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Earnings Call Analysis

Q4-2023 Analysis
T2 Biosystems Inc

T2 Biosystems Earnings: Growth and Pipeline Progress

T2 Biosystems reported a full year revenue of $7.3 million with $6.7 million stemming from product sales in 2023, recording a 13% sequential quarterly growth toward year-end. The company expanded its T2Dx Instruments installation base globally to nearly 200 units. Looking forward to 2024, they expect to grow total sepsis-related revenues by 49% to 64%, targeting $10 to $11 million, not including potential T2Biothreat Panel or T2Lyme Panel sales. T2 Biosystems plans to commercialize four new test panels, including the FDA-cleared T2Bacteria Panel and T2Candida Panel for pediatric testing. They've already addressed production backorders and mitigated raw material issues, reducing debt by 20% and extending the term loan maturity to December 31, 2025. Cash equivalents totaled $15.7 million as of year-end 2023.

Tackling NASDAQ Compliance and Strengthening the Balance Sheet

The company faced a challenge with the NASDAQ's minimum Market Value of Listed Securities (MVLS) requirement, resolving to present a compliance plan during a hearing with the NASDAQ Panel. They expect a response soon and anticipate regaining compliance. A critical part of this plan includes converting nearly $15 million of debt into equity, which will reduce the company's long-term debt burden and interest expenses, signifying a strategic move to fortify the financial foundations.

Record Sales Growth and Expansion Strategy

In an impressive feat, the company achieved record T2Bacteria Panel sales in the U.S. market and saw a 13% sequential growth in sepsis product revenue from Q3 to Q4 of 2023. They added 26 T2Dx Instruments to their global installed base which is approaching 200, with clear intentions to keep building on this momentum. They announced plans to deepen market penetration and expand globally into new countries such as the Netherlands, Belgium, and Vietnam, reinforcing their commitment to spread their innovative diagnostics technology.

Innovative Product Pipeline

In looking ahead, the company is gearing up to launch four new test panels in 2024, including an expanded T2Bacteria Panel to address 75% of sepsis-causing bacterial pathogens. FDA clearances are anticipated for various product expansions, and there's an ongoing commitment to commercialize the T2Lyme Panel in 2024 as a laboratory developed test. These advancements in the product pipeline are part of a deliberate strategy to bolster the company's competitive edge and capitalize on new market opportunities.

Operational Improvements and Financial Outlook

Over the course of the year, the company honed their operations, improved inventory management, and reduced operating expenses. As of the end of 2023, they held $15.7 million in cash and equivalents and project a significant growth in sepsis-related product revenues, forecasting an increase of 49% to 64% for 2024. This predicted surge, which is slated to reach between $10 million to $11 million, demonstrates a confident outlook for the future, although it notably excludes any potential earnings from the anticipated T2Biothreat Panel or T2Lyme Panels.

Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2023-Q4

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Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the T2 Biosystems Preliminary Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]

It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Trip Taylor, Investor Relations. Sir, the floor is yours.

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Philip Taylor

Thank you, operator. I'd like to remind everyone that comments made by management today and answers to questions will include forward-looking statements. Those include statements related to T2 Biosystems' future financial and operating results and plans for developing and marketing new products. . Forward-looking statements are based on estimates and assumptions as of today and are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by these statements including the risks and uncertainties described in T2 Biosystems' annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC on March 31, 2023, and other filings the company makes with the SEC from time to time. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, except as required by law.

With that, I would like to turn the call over to Chairman and CEO, John Sperzel. John?

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John Sperzel
executive

Thank you all for joining our fourth quarter and full year 2023 results call. I'll start by discussing our plan to comply with the NASDAQ Listing requirements, including the proxy and press release that we are filing today. I will then review our 2023 progress, 2024 objectives across our 3 corporate priorities.

Before turning the call over to John Sprague, our Chief Financial Officer; who will review our financial results and provide our financial outlook for 2024. I will then provide closing remarks, and we'll open the call for questions and answers.

As a reminder, [Technical Difficulty] 2023, we received a letter from NASDAQ informing us that we had failed to comply with the Market Value of Listed Securities or MVLS of at least $35 million for a period of 30 consecutive business days. Today, we participated in a meeting with the NASDAQ Listing Qualifications Hearing Panel, and we presented a detailed plan to regain compliance with the $35 million MVLS requirement. We expect a response from NASDAQ in the coming weeks. Our NASDAQ compliance plan includes the following steps, which occurred today and which was previously approved by stockholders, included the conversion of 82,422 shares of Series B Convertible Preferred Stock held by our lender, CRG Servicing LLC or CRG into 824,220 shares of T2 Biosystems' common stock.

Step 2, which is also occurring today, includes the filing of a preliminary proxy seeking approval at a special meeting of stockholders to be held on April 11, 2024, to allow CRG to convert up to $15 million or nearly 37% of its term loan into T2 Biosystems' common stock. We expect the issuance of common stock and the cancellation of this portion of the term loan to occur within 10 days of the meeting.

Additionally, while not part of our NASDAQ compliance plan, we have numerous business catalysts that we will discuss shortly, which we believe can create value and increase the market value of our listed securities. We believe maintaining our NASDAQ listing is in the best interest of both the company and our stockholders as it maintains liquidity for stockholders, helps attract and retain key employees, broadens our access to capital and better positions the company for potential mergers and acquisitions.

Another benefit of our plan is that we are reducing the company's debt burden and thus lowering future interest payment expenses.

Now I'll shift gears to discuss our 2023 progress and our 2024 objectives across our 3 corporate priorities: accelerating our sales, enhancing our operations and advancing our pipeline.

Starting with our first corporate priority. Accelerating our sales. As a reminder, Sepsis continues to exact an enormous human and economic toll. Sepsis is the #1 cause of death in U.S. hospitals claiming the lives of 270,000 Americans annually, plus another 80,000 who die in hospice each year. Sepsis is the #1 cause of U.S. hospitalization costing our health care system an estimated $62 billion annually. Finally, Sepsis is the #1 cause of 30-day U.S. hospital readmission, causing 19% of sepsis survivors, to be rehospitalized within 30 days and 40% within 90 days.

Rapid detection of sepsis-causing pathogens is critical as mortality risk increases by up to 8% for each hour of delayed targeted antimicrobial treatment. T2 Biosystems has the only FDA-cleared products able to detect sepsis-causing pathogens directly from blood in 3 to 5 hours without the need to wait days for a positive blood culture.

In 2023, the T2 Biosystems team achieved full year total revenue of $7.3 million including product revenue of $6.7 million, and we achieved record T2Bacteria Panel sales in the U.S. market. We added 26 T2Dx Instruments to our growing installed base, which is now approaching 200 instruments globally, including 19 in international markets and 7 in the U.S. market.

In the fourth quarter of 2023, we achieved sepsis and related product revenue of $1.7 million, representing sequential growth of 13% compared to the third quarter and sales accelerated each month of the quarter.

Looking forward to 2024, our objectives include continuing to expand our installed base of T2Dx Instruments in the U.S. and international markets and increasing test panel revenue. We plan to increase test panel revenue by selling more products to existing customers, by selling to new customers in existing geographies and by expanding our international distribution network into new countries.

During 2024, we expect to commercialize 4 new test panels or tests which run on the FDA-cleared T2Dx instrument, including the expanded T2Bacteria Panel, the T2Candida Panel with a pediatric indication, the T2Biothreat Panel, and the T2Lyme Panel. We believe each of these products represents an opportunity to increase test utilization among existing customers and to attract new customers.

The expanded T2Bacteria Panel to include the detection of Acinetobacter baumannii, was developed using direct feedback from customers on which bacteria species are most important to identify. We expect this latest FDA clearance to drive increased adoption of our platform as the expanded test panel now covers nearly 75% of all sepsis-causing bacterial pathogens commonly found in bloodstream infections.

Rapid detection of these pathogens is essential to getting infected patients on the appropriate antimicrobial therapy and improving clinical outcomes. We're expecting a positive outcome on our FDA submission to expand the use of the T2Candida Panel to include pediatric testing. We believe an expanded claim for our FDA-cleared T2Candida Panel to include pediatric testing will drive increased adoption of our platform as it opens a new pediatric market segment and will allow clinicians to improve outcomes and reduce cost by achieving faster targeted antifungal treatment for their pediatric patients.

Following the FDA clearance of the T2Biothreat Panel in September 2023, which we developed in collaboration with the U.S. government or BARDA, we shifted our focus to commercialization.

Given the ongoing wars in Europe and the Middle East, the global population is in an increased risk of exposure to bioterrorism. The T2Biothreat Panel provides unique biothreat targets and we believe it offers unparalleled sensitivity and specificity, creating multiple opportunities for sales, including to the U.S. Laboratory Response Network, the U.S. Strategic National Stockpile, State Or Public Health Labs, other government agencies, international government allies.

Given our advances with the T2Lyme Panel, we intend to commercialize a laboratory developed test version of the T2Lyme Panel in 2024. Accordingly, we're exploring potential partners to capitalize on what we believe is a significant opportunity. Internationally, we sell our products through a network of distributors. During 2024, we expect continued expansion of our international distribution network.

Today, we announced that we have expanded distribution into the Netherlands, Belgium and Vietnam, and we've reentered the market in Switzerland through one of our existing distributors.

As part of our commercial growth strategy, we prioritized expanding our clinical evidence. We recently announced our collaboration with the NIH-funded Antibacterial Resistance Leadership Group, or ARLG to evaluate T2 Biosystems direct from blood diagnostic technology for the detection of ventilator-assisted pneumonia.

Specifically, the FDA-cleared T2Bacteria Panel and the T2Resistance Panel will be evaluated for the ability to detect infections in the blood currently missed by conventional methods in a prospective, observational, diagnostic feasibility study. The study will aid in exploring whether combined diagnostic testing can provide more targeted antimicrobial therapy, strengthen stewardship and improve outcomes, and we look forward to providing an update once available.

At IDWeek 2023 in October, our team presented new clinical data, encouraging early detection data for the T2Resistance Panel. The poster included data showing rapid detection of antibiotic resistance genes direct from whole blood samples by T2 Magnetic Resonance technology or T2MR. Oral and poster presentations demonstrating speed, accuracy and clinical benefits of the T2Dx instrument and T2 Biosystems sepsis panels were also presented by customers. Real-world performance [Technical Difficulty] products were highlighted as part of sepsis patient management.

We continue to appreciate our customer support, aiding in increasing awareness of both the clinical and economic benefits of our technology.

Moving to our second corporate priority, enhancing our operations. Throughout 2023, we made significant progress enhancing our operations. This included strengthening our operations leadership, mitigating raw material issues, improving manufacturing processes and addressing the sepsis test panel backorder.

I'm pleased to announce that we cleared all back orders for the T2Bacteria Panel and the T2Candida Panel in December 2023, and we cleared all back orders for the T2Resistance Panel in January 2024.

During 2023, we made material head count and operating expense reductions. We strengthened our balance sheet by reducing our debt by $10 million or approximately 20%, extended the interest-only period and maturity date of our term loan to December 31, 2025, and permanently reduced the minimum cash covenant from $5 million to $500,000.

Looking forward to 2024 [Technical Difficulty] earlier, strengthen our balance sheet following stockholder approval version of $15 million or nearly 37% of our term loan with CRG into T2 Biosystems equity.

In addition, we expect to reduce inventory levels to positively impact our balance sheet, reduce scrap, to increase efficiency and improve product gross margins, continue to improve on-time delivery of our T2Dx Instruments and sepsis test panels and complete the Oracle ERP system cutover.

Moving to our third priority, our pipeline. Reminder, we are applying our proprietary direct from blood technology to 3 areas: sepsis, bioterrorism and Lyme disease, which all share a critical need for rapid-pathogen detection and targeted-antimicrobial treatment. We've made significant advancements across our new product pipeline, which is focused on expanding the test menu on the FDA-cleared T2Dx instrument.

During 2023, we filed 3 FDA submissions and we have already received 2 FDA 510(k) clearances. First, we submitted a 510(k) premarket notification to the FDA for the T2Biothreat Panel. And we announced receipt of FDA 510(k) clearance in September 2023. As a reminder, the T2Biothreat Panel is a direct from blood, molecular diagnostic tests that runs on the FDA-cleared T2Dx Instrument and simultaneously detect 6 biothreat pathogens, including organisms that cause anthrax, tularemia, glanders, melioidosis [Technical Difficulty] typhus. These pathogens have been identified as threats by the CDC and if not treated promptly can have mortality rates of 40% to 90%.

Our clinical evaluation of the T2Biothreat Panel demonstrated positive percent agreement or sensitivity of 100% for all targets, except Francisella tularensis, which was 94.3% and demonstrated negative percent agreement or specificity for all 6 targets of 100%.

Second, we submitted a 510(k) premarket notification to the FDA for the expanded T2Bacteria Panel to include detection of Acinetobacter baumannii. And we announced receipt of FDA 510(k) clearance earlier this week.

As a reminder, the T2Bacteria Panel is the only FDA-cleared diagnostic test able to detect sepsis-causing bacterial pathogens directly from blood in just 3 to 5 hours without the need to wait days for a positive blood culture. The expanded T2Bacteria Panel now covers approximately 75% of all sepsis-causing bacterial pathogens commonly found in bloodstream infections including E. faecium, Staph aureus, [Technical Difficulty] pneumonia, Acinetobacter baumannii, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, E.coli.

In a large study of nosocomial bloodstream infections, Acinetobacter baumannii was the tenth most common pathogen and has a crude ICU mortality rate of 34% to 43%. Due to the emergence of pan-antibiotic-resistant Acinetobacter baumannii, the World Health Organization has identified Acinetobacter baumannii as the most critically important bacteria that requires improved prevention and therapeutic approaches. Acinetobacter resistance to many antibiotics, including carbapenems, highlights the importance of rapid detection and targeted antimicrobial treatment.

Third, in December 2023, we submitted a 510(k) premarket notification to the FDA to expand the use of the FDA-cleared T2Candida Panel to include pediatric testing.

As a reminder, the T2Candida Panel is the only FDA-cleared diagnostic test able to detect sepsis causing candida pathogens directly from blood in just 3 to 5 hours again, without the need to wait days for a positive blood culture. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention or CDC, up to 95% of all invasive candida infections in the U.S. are caused by the 5 candida species detected by the T2Candida Panel, including Candida albicans, Candida tropicalis, Candida parapsilosis, Candida krusei and Candida glabrata. Candida species are a major contributor to morbidity and mortality in hospitalized children and present a significant burden to the U.S. Health Care System with a mean increased hospital length of stay of 21 days and an estimated $92,000 in excess hospital costs for children with invasive candidiasis.

A 2022 Journal of Clinical Mycology (sic) [ Microbiology ] study conducted at Bambino Gesu Hospital in Rome, Italy, found that pediatric patients suspected of fungal bloodstream infections that were tested with the T2Candida Panel received Species Identification results 121.8 hours faster than compared to blood culture.

Looking forward to 2024, we expect continued advances in our pipeline. Following my comments on pediatric testing, as part of our commitment to expand the clinical utility of our sepsis test panels, we expect to receive FDA 510(k) clearance to expand the use of the T2Candida Panel to include pediatric testing. We also plan to submit a 510(k) premarket notification to the FDA to expand the use of the FDA-cleared T2Bacteria Panel pediatric testing.

In addition, we have 3 new tests in our pipeline, including the U.S. T2Resistance Panel, the T2Lyme Panel and the Candida auris test. Each of these new test panels or test is designed to run on our FDA-cleared T2Dx Instrument, and each of these 3 previously received FDA breakthrough device designation, which will provide for a prioritized FDA review upon submission.

The T2Resistance Panel is a direct from blood molecular diagnostic test designed to simultaneously detect 13 antibiotic resistance genes known to cause antibiotic-resistant infections in just 3 to 5 hours without the need to wait days for a positive blood culture.

We believe the T2Resistance Panel will be a very important addition to our expanding test menu as we expect it to be the first direct from blood or culture independent antimicrobial resistance test that can drive increased adoption of our platform. We have completed all external testing in the T2Resistance Panel U.S. clinical trial. We are now focused on internal stability and shelf life testing, and we expect to submit a 510(k) premarket notification to the FDA in the third quarter of 2024.

The T2Lyme Panel is a direct from blood molecular diagnostic test designed to detect Borrelia burgdorferi, the bacteria that's the major cause of Lyme disease in the U.S. There's a critical need for new Lyme disease diagnostics. With an estimated 476,000 cases annually, Lyme disease is by far the leading vector-borne disease in America. The current diagnostic process a 2-tiered antibody test algorithm originally developed in 1994 for disease surveillance [Technical Difficulty] as a stand-alone diagnostic test relies on the presence of antibodies and can only be used accurately 4 to 6 weeks after infection.

Early diagnosis of Lyme disease is critical. If left untreated, debilitating disease can spread throughout the body and become much harder to eradicate.

As we announced earlier this month, we've been selected as a Phase II winner in the LymeX Diagnostic Prize, and will receive $265,000 to help accelerate the development of our T2Lyme Panel for the early detection of Lyme disease. We appreciate the support from the Lyme Innovation Accelerator, or LymeX from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Steven & Alexandra Cohen Foundation.

As I mentioned earlier, we're advancing the T2Lyme Panel toward commercialization and plan the initial U.S. launch as a laboratory developed test or LDT. We're in discussion with potential laboratory partners, and we're exploring the potential to obtain non-dilutive grant-based funding to advance the T2Lyme Panel.

The Candida auris test is a direct from blood molecular diagnostic test designed to detect Candida auris species in just 3 to 5 hours without the need to wait days for a positive blood culture. We believe the addition of the Candida auris test will strengthen our value proposition and lead to increased adoption of our platform. Candida auris is a multidrug-resistant fungal pathogen that has a mortality rate up to 60% and is recognized as a serious global health threat by the CDC and World Health Organization. CDC estimates the costs associated with U.S. fungal diseases are as high as $48 billion annually and is called on public health professionals to help lower the burden of fungal disease by continuing to raise awareness of the life-saving benefits of early detection and proper treatment.

With that, I'll now turn the call over to John Sprague to provide a detailed update of our fourth quarter financial results and our financial outlook for 2024.

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John Sprague
executive

Thank you, John. Fourth quarter 2023 revenues were $1.7 million all from product sales, a 69% decrease compared to the prior year period, driven by lower international T2Dx Instrument sales and lower sepsis test sales due to production back orders. We resolved the production back orders in January 2024. Cash and cash equivalents were $15.7 million as of December 31, 2023.

In the fourth quarter of 2023, we raised $800,000 in net proceeds from ATM sales.

In October 2023, CRG extended the term loan agreement interest-only period and maturity date to December 2025 and reduced the minimum cash covenant from $5 million to $500,000. We expect total sepsis and related product revenues to grow between 49% and 64% to $10 million to $11 million in 2024 over 2023 and this target excludes any potential sales from our T2Biothreat Panel or T2Lyme Panels. Thank you, and back to John Sperzel for closing remarks.

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John Sperzel
executive

We made considerable progress across the business during 2023, increasing our global installed base of T2Dx Instruments generating record sales of our T2Bacteria Panel strengthening our supply chain and manufacturing operations, advancing multiple new product development initiatives and strengthening our balance sheet. We're very excited by the progress on our new product pipeline, which includes recent FDA 510(k) clearances for the expanded T2Bacteria Panel to include the detection of Acinetobacter baumannii, the T2Biothreat Panel and the pending FDA clearance to expand the T2Candida Panel to include pediatric testing.

Additionally, 3 of our products in our pipeline have received FDA breakthrough device designation including the U.S. T2Resistance Panel, the T2Lyme Panel and the Candida auris test. We believe we are very well positioned heading into 2024, and we remain focused on accelerating our sales, enhancing our operations and advancing our pipeline.

With that, I'd like to turn the call back to the operator to open the line for questions. Operator?

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question is coming from Ben Haynor from Alliance Global.

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Benjamin Haynor
analyst

Can you hear me okay?

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John Sperzel
executive

We can, Ben.

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Benjamin Haynor
analyst

All right. First off, just on the backlog, it sounds like most of it was clear by the end of the year, but the T2Resistance didn't clear until January. How much was the backlog at the end of the year? And kind of how much -- how many months would that have represented in T2Resistance?

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John Sperzel
executive

About $70,000 was the backlog on T2Resistance at the end of the year. As we mentioned, the backlog on T2Candida and T2Bacteria was 0, and it remains that. We have product on the shelf for all 3 of those test panels.

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Benjamin Haynor
analyst

So, don't expect any backlog issues in the -- at least in the near term?

J
John Sperzel
executive

We've put mitigations in place to protect that from happening, including people, resources and processes.

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Benjamin Haynor
analyst

Okay. Great. And then on T2Biothreat, that's been clear for a little while now. What kind of needs to chip before one of the organizations or entities that you mentioned you might see sort of the first order and once you sort of get the first order do a lot of -- a lot of folks follow suit for a lot of entities follow suit. What's the right way to think about that?

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John Sperzel
executive

Well, first thing I would say is just to remind everyone what I said on the scripted remarks, and that is that we have a really unique product here. We have unique targets on the panel, 3 of which appear on no one else's panel. And we believe we have a unique performance. The specificity is 100%. That means 0 false positive across our clinical evaluation and the sensitivity was 100% on 5 of the 6 targets. So we have unique targets, and we believe we have unparalleled performance. So we believe that makes us very well suited to supply this product to U.S. and other governments, state and local labs. As far as how long it takes to sell the product then, we're in the process of that right now, and we look forward to reporting sales results on the T2Biothreat Panel in the future.

B
Benjamin Haynor
analyst

And how soon might that future be?

J
John Sperzel
executive

We're working on it as we speak.

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Benjamin Haynor
analyst

Okay. Got it. And then just on the international distribution. You mentioned a handful of countries in the press release this afternoon and kind of how many number of sepsis cases each has on an annual basis. Is there a kind of a back of the envelope calculation on if there's x number of sepsis cases in a given geography in a year, that should necessitate y systems, the distributors think about when signing up?

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John Sperzel
executive

Sure, Ben. So I think as we've discussed in the past, sepsis doesn't discriminate. Big hospital, small hospital, well-developed country, less-developed country. It can impact patients in every single corner of the world and can impact hospitals in every corner of the world as well. So we continue to believe that every hospital in the world should have one of our instruments and should be using our test panels. That remains our goal.

From a distribution standpoint, our go-to-market strategy in the U.S. is to sell directly. We are exploring the potential to accelerate our commercialization through partnerships. And our go-to-market strategy internationally is to partner with generally a single exclusive distributor in a country or in multiple countries. We have some distributors that cover more than one country. And our goal is to continue to support them.

Generally speaking, our international distributors sell many more products, many of them sell complementary products or adjacent products in the sepsis space. So they know where to go. They've already established key opinion leaders. They have key reference accounts. So they don't start from a standing start. They start from a [ jog ] if you will, and we train them on our products and we support them from a medical affairs and a service perspective. So we're excited about the 4 countries that we have just announced expansion into, and we look forward to many more throughout 2024 and beyond.

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Benjamin Haynor
analyst

And then on Acinetobacter baumannii, congrats on getting that FDA clearance. What is the right way to think about it from a hospital standpoint on what that could do to utilization or adoption? Do you have potential accounts out there or -- that kind of just waiting on this addition to the panel? Or how big a deal is it been? it's probably only a handful of percent of the bloodstream infections such cases that are out there.

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John Sperzel
executive

The important aspect of Acinetobacter baumannii is its one of the ESKAPE pathogens. It's the A in ESKAPE and the ESKAPE pathogens are the ones that typically do not respond to broad-spectrum empiric therapy. So if a patient is on broad-spectrum antimicrobials and they have one of the test or one of the targets that's on our T2Bacteria Panel, they are generally not going to respond. And that's why we focused on those. . Acinetobacter itself adds about 5% more coverage on our test panel. So with 6 targets now, we're covering 75% of the bacterial organisms that are typically found in a bloodstream infection. And we think that, that's sufficient for now. The additional 25% they're well covered by broad-spectrum antibiotics and the blood culture companies can have those, we'll take the other 6.

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Benjamin Haynor
analyst

And then lastly for me, just kind of a housekeeping question. For shares outstanding post the CRG conversion of the existing share, preferred shares that they had, where does the share count stand today or post conversion?

J
John Sperzel
executive

John Sprague, do you want to take that?

J
John Sprague
executive

Yes. So Ben, we ended the year -- well, go back to Q3 because that's what we disclosed and the share count hasn't changed much since then. But we had at the Q3 -- suffer with me for a second.

U
Unknown Executive

Sure.

J
John Sperzel
executive

It should be about $4.85 million.

B
Benjamin Haynor
analyst

Okay. So basically, just the small amount of ATM sales and the conversion is the way [indiscernible].

Operator

There are no further questions in the queue. I will now hand the conference back to John Sperzel, Chairman and CEO, for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

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John Sperzel
executive

I'd like to thank you all for joining our Q4 2023 and full year 2023 earnings call. We look forward to updating you as we progress through 2024. Thank you, and have a good night.

Operator

Thank you, everyone. This concludes today's event. You may disconnect at this time, and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.

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