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Earnings Call Analysis

Q3-2023 Analysis
Digimarc Corp

Solid Growth with Expanding Margins

In an impressive third quarter, the company's annual recurring revenue (ARR) surged to $19.6 million, reflecting a robust growth of 54% year-over-year. A pivotal deal signed in Q2, covering a single product across two countries, is set to contribute a mid-6-figure sum to this ARR. Subscription revenues climbed 18%, totaling $4.8 million, constituting 53% of the $9 million in total revenue, itself a 15% increase from the previous year. Although operating expenses were cut down by 17%, subscription gross profit margin soared to 85.5%, indicating efficient growth and a strategic push towards profitability. Free cash flow usage remained minimal at a mere $400,000 for the quarter.

Impressive Growth in Annual Recurring Revenue

The end of the quarter marked a significant achievement in the company's financial performance with $19.6 million in annual recurring revenue (ARR), which translates to a substantial 54% year-over-year growth. This milestone underscores the company's strategic shift and focus on the high-margin commercial subscription sector and is indicative of a robust business model in place.

Total Revenue and Segment Growth

The company's total revenue saw a healthy increase of 15% year-over-year, coming in at $9 million, compared to $7.8 million in the previous year's corresponding quarter. Subscription revenue, a significant contributor at 53% of the total revenue, jumped by 18%, while service revenue saw a 12% rise due to increased budgets from Central Banks for 2023. This indicates that the company's services remain in demand and the financial health is strengthening.

Gross Profit Margin Expansion and Operational Efficiency

The company made a notable improvement in its subscription gross profit margin, which rose sharply from 75% to over 85% year-over-year due to a favorable revenue mix and reduced infrastructure costs. While service margins dipped slightly from 57% to 54%, the company anticipates staying within the mid-50s range. Concurrently, operating expenses were reduced by 17%, due to a strategic headcount adjustment and other cost-saving measures, further evidencing a commitment to operational efficiency and profitability.

Liquidity and Cash Management

Liquidity remained stable with $33.3 million in cash and investments at the quarter's end. Free cash flow usage was minimal at $400,000, a significant reduction from the previous year's $11.4 million, reflecting a disciplined approach to cash management. Additionally, $800,000 was utilized for share repurchases, indicating the company's confidence in its intrinsic value and a commitment to enhancing shareholder value.

Future Cash Flow Expectations

Management remains confident about the future, reasserting that the cash flow usage for the latter half of the year will be considerably lower than the $7.9 million witnessed in Q2. This reaffirmation reflects a strong outlook for the company's financial discipline and operational execution going forward.

Strategic Vision and Market Positioning

The management conveyed a strong sense of momentum across all business areas, with a clear vision to lead in a market that has significant growth potential. The expansion of Digimarc Validate in the digital domain is set to not only increase the total addressable market (TAM) but also deepen the company's competitive 'moats'. This strategic direction appears poised to harvest once-in-a-generation investment opportunities.

Revenue Drivers and Prospective Deals

New contracts predominantly drove revenue growth, signaling successful customer acquisition efforts. An anticipated deal with a prominent new customer in France highlights the company's international expansion and potential in addressing environmental issues. This prospective deal, not part of an initial announcement, demonstrates the momentum and growth opportunities that lie ahead for the company.

Engagement Across Industry Vertices

Engagement is underway with various key industry players, ranging from content creators and owners to nodes responsible for detection, underscoring the company's reach across the digital content spectrum. These ongoing discussions with large entities are suggestive of the broad interest in the company's offerings and potential for future collaborations.

Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2023-Q3

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Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Digimarc Corporation Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Joel Meyer, Chief Legal Officer. Thank you. You may begin.

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Joel Meyer
executive

Thank you. Welcome to our Q3 conference call, Riley McCormack, our CEO; and Charles Beck, our CFO, are with me on the call. On the call today, we will provide a business update and discuss Q3 2023 financial results. This will be followed by a question-and-answer forum. We have posted our prepared remarks in the Investor Relations section of our website and will archive this webcast there. Before we begin, let me remind everyone that today's discussion contains forward-looking statements that have risks and uncertainties. Please refer to our press release for more information on the specific risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially. Riley will now provide a business update.

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Riley McCormack
executive

Thank you, Joel, and hello, everyone. Q3 was another strong quarter for Digimarc. While Charles will provide a more detailed discussion on the financial results during his remarks, there are 2 metrics I want to highlight at the top of the call because their absolute levels as well as our expectation they will get even stronger are important markers of our progress in building a high-quality, high-growth and highly cash flow generative business. First, we grew our annual recurring revenue or ARR 54% year-over-year. As mentioned during the last few earnings calls, first year bookings has become a less relevant metric as our focus is on growing our recurring and high-margin subscription revenue and signing those customers to multiyear deals. Our decision to begin reporting our quarter-end ARR reflects our desire to provide investors transparency to the results of that focus as well as a greater understanding of our true underlying growth. And while the 54% year-over-year growth rate is objectively high, we believe we are capable of more. In fact, while it is still early in the current quarter, we expect our year-over-year ARR growth rate in Q4 will be noticeably greater than it was in Q3. Second, we expanded our subscription gross profit margin to 85.5%, an increase of 1,000 basis points year-over-year and 200 basis points sequentially. On our Q4 2022 call, Charles mentioned our expectation of driving subscription gross profit margin north of 80% in 2023. And 3 quarters into the year, we have not only exceeded this target in every single quarter, but our gross profit margin is now closer to 90% than 80%. There is no greater predictor of the company's ultimate level of profitability nor better proof of the depth and width of its modes than subscription gross profit margin. And at 85.5%, we are near best-in-class, similar to the levels of other high-quality and wide-moded SaaS businesses that enjoy the extra gross profit margin tailwinds that come from being much larger than we are today. Like our ARR growth rate, we believe we will improve from these already-high levels. The combination of high and accelerating ARR growth and our significant gross profit margin expansion not only speaks to the quality of the business we are building and the differentiated products we are able to deliver, but acts as a potent [ cusp ] in getting us to cash flow breakeven and beyond. I want to spend the rest of my prepared remarks discussing 3 specific areas that we know are of interest to investors. But before I do, I want to stress that I'm focusing only on these 3 typically because of time limitations, not because they are the only areas by which we are excited. In fact, if one were to compare my prepared remarks over the past few quarters to the news we have delivered in the subsequent quarter, you'll notice a little correlation with topics. I view my prepared remarks as a forum to provide updates on areas in which we have received the most questions as well as an opportunity to continue providing transparency into the different parts of our business, not as a sneak preview of upcoming news. We prefer to let the news, i.e., the results, speak for themselves. Starting with Digimarc Recycle, we recently announced that France will be the first countrywide rollout of this world-changing product. Digimarc Recycle represents a revolution in the sortation and thus recycling of plastic waste. It is the power to not just increase the quantity and quality of plastic recycling, but also uncovered never before seen data about the post-purchase product journey. According to the Ellen MacArthur Foundation, higher-quality plastics recycling is also one of the most impactful things we can do as a planet to reduce carbon emissions, and moreover, it comes at a negative financial costs. This means there is an economic return on investment from achieving higher-quality plastics recycling in addition to the obvious environmental benefits, something that a recently industry commissioned study on Digimarc Recycle independently corroborated. It is for all these reasons and more that Fortune recently ranked us seventh on their esteemed 2023 Change the World list, despite their stated preference for companies generating over $1 billion of revenue, which we don't have yet. The news regarding the countrywide rollout in France is a major milestone for our company and a testament to the power of our technology and our team. We are dedicated to working with this initial group of visionaries to help expand adoption in France, and on that front, I'm excited to share that we are close to signing a deal with a very large company that was not even listed in our press release from only a few weeks ago. Beyond France, we are progressing activities in multiple other countries as we pursue the country-by-country avenue for driving Digimarc Recycle adoption. Important to note, 2 weeks ago, the European Commission voted on amendments to the Packaging and Packaging Waste Regulation or PPWR as that important law progresses towards finalization. Included in the new events, the time line to implement Digimarc was shortened by 6 months. We applaud the EC's vision and their urgency. We are also pursuing additional go-to-market avenues for Digimarc Recycle in parallel with this country-by-country approach, including partnering directly with global brands and retailers to push adoption in multiple countries at once, working with prospects to open a market via a closed-loop solution, which can then act as a catalyst for wider in-country adoption, and progressing our work in lighting up deposit return scheme value-added resellers, which then acts as a profitable wedge to open Digimarc Recycle conversations in those countries. On this last front, I was recently in country meeting with our first DRS VAR, and it was exhilarating to see initial production of the DRS logo being applied to real-world products. I believe one of our greatest strengths will always be the awesomeness of our VARs, and I expect when the world sees the tangible results of this VAR as easy, cost-effective and quick to scale solution, interest in Digimarc's [ ability ] to help improve upon existing DRS solutions will significantly increase. One last thing to highlight on Recycle. While historically, our focus has been on the application of Digimarc Recycle for the plastic pollution crisis, recently, there has been interest by other [indiscernible] ecosystems to solve their own end of product life issues. There's obviously end customer synergies as retailers and brands use multiple different materials in their packaging and our products and plastics objectively lessen the need for proof-of-concept work in other substrates. Also worth noting, the PPWR doesn't restrict the digital market requirement to just plastic packaging. Next, I'd like to spend some time on Digimarc Illuminate for Factory Automation. This compelling offering brings the power of the Illuminate product digitization platform into a production, fulfillment or distribution facility. The ability to identify specific products in robust deterministic and novel ways unlocks important new automations not otherwise possible. In the specific case of the deal we discussed last quarter, one of the world's largest CPGs was interested in removing excess packaging from one of our marquee products in an effort to save both money and the planet, but in so doing, would have lost the ability to differentiate between different variations of this product, something required for their exacting standards of quality. Enter Digimarc Illuminate for Factory Automation and its ability to connect physical products to their digital twins via our unique bridge, Digimarc Digital Watermarks. This cost and environment saving application is something that has sparked the interest of other prospects as well as multiple ecosystem partners to act as force multipliers in our quest to digitize the world's products. In fact, one of our partners will be presenting our offering at an important industry event next week. The potential here is enormous as we have all the necessary ingredients for success: approvable ROI, a wonderful environmental impact, a robust and interested ecosystem of force multipliers, an extremely happy customer, and of course, a unique solution that only the Digimarc Illuminate platform is capable of providing. Other prospects are exploring using Digimarc Illuminate for Factory Automation for novel automations that differ from the maintenance of production line quality control when removing excess packaging. Examples include solving for code occlusion caused by harsh factory conditions and automating workflows that don't lend themselves to the perfect presentation of a single code. Recall the multiple characteristics of Digimarc's Digital Watermarks: covert, ubiquitous, redundant and secure, and recall that for use cases that require one, some or all of these attributes, Digimarc Digital Watermarks are either the best choice or the only choice for connecting physical products to their digital twins. When it comes to automating factory operations, we are finding there are multiple reasons why one, some or all of these attributes are required. As the only product digitization platform capable of using digital watermarks as the bridge between a physical object and its digital twin. We believe the sandbox version of our platform Digimarc illuminate for Factory Automation has a bright future in helping our customers solve some really pressing problems and so doing, allowing them to either start or continue along the product digitization journey. In terms of market size, as I mentioned last quarter, we believe this solution is applicable to hundreds, if not thousands of potential customers, and the single deal we signed in Q2, which covers a single product across 2 countries, represents mid-6 figures of ARR. Finally, moving to Digimarc Validate, it is incredible to look back on the progress we have made since our last call, including the launch of our product just over a month ago. Our legacy of being the pioneer and widely recognized leader in digital watermarking, the technology that has been universally accepted as having a key role to play in the new world of generative AI, coupled with our experience in building massive multinational multi-stakeholder mission-critical systems of trusted authenticity upon that technology, has set our entree into important conversations across the ecosystem. We are actively engaged with governments, standards bodies and content creators and technology partners and prospects of all sizes. GenAI didn't create the [indiscernible] issue, but it did democratize it. And if the world is to enjoy the benefits of the whole new technology, action must be taken to protect against its risks. This is not a view we are unique in having and the speed at which all stakeholders [indiscernible] is astounding. We believe the result is the world will look back at GenAI as a catalyst for the delivery of something long overdue anyway: a safe, fair, trusted and authentic Internet. And Digimarc Validate is ideally positioned to be a foundational element of such a future. On the government front, we've been engaging with leadership at the highest levels to discuss the need for tools to support the protection and authentication of digital assets in the GenAI era. We have met with senior leaders at the White House, executive agencies and departments and in Congress, and in these bipartisan meetings, our history, proven technology and ability to work across images and audio, especially on device, is helping drive awareness of what's possible, [indiscernible] by multiple groups help educate and inform the conversation, commitments and coming regulation, and our ideas have been well received. We expect to continue participating in discussions at the highest levels to shape the future of artificial intelligence and the broader digital ecosystem, and we feel confident that Digimarc Validate has an important role to play in effectively protecting the rights of content creators and owners while also building the foundation of true digital asset authentication. On the standards body front, we are a member and heavily involved in the Coalition for Content Providence and Authenticity, otherwise known as C2PA. For those of you not familiar with C2PA, it is a group of industry leaders working to address the prevalence of misleading information online through the development of technical standards for certifying the source and history or provenance of media content. We are appreciative of all the hard smart, work this group has been doing and thrilled they understand digital watermarking has a role to play in improving the authenticity of digital content. I know there have been some questions around C2PA's Content Credentials and if this is competitive to Validate, and the answer is no. In fact, Digimarc will be supporting Content Credentials as part of our upcoming registry because while industry standards are necessary, they are not by themselves sufficient. Standards need companies to support them for their meaningful adoption, and we recognize we have an important role to play. Content Credentials are an elegant means of organizing and recording metadata, but the risk to metadata is that it can be altered and is removed by common workflows such as editing software and social networks, rendering it useless for the purpose of intellectual property protection and authentication in such scenarios. Just like in the physical world, our digital watermarks will act as unique, necessary and immutable bridge between the data and the object, allowing the content owner to control their digital asset story. On top of this governmental and standards body engagement of [indiscernible], we are building our Digimarc Validate business. Digimarc Validate provides value to content creators and their consumers as well as owners of detection points running the gamut of GenAI engines, e-com sites, network security companies and device vendors. We are engaging with prospects and partners across the full spectrum of size, and we intend to make it as difficult to counterfeit content and identity in the digital world as we have currency in the real world. In addition to the massive opportunity ahead of us and the fact we are uniquely qualified and positioned to address it, there are 2 perhaps nonobvious important points worth highlighting about our entree to the digital domain. The first is that our ability to bridge both the physical and digital domains is a key differentiator of our platform, our products and our digital watermarks, and nowhere is that becoming as obvious as with Digimarc Validate. And secondly, as I know, at least a few investors have noticed in visiting our website the expansion of Digimarc Validate in the digital domain allows us to open a fully digital sales motion. In terms of our mantra being easy to begin doing business with an excellent guiding customers along their product digitization journey, this web-based sales motion has opened a new door to easy. Thus, the expansion of Digimarc Validate in the digital remain has not only dramatically increased our overall total addressable market, it has also increased our opportunities in the physical domain while adding width and depth to the moats surrounding all of our offerings. I will now turn the call over to Charles to discuss our financial results.

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Charles Beck
executive

Thank you, Riley, and hello, everyone. Before I dig deeper into our Q3 financial results, I wanted to share some financial highlights from the third quarter. We ended the quarter with $19.6 million of annual recurring revenue or ARR, representing 54% growth year-over-year. I'll talk more about this important performance metric in a minute. We achieved 85.5% subscription gross profit margin, we reduced our operating expenses year-over-year by 17% and our free cash flow usage was only $400,000 for the quarter. I highlight these areas as they are all critical drivers towards reaching profitability. Now on to the details. As we mentioned on previous earnings calls, we've been working to select a new reporting metric to replace first year commercial bookings that would provide a better indicator of our progress in growing our high-margin commercial subscription business. As Riley already mentioned, we have decided on annual recurring revenue as it's a key performance metric we are now using to run our business. We intend to report ending ARR each quarter with comparative periods so you can measure our progress. We calculate ARR using the recurring fees stated in our sales contracts, thus mirroring the underlying economic value of these contracts. Also, ARR only includes recurring subscription fees from commercial contracts. Government contracts, service fees and nonrecurring subscription fees are excluded from our reported ARR. The reason for this is the most important growth driver we are all focused on as recurring commercial subscription revenue. We have included a table within the earnings strip that reports our ARR at the end of each of the last 8 quarters for comparative purposes. In addition to focusing on growing our high-margin commercial subscription business, we are also focusing on making sure the payment terms and our sales contracts are consistent with traditional SaaS terms, which results in the collection of annual payments upfront. I call this out because it is yet another benefit of our transition to becoming a product and platform company and allows our ARR growth to have a more immediate impact on improving cash burn. Ending ARR for the quarter was $19.6 million, representing an ARR growth of $6.9 million or 54% year-over-year. Total revenue for the quarter was $9 million, an increase of $1.2 million or 15% from $7.8 million in Q3 last year. Subscription revenue, which accounted for 53% of total revenue for the quarter, grew 18% from $4.1 million to $4.8 million. The increase reflects subscription revenue recognized on new customer contracts signed this year as well as upsells this year on existing customer contracts. Service revenue increased 12% from $3.7 million to $4.2 million. The increase reflects a larger annual budget from the Central Banks for project work in 2023 than 2022, which includes both higher billing rates and project hours. Subscription gross profit margin improved from 75% in Q3 last year to over 85% in Q3 this year. The large increase year-over-year reflects 2 positive trends we've highlighted previously, both a favorable mix of subscription revenue to our newer products, and lower product infrastructure costs. We expect these trends to continue, resulting in further expansion over time to our subscription gross profit margins. Service gross profit margin decreased from 57% in Q3 last year to 54% in Q3 this year. The decrease reflects a more favorable labor mix last year than this year. We continue to expect service gross profit margin to be in the mid-50s on average going forward with some fluctuation quarter-to-quarter depending on labor mix. Operating expenses for the quarter were $16.4 million compared to $19.7 million in Q3 last year, a decrease of 17%. The large decrease in operating costs largely reflects lower headcount partially offset by annual compensation adjustments and lower contractor and consulting costs. Additionally, Q3 last year included $1.4 million of severance costs for organizational changes. Non-GAAP operating expenses, which excludes noncash and nonrecurring items, were $13.2 million for the quarter, down 15% compared to $15.5 million in Q3 last year. Net loss per share for the quarter was $0.53 versus $0.76 in Q3 last year. Non-GAAP net loss per share was also considerably lower for the quarter at $0.29 versus $0.47 in Q3 last year. We ended the quarter with $33.3 million in cash and investments. Free cash flow usage was $400,000 for the quarter compared to $11.4 million used in Q3 last year. We used an additional $800,000 of cash in Q3 for share repurchases. Q3 shows the power of my earlier comments about our focus not just on growing our subscription business, but also on the payment terms of that business, and while we expect Q4 free cash flow usage to be higher than the $400,000 we used in Q3, it will be significantly lower than prior quarterly trends. Last quarter, I mentioned our free cash flow usage for the final 6 months of 2023 to be notably less than the $7.9 million we used in Q2 alone. We are reiterating that statement today. For further discussion of our financial results and risks and prospects for our business, please see our Form 10-Q that will be filed with the SEC. I will now turn the call back over to Riley for final remarks.

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Riley McCormack
executive

Thanks, Charles. We are seeing momentum across all areas of our business, and our hard work continued to increase that momentum as we create a market we are uniquely positioned to lead for years to come, a market that, at scale, has the opportunity to be as large, if not larger, than the other legs of the digital transformation stool. With our recent expansion of Digimarc Validate in the digital domain, that opportunity has become significantly larger. And because we are unique in being able to bridge both the physical and digital worlds, not only has our TAM become larger, but our moats have become wider. As those of you with whom I've spoken over the years now, I think there's a really easy way to identify once-in-generation investment opportunities before they become obvious to the rest of the world. It's simply a matter of TAM, moats and execution. As just mentioned, our massive TAM has become that much more massive, and our incredibly wide moats have become that much wider. In addition, as our financial results in the last few quarters, combined with our comments about Q4 show, we're executing. We appreciate your interest as we continue to progress this generational opportunity. Diego will now open the call up for questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from James Ricchuiti with Needham & Company.

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James Ricchiuti
analyst

Thanks for the additional information on ARR. Question I have is just with respect to the subscription revenue that you're seeing. Is there -- you see more activity from upsells on existing -- with existing customers or with new customers?

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Charles Beck
executive

the impacts definitely come from both, but it's been more from new customers. We've had a couple of handfuls of really nice upsells that we highlighted on the last call this year. But the majority of the new revenue's coming from new contracts.

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James Ricchiuti
analyst

Okay. Got it. And then maybe a little bit of color on the, if you can, on the expected deal you alluded to with a company that's presumably tied to this rollout in France. I'm wondering what's driving this? Is this an existing customer, someone you've been talking to?

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Riley McCormack
executive

I'm sorry, Jim, you broke up. Are you asking the customer we alluded to being close to signing in France?

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James Ricchiuti
analyst

Yes, I am.

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Riley McCormack
executive

Yes. So it's a new customer. It's a new logo. It's an incredibly impressive logo. And the point I was trying to make in that part of the call was this wasn't even a company that was listed in that initial press release, which I forget exactly came out a couple of weeks ago, some time in that period of time. So I think their interest is in helping make a difference in the environment in France. And I think it, to your point, if I could add on to what Charles was saying is Jim, we had this conversation in the past of we expect to be enough cross-sell opportunity for decades, And so it's important to get those new logos. We view them as future upsell and cross-sells. And that's how we [indiscernible] is that one of the wonderful things about how we've architected our platform and our product is very accretive. So we don't care where somebody starts their product digitization journey. Our goal is to guide them and be excellent guides at continuing their product digitization journey.

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James Ricchiuti
analyst

Got it. Final question, and I'll jump back in the queue. Early days, I know with Validate, but I'm just wondering what kind of traction do you anticipate from that over the next year?

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Riley McCormack
executive

It's hard to quantify it at this point. I can tell you we're having -- I chose the words very carefully of saying we're having conversations across the full gamut. We are talking to some very large, both on the content creator and content owner side as well as on the nodes side, on the detection point side, we are talking to the biggest of the big. We also expect that this will be a web sale opportunity, too, and so we have some smaller opportunities we're progressing as well.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Jeff Van Rhee with Craig-Hallum Capital.

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Jeff Van Rhee
analyst

Just back to the opportunity. I mean maybe just spend a minute or 2 more. At a very basic level, what -- how do you envision that rolling out? What kind of signings, what kind of pace of signings, what kind of vendors, use case? Just kind of what do you anticipate over -- I mean, you can be as precise as you like, but just how does France play out and really start moving the needle on revenue? How do you sort of over under? When does it really start to make a difference?

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Riley McCormack
executive

Yes. The wonderful thing about France is it's the first Digimarc Recycle country we've opened, so I don't have -- I'd like to stick with what we know as opposed to what we think. I can tell you that when you ask who the customers are, they're going to be the brands and retail, so people putting plastic packaging into the French market. So we'll see. We'll keep you all updated as we know more, but we're -- the -- and what is exciting about it is the initial interest are from the big companies. You saw a couple of the logos that were listed in the press release. That's the size of the company we're talking to.

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Jeff Van Rhee
analyst

You had the large win a couple of quarters ago and in there, you had some security printing customers in particular. How are those going? And any other follow-on similar to those working through the pipe?

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Riley McCormack
executive

Yes. So there is follow-on in the pipe, absolutely. When you said how is that going, that was what I referenced. If you remember that customer signed up or is using Illuminate to build 3 products. One of them is a deposit return scheme. And as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, I was in country maybe about a month ago, a few weeks ago, maybe about a month ago, and initial production of their logo is rolling out, being produced on very high volume, very iconic products. So it's going well.

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Jeff Van Rhee
analyst

Okay. And then just lastly, maybe open-ended because you said you tried to address your comments on the call for questions people are asking, but maybe just describe what's in the pipeline, what are you seeing, and how has that evolved in the last 6 months, if it wasn't already touched on.

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Riley McCormack
executive

You're talking about, I mean -- product mix? Or are you talking -- could you a little more specific?

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Jeff Van Rhee
analyst

Deals that are late in the pipeline now versus 6 months ago.

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Riley McCormack
executive

You mean how does it relate to where it was 6 months ago?

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Jeff Van Rhee
analyst

Yes.

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Riley McCormack
executive

It's growing. I mean, I think you can look at our ARR growth, right? We grew ARR 54%. And so there's -- and if you listen to -- if you look at what I said, we expect ARR growth to be greater in Q4 on a year-over-year basis than it was in Q3.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'll hand the floor back to Riley McCormack for closing remarks.

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Riley McCormack
executive

Well, thank you, Diego, and thank you, everybody, for joining us today. We hope you have a great rest of your day.

Operator

Thank you. And with that, we conclude today's conference call. All parties may disconnect. Have a great evening.

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