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Welcome to the Cirrus Logic Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2019 Financial Results Q&A Session. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After a brief statement, we will open up the call for questions from analysts. Instructions for queuing up will be provided at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded for replay purposes.
I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Thurman Case, Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Case, you may begin.
Thank you, and good afternoon. Joining me on today's call is Jason Rhode, Cirrus Logic's President and Chief Executive Officer; and Chelsea Heffernan, our Director of Investor Relations. Today, we announced our financial results for the third quarter of fiscal year 2019 at approximately 4:00 PM, Eastern. The Shareholder Letter discussing our financial results, the earnings press release, including a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial information to the most directly comparable GAAP information, along with the webcast of this Q&A session, are all available at the company's Investor Relations website at investor.cirrus.com. This call will feature questions from the analysts covering our company as well as questions submitted to us via email at investor.relations@cirrus.com.
Please note that during this session, we may make projections and other forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from the projections. By providing this information, the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any projections or forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new developments or otherwise. Please refer to the press release issued today, which is available on the Cirrus Logic website and the latest Form 10-K and 10-Q, as well as other corporate filings made with the Securities and Exchange Commission for additional discussion of risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from current expectations.
Now I'll turn the call over to Jason.
Thank you, Thurman. Before we begin taking questions, I'd like to make a few comments. For a detailed account of our financial results, please read the Shareholder Letter posted on our Investor Relations website. Cirrus Logic delivered Q3 FY 2019 revenue of $324.3 million, in line with our revised expectations. Revenue for the quarter was lower than originally anticipated largely due to a reduction in sales of portable audio products shipping and smartphones.
During the quarter, design win traction was solid and we remained actively engaged with a variety of new and existing customers. While uncertainties surrounding the macroeconomic environment and smartphone unit sales continued to impact industry, Cirrus Logic maintained a sizable cash position, no debt and an expectation that we will continue to generate strong cash flow going forward. This positions the company to remain focused on long-term growth and invest in strategic initiatives that we believe will fuel new opportunities.
Before we begin the Q&A, I'd also like to note that while we understand there is intense interest related to our largest customer, in accordance with our policy, we do not discuss specifics about our business relationship.
Operator, we're now ready to take questions.
We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Matt Ramsay with Cowen. Matt, your line is open.
Thank you. Good afternoon. Just realizing the environment out there and that's all in the Shareholder Letter, where you really, I guess, backed away a little bit from the growth commentary for fiscal 2020. I wonder, Jason, if you just feel like it's a unit dynamic that's changed your view there?
Because I know you guys have talked about feeling comfortable about growth. I imagine the unit expectations are now lower for fiscal 2020. But anything different on the expectation for new content gains through the year that we should be thinking about? Thanks.
It sounds like you've got it spot on. It's purely a unit volume expectation. And obviously, we have no monopoly on the truth of what that will end up being. In a flat unit environment, we would grow straight up we would grow. We've got a good content story this year. We are making great progress on the Android side of things. We've got incredible traction with our new integrated amplifier's that's out there. We're shipping amplifiers to a wide array of the top 10 handset manufacturers.
Literally everything that is under our control or has been under our control we feel like is going extremely well. The design wins are there, the products, the execution across the board going extremely well. But obviously, we're not alone in telegraphing pretty significant weaknesses. And so as far as where the number will actually end up for the overall year, we're just – we went-off the circus ride, because it's just had a – if you laid out the full hypothetical of how many real wars and trade wars and other levels of crazy in the world economy then maybe we'd be able to get close. But it's definitely, a challenging time.
But as we said kind of in the opening remarks that's where it helps to be as stable and conservative as we are on the financial side, because not that we necessarily expect another 2008, but that was one of the best things that ever happened to the company. We were able to take advantage of the weak financial times with our strong financial position. And so that would certainly be our approach again. So, anyway nothing other than the whole macro economy imploding or having the potential to do so appears to be impacting our results. And other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? I guess.
Thanks for that color Jason. That's kind of what we were assuming as well that nothing has changed on the content story. Thurman, just really quickly on OpEx, I know you have some puts and takes there. I would anticipate you guys would continue to invest for future growth, but I mean, what kind of flexibility do you have on the spending line? Thank you very much.
Well, as we talked about in the letter that the Q3 number – the Q4 number or the middle range of guidance has some things like payroll taxes and other things in that. But given that number which the midrange of guidance is 103, we would expect that number to be flat as you move through on a quarter-over-quarter basis in FY 2020. But noting that, you can see some volatility, but that should help you with where we plan to be on an OpEx standpoint.
Your next question comes from Tore Svanberg with Stifel. Tore, your line is open.
Yes. Thank you. So Jason, I'm going to stay away from macro and unit questions. But I was intrigued by something you said in your shareholder letter about closed-loop controllers and systems. Could you elaborate a little bit on what that is? It appears that that's a new market that you're looking at, but if you could give us some specifics that would be great.
Sure. Thank you. Thanks for the question. It's actually – I guess it's a broader term that we're using to cover some markets that we're already in, but then also some markets that we expect to be in going forward. So for example for many years of course the differentiation that the company provides is around signal processing. It tends to be more and more in our wheel house as things get to be very low-power and always on. It also -- another area or differentiator that can move things into our wheelhouse is low latency.
And so for applications and a really good example of exactly this is, haptic, where something in the system is sensing a physical interaction with a handset. And then our amplifier -- our haptic amplifier does some signal processing and then drives a linear actuator to provide tactile feedback to the user.
So that's an example of a closed-loop controller, high-voltage, very low-power either always on or instantly on, on air action and very, very low latency to drive a user experience.
So we got into haptics because of our audio amplifier business, but the fact that we started participating in the haptic market made us really kind of open our eyes to the opportunity that we have the opportunity to provide more and more of that system over time, but also that there are other areas that are similar in -- from a technology perspective and in some cases in the same types of product that we're in today.
So that's a bit of a long-term kind of forward-looking statement beyond haptics. But there are meaningful new opportunities for us that fall into that category and they are squarely in the category of things we don't tend to talk about at the time.
Good. And on the topic on haptics you also mentioned you starting to see demand or interest in your technology outside of the smartphone market. Can you also elaborate on that? I mean is this kind of like in the automotive area or is it sort of in smart home or...
There is definitely some potential for more haptic-type things in automotive. But now this the near term thing for us would just be in additional consumer form factors whether it's wearables or even tablets, other consumer devices. In some cases it's because of a similar type of interaction to what people have with the phone meaning that a touchscreen that you want to provide some feedback through.
But additionally there's just -- there's a lot of opportunity to eliminate physical buttons or in the case of where there still might be a button, but at least have it not move in reality. There's a lot of interest in that across many of the applications we serve. So that's the kind of things we're referring to in haptics.
Shorter-term our overall amplifier business the audio piece is larger in the shorter-term the growth opportunities are larger in the short-term for audio. But haptic in smartphones is definitely following up close on its heels than these other applications are kind of in the early innings, but we're really excited about them nonetheless.
Your next question comes from Blayne Curtis with Barclays. Please go ahead your line is open.
Hey guys, this is Tom O’Malley on for Blayne Curtis. Just a quick one on broad opportunity into the future, you guys have talked about voice biometrics in the past in your slide deck you laid out a pretty sizeable opportunity there as you move into 2020, 2021? Can you talk about when you may actually see some revenue contribution there? And does that potentially layer in later this year or is that still more about 2020, 2021 story?
Well, I mean we don't have it modeled as a meaningful financial driver for this current fiscal year, but I would say engagements are accelerating there. We're talking to exactly the types of customers that we want to talk to about it. There is more from a technology investigation and evaluation of the actual product itself going on and there has been, so we feel like we’re making really good progress.
As I think we've talked about on previous calls that's by far of the sorts of things the company's done over time voice biometrics and the design in process associated with it it's by far the most complex things we've done in a very long time.
It's not because we do a great job with the engineering team that the company is going to decide to add voice biometrics to the roadmap, it's a decision that in most companies I would imagine goes all the way to the top.
So we’re little reluctant to call product timing, we've got aggressive goals for getting it in as soon as we possibly can. I feel like the metrics that we track about engagements and the evaluations and so forth are going well and increasingly so, but yeah I rather not call a specific timeframe other than to say we [don’t have] [ph] meaningful model in the current calendar or fiscal year.
Okay, I understood. And this is more of Thurman question. So, looking into June, obviously, last year on a slightly higher revenue base you guys were tracking out like a 49 gross margin, and obviously there's moving parts there.
What do you think your -- what is your confidence this year on gross margins? Obviously the unit story [is in flux] [ph], you're not guiding the year, but how should we think about – you’re seeing some Android opportunities roll on, some of the unit stories are weaker, how should we think about margins trending here into this year?
Yeah, for us when you look at how we see it going forward, the 48%, 50% type of range for gross margin is sustainable for us and so that's how we’re looking at and that's how you can look at it. We still try to certainly optimize those margins as we move through the year.
Yeah, just a little color. I mean, obviously, margins are one of those things where short of making your customers annoyed, you like them to be as high as possible but that customer bid is kind of important. So that's the range we expect to be long-term. We can drift up or we can drift above it or below it a bit here and there and -- but that's kind of the range you could expect it to be at.
Your next question comes from Charlie Anderson with Dougherty & Company. Charlie, your line is open.
Yeah, thanks for taking my question. Another follow-up on new adjacencies for you guys it sounds like we'll hear about them shortly, [indiscernible] sampling in first half. But I wonder if maybe you could speak to the gross margin profile of some of those new products and categories? And then also on the operating margin side too, will there be future requirements there if you move into adjacent markets that are not necessarily smartphone? And then I've got a follow-up.
Sure. So, I mean, I will say just because we're sampling something doesn't necessarily mean we’ll give you a whole lot more detail about it. There's certainly plenty of things that we sample without talking about them before that are shown up in tear downs and whatnot.
So -- but on the margin front, we’re really deliberate about not getting into new businesses where we don't expect that we can support the kind of margins and the margin range that the company needs. Our business model works there in the upper 40s, it doesn't really work much below that.
We provide a pretty high touch white glove experience for our customers, a lot of design support and everything else. And so I think it's unlikely that we would pursue anything that will be meaningfully different than that margins. Obviously, our customers always have goal of being zero and we always have a goal of being higher than that, but we feel pretty confident anything new we're engaged in, we can maintain it in that range. And then the follow-up.
Sure, so the non-portable audio, I think that's been a pretty stable piece of business between $40 million, $45 million the past figures a quarter dipped down in the mid-$30s million this quarter, just wondering was that sort of a macro situation there? And is that sort of a new baseline for that segment, any more color there? Thanks.
Yes, it can move around a bit. We haven't seen anything meaningfully different from a long-term perspective. Certainly things -- I think you've seen just about every one of our peers even the entity mile-wide big giant has guided down pretty significantly. So, clearly, there is a macro effect going on that's impacting just about everything. How much of that is what got into the specific numbers for our non-portable business is, I don't have a real good way to guess about that. But it's likely had an impact because there's nothing really different from a product offering or customer engagement perspective that I can point.
Got it. Thanks so much.
Your next question comes from Rajvindra Gill with Needham & Company. Please go ahead, your line is open.
Thanks for taking my questions. Question on the boosted amplifier market -- business. In the letter you said you were going to anticipate revenue in fiscal year 2020 that would increase meaningfully. I was wondering if you could talk about your market share position there how it's changed -- how it's going to change this year versus last year.
I know that there have been some opportunities for market share gains against -- I mean top handset OEMs. The -- your low-power 55-nanometer amplifier seems to be kind of ramping. So, any kind of comment on that market and kind of the size of it and now we should think about that going forward?
Sure. So, market share numbers in the audio space are really difficult because it's hard to make sure on an apples-to-apples basis with whoever put together the reports for the underlying volume is. But by and large, we're -- we've made progress last year shipping our audio amplifiers in Android. Obviously, we have a very dominant market share in the other primary platform handsets.
The -- in Android, we're really just getting started, so prior to last year, it was essentially zero. Last year, we've got a fair number of base hits and we're now as I said supplying into a pretty good cross-section of the top 10 handset manufacturers out there. But I'd still say our market share is comparatively low.
So, if you take the entirety of the high end and maybe the mid-tier Android space and the low end probably still just as content with making sound come out as cheap as possible. But the rest of that, the mid-tier and up, has either -- is either transitioning or has transitioned from an audio amp that you integrated into a PMIC or somewhere else in the system to a boosted amp from ourselves or someone else that provides much louder sound and higher speaker quality and protects the speaker from damage and so forth.
That could either be a mono amplifier or increasingly even in the mid-tier customers we're talking about doing stereo or some sort of pseudo-stereo and -- so that is kind of -- we're still very low on the market share perspective and we expect to make a pretty meaningful dent in that -- in really late this quarter and throughout FY 2020.
Yes, we're definitely engaged in some design wins and opportunities for the amplifier stuff that are more than base hits which is really gratifying.
That's helpful. Just spinning on those lines I remember, last quarter you talked about you expected additional flagship devices in China to launch with your integrated DSP amplifier in the next six months. Is that still the case given the weakness in the China handset market this year? Just any color there would be helpful.
Yes, so for us the weaknesses are hard to speak because a lot of it is such opportunity in China handsets. We've actually seen pretty significant upside for some of the models our China customers are producing. So again, like I say, it's all only a little over a year that we've had the integrated DSP amplifier on the market and now we're shipping it to a wide array of customers and in an increasing number of models within China. So there's the -- whatever is going on in the economy, they're still designing phones and maybe in some cases I guess there's the opportunity -- there's the possibility that some of them are shipping less well then they maybe over the previous year. But for us, it's all new anyway. So for us, it just looks like the business. And in some other cases, they're significantly outperforming the forecast that we had in mind. So, we're pretty excited about that in China and then obviously there's some pretty meaningful opportunity in Korea that we're excited about as well.
[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Adam Gonzalez with Bank of America, Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to talk about the linearity of growth in your business outside of your largest customer. Can you maybe talk about what kind of sequential growth you can expect going into the March quarter? And perhaps as we move throughout fiscal 2020, are you still on track to get that second 10% customer that you were talking about or is this that has been pushed out? Thanks.
No, I guess, I wouldn't use linearity in the context of our -- well any of our business at the moment. But no, we're absolutely on track to get back to having a second 10% customer. Again we -- I think we spelled out in the letter that we expect really good things -- new design wins to ramp to real material volume within this current quarter. And then, we'll see how those products do on their own on the market. More broadly speaking the rest of the Android space, we continue to do well with the amplifiers. And then overtime, we expect to do more and more with haptic throughout the year as well. So I think it's -- we're a long way from anyone could be able to consider us truly diversified, but we actually do expect over the course of this year to make pretty meaningful progress on that front.
So that's very gratifying. Pointed out I think on the last call our experience is building anything new takes in our built business it really takes about five years from when you really undergo. And we did the Wolfson acquisition in 2014. We certainly enjoyed the business that came along with Wolfson. But as far as taking the one plus one equals three so to speak of the acquisition prospect, it's really this year that we should start to enjoy the benefits of that and we very much see that coming true. Amplifiers are part of that haptics, are part of that longer-term voice biometrics is a big part of that. So we're very excited to how that stuff comes true.
Got it. And just as my follow-up just a higher-level question. Just want to go back to the comment you made earlier about how Cirrus should be able to grow in a flat type of smartphone union environment. Just wondering what your take is on what the content multiplier might be for the company? The smartphone units are down it looks like 5% this year, can Cirrus outgrow by 500 basis points 600 basis points? Any color here would be helpful. Thanks.
Yes. So I'm trying to figure out how to answer that without circling back and accidentally giving guidance for the year, which is, if we wanted – if we felt comfortable doing, we would just do that. So it's kind of a broad mix, there's a bunch of moving pieces. There are sockets that we've been in where we've got incremental improvement.
Over the course of the year, there's design wins that we've talked about and still expect to ramp within the current quarter where it's a handset that we're in previously, but now we're in with additional products. And also, in that context, we're really excited about our audio amps.
So it's kind of a broad mix, if you think about it from a content perspective. In handsets we're already in, kind of a broad mix of incremental content, in some cases meaningful new content, or different product from us and others. And then longer-term, we're pleased with the progress we're making in FY 2020, or we expect to make in FY 2020.
We wish it were against a little healthier backdrop, economically speaking. We have no – obviously, no way of imagining what the economy might be doing in FY 2021. But I would say the content play in FY 2021 is probably significantly larger. We currently expect it to be a significantly larger content play in that time frame.
Obviously, that far out there's still work to be done and there's always opportunities for things to go sideways. But say, broadly speaking, the plan of record is for a normalized unit volume basis, probably a larger amount of growth in the FY 2021 timeframe.
Your next question comes from Chris Rolland with Susquehanna. Chris, your line is open.
Hey, Jason, quick question for you. So I think in the letter you mentioned speaker identification versus voice biometrics and were you describing a different product when you said speaker identification. Are there different – is there a different time to market for speaker identification, different ASPs, et cetera, or are were you really talking about the same product?
No, I think, we were probably trying to avoid using the exact same words three times in the same paragraph, or some of those usual things that you worry about when you try to write a document that's pleasant to read to. So no speaker ID could be used interchangeably. I think there are probably some customers when they say speaker ID, they maybe mean something a little less forensic grade than what we're usually talking about when we're talking about voice biometrics.
So now we didn't mean anything by that. But since you brought it up, there are an interesting array of things that we can do with voice biometrics and the related technologies. Our first and foremost target is we want to secure the hands-free interface for handsets at a grade that is something that I would turn it on my phone to be able to access my e-mail, which for me is kind of the gold standard for if I really trust something or not. And I think that's pretty broadly true for IT departments around the world.
So we think that's the single most compelling use case for the hands-free interface of a handset and without voice biometric, it's not really a practical thing to do or a sensible thing to do. So that's what we're targeting first. Outside of that, though, there are a lot of opportunities to enhance the user experience in things like connected home, where a lot of people might be willing to stipulate that anybody using the device is friendly.
And so you don't necessarily -- there are lots of people still would wish to do but there you would not necessarily have to have forensic-grade security on it you may wish to just accurately predict that accurately determined that it was so you that tried to order of 100 pounds of chocolate off of Amazon versus your four -year-old. That might be a -- that most likely would be a different grade of security required versus securing a CEO's e-mail for example. So that it wasn't all try to comply with the differentiated terminology there but there are a wide array of opportunities that fall under the voice biometric umbrella.
Great. Sorry for the over analysis there. Perhaps one for Thurman then inventory up and DSOs up way more and staying there, so I understand you're supporting a new customer but still kind of seems like a lot there particularly on the DSO basis. And then while not payables were up too and just wondering what was going on there too? Thanks.
I mean we saw that -- we've said that we saw slower volumes as we went through the quarter and our guidance or our discussion on Q4, we expect it to be the Q4 inventory to be relatively flat to where we ended in Q3. And that though you have to take into account that we are supporting ramps during the Q4 period and all of that said, we're very comfortable with our inventory levels and we don't see any issues with working through that inventory although it was a little higher this quarter.
And just to expand on that a little bit, it isn't really what your question was, but I just always see the -- always enjoy business a plus talking about inventories and whatnot so just to highlight Generally speaking a huge percent of our business is direct with our customers. We don't have a whole lot of business that goes through distribution and such business that does go through distribution is generally pretty lean on inventory. So we don't see a lot of inventory out there in other pools where we have to burn that off before we go to order. Obviously if our customers hold inventory there either raw stuff from us or finished goods that's a different issue. But at least there is one last kind of pocket in the chain of inventory to -- for us to worry about why that can impact that it is set we are not overly concerned about inventory write-offs or obsolete inventory.
Great. Thank you.
[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Tore Svanberg. Tore your line is open.
Yeah, thank you. Thurman, I just had a follow-up on OpEx. So I get the 103 guidance for March, but R&D was down quite a bit in December and SG&A was up. So how should we think about the split going forward?
Well we -- when we -- when I talked about our run rate moving forward on the total OpEx I think in general if there is any growth in an area you would be looking at SG&A staying flat and given where that will get you at the end of the year then R&D will remain generally flat to where we were from a run-rate basis in Q4.
Yes we really don't break it out.
We don't break it out.
Looking forward and I think Thurman's guidance on that is proven from a roughly speaking, it should be flat. Obviously, we're keenly aware of it overall environment and we'll just like we did last year continue to work on OpEx and we'll update you on that as the quarters roll through.
Sounds good. Thank you.
Thanks, Tore.
We have no further questions over the phone at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Chelsea.
Thank you, operator. We had one question that wasn't answered today. Given the macro uncertainties, how should we think about the first quarter?
We strive very hard to give accurate guidance for the current quarter and I hope we've done so. In this particular case because it is pretty unpredictable, I would certainly expect that -- I would certainly assume that the softness continues carrying into Q1. But as far as exactly any sort of color to provide beyond that our crystal ball is just not that good.
The entire world seems to have gone slightly bananas at the same time and that impacts our ability to guesstimate such things. So assume it's soft and as usual and actually one of the ways it's pretty fundamental, the way we run the company is think like an optimist, but act like a pessimist.
So we'll model it closely as being soft and take the appropriate action without putting ourselves in a pinch, as we try to prepare for a really rosy future in some of the other things that we see coming down the pipe. So hopefully, that's helpful and we'll update you quarter-by-quarter as we go through.
Great. Thanks, Jason. There are no more questions.
Okay. In summary, despite the current market dynamics more customers are seeking sophisticated signal processing components that deliver a better user experience across our target markets. With an extensive intellectual property portfolio that we are leveraging into a robust product roadmap and an outstanding team of engineers, supply chain and operations support, we continue to invest in key technologies we believe will drive meaningful opportunities in the coming years.
If you have any questions that were not addressed today, you can submit them to us via the "Ask the CEO" section of our Investor website. I'd like to thank everyone for participating today. Goodbye.