of supply constraints starting to ease, but are there any metrics you sort of track that help us to quantify this, things like fill rates and how are these progressing now? Where are they versus where they usually are? And do you sense sort of an advantage versus some of the smaller independents on this front?

The second question, Nick I know you mentioned that, actually most people you sell into haven't been that impacted financially by COVID, but is there any sort of anecdotal evidence from some of your trade customers that maybe cost inflation, which is definitely going to continue this year, is starting to hinder some of that demand even in the short to mid-term?

And then the last question is just the extra £15 million that you're spending on the fulfillment center. I mean, could we just get a bit more detail on that? I mean, what are you spending that on? What does it achieve? Just sort of how revolutionary is what you're doing now? Thanks.

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Nicholas John Roberts

Brilliant. Thank you. On the anecdotal evidence, we have undertaken three times last year, I think, our RMI index, which we've made available which – and Alan commented on this, where we have seen – this is a survey of our trade customers, where we have seen really no change in their forward order book. So, typically they might be out at 8 or so weeks, 8 to 10 weeks, and they've extended well past that through last year and they are sustained.

Anecdotally, you do hear some stories probably more actually in the commercial or social infrastructure space where projects might have been delayed for concerns around price inflation. That was a feature more of last summer when there was so much hubris around that. That we think has settled back. Our forward order books remain strong and we don't see sustained evidence or significant evidence of projects being moved to the right on the basis of inflation or materials challenges.

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Alan Richard Williams

So, Priyal, on the supply constraints, the way we measure this is at availability measure. So, when the branch needs a product from a fulfillment center, do we have it in the fulfillment center or not? And looking at that across all the SKUs that we sell. And on that availability measure, we're largely back to where we were pre-pandemic. I think there will continue to be some tight areas of supply during the year, but I don't think that's having an impact on our customers, more on the safety stock levels that we're carrying.

On the incremental £15 million of CapEx, first of all, the fit out of the new DC in terms of the racking sprinklers, those sorts of things is all in the base CapEx and was in the [ph] £125 million (00:58:38) that we outlined at the end of September at the Capital Markets Update. What's different is the incremental £15 million is on various elements of automation within the warehouse. So this is a warehouse where we will be picking individual items and boxing those. So, its conveyors, its boxing equipment, automation of that, automated guided vehicles to collect the product from the racks, take that to picking areas.

The reason we're doing that is to put ourselves in a position where we can manage the cost better going forwards, quite simply. So, it will be around three-year payback on the equipment. It helps you from a labor efficiency. And we all know that labor within the distribution space is quite tight in the UK at the moment. So, I'd describe that as absolutely future-proofing the facility that we're putting in place.

Now, my learned colleague, the Finance Director at Toolstation, Richard, would tell me that the technology that we're using is Volkswagen Golf type technology. This is not leading-edge technology by any means, so we're not building a very advanced, I'm saying it's all tried and trusted, solid German and Swiss engineering that we'll be using.

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Arnaud Lehmann
Analyst, Merrill Lynch International

Thank you very much. Good morning. Arnaud Lehmann from Bank of America. I've got four, but they are short.

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Nicholas John Roberts

Do you promise, Arnaud?

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Arnaud Lehmann
Analyst, Merrill Lynch International

I promise. Firstly, just can you confirm that the business trends you've seen in January and February are consistent with Q4 and give you this confidence into growing top line and profits in 2022?

Secondly, could you – I mean, you are talking about gaining share of wallet. I believe that was about Toolstation, but I think in TP, you were also talking about getting market share. Can you comment about the competitive environment, what you're seeing at the likes of Selco, Buildbase, Jewson, et cetera? Are they on track as well as on the pricing and value creation rather than chasing volumes? Thirdly on debt, I think your net debt position including lease liabilities at the end of December is broadly consistent with what we saw back at the end of June [ph] 600-plus (01:01:13).

I was hoping for maybe a bit more free cash flow generation and being able to bring the debt position a bit lower December versus June. Was there any one-off to think about in the cash flow statement? And lastly, property profits. You spent 2021 increasing the guidance and eventually beating your own guidance at the end. Are there any particular projects we should have in mind that could imply upside to your 2022 property profit guidance? That's it.

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Nicholas John Roberts

Good Arnaud. Let me take the first two Alan and then we'll – sort of you know why we don't we comment on January and February and we just closed our books last night, February. But as we've said in the statement, positive start to the year, confident for 2022. So, I think I'll leave at that. On our – lots going on in the competitive environment in 2021. I'm sure you have dived into our competitive results that one of whom obviously Selco came out last week. [indiscernible] (01:02:22) how they're getting on.

Our view is that we are gaining share and performing very positively around those respective competitors. But our side by side against some of our key competitors, as much as you can dig into their figures some times, to separate out those businesses indicates that we're making really good progress. So, we're very positive around that. We think we're doing all the right things on our strategy focusing on deepening that relationship. And then really you talked about you used the word value creation, I think when we look at how we're elevating our relationship and adding services and solutions around our core offer, we really are at the forefront of that in our space. So, we're very positive around the strategic progress we've made.

Debt, Alan?

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Alan Richard Williams

Yeah. So, on the net debt, Arnaud, there aren't any particular issues that I'd draw your attention to. We did end the year with more stock in terms of volume not just a price impact. Some of that was anticipating some of the availability challenges that we saw last year and making sure that we're well-stocked on Keylines and within the General Merchants in particular, but there's nothing particular that I'd draw your attention to.

A lot of that is funded by the trade creditors. So I think it would be more in the – the key thing is the increasing working capital of £150 million in the year was all about the trade debtors. When I look at the trade credit book in terms of days of sale, overdues as a percentage of the debt, they're all at really good levels. So I said during the comments earlier, record lows on the level of overdues. So there's nothing I'd draw your attention to that stands out in there.

On the property profits for last year, first of all, why did we up the guidance to at least £40 million? Well, it's because we'd started marketing the Tilbury distribution center and we were confident on getting a transaction done in the year. Why did it come in at £49 million? Well, we got more for that property than I thought we were going to get, a lot more, and hence the outturn that we had on the year.

The £25 million for this year, they are very specific projects. It's always difficult to predict exactly the flow of these things. But I'm confident that that £25 million of projects will be there. If there's any more that come along, I'll give you good, early notice.

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Arnaud Lehmann
Analyst, Merrill Lynch International

Sounds good. Thank you very much.

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Matt Worster
Director-Investor Relations, Travis Perkins Plc

Charlie.

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Charlie Campbell
Analyst, Liberum Capital Ltd.

Yes. It's Charlie Campbell at Liberum. Just two really for me, please. Just – first of all, just on Toolstation, I'm thinking about the profile of margins as the business matures. It does sound to me from the presentation today as if actually trade might end up being a bigger percentage of Toolstation UK than you've previously thought which is probably helpful for margin. So, I just wonder if you – this is the right time to be thinking about margin at maturity being a bit bigger than previously expected or perhaps that story has got bit longer to run.

And then, secondly on Toolstation again on the UK business. Glad to hear that this Volkswagen Golf technology in there. Is the installation of that all outsourced? Just again to get an idea of the risks to that project. Automated system sounds quite risky to me. But just on thoughts on mitigation of the risk of that program.

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Nicholas John Roberts

Yes. So, Charlie, just starting with that one. The installation is outsourced. We're working with a partner to manage all the different contractors. We also have a failsafe mechanism and that is a warehouse that can be operated manually if needed as well as having the automation there. On the Toolstation margin maturity, I think you're right that trade will be a significant proportion of the business. In my mind, we'd always anticipated that and that's reflected in the range of products that we stock and getting into more and more trade credible ranges.

I think it's a little early to start calling margin could be bigger than expected. And the other point I'd point out is that we do maintain a fairly healthy price advantage versus the competition within Toolstation. And we're very keen on keeping that because that's one of the things that our customers love about the business.

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Charlie Campbell
Analyst, Liberum Capital Ltd.

And just as a supplementary, has the take up of trade credit not surprised you? I mean, that was sort of a message it seems to have come out. I mean, perhaps I'm over reading that.

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Nicholas John Roberts

I think the trade credit is going really well. It's always difficult when you've not done it before in a business like that to know quite how it will take off. But we've automated the process. It's actually another area of collaboration between the TP, General Merchant, and Toolstation that's in place in that it's the TP, General Merchant credit team have helped put that automation and process in place for the Toolstation business to accelerate qualifying customers for credit. So it's going – at this stage it's going really well. Still small overall, but really promising.

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Charlie Campbell
Analyst, Liberum Capital Ltd.

Thank you.

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Matt Worster
Director-Investor Relations, Travis Perkins Plc

Jon Bell next. If we could bring the mic.

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Nicholas John Roberts

No? No, Jon. [indiscernible] (01:08:15). Matt, as we got a couple of minutes left, are there any more questions in the room?

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Matt Worster
Director-Investor Relations, Travis Perkins Plc

We've got three on the phone lines on the conference call. Would you like to take those?

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Nicholas John Roberts

Yeah. [indiscernible]

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Matt Worster
Director-Investor Relations, Travis Perkins Plc

(01:08:25). [Operator Instructions]

Operator

And we will take our first question from Rajesh Patki from JPMorgan.

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Rajesh Patki
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities Plc

Yes. Hi. Good morning, everyone. I hope you can hear me well.

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Nicholas John Roberts

Yeah.

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Rajesh Patki
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities Plc

Hello?

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Nicholas John Roberts

We can hear you, Rajesh. Go ahead.

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Rajesh Patki
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities Plc

Hello. Can you hear me well?

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Nicholas John Roberts

Yeah. Rajesh, go ahead if you can. Thank you.

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Rajesh Patki
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities Plc

Yes. I've got two questions. First one is on the Specialist Merchanting business. You mentioned record profit delivery for BSS and Keyline. Just wondering if that is largely due to better margins this year or is the top line for each one of those businesses ahead of the 2019 level as well?

And the second one is, I think you touched upon – briefly on the second half performance, but if you can add some color on how you're thinking about the working capital moves for this year, that'll be great. Thank you.

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Nicholas John Roberts

Okay.

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Alan Richard Williams

Rajesh, its Alan here. So on the second half performance and the outlook on working capital, I think working capital as a percentage of sales or on a DSO basis, I'd expect to see broadly consistent with 2021. I'd actually suspect there'll be a little reduction on that basis of percentage of sales in the Merchanting business, which will help us from the continued expansion on Toolstation. In terms of the Specialist businesses and BSS and Keyline in particular, certainly on a two-year basis if you look, they were growing they're like-for-like sales healthily. The gross margins were really solid in both businesses. But one of the points I highlighted was the efficiency within those businesses, namely having closed some branches during 2020 which were lower than the average revenue and difficult sites to operate.

We've managed to effectively recover volumes without adding back as much operating cost into the business. So we saw an improvement in the overheads to sales ratios in the businesses as well. That was across the three Specialists. And I've no doubt if we hadn't been held back by availability challenges within CCF, we would have seen a similar pattern given the improvement that we made in the network during 2021 – sorry, 2020.

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Nicholas John Roberts

Thank you, Rajesh. We have time maybe for one more, Matt.

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Rajesh Patki
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities Plc

Thank you.

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Matt Worster
Director-Investor Relations, Travis Perkins Plc

Yeah. One more, please.

Operator

And we will take the next question from Ami Galla from Citi.

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Ami Galla
Analyst, Citigroup Global Markets Ltd.

Thank you, guys. Just a few questions from me. First one is a follow up on Toolstation. Could you give us some sense of the possible timing of the direct fulfillment center reopening up? And in terms of Toolstation, where does the online mix in the business currently sit? And do we expect that to increase over the next couple of years as you kind to use the fulfillment center in that regard?

My next question was on Staircraft. You've been given – you've given a reasonably helpful guide in terms of the sort of house builders that you're working with. Is there a number that you can give us in terms of the average number of sites that Staircraft is currently being used on? And the last one is just a follow up on the working capital flows for 2022. Do – is this sort of level of debtors in the business at the right level or should we see further investment in that regard going forward?

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Nicholas John Roberts

Thank you, Ami. Let me start and Alan will pick up. If I heard you rightly, the timing for the DC is back end of this year and into early next. And the online mix, we haven't set necessarily a target for that, it's just a huge opportunity for us. And through really driving the quality and capability on our online channel as well as the app channel, there's just a great opportunity for growth and we've been really pleased by the positive uptake and performance so far.

Staircraft, I have to come back to you on the number of sites specifically. I mean as I said, we're working with all the top house builders and growing that business extremely positively. So, we'll just have to respond to you on the number of sites, I'm not sure. No, no. Okay.

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Alan Richard Williams

And then on the question, Ami, around working capital and trade debtors, is it at the right level? I think if you look at the trade credit as a percentage of Merchanting sales, the trade debtor book that gives you a very good indication of where we are on the business. And as I was at pains to point out now for the third time of asking record low overdues as a percentage of sales within the business as well.

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Nicholas John Roberts

Just on Staircraft, Ami...

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Ami Galla
Analyst, Citigroup Global Markets Ltd.

Thank you.

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Nicholas John Roberts

...our opportunity here extends way beyond the large house builders who are very important customers to us for Staircraft and the rest of the business. But actually the opportunity to grow that business into our regional and bespoke house builder cohort is really exciting for us. And so, we move beyond the traditional names that you and I will know and love and into a group of customers that actually, in aggregate, exceed the demand of the large house builders. So, it's a really exciting opportunity for us to grow our Staircraft business. Thanks, Ami.

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Nicholas John Roberts

I think we are absolutely on time. So, thank you so much to everybody on the webcast and for those who have asked us some questions and everybody in the room. It's been a fabulous year for us and one that we're extremely proud of. The business is incredibly confident, and we look forward to 2022, and we look forward to seeing you again soon. Thank you very much.

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