Hello.
Good
afternoon
and
thank
you
for
joining
Gestamp's
Full
Year
2021
Results
Presentation.
I
am Alvaro
Bachiller,
Director
of
Corporate
Controlling
and
Investor
Relations.
Before
proceeding,
let
me
point
you
to
the
disclaimer
on
slide
2 of
the
presentation
that
has
been
posted
on
our
website
and
that
sets
out
the
legal
framework
under
which
this
presentation
must
be
considered.
The
conference
call
will
be
led
by
our
Executive
Chairman,
Mr.
Riberas,
and
myself.
Ana
Fuentes,
Director
of
Investor
Relations,
is
also
attending
the
call
with
us.
At
the
end
of
the
conference,
we
will
open
up
for
Q&A.
Now,
let
me
turn
over the
call
to
our
Executive
Chairman.
F
Francisco José Riberas Mera
Executive Chairman, Gestamp Automoción SA
Good
afternoon.
Thanks
for
joining
us
in
this
conference
call
in
which
we
will
present
the
full
year
results
for
2021
and
also
we
will provide
our
guidance
for
2022. I'll just
give
a
summary
that
I
think
we
have
been
able
to
obtain
very
solid
results
in
2021
despite
a
very
challenging
auto
market.
I
think
we
have
been
able
to
react
fast,
continuing
our
efforts
during
the
2020
year,
and
this
has
been –
has
allow
us
to
meet
quite
comfortable
the
guidance
that
we
have
in
the
beginning
of
last
year.
In
concrete,
specifically,
we
have
been
able
to
outperform
in
terms
of
our
revenues
by
8.1%,
the
global
auto
production
of
commercial
light
vehicles.
In
terms
of
EBITDA
margin,
we
have
been
able
to
reach
12.3%
which
is
much
better
than
what
we
did
in
2020.
And
also,
it's
higher
than
the
one
we
had
in
2019
with
much
lower
volumes.
We
have
been
able
to
have
a
free
cash
flow
generation this
year
of
€248
million.
And
altogether
with
2020,
we
have
generated
€524
million.
And
we
have
also
been
able
to
come
back
to
the
net
income,
allowing
us
this year
to
pay
the
dividend
against
2021
year results.
If
we
move
to the
slide
5,
here,
we
are
basically
trying
to
explain
that
we
have
been
able
to
improve
or
to
increase
our
profitability
in
a
year
which
has
been
quite
negative
in
terms
of volumes. You
will
see
the
chart.
In
fact,
in
2021,
the
global
manufacturing
of
light
vehicles
have
reached
77.1
million,
which
is
9%,
almost
9%
less
than
initial
forecast
in
the
beginning
of
the
year
and
is
substantially
lower
than
the
89
million
vehicles
which
were
produced in
2019.
But
not
only the
volumes
in
absolute
terms,
but
also the
volatility
in
terms
of
the
production
schemes
has
also
been
very
difficult
to
manage
in
our
plant
and,
of
course,
the
impact
of
the
different
variants
around
COVID.
In
this
environment,
quite
difficult,
we
have
been
able
to
generate
a
12.3%
margin
of
EBITDA
which
2.1%
margin
expansion
versus
2020,
with
only
3%
more
in
terms
of
production
of
vehicles.
And
we
have
also
improved,
as
I
mentioned,
0.5%
in
terms
of
EBITDA
margin
compared
with
2019
with
13%
lower
auto
market
production.
I
think
clearly
that
we
have
been
able
to
consolidate
the
kind
of
very
important
step
we
did
in
2020
around
our
fixed
cost
structure
and
also
around
our
efficiency
measures
and
stability
of
our
operations.
And
also,
we
have
been
able
to
offset
part
of
the
inflationary
pressure
we
have,
especially
in
the
second
half
of
2021,
in
some
of
our
geographies.
Moving
to
the
slide
6,
I
think
as
I
mentioned
in
the
beginning,
we
have
been
able
to
meet
clearly
and
improved
our
guidance
for
2021.
In
fact,
we
did
an
improvement
of
the
guidance
in
July.
In
fact,
we
have
reduced
our
target
in
terms
of
CapEx
from
7%
that
we
guided
in
February
to
6.5%
revenues.
And
in
terms
of
net
debt,
we
increased
from
a
debt
that
we
wanted
have
of
€12 billion,
excluding
IFRS,
to
a
net
reduction
of
more
than
€100
million
for
the
full
year
2020.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
the
final
results
for
2021,
we
have
been
able
to
outperform
in
terms
of
revenue
the
market
by
8.1%.
In
terms
of
EBITDA
margin,
we
have
been
able
to
obtain
a
12.3%
EBITDA
margin
with
much
less
volume.
In
terms
of
CapEx,
we
have
a
6%
CapEx
to
sales
with
less
revenues.
And
we
have
been
able
to
reduce
our
debt
with
€190
million
which
is
in
terms
of
IFRS,
including
IFRS
16,
a
net
reduction
of
€219
million.
Moving
to
the slide
7,
here,
we
have
all
the
figures
concerning
the
financial
year
2021.
In
terms
of
revenues,
as
mentioned, almost
€8.1
billion
which
is
an
increase
of
8.5%
compared
with
the
previous
year,
€11.2
billion
at
constant
FX;
an
EBITDA
of
€998
million
which
means
a
very
important
improvement,
31.7%
compared
with
the
previous
year;
EBITDA
margin
of
12.3%;
EBIT
of
€413
million
compared
with €158
million
in
the
year 2020;
a
net
income
of
€155
million
compared
with
a
negative
or
the
losses
of
€71
million
in 2020;
with
a
CapEx
of
€531
million
even
lower
than
the
one
we
have
in
2020;
with
a
net
debt
of
€2.266
billion,
which
represents
a
reduction
compared
with
the
previous
year
of
€219
million.
In
the slide
8,
we
have
the
financial
performance
for
the
fourth
quarter.
This
quarter,
we
have
our
total
revenue
of
€2.214 billion,
a
little
bit
less
than
the
one
we
had
in
the
fourth
quarter
2020
and
basically
impacted
by
a
full
October.
But
we
have
been
able
to
generate
in
absolute
terms
the
same
EBITDA
of €296
million,
which
means
that
our
EBITDA
margin
has
grown
from
12.5%
in
the
fourth
quarter
2020 to
13.4%
in
this
last
quarter.
EBIT,
same,
€140
million
than
in
the
previous
year.
And
net
income
of
€55
million
which
compare
with
the
€20
million
of
the
fourth
quarter
2020
and
with
a
little bit
more
of
CapEx
reaching
in
this
fourth
quarter, €192
million.
If
you
go
to
slide
9,
here,
we
are
going
in
detail
on
every
single
market
and
we
are
trying
to
outline
what
has
been
our
performance
compared
with
revenues
compared
with
the
market.
Overall,
this
outperformance
means
that
we
have
been
able
to
do
8.1%
more
than
the
market.
The
market
has
grown
by
3.1%
and
we
have
grown
11.2%
in
FX
constant.
But
it's
true
that
this
outperformance
could
have
reached
11.8%
if
we
are
talking
on a
weighted
basis.
We
have
done
this
overperformance
in
each
of
the
geographies.
For
instance,
in
Europe,
we
had
slight
positive
sales,
but
the
market
had
a
very
severe
decline.
But
we
had
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(00:07:46) outperformance
in
the
case
of
Eastern
Europe,
16%
growth
when
the
market
was
basically
flat.
Good
performance
both
in
Asia,
in
Mercosur,
and
in
NAFTA.
So,
if
we move
to
the
slide
number
10,
trying
to
have
a
kind
of
wider
perspective.
I
think
as
we
guided
and
as
we
mentioned
in
our
Capital
Markets
Day
last
year,
we
have
had
a
period
up
to
2019
that
[indiscernible]
(00:08:14)
for
us
a
kind
of
high
growth
period,
a
time
that
we
were
able
to boost
our turnover
by
€1
billion
even
if
the
market
was
already
declining 2018
and
2019.
We
were
able
to
increase
the
amount
of
employees
worldwide
basis
which
is
more
than
40,000 employees.
We
had
cumulative
investment
in
this
period
of
€2.5
billion
and
adding
to
our
footprint
17
new
greenfield
operations.
It's
true
that
in
2021,
we
had
some
stabilization
and
structural
changes,
of
course within
a
new
auto
production
market,
new
scenario
with 12
million vehicles
less
in
2021
in
comparison
with
2019.
We
have
been
able
to
have
the
implementation
of
a
very
aggressive
Transformation
Plan
which
means
we
have
been
able
to
reduce
our
fixed
cost.
We
have
been
able
to
stabilize
our
industrial
operations.
We
are
very
focused
in
CapEx
moderation
because
we
already
have
a
very
solid
asset
and,
of
course,
focused
in
a
very
important
work
around
our
working
capital.
With
all
this,
we
have
been
able
to
end
up
this
2021 with
12.3%
margin
of
EBITDA.
And
already,
we
have
been
able
to
tackle
part
of
the
inflation
that
we
have
suffered
in
the
second
half 2021.
For
2022,
I
think
clearly,
we
have
improved
our
starting
point.
We
have
clearly
consolidated
profitability
level,
and
the
intention
is
to
keep
it
going
in
that
direction,
focusing
in
profitability
and
also
free
cash
flow.
And
of
course,
trying
to
be
able to
continue the
transformation
that
we
started
in
2020, and
now
we
are
really moving
on
and
trying
to
really
move
and
improve
the
culture
of
Gestamp
for
the
future
through
the
ATENEA
Plan.
And
of
course,
we
will
be
able
in
a
position
to
tackle
the
new
opportunities
in
the
market.
And
just
to
slide
11,
to end
this
part
of
the
presentation,
in
terms
of
net
profit,
we
in
our
Capital
Markets
Day,
we
mentioned
that
we
were
going
to
focus
in
the
net
profit,
and
we
have
shown
that.
This
year,
we
have
been
able
to
generate
a
net
profit
of
€155
million
which
I
think
is
very
relevant.
We
have
been
able
to
improve
our
EBITDA
margin.
We
have
been
able
to
reduce,
in
absolute
terms,
our
net
financial
expenses.
We
have
been
also
buying
and
integrating
some
minority
positions
we
have
acquired.
And
also,
we
have
improved
our
tax
management.
So,
that
means
that
for
this
year,
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
come
back
paying
dividends in
the
half
of
the
full
year
2021.
We
will
pay 30%
of
the
net
profit
of
2021,
and
that
will
represent
€47
million.
That
means
that
we
would
come
back
to
our
policy
of
30%
payout
of
dividends.
And
it's
true
that
we
only
have
missed
once,
which
was
the
second
payment
of
the
dividend
related
to
the
year
2019
because
that
was
to
be
paid
in
the
first
half
of 2020,
and
we
assume
that
it
was
our
responsibility
not
to
do
so.
And
with
this,
now,
I
hand
it
over
to
Alvaro.
A
Alvaro Bachiller
Perfect.
Thank
you,
Paco.
I
will
start
the
financial
section
by
providing
a
few
highlights
in
our
revenue
and
EBITDA
performance
on
a
regional
basis.
During
2021,
we
have
outperformed
the
market
at
the
revenue
level
in
each
of
the
regions
that
we
are
present
in.
We
have
also
seen
an
EBITDA
margin
expansion
versus
2020
across
all
our
geographies.
Western
Europe
is
the
region
which
has
been
the
most
impacted
by
the
semiconductor
shortages.
But
despite
this,
we
have
managed
to
outperform
the
market
by
10%
and,
most
importantly,
we
have
expanded
our
margin
to
10.2%
despite
the
volatility
in
production
schedules
which
always
makes
it
harder
to
adjust
your
cost
base.
In
Eastern
Europe,
we
have
experienced
strong
above-market
growth
as
a
result
of
a
beneficial
OEM
mix
and
a
strong
performance
in
our
joint
venture
in
Turkey.
This
good
performance
at
the
revenue
level
was
accompanied
by
strong
profitability
levels
reaching
18.3%
in
the
region.
In
NAFTA,
both
the
US
and
Mexico
have
performed
well
against
the
market
and
with
margin
expansion
in
both
countries,
especially
in
the
US,
leading
to
an
overall
margin
of
10.9%.
Mercosur
has
seen
a
significant
volume
recovery
with
a
30%
market
outperformance,
with
a
strong
recovery
of
Argentina
which
has
almost
doubled
its
revenue
figure
versus
2020
and
also
a
recovery
in
Brazil.
Profitability
has
also
recovered
strongly
from
2.4%
in
2020
to
11.4%
in
2021
driven
by
both
regions.
Lastly,
Asia
has
seen
double-digit
growth
versus
2020
mainly
concentrated
in
China
and
India.
Our
profitability
level
for
the
regions
stood
at
14.4%
which
now
includes
the
high
contribution
from
our
joint
venture.
We
have
also
seen
a
good
improvement
in
margins
in
India.
Overall,
a
very
good
performance
at
the
group
level
on
both
the
top
line
and
EBITDA
margin
which
at
12.3%
is
above
2019
levels
of
11.8%
despite
considerably
lower
auto
production
volumes.
Now,
moving
on to
CapEx
on
slide
14,
we
have
continued
to
moderate
our
capital
expenditure
during
2021,
meeting
our
revised
guidance
of
being
at
a
ratio
of
CapEx-to-sales
of
around
6.5%.
I
think
it's
important
to
highlight
that
our
initial
guidance
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
was
to
be
around
7%
and
we
then
revised
this
downwards
in
July
to
6.5%.
Hence,
we
have
met
our
revised
targets
despite
a
more
challenging
environment
which
has
reduced
our
top
line
versus
our
initial
expectations
which
makes meeting
the ratio-driven
guidance
even
more
ambitious.
Our
total
CapEx
for
2021
amounted
to
€531
million,
which
is
almost €30
million
less
than
during
2020. We
have
managed
to
maintain
our
current
topics
€241
million,
which
is
3%
of
sales,
which
compares
with
3.5%
in
2020.
Our
gross
CapEx,
mainly
plant
expansion,
stood
at
€188
million
or
2.3%
of
sales.
Intangible
CapEx
stood
at
€95
million
or
1.2%
of
sales,
which
is
mainly
linked
to
R&D
spending.
We
continue
to
work
closely
with
our
customers
on
new
projects
with
a
strong
focus
on
electric
vehicles.
During
2021,
out
of
the
€429
million
of
tangible
CapEx,
which
includes
recurrent
CapEx
and
growth
CapEx,
more
than
40%
was
related
to
EV
projects.
And
out
of
this
figure,
almost
one-third
was
related
to
battery
box
projects.
On
slide
15, we
have
an
overview
of
our
free
cash
flow
generation
during
2021.
It
is
important
to
go
over
some
of
our
recent
history
to
understand
how
our
free cash
flow
generation
profile
has
changed
over
the
years.
Up
to
2019,
we
have
undergone
a
high
investment
period
with
the
aim
of
capturing
very
attractive
opportunities
with
OEMs.
This,
for
example,
has
meant
that
from
2017
to
2019,
we
had
a
cumulative
€1.3
billion
of
growth
CapEx,
which
was
negatively
impacting
our
free
cash
flow
or
net
debt
position
without
the
full
positive
impact
on
EBITDA.
We
have
an
approximate
three-year
ramp-up
period
until
we
reach
full
production
in
the
projects.
And
normally,
in
year
one,
we
have
a
negative
impact
as
the
full
cost
structure's
in
place
but
with
very
low
volumes. Hence,
we
have the
full impact
on free
cash flow
on
net
debt
on
day
one
but
the
positive
EBITDA
impact
has
a
time
lag.
This
amount
has
not come
down
as
a
result
of
our
CapEx
moderation.
From
2019
to
2021,
cumulative
growth
CapEx
stood
at
€686
million
which
is
approximately
50%
of
the
cumulative
growth
CapEx
from
2017
to
2019.
The
investments
into
new
projects
have
allowed
us
to
strengthen
our
strategic
position
with
customers
and
is
now
positively
impacting
our
EBITDA
which
enriches
our
free
cash
flow
generation
profiles.
The
ramp
up
of
projects
is
improving
the
group's
,profitability
strengthening
our
EBITDA
in
absolute terms
which together
with
our
CapEx
moderation
and
active
working
capital
management
policies
has
led
to
a
strong
free
cash
flow
generation
over
the last
two
years,
generating
more
than
€500 million.
In
2021,
we
have
generated
€248
million
of
free
cash
flow,
excluding
dividends
and
acquisitions
of
minorities.
Now
that
we have
covered
our
shift
to
free
cash
flow
generation,
on
slide
16,
we
want
to
focus
on
the
strong
deleveraging
path
that
we
have
undergone
since
2019.
Our
net
financial
debt
has
come
down
by
€456
million
since
2019
from
€2.7
billion
to
€2.3
billion
or
€1.9
billion
excluding IFRS
16.
Our
leverage
ratio
has
significantly
improved.
And
as
of
December
2021,
our
leverage
stood
at
2.3
times
on
a
reported
basis
and
2
times
excluding
IFRS
16.
This
level
is
in
line
with
our
mid-term
expectations
that
we
had
at
the
time
of
the
IPO.
We
continue
to
actively
manage
our
capital
structure.
And
as
you
know
in
May
2021,
we
repurchased
our €500
million
2023
bond.
This
has
allowed
us
to
extend
our
approximately
€1 billion
syndicated
loan
facility
from
2023
to
2025.
This
is
part
of
our
strategy
of
returning
to
a
more normalized
level of
liquidity
after
a
period
of uncertainty
especially
in
2020.
Our
current
liquidity
of
€2.3
billion,
out
of
which
€1.5
billion
in
cash,
comfortably
covers
our
maturities
for
the
next
three
years.
We
think
that
our
current
capital
structure
maturity
profile
is
well-balanced,
but
we
continue
to
actively
monitor
the
market
with
the
aim
of
enhancing
our
maturity
profile
as
well
as
improving
our
financial
costs.
Now,
let
me
hand
over
the
presentation
back
to
Executive
Chairman
for
the
final
section.
F
Francisco José Riberas Mera
Executive Chairman, Gestamp Automoción SA
Okay.
Thank
you,
Alvaro.
If
you move
to
the
slide 18,
I
have
here
presented
the
– what
we
already
present
in
the
Capital
Market
Day
which
took
place
in
June
2021.
And
we
provide
that
same
kind
of
guidance
for
2022.
I
think
at
that
time
we
emphasized
that
we
work
on
our
people
moving
in
trying
to
control
our
fixed
cost
and
moving
on
in
the
direction
of
stabilizing
all
the
industrial
operations
with
a
clear
focus
in
the
improvement
around
Industry
4.0
and,
of
course,
moving
along
with
the
ATENEA
Plan.
But
it's
also
true
that,
at
that
time,
these
guidance
were
based
in
a
kind
of
market
volumes
that
we
were
expecting
in
2022 to
be
at
the
level
of
the
volumes
we
have
been
in
2019
in
terms
of
–
based
on
manufacturing
[indiscernible]
(00:19:03) the
kind
of
normal
scenario
around
raw
materials
and
inflation.
In
fact,
if
you
move
to
slide
19,
I
think
the
reality
for
2022
is
going
to
be
totally
different
than
the
one
we
expected
one
year
ago.
In
terms
of
global
manufacturing,
what
is
now
expected
to
happen
in
the
full
year
2022
until
now
is
that
this
production
could
be
at
the
levels
of
€84
million
when
we
were
considering
in
the
Capital
Market
Day
in
June
last
year.
And
this
quarter
seem
to
be
at
a
level
of
€89.7
million.
It's
true
that
progressively the
market is recovering
from
the crisis
of semiconductor.
We've
already
seen.
We've
already observed
a
kind
of
recovery
in
the
months
of
November
and
December
last
year
as
a
result
of
improving
even
though
there
is
uncertainties
around
it.
And
of
course,
by
2023,
we
feel
that
it's
going
to
be
a
recovery.
And
by
2023,
we
could
be
able
to
come
back
to
the
levels
that
we
had
already
in
2019.
And
of
course,
this
growth
is
not
going
to be
the
same
kind
of
growth.
It's
going
to
be
a
different
material
because
it's
going
to
be
much
more
content
of
electrical
vehicles
including
both
[indiscernible]
(00:20:13)
vehicles
and
[indiscernible]
(00:20:14)
If
we
move
to
slide
20,
also,
at
that
time,
the
Capital
Market
Day,
we
were
not
able
to
really
manage
what
was
going
to
be
the
evolution
of
the
steel
prices.
The
reality
is
that
the spot
steel
prices
during
2021
suffered
an
extraordinary
increase
during
the
whole
year.
But
at
that
kind
of
the
prices
of
the
steel,
which
were
for
the
open
market,
were
basically
stable
because
there
are
annual
negotiations.
So,
right
now,
what
is
going to
happen
is
that
in
2022
is
going
to
be
a
very
important
jump
in
the
steel
prices.
We,
of
course,
have
all
the
mechanisms
in
place
to
do
a
perfect
pass-through
in
terms
of
absolute
terms,
but,
of
course,
it's
going
to
be
some
kind
of
mathematical
impact
in
our
percentage
of
margins.
This
impact
will
be
different
in
different
regions.
Probably, it's
going
to be
more
in
areas
like
Europe
and
probably
less
because
we
have
already
suffered
part
of
this
impact
in
areas such
as
US
or
maybe
Asia.
And
of
course,
we
are
already
suffering
and
we
will
suffer
a
very
important
inflationary topics.
Of
course,
I'm
not
right
now
taking
into
consideration
what
would
be
the
impact
of
the
crisis
we
started
to
see
and
to
analyze
during
last
week.
But,
of
course,
there
is
already
some
inflationary
pressures
in
energy,
labor,
cost
and other
topics.
So,
with
all
these
in
mind,
in
the
slide
21,
we
are
talking
about
the
guidance
for
2022.
And
basically,
we
are
doing
essentially
restating
the
guidance
that
we
already
provided
last
year.
In
terms
of
revenues,
we
are
guiding
now,
we
guided
before,
and
it
seems
to
be
the
performance.
In
this
case,
as
far
as
is
going
to
be,
this
kind
of
extraordinary
increase
of
the
price
of
the
raw
material
of
the
steel
prices,
we
believe
that
this
mid-single
digit,
we
need
to
add
an
additional
10%
to
15%
growth,
which
is
going
to
be
just
the
mathematic
impact
of
the
first
two
of
the
increase
of
the
steel
prices.
In
terms
of
EBITDA
margins,
we
are
guiding
from
a
margin
of 12.5%
to
13%.
By
doing
that,
we
are
offsetting
less
volumes,
as
I
mentioned,
we
are
considering
€84
million
rather
than
€89 million
that
we
considered
last
year,
and
offsetting
a
very
important
part
of
the
inflation.
So
we
are
giving
us
some
kind
of
room
in
order
to
be
able
to
do
it.
But
in
terms
of
the
mathematical
impact
of
this
particular
of
the
steel
prices,
could
be
a
kind
of
impact
in
terms
of
margin
of
EBITDA
of 150
basis
points
to
200 basis
points.
In
any
case,
what
is
important
that,
in
absolute
terms,
we
are preserving
what
we
were
guiding
last
year.
So
that
means
that
our
commitment
this
year,
assuming
that
the
environment
is
not
going
to
suffer
dramatic
changes
for
the
next
month
to
come is that
we
should
be
able
to
increase
our
EBITDA
in
absolute
terms
by
13%
to
15%,
which
means
an
additional
EBITDA
of
€130
million
to
€150 million
comparing
with
EBITDA
2021.
In
terms
of
CapEx,
as
we
mentioned
already
last
year,
our
CapEx
will
be
under
the limit
of
7%
of
revenues,
and
the
free
cash
flows
will
be
more
than
€200
million.
In
this
case,
like
in
previous
year,
assuming
that
that
will
be
excluding
dividends
and
the
acquisitions.
Moving
to
the
slide
22,
I
just
did
not
want
to
mention
– not
to
mention
that
we
are
right
now,
in
a
very
special
opportunity
in
the
growth
on
the
development
of
the
electrical
vehicles. From
one
year
to
another,
the
forecast
from
the
different
consultants
are
giving
us
higher
and
higher
figures
for
[ph]
reviews. (00:24:00)
In
this
case,
for
instance,
you
can
check,
but
for
the
year
2028,
just
in
June
2021,
IHS
were
forecasting
28.7
million
of
units
of
electrical
and
plug-in
hybrids.
Now,
the
same
assumption
is
considered
in
36
million,
so
that
leaves
a
very,
very
important
jump
in
just
in
a
few
months.
And
of
course,
we, in
Gestamp,
feel
very
comfortable
around
what
is
going
on
with
electrical
vehicles
because
our
technological
expertise
is
to
provide
enough
many
opportunities
just
to
improve
the
system
part
that
we
have.
But
we
have
also
a
lot
of
opportunities
coming
from
a
new
content
around
the
battery
systems,
the
battery
boxes,
and
other
parts.
Don't
forget
that,
as
Alvaro
has
explained
before,
just
this
year,
30%
of
our
CapEx
has
been
directed
to
battery
boxes.
There
are
going
to be
new
players,
special
pure
EV
players
which are
going
to
grow,
and
we
can
have
a very good
exposure
to
them.
And
of
course,
this
is
a
new
arena
around
the
case
and
the
new
players
is
going
to
represent
an
increase
in
outsourcing
for
suppliers
like
us.
So
we
see
a
lot
of
opportunities
and
we don't
forget
that
we
need
to
be
very
strict
in
trying
to
focus
in
efficiency
and
profitability and
debt.
But
of
course,
we
have
a
very
important
platform,
solid
platform
to
address
opportunities
in
the
market.
Moving
to
slide
23,
this
year
has
been –
2021
has
been
also a
very
active
year
for
us
in
terms
of
our
strategy
and
our
long-term
strategy
around
ESG.
And
we
have
been
able
to
do
a
lot
of
different
initiatives.
Just
as
a
reminder,
we
have
been
able
to
sign
a
very
important
PPA
agreement
with
Naturgy,
so
that
we
provide
that
all
our
plant
in
Spain
will
use
clean
steel
starting
from
this
year
or
100 years
in
a
row.
We
have
been
the
first
Tier
1
supplier
being
able
to
buy
in
this
great
[indiscernible]
(00:25:55)
via
the
certificates
for
green
steel.
We
have
also
joined
the
[ph]
code
or (00:26:00)
in
order
to
be
able
to
expand
the
assets
to
computer
science
in
the
schools.
We
have
also
signed
an
agreement
with
the
company
POWEN
to
install
solar
panels
in
all
– in
22
of
our
plants
in
Spain
and
Portugal
in
order
to
improve
our
Scope
1
and
2
CO2
emissions.
We
have
of
course
started
the
Gestamp
ESG
Academy,
so
that
means
that
mandatory
all
of
our
employees
will
have
the
education
of
specific
ESG
as
soon
as
possible.
And
then
we
have
also
the
first group
in
the
automotive
sector
which
has
been
certified
by
AENOR,
as a
zero
waste
certificate.
So just
to
end
up
in
slide
24,
closing
remarks,
I
think
clearly
we
have
been
able
to
deliver
in
2021
in
a
very,
very
challenging
year.
We
have
been
able
to
address
growth
to
reduce
our
debt
to
generate
free
cash
flow
and
increase
our
margin
of
EBITDA
and
at
the
same
time,
we
have
preserve
our
position
and
with
the
customers.
This
focus
in
profitability
and
free
cash
flow
is
going
to
keep
– we will
keep
on
doing
that
in
2022.
We
are
already
moving
on
in
the
idea
of
this
new
culture
and
inter-formation
plan
of
the
group.
So
ATENEA
plan
is
ongoing
and
it's
going
to generate
a
lot
of
changes
for
the
next
year
to
come.
In
2022,
as
mentioned,
we
will
continue
with
their
delivery
and
addressing
new
opportunities,
especially
around
the
growth
of
the
electrical
vehicles.
And
I
think
right
now
with
this,
I
conclude
the
presentation
and
of
course,
we
are
now
open
for
your
questions.
Operator
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
the
Q&A
session
starts
now.
[Operator Instructions]
Please
be
informed
that
there
might
be
a
short
silence
while
questions
are
being
registered.
Thank
you.
The
first
question
comes
from
Christoph Laskawi
from
Deutsche
Bank.
Please
go
ahead.
C
Christoph Laskawi
Analyst, Deutsche Bank AG
Good evening.
Thank
you
for
taking
my
questions.
And
also
thank
you
for
elaborating
on
the
steel
impact
in
detail.
The
first
question
will
be
in
relation
to
that
as
well.
Could
you
comment,
if
possible,
at
all
at
this
stage
on
the
phasing
of
the
steel
impact?
When
we
look
at
the
revenues,
is
it
more
H2
or
H1
weighted
and
then
on
earnings
– I
mean,
for
the
full
year,
at
[indiscernible]
(00:28:23)
there are
no
impact
on
the
absolute
earnings.
But
is
there
a
time
where
you
have
a
lag
impact
in
H1,
for
example,
which
then
will
be
compensated
in
H2
or
is
it
more
or less
covered
already?
And
then
also
related
to
the
high
enrollment,
could
you
give
us an
indication
on
the
working
capital
impact
for
the
year
relating
to
that?
Third
question,
more
related
to
the
current
crisis.
Given
your
production
footprint
in
Eastern
Europe,
do
you
see
any
disruptions
in
the
production
in
Eastern
Europe,
in
the
supply
chain?
And
a
bit
of
a
comment
on
current
callouts
or
current
trading
in
that
regard
would
be
appreciated.
Thank
you.
F
Francisco José Riberas Mera
Executive Chairman, Gestamp Automoción SA
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
questions.
I
think
I
would
try
to
address
the
steel
impact
and
the
crisis
and
probably,
Alvaro,
you
can take
one
on
the
working
capital.
If
you
go
to
the
– if
we
can
go
to
steel
impact,
as
you
know,
we
have
the
agreement
with
our
customers
that
there
is
going
to
be
able
to
pass-through.
And
every
time
we
do
this
agreement
of
pass-through,
no
matter
how
much
time
it
takes
to
find
– reach an
agreement
is
proactive
starting
from
January.
So
we
don't
see
any
problem
coming
from
steel
impact
or
any
differentiation
between
H1
and
H2.
What
is
true
is
that
we
are
still
considering
that
probably
there
could
be
more
problems
around
supply
chain
in
the
first
half
of
the
year
than
in
the
second
one.
Still,
we
need
to
know.
But
so
far
in
terms
of
the
impact
of
the
steel,
we
are
not
considering
any
important
change
between
the
first
half
and
the
second
half.
And
of
course,
the
only
messages
around
what
would
happen
with
supply
chain
and
especially
semiconductors,
and
that
is,
of
course,
addressing
the
current
crisis
that
we
are
talking
about.
It
does
not
mean
a
very
important
disruption.
But
if
we
go
to
the
– what
we
are
– what
is
our assumption today
with
this
crisis
and
disruption,
first
of
all,
I
would
like
to
say
that
we,
in
Gestamp,
we
are
running
operations
in
Russia.
We
don't have
operations
in
Ukraine.
We
are
running
four
operations.
One
of
them
is
the
largest
in Kaluga
and
three
small
ones
between Tolyatti
and Saint Petersburg.
Overall,
last
year,
the
sales
that are
coming
up
from
this
plant
represented
roughly
around
1.3%
of
ourselves,
and
we
have
less
than
500
people
working
in
our
plant
today
in
Russia.
And
so
far,
until
Friday
last
year,
everything
working well.
So
of
course,
this
is
the
kind
of
impact
we
have.
And
then
in
terms
of
other
kind
of
disruptions
that
we
see,
we
don't
have
any
kind
of
specific
problems
for
sales
out
of
our
plant
in
Russia
to
all
the
perimeters.
And
what
we
have
already
seen
is
some
kind
of
problems
starting
to
appear
with
some
players
of
the
– of
some
OEMs,
which
are
based
in
Ukraine
that
is
[indiscernible]
(00:31:22) today
that
some
plants
in
Western
Europe
are
starting
to
stock
but
still the visibility
around
but
still
the
visibility around
what
is
going
to
be
the
severity
of
this
is
not
clear
but
is
not –
it
does
not
seem
to
be
very
severe.
But
still
I
think
it's
very
early
to
address
and
I
just
wanted
to
tell
you
what
is
today
our
current
position
in
Russia
which
I
think
is
significant.
And
maybe,
Alvaro,
you
can
address
one
about
working
capital.
A
Alvaro Bachiller
Thanks.
During
2021,
we
have
successfully
implemented
measures
to
improve
our
working
capital,
which
has
resulted
in
an
inflow
of €100
million
and
a
lot
of
focus
on
the
receivable
side
and
also
reviewing
all
of
the
payment
terms
with
our
own
suppliers
and
then
trying
to
keep
inventories
under
control.
I
think
in
2022,
with
the
sharp
increase
in
raw
materials,
in
theory,
receivables
and
payables
should
more
or
less
be
offsetting
each
other.
And
what
will
be
more
challenging
will
be
on
the
inventory
side.
So,
you
know,
there
is
a
high
likelihood
that
the
working
capital
will
revert
versus
what
we
had
in
2022.
But
we
continue
to
have
a
lot
of
focus
to
try
and
keep
it
as
much
as
possible
under
control.
C
Christoph Laskawi
Analyst, Deutsche Bank AG
Thanks
a lot.
Operator
Thank
you.
Your
next
question
comes
from
Akshat
Kacker
from
JPMorgan.
Please
go
ahead.
A
Akshat Kacker
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities Plc
Thank
you. Akshat
from
JPMorgan. Two
from
my
side,
please.
First
one,
if
you
could
talk
about
the
increasing
inflationary
pressures
that
you're
seeing
from
energy
and
labor.
I
remember
at
the
last
quarterly
call,
you
mentioned
that
this
is
not
a
big
headwind,
as
you
saw
at
that
point.
Is
it
possible
to
quantify
what
are
we
seeing
for
2022
or
probably
2023
as
well?
And
second
was
a
follow
up
on
the
current
geopolitical
situation.
Can
we
talk
about
any
structural
impact
on
the
auto
industry
from
the
situation
in
Russia
and
Ukraine
especially
when
it
comes
to
key
metals
or
materials
for
the
industry
like
aluminum,
palladium
or
platinum?
How
do
you
see
those
kind
of
metals
supply
and
prices
being
impacted?
Thank
you.
F
Francisco José Riberas Mera
Executive Chairman, Gestamp Automoción SA
Okay. Thank
you for
your
questions.
I
think,
of
course,
inflation
is
here,
and
it's
also
something
that
we
have
already
tackled during
the
previous
year.
In
general
terms,
I
would
say
that,
for
many
years,
in
some
specific
countries,
we
are
used
to
this
kind
of
high
inflation
rates,
and
we
have
been
always
a
system
in
order
to
be
able
to
pass
through
part
of
these
problems.
I'm
talking
about
countries
like
Brazil
or
Argentina
or
Mexico
or
even
Turkey
during 2021.
So
we
have
already
a
system
in
place,
and
we
are
able
to
preserve
our
margins.
It's
true
that
2021,
especially
in
areas
like
US,
and
also
in
some
extent
in
Europe,
we
have
had
some
impact
coming
up
from
inflation,
especially,
I
would
say,
that
labor
inflation,
especially
in
areas
like
US
or
even
in
some
countries
of
Eastern
Europe
have
been
already
a
problem.
We
have
been
working
very,
very
hard
in
efficiency
in
order
to
be
able
to
offset
the
increases
in
wages
that
we
have
been
able
to
– that
we
have
suffered.
And
in
fact,
as
you
have
seen
in
our
figures,
we
have
been
able
to
do
it
quite
okay.
For
this
year,
we
are
not –
we
don't
see
any
kind
of
additional
pressure,
a
very similar
pressure
that
we
had
already
in
previous
year
in
US.
But
it's
true
that
now
there
is
some
risk
also
associated
in
Europe
with
the
wages. Still,
it
does
– it's
not
happening,
but
there
is
still
a
pressure
in
place.
And
of
course
we
have
this
pressure
coming
out
from
energy,
from
freight,
and
others
that
we
have
been
able
already
to
tackle
in
some
extent
at
the
end
of
last
year.
And
we
are
having
right
now
all
the
kind
of
efficiency
in
place
in
order
to
be
able
to
offset
this
part
of
the
inflation.
So
that
is
going to
help
us
in
order
to
be
able
to
preserve
our
margins
and
to
be
able
to
tackle
the
inflation,
and
that's
why
it's
not
going
to
allow
us
to
be
able
to
increase
our
margins.
And
concerning
your
second
question,
it's
still
very
early
to
say.
We
as
Gestamp,
we
are
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(00:35:29)
directly
impacted
by
any
kind
of
structural
changes.
As
I
mentioned
already,
our
sales
in
Russia
are
limited, so
that
will
depend
the
kind
of
conflict
that
we'll
have,
whether
it's
going
to be
something
rather
quick
or
not
and
how
many
countries
are
going
to
be
implied.
So
far,
it's true
what
we
mentioned
that
Russia
and
Ukraine
to
some
extent
are
very
important
suppliers
in
terms
of
aluminum
and
steel
and
palladium
and
all
this.
And
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
could
be
an
impact
in
terms
of
prices
and
some
of the
tightness
in
terms
of
deliveries.
But
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
early
to
say
what
is
going
to
be
the
impact
there.
So
far,
I
think
right
now
we
are
trying
to
do
is
taking
care
of
our
people
in
Russia
and
also
taking
care
of
some
Ukrainian
people
that
even
though
we
don't
have
plants
in
Ukraine,
we
do
have
plants
in
close
to
Ukraine in
areas
like
Poland,
in
the
Czech
Republic
or
Slovakia.
And
we
are
right
now
offering
them
the
possibility
to
have
a
legal advice
and
also
the
possibility
to
hire
some
Ukrainian
people
now
that
they
are
suffering
in
such
difficult
conditions.
A
Akshat Kacker
Analyst, JPMorgan Securities Plc
Understood.
Thank
you
so
much.
Operator
Thank
you.
The
next
question
comes
from Francisco
Ruiz
from BNP
Paribas.
Please
go
ahead.
F
Francisco Ruiz Martin
Analyst, Exane BNP Paribas
Buenas tardes.
I
have
two
questions.
The
first
one
is
regarding
how
comfortable
you
are
with
IHS
estimates
for
2022?
I
mean, I remember
that,
I
think
it
was
in
Q3,
you, Paco,
commented
that
while
IHS
was
around
9%
call
your
[indiscernible]
(00:37:11)
something
different,
something
better.
Do
you
have
a
still
the
same
feeling
or
mainly
both
things
have
been
aligned?
And the second
question
was
still
on
the steel
impact.
I
mean,
how
certain
is
this
150
to
200
basis
points
impact?
I
mean,
if
there
is
a
reversion
of
steel
right
now,
could
we
see
a
better
movement
or
this
is
an
annual
thing
that
is
taken
every
January?
Thank
you.
F
Francisco José Riberas Mera
Executive Chairman, Gestamp Automoción SA
Thank
you, Paco,
for
your
questions.
I
think
confirming
the
estimate
for
2022
of HIS, as
I
mentioned
before,
today,
they
are
still
guiding
for 84
million
vehicles.
And
it's
true
that
we
have
always
had
a
different
kind
of
thinking
around
this
forecast.
That
one
is
that
this
forecast,
of
course,
is
independent
of
what
could be
the
impact
of
this
last
crisis
– geopolitical
crisis
around
Ukraine
and
Russia.
I
think
so
far
it's
early
to
address.
But
before
[indiscernible]
(00:38:20)
again
we're
not
taking
that
into
consideration.
I
think,
of
course,
there
are
different
threads
that
the
[indiscernible]
(00:38:27)
have
a
mixed
feeling.
First
of
all,
we
believe
that
84
million
is
still
a
figure
which
is
very
low
compared
with
the
89
million in
2019
and
with
the
95
million
that
we
have
in
2017.
Second
thing,
it's
true
that
due
to
the
problems
of
the
COVID
in
2020
and
the
problems
of
semiconductors
in
2021
is
we
are
kind
of
a
non-satisfied
demand.
And
we
have
seen
that
in
many
different
parameters.
So
there
could
be
a
possibility
that
as
far
as
the
semiconductor
problem
will
be
solved,
this
demand
will
still
be
there.
But,
of
course,
we
are
talking
about
economy.
We
are
going
about,
talking
about
sentiment.
Right
now,
we
don't
know
what
is
going
to
be
the
feeling
of
the
people
in
the
future
whenever
they
are
going
to
buy
or
not a
new
car.
We
believe that
this
is
not
really
a
big
topic. This
kind
of
coming
back
of
this
demand
is
going
to happen,
and
we
would
probably
see
good
volume
for
the
future.
And
you
just
have
to
try
to
understand
what
are
the
commitments
of
different
countries
and
different
carmakers
of
what
is
going
to
be
the
amount
of
electrical
vehicles
that
should
be
in
the
road
for
2030
and
2035.
So,
something
really
needs
to
happen,
but
many
things
need
to
work
in
the
same
direction.
So,
maybe
I'm
not
giving
you
a
very
clear
indication,
but
today
we
have
a
kind
of
mixed feelings.
And
concerning
the
impact
of
steel,
as
mentioned,
we
know,
for
instance,
that
our
estimation
for
Europe
is
there.
[indiscernible]
(00:40:01)
The
agreement
with
steel mills
are done.
Basically,
most of
our
customers
have
also
concluded
their
annual
negotiations.
There
is still
some
of
them
missing,
that's
why
there
is
always
a
margin.
And
we
really
believe
that
this
is
going
to happen
especially
in
Europe.
As
mentioned,
there
are
other
areas
which
are
a
little
bit
more
not
spot
but
a
little
bit
more
short-term
basis, no?
I
think,
for
instance,
in
the
case of Mercosur,
the
movement
happened
a
little
bit
earlier.
Also,
in
Asia
and
also
in
US
[indiscernible]
(00:40:32) there
is
a
specific
resource
system
which
is
not –
the
prices
of
the steel
are
not
moving
themselves
through
the
different
agreement.
Overall,
we
believe
that
the
assumption
that
is
included
in
this
guidance
is
the
correct
one,
and
we believe
that
there
is
going
to
be
this
kind
of
extraordinary
impact
of
the
pass-through
of
the
increase
of
the
steel
prices
in
2022
between
150
to
200 basis
points.
F
Francisco Ruiz Martin
Analyst, Exane BNP Paribas
Thank
you
very
much.
Operator
Thank
you.
The
next
question
comes
from
Victoria
Greer
from
Morgan
Stanley.
Please
go
ahead.
V
Victoria A. Greer
Analyst, Morgan Stanley & Co. International Plc
Good evening.
A
couple
of
questions,
please.
I
wanted
to
ask
you
a
bit
more
about
the
battery
box
businesses
as
you're
spending
CapEx
there.
Yeah,
I
guess
you're
feeling
quite
good
probably
about
your
order
intake.
Can
you
talk
a
bit
about
your
order
intake
for
battery
boxes?
Are
you
seeing
any
new
business
from
your
new
start-up
OEMs
that
are
focused
only
on
BEVs?
And
can
you
talk
a
bit
about
when
we
can
expect
the
CapEx
you're
spending
now
to
come
into
series
production?
And
then,
my
second
question,
just
some
housekeeping
modelling
items,
please,
for
2022.
Could
you
give
us
your
expectations
for
D&A
interest
cost
and
tax
rate
for
2022?
Thanks.
F
Francisco José Riberas Mera
Executive Chairman, Gestamp Automoción SA
Okay.
So,
thanks,
Victoria.
And
concerning
battery
box
here,
we
have
mentioned
in
the
presentation
that
roughly
around
30%
of
the
CapEx
of
2021
has
been
directed
to
the
battery
boxes
and
all
around
the
battery
boxes
because
sometimes,
it's
complete
battery
boxes
and
in
some
cases
we
are
talking
just
about
the
different
parts
of
these
battery
boxes.
The
order
intake
has
been
quite
solid.
Part
of
this
investment
is
related
to
the
order
intake
of
the
previous
year
where
we
already
have
some
kind
of
very
important
nominations you
remember
around
some Volkswagen
platforms
and
also
some Daimler
platforms. For
this
year,
we
have
taken
very
important
nominations
for
pure
EV
players
both
in
US
and
also
in
China.
And
right
now,
we
see
the
kind
of
progress
and
the
kind
of
technology
that
we
are
offering
to
them
is
very
attractive.
So,
I
would
prefer
not
to
give
you
details
but
yes,
the
message is
that
we
are
taking
very
important
business
coming
out
from
pure
EV
players.
And
in
terms
of
sales,
we
already
start
to
see
sales,
relevant
sales
in
2022.
But
we
are
assuming
that
the
peak
in
terms
of
sales
of
these
orders
that
we
have
been
already
nominated
and
that
we
have
already
invested
or
we
are
in
the
moment
to
invest
is
going
to happen
around
2024. Of
course,
what
we
are
planning
is
that
within
2022
and
2023, we
will keep
on
taking
new
nominations
on
battery
boxes
because
our
position
is
quite
solid.
And
maybe
Alvaro, you
can
help
me
with
the
second
one.
A
Alvaro Bachiller
Yeah.
Sure.
On
the
D&A,
I
guess
it's
difficult
to
provide
guidance
on
revenue
figure.
I
think
we're
going
to
see
an
increase
in
absolute
terms
in
D&A
levels
as
a
result
all
of
that
CapEx
that
has
been
coming
in
place.
Then,
on
the
interest
line
cost,
I
think
we'll
try
to
be
at
least
in
the
same
place
as
this
year
and,
if
possible,
a
little
bit
better.
Then,
on
taxes,
I
would
assume
the
same
tax
rate
as
what
we've
had
in
2021.
And
then,
the
minority
outflows,
I
think
if
you
look
at
it
from
a
percentage
of
GDP,
maybe
that
will also
slowly
come
down
to
the
extent
that
we
are
buying
back
minorities.
V
Victoria A. Greer
Analyst, Morgan Stanley & Co. International Plc
Great.
Thank
you
very much.
Operator
Thank
you.
The
next
question
comes
from Álvaro
Lenze
from
Alantra Equities.
Please
go
ahead.
�
Álvaro Lenze
Analyst, Alantra Equities Sociedad de Valores SA
Hi.
Thanks
for
taking
my
questions.
The
first
one
would
be
on
the
guidance,
EBITDA
guidance.
In
absolute
terms,
you're
guiding
for
13%
to
15%
growth.
These
would
compare
to
IHS
estimates
of
9%
growth
in auto
production
plus
your
mid-single-digit
revenue
growth
outperformance
and
maybe
some
additional
margin
increase.
So, I
wanted
to
understand
this,
what's
the
source
of
the
upside
for
margin
improvement
excluding
the
impact
of
the
pass-through
of
raw
material
prices
would
come
from.
Are
you
considering
potential
increase
in
prices
to
offset
the
energy
and
personnel
and
logistics
costs
or
is
this
from
additional
savings
from
the
ATENEA
Plan?
Or
what's
driving
this
flattish
to
potentially
increasing
margin,
again,
excluding
the
raw
material
impact?
The
second
question
would
be
on
the
CapEx
which
seems
to
be
ramping
up
to
circa
7%
of
sales
from
6.5%
this
year,
whether
this
is
due
to
any
specific
projects
or
due
to
just
you
having
been
overly
tightening
the
CapEx
budgets
and
now
returning
to
a
more
normal
level.
And
lastly,
the
margin
in
Turkey
has
surprised
me
positively.
I
know
you
mentioned
good
performance
of
the
JV
in
Turkey,
so
I
don't know
if
you
could
provide
some
more
detail
there.
Thank
you.
F
Francisco José Riberas Mera
Executive Chairman, Gestamp Automoción SA
Okay.
Thanks
for
your
questions, and
I
will
try
to
give
you
more
like
– to
provide
more
data
around
your
three
questions.
In
related
to
the
guidance,
it's
true
that
we
have
tried
to
stay
in
what
should
be,
let's
say,
our
normal
improvement
in
terms
of
margins
for
the
year
2022.
And
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
thought
it
was
convenient
to
give
you
and
to
provide
also
an additional
guidance
in
absolute
terms.
So,
what
we
are
right
now
telling
you
is
that
even if
everything
is
going
to happen,
we
should
be
able
to
generate
an
EBITDA
which
is
13%
or
15%
higher
in
absolute
terms
than
the
one
that
we
generated
in
2021.
So,
that
basically
will
mean
that
this
market
that
we
are
talking
about
is
that
we
are
assuming
in
line
with HIS that
the
global
production
is
going
to
be
something
around
9%,
and
always
are
guiding
for
a
kind
of
mid-single-digit
outperformance
out
of
that.
And
what
we
are
going to
be
able
to
do
is
basically
to
try
to
be
able
to
offset the
lower
volumes
that
we
are
going to
have
in
2022
compared
with
the
volumes
that
we
were
expecting
at
the
Capital
Markets
Day
last
year,
and
also
that
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
offset
the
important
pressure
coming
out
from
inflation.
So,
we
are
lucky
to
be
able
to
do
that.
We
should
be
able
to
reach
this
13%,
but
we
want
to
have
a
little
bit
of
space
in
order
to
be
able
to
understand
and
to
be
able
to address if
everything
of
the
inflation
that
we
are
expecting,
we
should
be
able
to
accept
with
the
kind of
improvements
we
are
doing
with
the
ATENEA,
with
Industry
4.0
and
everything.
Today,
clearly,
our
target
is
to
really
go
for
that,
but
the
challenge
is
much
higher
than
the
one
we
saw
last
year
because,
again,
inflation
and
volumes
are
much
more
challenging
than
we
expected
in
the
Capital
Markets
Day
last
year.
Regarding
CapEx,
it's
true
that
we
are
ramping
up
a
little
bit.
Don't forget
that
this
CapEx
in
terms
of
CapEx
to
sales
is
lower
than
the
one
we
had
in
the
period
between 2017
and
2019.
In
any
case,
it's
related
to
a
specific project.
Anytime
we
talk
about
CapEx,
we
have
let's
say a
kind
of
recurring
CapEx
and a
growth
CapEx.
So,
part
of
this
CapEx
or a
very important
part
of
this
CapEx
is
to
projects
that
are already
awarded
or
projects
we
are
intending
to
be
awarded
within
this
year,
so
that
is
the
idea.
It's
not
any
kind
of
reverse
because as
I
think
we
have
explained
in
the
last
three
meetings,
is
that
due
to
the
kind
of
CapEx
growth
that
we
did
in
the
period
before
and
due
to
the
low
volume
that
we
still see
in
the
market,
we
have
some
kind
of
capacity
available
in order
to
be
able
to
grow
without
doing
CapEx
in
this
kind
of
traditional
technologies
we
have
already in
Spain. We
have
presence
and
we
are
basically
investing
in
some
welding
facilities.
And
basically,
what
we
are
trying
to
do
is
have
the
growth
CapEx
to
be
directed
to
this
kind
of
new
opportunities,
and EV and
battery
boxes
very
important
part
of
it.
So,
it's
not
a
reverse.
Now,
we
have
a
very good
position
and
we
are
taking
advantage
to
be
able
to
capture
a
very
important
part
of
the
market
which
is
going
to
grow
and
is
going
to
be
very profitable.
And
regarding
Turkey,
there
is
nothing
much
to
say.
I
think
we
have
a
very
good
plant
running
in
Turkey.
We
are
doing
a
very
important
outperformance.
For
instance,
I would
say
that
we
have
seen
a
very
extraordinary
performance
from
our
operations
in
Turkey.
They
have
been
able,
in
a
difficult
scenario,
to
really be
able
to
achieve
from
customers
and
to
be
able
to
have
a
kind
of
improvement
of
their
prices
to
be
able
to
compensate
inflation
and
all
the
programs
that
we
have
seen
in
Turkey,
and
we
have
been
able
to
generate
a
very solid
amount
of
millions
of
EBITDA
in
euros,
not
in
Turkish
lira.
So,
I
think
this
is
one
case.
And
of
course,
even
though
volumes
in
our
Polish
plant
has
been
a
little bit
lower
in
some
extent,
we
have
been
able
to
perform
very
well
and
also
in
Slovakia
and
Czech
Republic. We
have
also
performed
quite
well
in
our
Hungarian
plant.
For
real,
I
feel
very
much
satisfied
with what
has
been
the
performance
of
our
plants
in
Eastern
Europe.
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Álvaro Lenze
Analyst, Alantra Equities Sociedad de Valores SA
Thank
you
very
much.
Operator
Thank
you. Ladies
and
gentlemen,
we
have
reached
the
end
of
our
Q&A
session.
Dear
speakers,
back
to
you.
A
Alvaro Bachiller
Thank
you
very much
for
joining
our
full
year
2021
results
presentation,
and
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
the
IR
team if
you
have
any
additional
questions.
Hello. Good afternoon and thank you for joining Gestamp's Full Year 2021 Results Presentation. I am Alvaro Bachiller, Director of Corporate Controlling and Investor Relations. Before proceeding, let me point you to the disclaimer on slide 2 of the presentation that has been posted on our website and that sets out the legal framework under which this presentation must be considered. The conference call will be led by our Executive Chairman, Mr. Riberas, and myself. Ana Fuentes, Director of Investor Relations, is also attending the call with us. At the end of the conference, we will open up for Q&A.
Now, let me turn over the call to our Executive Chairman.
Good afternoon. Thanks for joining us in this conference call in which we will present the full year results for 2021 and also we will provide our guidance for 2022. I'll just give a summary that I think we have been able to obtain very solid results in 2021 despite a very challenging auto market. I think we have been able to react fast, continuing our efforts during the 2020 year, and this has been – has allow us to meet quite comfortable the guidance that we have in the beginning of last year.
In concrete, specifically, we have been able to outperform in terms of our revenues by 8.1%, the global auto production of commercial light vehicles. In terms of EBITDA margin, we have been able to reach 12.3% which is much better than what we did in 2020. And also, it's higher than the one we had in 2019 with much lower volumes. We have been able to have a free cash flow generation this year of €248 million. And altogether with 2020, we have generated €524 million. And we have also been able to come back to the net income, allowing us this year to pay the dividend against 2021 year results.
If we move to the slide 5, here, we are basically trying to explain that we have been able to improve or to increase our profitability in a year which has been quite negative in terms of volumes. You will see the chart. In fact, in 2021, the global manufacturing of light vehicles have reached 77.1 million, which is 9%, almost 9% less than initial forecast in the beginning of the year and is substantially lower than the 89 million vehicles which were produced in 2019. But not only the volumes in absolute terms, but also the volatility in terms of the production schemes has also been very difficult to manage in our plant and, of course, the impact of the different variants around COVID.
In this environment, quite difficult, we have been able to generate a 12.3% margin of EBITDA which 2.1% margin expansion versus 2020, with only 3% more in terms of production of vehicles. And we have also improved, as I mentioned, 0.5% in terms of EBITDA margin compared with 2019 with 13% lower auto market production. I think clearly that we have been able to consolidate the kind of very important step we did in 2020 around our fixed cost structure and also around our efficiency measures and stability of our operations. And also, we have been able to offset part of the inflationary pressure we have, especially in the second half of 2021, in some of our geographies.
Moving to the slide 6, I think as I mentioned in the beginning, we have been able to meet clearly and improved our guidance for 2021. In fact, we did an improvement of the guidance in July. In fact, we have reduced our target in terms of CapEx from 7% that we guided in February to 6.5% revenues. And in terms of net debt, we increased from a debt that we wanted have of €12 billion, excluding IFRS, to a net reduction of more than €100 million for the full year 2020. At the end of the day, the final results for 2021, we have been able to outperform in terms of revenue the market by 8.1%. In terms of EBITDA margin, we have been able to obtain a 12.3% EBITDA margin with much less volume. In terms of CapEx, we have a 6% CapEx to sales with less revenues. And we have been able to reduce our debt with €190 million which is in terms of IFRS, including IFRS 16, a net reduction of €219 million.
Moving to the slide 7, here, we have all the figures concerning the financial year 2021. In terms of revenues, as mentioned, almost €8.1 billion which is an increase of 8.5% compared with the previous year, €11.2 billion at constant FX; an EBITDA of €998 million which means a very important improvement, 31.7% compared with the previous year; EBITDA margin of 12.3%; EBIT of €413 million compared with €158 million in the year 2020; a net income of €155 million compared with a negative or the losses of €71 million in 2020; with a CapEx of €531 million even lower than the one we have in 2020; with a net debt of €2.266 billion, which represents a reduction compared with the previous year of €219 million.
In the slide 8, we have the financial performance for the fourth quarter. This quarter, we have our total revenue of €2.214 billion, a little bit less than the one we had in the fourth quarter 2020 and basically impacted by a full October. But we have been able to generate in absolute terms the same EBITDA of €296 million, which means that our EBITDA margin has grown from 12.5% in the fourth quarter 2020 to 13.4% in this last quarter. EBIT, same, €140 million than in the previous year. And net income of €55 million which compare with the €20 million of the fourth quarter 2020 and with a little bit more of CapEx reaching in this fourth quarter, €192 million.
If you go to slide 9, here, we are going in detail on every single market and we are trying to outline what has been our performance compared with revenues compared with the market. Overall, this outperformance means that we have been able to do 8.1% more than the market. The market has grown by 3.1% and we have grown 11.2% in FX constant. But it's true that this outperformance could have reached 11.8% if we are talking on a weighted basis. We have done this overperformance in each of the geographies. For instance, in Europe, we had slight positive sales, but the market had a very severe decline. But we had [indiscernible] (00:07:46) outperformance in the case of Eastern Europe, 16% growth when the market was basically flat. Good performance both in Asia, in Mercosur, and in NAFTA.
So, if we move to the slide number 10, trying to have a kind of wider perspective. I think as we guided and as we mentioned in our Capital Markets Day last year, we have had a period up to 2019 that [indiscernible] (00:08:14) for us a kind of high growth period, a time that we were able to boost our turnover by €1 billion even if the market was already declining 2018 and 2019. We were able to increase the amount of employees worldwide basis which is more than 40,000 employees. We had cumulative investment in this period of €2.5 billion and adding to our footprint 17 new greenfield operations. It's true that in 2021, we had some stabilization and structural changes, of course within a new auto production market, new scenario with 12 million vehicles less in 2021 in comparison with 2019. We have been able to have the implementation of a very aggressive Transformation Plan which means we have been able to reduce our fixed cost. We have been able to stabilize our industrial operations. We are very focused in CapEx moderation because we already have a very solid asset and, of course, focused in a very important work around our working capital.
With all this, we have been able to end up this 2021 with 12.3% margin of EBITDA. And already, we have been able to tackle part of the inflation that we have suffered in the second half 2021. For 2022, I think clearly, we have improved our starting point. We have clearly consolidated profitability level, and the intention is to keep it going in that direction, focusing in profitability and also free cash flow. And of course, trying to be able to continue the transformation that we started in 2020, and now we are really moving on and trying to really move and improve the culture of Gestamp for the future through the ATENEA Plan. And of course, we will be able in a position to tackle the new opportunities in the market.
And just to slide 11, to end this part of the presentation, in terms of net profit, we in our Capital Markets Day, we mentioned that we were going to focus in the net profit, and we have shown that. This year, we have been able to generate a net profit of €155 million which I think is very relevant. We have been able to improve our EBITDA margin. We have been able to reduce, in absolute terms, our net financial expenses. We have been also buying and integrating some minority positions we have acquired. And also, we have improved our tax management. So, that means that for this year, we are going to be able to come back paying dividends in the half of the full year 2021. We will pay 30% of the net profit of 2021, and that will represent €47 million. That means that we would come back to our policy of 30% payout of dividends. And it's true that we only have missed once, which was the second payment of the dividend related to the year 2019 because that was to be paid in the first half of 2020, and we assume that it was our responsibility not to do so.
And with this, now, I hand it over to Alvaro.
Perfect. Thank you, Paco. I will start the financial section by providing a few highlights in our revenue and EBITDA performance on a regional basis. During 2021, we have outperformed the market at the revenue level in each of the regions that we are present in. We have also seen an EBITDA margin expansion versus 2020 across all our geographies. Western Europe is the region which has been the most impacted by the semiconductor shortages. But despite this, we have managed to outperform the market by 10% and, most importantly, we have expanded our margin to 10.2% despite the volatility in production schedules which always makes it harder to adjust your cost base. In Eastern Europe, we have experienced strong above-market growth as a result of a beneficial OEM mix and a strong performance in our joint venture in Turkey. This good performance at the revenue level was accompanied by strong profitability levels reaching 18.3% in the region.
In NAFTA, both the US and Mexico have performed well against the market and with margin expansion in both countries, especially in the US, leading to an overall margin of 10.9%. Mercosur has seen a significant volume recovery with a 30% market outperformance, with a strong recovery of Argentina which has almost doubled its revenue figure versus 2020 and also a recovery in Brazil. Profitability has also recovered strongly from 2.4% in 2020 to 11.4% in 2021 driven by both regions. Lastly, Asia has seen double-digit growth versus 2020 mainly concentrated in China and India. Our profitability level for the regions stood at 14.4% which now includes the high contribution from our joint venture. We have also seen a good improvement in margins in India. Overall, a very good performance at the group level on both the top line and EBITDA margin which at 12.3% is above 2019 levels of 11.8% despite considerably lower auto production volumes.
Now, moving on to CapEx on slide 14, we have continued to moderate our capital expenditure during 2021, meeting our revised guidance of being at a ratio of CapEx-to-sales of around 6.5%. I think it's important to highlight that our initial guidance at the beginning of the year was to be around 7% and we then revised this downwards in July to 6.5%. Hence, we have met our revised targets despite a more challenging environment which has reduced our top line versus our initial expectations which makes meeting the ratio-driven guidance even more ambitious.
Our total CapEx for 2021 amounted to €531 million, which is almost €30 million less than during 2020. We have managed to maintain our current topics €241 million, which is 3% of sales, which compares with 3.5% in 2020. Our gross CapEx, mainly plant expansion, stood at €188 million or 2.3% of sales. Intangible CapEx stood at €95 million or 1.2% of sales, which is mainly linked to R&D spending. We continue to work closely with our customers on new projects with a strong focus on electric vehicles.
During 2021, out of the €429 million of tangible CapEx, which includes recurrent CapEx and growth CapEx, more than 40% was related to EV projects. And out of this figure, almost one-third was related to battery box projects.
On slide 15, we have an overview of our free cash flow generation during 2021. It is important to go over some of our recent history to understand how our free cash flow generation profile has changed over the years. Up to 2019, we have undergone a high investment period with the aim of capturing very attractive opportunities with OEMs. This, for example, has meant that from 2017 to 2019, we had a cumulative €1.3 billion of growth CapEx, which was negatively impacting our free cash flow or net debt position without the full positive impact on EBITDA.
We have an approximate three-year ramp-up period until we reach full production in the projects. And normally, in year one, we have a negative impact as the full cost structure's in place but with very low volumes. Hence, we have the full impact on free cash flow on net debt on day one but the positive EBITDA impact has a time lag. This amount has not come down as a result of our CapEx moderation. From 2019 to 2021, cumulative growth CapEx stood at €686 million which is approximately 50% of the cumulative growth CapEx from 2017 to 2019.
The investments into new projects have allowed us to strengthen our strategic position with customers and is now positively impacting our EBITDA which enriches our free cash flow generation profiles. The ramp up of projects is improving the group's ,profitability strengthening our EBITDA in absolute terms which together with our CapEx moderation and active working capital management policies has led to a strong free cash flow generation over the last two years, generating more than €500 million. In 2021, we have generated €248 million of free cash flow, excluding dividends and acquisitions of minorities.
Now that we have covered our shift to free cash flow generation, on slide 16, we want to focus on the strong deleveraging path that we have undergone since 2019. Our net financial debt has come down by €456 million since 2019 from €2.7 billion to €2.3 billion or €1.9 billion excluding IFRS 16. Our leverage ratio has significantly improved. And as of December 2021, our leverage stood at 2.3 times on a reported basis and 2 times excluding IFRS 16. This level is in line with our mid-term expectations that we had at the time of the IPO.
We continue to actively manage our capital structure. And as you know in May 2021, we repurchased our €500 million 2023 bond. This has allowed us to extend our approximately €1 billion syndicated loan facility from 2023 to 2025. This is part of our strategy of returning to a more normalized level of liquidity after a period of uncertainty especially in 2020.
Our current liquidity of €2.3 billion, out of which €1.5 billion in cash, comfortably covers our maturities for the next three years. We think that our current capital structure maturity profile is well-balanced, but we continue to actively monitor the market with the aim of enhancing our maturity profile as well as improving our financial costs.
Now, let me hand over the presentation back to Executive Chairman for the final section.
Okay. Thank you, Alvaro. If you move to the slide 18, I have here presented the – what we already present in the Capital Market Day which took place in June 2021. And we provide that same kind of guidance for 2022. I think at that time we emphasized that we work on our people moving in trying to control our fixed cost and moving on in the direction of stabilizing all the industrial operations with a clear focus in the improvement around Industry 4.0 and, of course, moving along with the ATENEA Plan. But it's also true that, at that time, these guidance were based in a kind of market volumes that we were expecting in 2022 to be at the level of the volumes we have been in 2019 in terms of – based on manufacturing [indiscernible] (00:19:03) the kind of normal scenario around raw materials and inflation.
In fact, if you move to slide 19, I think the reality for 2022 is going to be totally different than the one we expected one year ago. In terms of global manufacturing, what is now expected to happen in the full year 2022 until now is that this production could be at the levels of €84 million when we were considering in the Capital Market Day in June last year. And this quarter seem to be at a level of €89.7 million. It's true that progressively the market is recovering from the crisis of semiconductor. We've already seen. We've already observed a kind of recovery in the months of November and December last year as a result of improving even though there is uncertainties around it.
And of course, by 2023, we feel that it's going to be a recovery. And by 2023, we could be able to come back to the levels that we had already in 2019. And of course, this growth is not going to be the same kind of growth. It's going to be a different material because it's going to be much more content of electrical vehicles including both [indiscernible] (00:20:13) vehicles and [indiscernible] (00:20:14)
If we move to slide 20, also, at that time, the Capital Market Day, we were not able to really manage what was going to be the evolution of the steel prices. The reality is that the spot steel prices during 2021 suffered an extraordinary increase during the whole year. But at that kind of the prices of the steel, which were for the open market, were basically stable because there are annual negotiations. So, right now, what is going to happen is that in 2022 is going to be a very important jump in the steel prices. We, of course, have all the mechanisms in place to do a perfect pass-through in terms of absolute terms, but, of course, it's going to be some kind of mathematical impact in our percentage of margins.
This impact will be different in different regions. Probably, it's going to be more in areas like Europe and probably less because we have already suffered part of this impact in areas such as US or maybe Asia. And of course, we are already suffering and we will suffer a very important inflationary topics. Of course, I'm not right now taking into consideration what would be the impact of the crisis we started to see and to analyze during last week. But, of course, there is already some inflationary pressures in energy, labor, cost and other topics.
So, with all these in mind, in the slide 21, we are talking about the guidance for 2022. And basically, we are doing essentially restating the guidance that we already provided last year. In terms of revenues, we are guiding now, we guided before, and it seems to be the performance. In this case, as far as is going to be, this kind of extraordinary increase of the price of the raw material of the steel prices, we believe that this mid-single digit, we need to add an additional 10% to 15% growth, which is going to be just the mathematic impact of the first two of the increase of the steel prices.
In terms of EBITDA margins, we are guiding from a margin of 12.5% to 13%. By doing that, we are offsetting less volumes, as I mentioned, we are considering €84 million rather than €89 million that we considered last year, and offsetting a very important part of the inflation. So we are giving us some kind of room in order to be able to do it. But in terms of the mathematical impact of this particular of the steel prices, could be a kind of impact in terms of margin of EBITDA of 150 basis points to 200 basis points. In any case, what is important that, in absolute terms, we are preserving what we were guiding last year. So that means that our commitment this year, assuming that the environment is not going to suffer dramatic changes for the next month to come is that we should be able to increase our EBITDA in absolute terms by 13% to 15%, which means an additional EBITDA of €130 million to €150 million comparing with EBITDA 2021.
In terms of CapEx, as we mentioned already last year, our CapEx will be under the limit of 7% of revenues, and the free cash flows will be more than €200 million. In this case, like in previous year, assuming that that will be excluding dividends and the acquisitions.
Moving to the slide 22, I just did not want to mention – not to mention that we are right now, in a very special opportunity in the growth on the development of the electrical vehicles. From one year to another, the forecast from the different consultants are giving us higher and higher figures for [ph] reviews. (00:24:00) In this case, for instance, you can check, but for the year 2028, just in June 2021, IHS were forecasting 28.7 million of units of electrical and plug-in hybrids. Now, the same assumption is considered in 36 million, so that leaves a very, very important jump in just in a few months. And of course, we, in Gestamp, feel very comfortable around what is going on with electrical vehicles because our technological expertise is to provide enough many opportunities just to improve the system part that we have. But we have also a lot of opportunities coming from a new content around the battery systems, the battery boxes, and other parts.
Don't forget that, as Alvaro has explained before, just this year, 30% of our CapEx has been directed to battery boxes. There are going to be new players, special pure EV players which are going to grow, and we can have a very good exposure to them. And of course, this is a new arena around the case and the new players is going to represent an increase in outsourcing for suppliers like us. So we see a lot of opportunities and we don't forget that we need to be very strict in trying to focus in efficiency and profitability and debt. But of course, we have a very important platform, solid platform to address opportunities in the market.
Moving to slide 23, this year has been – 2021 has been also a very active year for us in terms of our strategy and our long-term strategy around ESG. And we have been able to do a lot of different initiatives. Just as a reminder, we have been able to sign a very important PPA agreement with Naturgy, so that we provide that all our plant in Spain will use clean steel starting from this year or 100 years in a row. We have been the first Tier 1 supplier being able to buy in this great [indiscernible] (00:25:55) via the certificates for green steel. We have also joined the [ph] code or (00:26:00) in order to be able to expand the assets to computer science in the schools. We have also signed an agreement with the company POWEN to install solar panels in all – in 22 of our plants in Spain and Portugal in order to improve our Scope 1 and 2 CO2 emissions.
We have of course started the Gestamp ESG Academy, so that means that mandatory all of our employees will have the education of specific ESG as soon as possible. And then we have also the first group in the automotive sector which has been certified by AENOR, as a zero waste certificate.
So just to end up in slide 24, closing remarks, I think clearly we have been able to deliver in 2021 in a very, very challenging year. We have been able to address growth to reduce our debt to generate free cash flow and increase our margin of EBITDA and at the same time, we have preserve our position and with the customers. This focus in profitability and free cash flow is going to keep – we will keep on doing that in 2022.
We are already moving on in the idea of this new culture and inter-formation plan of the group. So ATENEA plan is ongoing and it's going to generate a lot of changes for the next year to come. In 2022, as mentioned, we will continue with their delivery and addressing new opportunities, especially around the growth of the electrical vehicles.
And I think right now with this, I conclude the presentation and of course, we are now open for your questions.
Ladies and gentlemen, the Q&A session starts now. [Operator Instructions] Please be informed that there might be a short silence while questions are being registered. Thank you. The first question comes from Christoph Laskawi from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Good evening. Thank you for taking my questions. And also thank you for elaborating on the steel impact in detail. The first question will be in relation to that as well. Could you comment, if possible, at all at this stage on the phasing of the steel impact? When we look at the revenues, is it more H2 or H1 weighted and then on earnings – I mean, for the full year, at [indiscernible] (00:28:23) there are no impact on the absolute earnings. But is there a time where you have a lag impact in H1, for example, which then will be compensated in H2 or is it more or less covered already?
And then also related to the high enrollment, could you give us an indication on the working capital impact for the year relating to that? Third question, more related to the current crisis. Given your production footprint in Eastern Europe, do you see any disruptions in the production in Eastern Europe, in the supply chain? And a bit of a comment on current callouts or current trading in that regard would be appreciated. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you very much for your questions. I think I would try to address the steel impact and the crisis and probably, Alvaro, you can take one on the working capital. If you go to the – if we can go to steel impact, as you know, we have the agreement with our customers that there is going to be able to pass-through. And every time we do this agreement of pass-through, no matter how much time it takes to find – reach an agreement is proactive starting from January. So we don't see any problem coming from steel impact or any differentiation between H1 and H2. What is true is that we are still considering that probably there could be more problems around supply chain in the first half of the year than in the second one. Still, we need to know. But so far in terms of the impact of the steel, we are not considering any important change between the first half and the second half. And of course, the only messages around what would happen with supply chain and especially semiconductors, and that is, of course, addressing the current crisis that we are talking about. It does not mean a very important disruption.
But if we go to the – what we are – what is our assumption today with this crisis and disruption, first of all, I would like to say that we, in Gestamp, we are running operations in Russia. We don't have operations in Ukraine. We are running four operations. One of them is the largest in Kaluga and three small ones between Tolyatti and Saint Petersburg.
Overall, last year, the sales that are coming up from this plant represented roughly around 1.3% of ourselves, and we have less than 500 people working in our plant today in Russia. And so far, until Friday last year, everything working well. So of course, this is the kind of impact we have. And then in terms of other kind of disruptions that we see, we don't have any kind of specific problems for sales out of our plant in Russia to all the perimeters.
And what we have already seen is some kind of problems starting to appear with some players of the – of some OEMs, which are based in Ukraine that is [indiscernible] (00:31:22) today that some plants in Western Europe are starting to stock but still the visibility around but still the visibility around what is going to be the severity of this is not clear but is not – it does not seem to be very severe. But still I think it's very early to address and I just wanted to tell you what is today our current position in Russia which I think is significant.
And maybe, Alvaro, you can address one about working capital.
Thanks. During 2021, we have successfully implemented measures to improve our working capital, which has resulted in an inflow of €100 million and a lot of focus on the receivable side and also reviewing all of the payment terms with our own suppliers and then trying to keep inventories under control. I think in 2022, with the sharp increase in raw materials, in theory, receivables and payables should more or less be offsetting each other. And what will be more challenging will be on the inventory side. So, you know, there is a high likelihood that the working capital will revert versus what we had in 2022. But we continue to have a lot of focus to try and keep it as much as possible under control.
Thanks a lot.
Thank you. Your next question comes from Akshat Kacker from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Thank you. Akshat from JPMorgan. Two from my side, please. First one, if you could talk about the increasing inflationary pressures that you're seeing from energy and labor. I remember at the last quarterly call, you mentioned that this is not a big headwind, as you saw at that point. Is it possible to quantify what are we seeing for 2022 or probably 2023 as well?
And second was a follow up on the current geopolitical situation. Can we talk about any structural impact on the auto industry from the situation in Russia and Ukraine especially when it comes to key metals or materials for the industry like aluminum, palladium or platinum? How do you see those kind of metals supply and prices being impacted? Thank you.
Okay. Thank you for your questions. I think, of course, inflation is here, and it's also something that we have already tackled during the previous year. In general terms, I would say that, for many years, in some specific countries, we are used to this kind of high inflation rates, and we have been always a system in order to be able to pass through part of these problems. I'm talking about countries like Brazil or Argentina or Mexico or even Turkey during 2021. So we have already a system in place, and we are able to preserve our margins.
It's true that 2021, especially in areas like US, and also in some extent in Europe, we have had some impact coming up from inflation, especially, I would say, that labor inflation, especially in areas like US or even in some countries of Eastern Europe have been already a problem. We have been working very, very hard in efficiency in order to be able to offset the increases in wages that we have been able to – that we have suffered. And in fact, as you have seen in our figures, we have been able to do it quite okay.
For this year, we are not – we don't see any kind of additional pressure, a very similar pressure that we had already in previous year in US. But it's true that now there is some risk also associated in Europe with the wages. Still, it does – it's not happening, but there is still a pressure in place. And of course we have this pressure coming out from energy, from freight, and others that we have been able already to tackle in some extent at the end of last year. And we are having right now all the kind of efficiency in place in order to be able to offset this part of the inflation. So that is going to help us in order to be able to preserve our margins and to be able to tackle the inflation, and that's why it's not going to allow us to be able to increase our margins.
And concerning your second question, it's still very early to say. We as Gestamp, we are [indiscernible] (00:35:29) directly impacted by any kind of structural changes. As I mentioned already, our sales in Russia are limited, so that will depend the kind of conflict that we'll have, whether it's going to be something rather quick or not and how many countries are going to be implied. So far, it's true what we mentioned that Russia and Ukraine to some extent are very important suppliers in terms of aluminum and steel and palladium and all this. And at the end of the day, it could be an impact in terms of prices and some of the tightness in terms of deliveries.
But I think it's a little bit early to say what is going to be the impact there. So far, I think right now we are trying to do is taking care of our people in Russia and also taking care of some Ukrainian people that even though we don't have plants in Ukraine, we do have plants in close to Ukraine in areas like Poland, in the Czech Republic or Slovakia. And we are right now offering them the possibility to have a legal advice and also the possibility to hire some Ukrainian people now that they are suffering in such difficult conditions.
Understood. Thank you so much.
Thank you. The next question comes from Francisco Ruiz from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Buenas tardes. I have two questions. The first one is regarding how comfortable you are with IHS estimates for 2022? I mean, I remember that, I think it was in Q3, you, Paco, commented that while IHS was around 9% call your [indiscernible] (00:37:11) something different, something better. Do you have a still the same feeling or mainly both things have been aligned?
And the second question was still on the steel impact. I mean, how certain is this 150 to 200 basis points impact? I mean, if there is a reversion of steel right now, could we see a better movement or this is an annual thing that is taken every January? Thank you.
Thank you, Paco, for your questions. I think confirming the estimate for 2022 of HIS, as I mentioned before, today, they are still guiding for 84 million vehicles. And it's true that we have always had a different kind of thinking around this forecast. That one is that this forecast, of course, is independent of what could be the impact of this last crisis – geopolitical crisis around Ukraine and Russia. I think so far it's early to address. But before [indiscernible] (00:38:20) again we're not taking that into consideration. I think, of course, there are different threads that the [indiscernible] (00:38:27) have a mixed feeling. First of all, we believe that 84 million is still a figure which is very low compared with the 89 million in 2019 and with the 95 million that we have in 2017.
Second thing, it's true that due to the problems of the COVID in 2020 and the problems of semiconductors in 2021 is we are kind of a non-satisfied demand. And we have seen that in many different parameters. So there could be a possibility that as far as the semiconductor problem will be solved, this demand will still be there. But, of course, we are talking about economy. We are going about, talking about sentiment. Right now, we don't know what is going to be the feeling of the people in the future whenever they are going to buy or not a new car. We believe that this is not really a big topic. This kind of coming back of this demand is going to happen, and we would probably see good volume for the future. And you just have to try to understand what are the commitments of different countries and different carmakers of what is going to be the amount of electrical vehicles that should be in the road for 2030 and 2035. So, something really needs to happen, but many things need to work in the same direction. So, maybe I'm not giving you a very clear indication, but today we have a kind of mixed feelings.
And concerning the impact of steel, as mentioned, we know, for instance, that our estimation for Europe is there. [indiscernible] (00:40:01) The agreement with steel mills are done. Basically, most of our customers have also concluded their annual negotiations. There is still some of them missing, that's why there is always a margin. And we really believe that this is going to happen especially in Europe. As mentioned, there are other areas which are a little bit more not spot but a little bit more short-term basis, no? I think, for instance, in the case of Mercosur, the movement happened a little bit earlier. Also, in Asia and also in US [indiscernible] (00:40:32) there is a specific resource system which is not – the prices of the steel are not moving themselves through the different agreement.
Overall, we believe that the assumption that is included in this guidance is the correct one, and we believe that there is going to be this kind of extraordinary impact of the pass-through of the increase of the steel prices in 2022 between 150 to 200 basis points.
Thank you very much.
Thank you. The next question comes from Victoria Greer from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Good evening. A couple of questions, please. I wanted to ask you a bit more about the battery box businesses as you're spending CapEx there. Yeah, I guess you're feeling quite good probably about your order intake. Can you talk a bit about your order intake for battery boxes? Are you seeing any new business from your new start-up OEMs that are focused only on BEVs? And can you talk a bit about when we can expect the CapEx you're spending now to come into series production? And then, my second question, just some housekeeping modelling items, please, for 2022. Could you give us your expectations for D&A interest cost and tax rate for 2022? Thanks.
Okay. So, thanks, Victoria. And concerning battery box here, we have mentioned in the presentation that roughly around 30% of the CapEx of 2021 has been directed to the battery boxes and all around the battery boxes because sometimes, it's complete battery boxes and in some cases we are talking just about the different parts of these battery boxes. The order intake has been quite solid. Part of this investment is related to the order intake of the previous year where we already have some kind of very important nominations you remember around some Volkswagen platforms and also some Daimler platforms. For this year, we have taken very important nominations for pure EV players both in US and also in China. And right now, we see the kind of progress and the kind of technology that we are offering to them is very attractive. So, I would prefer not to give you details but yes, the message is that we are taking very important business coming out from pure EV players.
And in terms of sales, we already start to see sales, relevant sales in 2022. But we are assuming that the peak in terms of sales of these orders that we have been already nominated and that we have already invested or we are in the moment to invest is going to happen around 2024. Of course, what we are planning is that within 2022 and 2023, we will keep on taking new nominations on battery boxes because our position is quite solid. And maybe Alvaro, you can help me with the second one.
Yeah. Sure. On the D&A, I guess it's difficult to provide guidance on revenue figure. I think we're going to see an increase in absolute terms in D&A levels as a result all of that CapEx that has been coming in place. Then, on the interest line cost, I think we'll try to be at least in the same place as this year and, if possible, a little bit better. Then, on taxes, I would assume the same tax rate as what we've had in 2021. And then, the minority outflows, I think if you look at it from a percentage of GDP, maybe that will also slowly come down to the extent that we are buying back minorities.
Great. Thank you very much.
Thank you. The next question comes from Álvaro Lenze from Alantra Equities. Please go ahead.
Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one would be on the guidance, EBITDA guidance. In absolute terms, you're guiding for 13% to 15% growth. These would compare to IHS estimates of 9% growth in auto production plus your mid-single-digit revenue growth outperformance and maybe some additional margin increase. So, I wanted to understand this, what's the source of the upside for margin improvement excluding the impact of the pass-through of raw material prices would come from. Are you considering potential increase in prices to offset the energy and personnel and logistics costs or is this from additional savings from the ATENEA Plan? Or what's driving this flattish to potentially increasing margin, again, excluding the raw material impact?
The second question would be on the CapEx which seems to be ramping up to circa 7% of sales from 6.5% this year, whether this is due to any specific projects or due to just you having been overly tightening the CapEx budgets and now returning to a more normal level. And lastly, the margin in Turkey has surprised me positively. I know you mentioned good performance of the JV in Turkey, so I don't know if you could provide some more detail there. Thank you.
Okay. Thanks for your questions, and I will try to give you more like – to provide more data around your three questions. In related to the guidance, it's true that we have tried to stay in what should be, let's say, our normal improvement in terms of margins for the year 2022. And at the end of the day, we thought it was convenient to give you and to provide also an additional guidance in absolute terms. So, what we are right now telling you is that even if everything is going to happen, we should be able to generate an EBITDA which is 13% or 15% higher in absolute terms than the one that we generated in 2021. So, that basically will mean that this market that we are talking about is that we are assuming in line with HIS that the global production is going to be something around 9%, and always are guiding for a kind of mid-single-digit outperformance out of that.
And what we are going to be able to do is basically to try to be able to offset the lower volumes that we are going to have in 2022 compared with the volumes that we were expecting at the Capital Markets Day last year, and also that we are going to be able to offset the important pressure coming out from inflation. So, we are lucky to be able to do that. We should be able to reach this 13%, but we want to have a little bit of space in order to be able to understand and to be able to address if everything of the inflation that we are expecting, we should be able to accept with the kind of improvements we are doing with the ATENEA, with Industry 4.0 and everything. Today, clearly, our target is to really go for that, but the challenge is much higher than the one we saw last year because, again, inflation and volumes are much more challenging than we expected in the Capital Markets Day last year.
Regarding CapEx, it's true that we are ramping up a little bit. Don't forget that this CapEx in terms of CapEx to sales is lower than the one we had in the period between 2017 and 2019. In any case, it's related to a specific project. Anytime we talk about CapEx, we have let's say a kind of recurring CapEx and a growth CapEx. So, part of this CapEx or a very important part of this CapEx is to projects that are already awarded or projects we are intending to be awarded within this year, so that is the idea. It's not any kind of reverse because as I think we have explained in the last three meetings, is that due to the kind of CapEx growth that we did in the period before and due to the low volume that we still see in the market, we have some kind of capacity available in order to be able to grow without doing CapEx in this kind of traditional technologies we have already in Spain. We have presence and we are basically investing in some welding facilities. And basically, what we are trying to do is have the growth CapEx to be directed to this kind of new opportunities, and EV and battery boxes very important part of it. So, it's not a reverse. Now, we have a very good position and we are taking advantage to be able to capture a very important part of the market which is going to grow and is going to be very profitable.
And regarding Turkey, there is nothing much to say. I think we have a very good plant running in Turkey. We are doing a very important outperformance. For instance, I would say that we have seen a very extraordinary performance from our operations in Turkey. They have been able, in a difficult scenario, to really be able to achieve from customers and to be able to have a kind of improvement of their prices to be able to compensate inflation and all the programs that we have seen in Turkey, and we have been able to generate a very solid amount of millions of EBITDA in euros, not in Turkish lira. So, I think this is one case. And of course, even though volumes in our Polish plant has been a little bit lower in some extent, we have been able to perform very well and also in Slovakia and Czech Republic. We have also performed quite well in our Hungarian plant. For real, I feel very much satisfied with what has been the performance of our plants in Eastern Europe.
Thank you very much.
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