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Earnings Call Transcript
2019-Q3

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Operator

Good afternoon and welcome to the Verastem Oncology Third Quarter Financial Results Conference Call on Tuesday October 29th, 2019. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a question-and-answer to follow. Please be advised that this call is being recorded at the company's request and will be available on the company's website for a period of 90 days from today.

At this time, I would like to introduce Mr. John Doyle, Vice President of Investor Relations and Finance at Verastem Oncology. Please go ahead.

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John Doyle
Vice President of Investor Relations & Finance

Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us this afternoon to discuss Verastem Oncology's financial results and corporate update for the third quarter of 2019. I'm joined today by Brian Stuglik, Chief Executive Officer; Dan Paterson, President and Chief Operating Officer; and Rob Gagnon, Chief Financial and Business Officer.

During today's call, Brian will provide some opening comments and provide a corporate update; Dan will discuss a few clinical development highlights; and then Rob will provide an overview of our third quarter financial results. Brian will then provide some brief summary remarks before opening the call up for your questions. Earlier today, we issued a press release detailing our third quarter 2019 financial results. The release is available on our website at verastem.com.

Before we begin our formal comments, I'll remind you that we will be making forward-looking assertions during today's call that represent the company's intentions, expectations, or beliefs concerning future events which constitute forward-looking statements for the purpose of the Safe Harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

All forward-looking statements are subject to factors risks and uncertainties such as those detailed in today's press release announcing this call and in our filings with the SEC which may cause actual results to differ materially from the results expressed or implied by such statements.

In addition any forward-looking statements represent our views only as of the date of this recording and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. We specifically disclaim any obligations to update any such statements.

We refer you to the disclosure notice section in our earnings release we issued today and the risk factors section of the annual report on Form 10-K for a discussion of important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements.

With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Brian Stuglik. Brian?

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Brian Stuglik
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, John. Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining us on today's call. In 2019, Verastem Oncology has made continued progress in our mission to bring important new medicines to patients battling cancer.

Our lead drug COPIKTRA, known as duvelisib, just completed its fourth full quarter on the market and net revenues for the three months ended September 30th, 2019 were $4 million, a 33% increase over the prior quarter.

Year-to-date, COPIKTRA has generated revenues of $8.7 million and we remain on track to achieve the $12 million to $14 million that we previously guided for 2019. In addition to increasing quarter-over-quarter revenues, the number of prescribing physicians grew by 30% in the third quarter compared to the second quarter of 2019.

We continue to see solid progress across all of our commercial efforts including physician education and contracting. We are making progress in understanding and addressing market dynamics, identifying appropriate patients for treatment, and building strong access across the country.

Overall, we are highly encouraged by COPIKTRA's positive upward sales trajectory and we continue to believe in our peak annual sales estimates of $200 million to $300 million for the current indications for which it is approved including chronic lymphocytic leukemia, small lymphocytic lymphoma and follicular lymphoma.

That being said we recognize that the COPIKTRA sales ramp has been slower than expected. As such, we have determined that we need to better align our upcoming expenses with the current launch trajectory. To that end, we announced today that we will be reducing our 2020 operating expenses by approximately $25 million through a series of initiatives including the workforce reduction and lowering operating expenses.

Specifically, we will be eliminating approximately 40 current positions across all functions. These changes are designed to streamline operations, speed execution and optimize the field organization for improved account access and performance. We expect these changes to have minimal impact on top line revenue results.

The workforce reduction component of the initiative was completed this week. This reduction was a difficult decision, but based on our current plans and assumptions, we believe these changes give us the best opportunity to be successful with our stated 6-2-5 corporate plan.

In our last earnings call, we communicated our new “6-2-5” plan, which is the commitment to: first, COPIKTRA revenues on a positive upward trajectory and closing the gap between revenue and commercial spend within the first six months, which would be by the end of 2019. Second, to achieve cash-flow positive breakeven for both the COPIKTRA commercial and clinical programs within the next two years or by mid-2021. And third to broaden the indication for COPIKTRA and have at least one additional marketed product along with robust pipeline of assets in development within the next five years or by mid-2024.

Based on our current assumptions, these changes will help set us on a positive path that provides us with approximately 18 to 24 months cash runway to deliver on what we believe can be achieved with COPIKTRA. Collectively, the intent of these changes is to focus our spend on areas that will directly benefit COPIKTRA uptick in the market, ensure continuity of our development efforts, while condensing certain layers in the organization.

We recognize that the staff reduction personally impacts many talented employees and we wish to sincerely thank all those who are affected for their important contributions to the company. Importantly, we remain deeply committed to driving the adoption of COPIKTRA in the U.S. and to expanding this footprint both in other global geographies and in additional hematologic malignancy indications.

With that, I'll turn it over to Dan.

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Dan Paterson
President & Chief Operating Officer

Thank you, Brian. There have been multiple positive developments on the business development clinical and regulatory fronts. For the BD front in July, we executed a new strategic ex-U.S. partnership an exclusive license agreement with Sanofi to Development and Commercialize COPIKTRA in Russia and CIS, Turkey, the Middle East and Africa for a total of 78 countries. Under the terms of this agreement, we received an upfront payment of $5 million and we're eligible to receive aggregate future payments of up to $42 million if certain development and sales milestones are successfully achieved.

We're also eligible to receive double-digit percentage royalties based on future net sales of COPIKTRA in the licensed territories. On the regulatory front, we're planning to submit a marketing authorization application to the European Medicines Agency seeking approval for duvelisib in patients with relapsed or refractory CLL/SLL and FL by the end of the year.

Duvelisib recently received orphan drug designation from the FDA for use in the treatment of T-cell lymphoma. Duvelisib is not currently approved for the treatment of T-cell lymphoma, however, we're currently conducting the registration-directed Phase 2 PRIMO study in patients with relapsed or refractory T-cell lymphoma, an aggressive type of lymphoma to further characterize its efficacy and tolerability in this population.

The dose-optimization, dose-selection portion of the PRIMO study was completed earlier this year and we submitted the data for presentation at the upcoming American Society of Hematology 2019 annual meeting in December. The registration directed portion of the PRIMO study is currently ongoing and is to be conducted in the U.S., Europe and Japan.

We also made progress recently with our global duvelisib partners. In early October, Yakult Honsha dosed the first patient in a Phase 1b Japanese bridging study, evaluating COPIKTRA in patients with relapsed or refractory CLL/SLL following at least one prior therapy. Their multicenter open-level Phase 1b study is expected to enroll approximately 10 patients and the primary endpoint of the study is objective response rate.

Secondary endpoints of the study include overall survival, progression-free survival and safety. This study is expected to serve as a bridging study based on the efficacy and safety observed in Verastem Oncology's Phase 3 DUO study and if successful, the results of Yakult's bridging study are expected to form the basis of a regulatory submission for COPIKTRA for the treatment of relapsed or refractory CLL/SLL in Japan.

Also on the global development front, dubelisib is partnered with CSPC Pharmaceutical Group in China. We currently expect CSPC to dose the first patient in their bridging study by the end of 2019. Throughout third quarter and to the early part of the fourth quarter, Verastem and its external collaborators have been actively generating and presenting supportive duvelisib data at medical meetings.

A total of seven duvelisib abstracts were presented at two medical oncology meetings, the 18th Annual International Workshop on Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia and the Society of Hematologic Oncology 2019 Annual Meeting.

Collectively the presented abstracts highlighted a wide range of duvelisib clinical data including data from the Phase 3 DUO study in patients with relapsed or refractory CLL/SLL, dose modification data from the Phase 3 DUO study, data from a post hoc analysis evaluating the effect of COPIKTRA on lymphocytosis, including with patients with high risk factors and data from the Phase 2 DYNAMO study on patients with refractory marginal zone lymphoma. These presented data continue to support the ongoing development of COPIKTRA.

And finally, important preclinical research was presented at the Fifth International Conference on New Concepts in Lymphoid Malignancies. The presented data showed superior anticancer activity of the dual PI3K-delta/gamma inhibitor duvelisib, compared to the PI3K-delta inhibitor idelalisib in preclinical models of mantle cell lymphoma.

As we stated previously, our long-term goal is to expand duvelisib development into additional lymphoid malignancy indications and these preclinical data support the future study of duvelisib through clinical trials in patients with MCL.

In addition to these ongoing studies, we’re also working towards initiation of three company-sponsored studies. One is randomized Phase 2 open-label intermittent dosing study, which will be named TEMPO and will evaluate the effect of planned 2-week dosing holidays on tumor response and safety in patients with relapsed or refractory indolent non-Hodgkin lymphoma, who've received at least one prior systemic therapy.

The purpose of this study is to build on the data previously presented at medical meetings that show that dose interruptions are an effective means of managing side effects and keeping patients on therapy without impacting efficacy. We recently received IRB approval for this multicenter study, which is expected during to enroll approximately 100 patients and will commence by the end of this year.

The second study is a Phase Ib2 study, which will combine duvelisib with the PD-1 inhibitor pembrolizumab in patients with head and neck squamous cell carcinoma. The immunomodulatory effect of duvelisib's dual PI3K inhibition that was previously seen in preclinical research provides the rationale for this combination. We look forward to further exploring the effects of this combination in the clinic and we expect this study to commence by the end of this year.

And third, we're in final preparation phase for the confirmatory Phase III DUO study aimed at converting the accelerated approval of COPIKTRA in FL into full approval. We're working with the FDA on final details and we expect to commence this study by the end of the year.

Now I'd like to turn the call over to Rob for the financials.

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Rob Gagnon
Chief Financial & Business Officer

Thank you, Dan. Since we issued a press release earlier today, outlining our third quarter financial results, I'll just review the highlights. And to supplement our GAAP financial results, we have prepared and presented non-GAAP financial measures to help provide additional transparency and period-over-period comparability with respect to the company's operating performance.

We use these measures among other factors to assess and analyze operational results and trends and to make financial and operational decisions. A reconciliation between the non-GAAP financial measures and the most comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the tables accompanying the press release.

The reconciling items include executive severance and separation costs as well as significant non-cash charges and expenditures reflected in the income statement related to the stock-based compensation non-cash interest expense and amortization of acquired intangibles.

I'll now start with revenue. Total revenue for the three months ended September 30, 2019 or the 2019 quarter was $9 million. Net product revenue for the 2019 quarter was $4 million. That compares to $0.5 million for the three months ended September 30, 2018 or the 2018 quarter, following the FDA's approval of COPIKTRA on September 24, 2018.

License and collaboration revenue for the 2019 quarter was $5 million compared to $15 million for the 2018 quarter. The 2018 quarter included license revenue of $15 million related to an upfront payment pursuant to license and collaboration agreement executed between Verastem and CSPC in September 2018, partially offset by a $5 million upfront payment received pursuant to a license and collaboration agreement executed between Verastem and Sanofi in July 2019.

Total operating expenses for the 2019 quarter were $35.1 million compared to $41.4 million for the second quarter of 2019 and compare to $37.1 million for the 2018 quarter. Non-GAAP operating expenses for the 2019 quarter were $32.8 million compared to $36.2 million for the second quarter of 2019 and compare to $35 million for the 2018 quarter.

Research and development expense for the 2019 quarter was $12.2 million compared to $11.6 million for the 2018 quarter. The increase of $0.6 million or 5.2% was primarily related to the timing of CRO cost.

Selling, general, and administrative expense for the 2019 quarter was $22.2 million compared to $25.4 million for the 2018 quarter. The decrease of $3.2 million or 12.6% was primarily due to a decrease of $2.3 million in consulting and professional fees, primarily related to the support of launch activities in the 2018 quarter and a decrease of $0.9 million in personnel-related costs including noncash stock-based compensation.

Interest expense for the third quarter of 2019 was $5 million which is mainly comprised of interest related to the convertible notes. Net loss for the 2019 quarter was $30.1 million or $0.41 per share compared to $21.7 million or $0.29 per share for the 2018 quarter and $42.2 million or $0.57 per share for the second quarter of 2019.

Non-GAAP adjusted net loss for the 2019 quarter was $26.2 million or $0.35 per share compared to non-GAAP adjusted net loss of $19.4 million or $0.26 per share for the 2018 quarter and $35.7 million or $0.48 per share for the second quarter of 2019. And as of September 30th, 2019, Verastem had cash and investments of $160.2 million compared to $249.7 million of cash and investments as of December 31st, 2018.

As Brian mentioned earlier, we are reiterating our 2019 net revenue guidance as we continue to expect COPIKTRA sales to come in at between $12 million and $14 million. This estimate is based on net product revenue to-date, current run rates, and near-term expectations.

Based on our current operating plans and assumptions, we expect our operating expenses for the full year of 2020 to be in the range of $110 million to $115 million. Looking ahead, we anticipate providing preliminary 2020 net product revenue guidance during our year end 2019 earnings call.

With that, I'll now turn the call back to Brian for closing remarks.

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Brian Stuglik
Chief Executive Officer

Thanks Rob. I will now review our key upcoming goals and priorities for the months and quarters ahead. Our key priorities are as follows; one, executing on the "6-2-5" plan; two, continuing to execute on the commercial launch of COPIKTRA; three, pursuing regulatory approval in Europe where we expect to submit our MAA by the end of 2019; four, initiating the TEMPO study by the end of 2019; five, initiating the confirmatory Phase 3 DUETTO study, evaluating duvelisib for the treatment of patients with relapsed or refractory follicular lymphoma that confirmatory study is also expected to start by the end of 2019; six, conducting the registration-directed portion of the Phase 2 PRIMO study in patients with relapsed or refractory PTCL for which the dose-optimization dose-selection portion is now complete and the data have been submitted to ASH 2019 for presentation in December; and seven initiating the Phase Ib2 combination study investigating duvelisib and the PD-1 inhibitor pembrolizumab in patients with head and neck squamous cell carcinoma by the end of 2019.

In closing, I would just like to reiterate that we remain deeply committed to bringing COPIKTRA to patients with these devastating hematologic malignancies. With the announcements made today, we believe that the 18- to 24-month runway will allow us to continue to progress COPIKTRA in its current indications and ensure continuity of our development efforts. We believe we have the right people and right plan in place to maximize the value for both COPIKTRA and Verastem Oncology and for all stakeholders. We look forward to keeping you updated on our progress in the months and quarters ahead.

With that, we'll now open the call up for your questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Alethia Young with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now open.

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Emma Nealon
Cantor Fitzgerald

Hi. This is Emma on for Alethia. So with your plans to streamline and reduce OpEx, how many of the 40 positions that you eliminated were sales reps? And can you give us a sense of what percentage of overall sales force that represent?

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Rob Gagnon
Chief Financial & Business Officer

Yes. Thank you for the question. This is Rob. So of the 40 heads approximately 14 or so fell within the sales organization. And if you recall, when we started the launch, we had about 50 sales reps in the field. So that's the numbers there as far as restructuring on the commercial sales force.

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Brian Stuglik
Chief Executive Officer

Yes. And then I would just add to Rob's comments that when we look at our deployment plan now, we actually are going to cover those offices. Our focus will be mostly now on the high-volume offices. And this move also allows us to put some of our very best sales representatives on newer accounts.

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Emma Nealon
Cantor Fitzgerald

Great. That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Robert Hazlett with BTIG. Your line is now open.

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Jake Colby
BTIG

Yeah. Hi, guys. This is Jake on the line for Bert. Thanks for the question. I was just wondering may -- could you talk a little bit about your strategy for Europe in light of this current restructuring? And then maybe could you comment on I guess where you are with enrollment in PRIMO? And when we may see data there? Thank you.

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Dan Paterson
President & Chief Operating Officer

Yes. So this is Dan. I will say we've not given guidance on how long PRIMO will take to be done. I will say, we are ahead of our internal projections and continue to be optimistic. I think once we have a little more of a track record on the expansion phase we'll give guidance on that.

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Jake Colby
BTIG

Thanks. And then I guess just on Europe. Just your thoughts on taking it yourself or potentially looking a partner in that geography?

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Dan Paterson
President & Chief Operating Officer

Yes. So we are doing the filing ourselves. We've not made a final decision. We're in discussions with potential partners. We obviously understand what it would take if we did it ourselves and we'll make the decision probably sometime after filing.

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Jake Colby
BTIG

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Swayampakula Ramakanth with H.C. Wainwright. Your line is now open.

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Swayampakula Ramakanth
H.C. Wainwright

Thank you. Thanks for the call and congratulations on the progress. I'm just trying to understand your guidance versus your commentary. You seem to be comfortable with the increase in the prescribers and also your general overall positive commentary on your current sales.

But if I look at your guidance, it basically is quite similar to the $4 million that you recognized in this quarter. So I'm just trying to understand how I would triangulate your commentary versus your guidance versus what we should expect in the fourth quarter in terms of sales on COPIKTRA?

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Rob Gagnon
Chief Financial & Business Officer

Hi, RK, this is Rob. Thank you for the question. Yes. Just to go back, as we stated, we were committed to delivering on the $12 million to $14 million that we last communicated back in Q2. It's still -- I know it's been over a year it's still quite early in the overall launch in determining the trajectory. And this is going to be really our first fourth quarter and year-end post launch. I know the product launched very late in September but it was early month last year.

So there is a little bit unknown in terms of seasonality and how December will affect the numbers. So at this point we felt like the right thing to do is just reiterate the guidance and stay the course because it is just still a little bit early in determining the fourth quarter impact.

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Swayampakula Ramakanth
H.C. Wainwright

Okay. And then another question on the sales. And also what you think is the total value of this drug in terms of sales? If you -- if we analyze where you are right now, we're looking at like $16 million a year. But you still feel your peak sales could somewhere between $200 million and $300 million. So what's the difference? What's missing? Obviously you've spent a solid year in trying to get this drug launched effectively. But how should I think about going from here to $200 million or $250 million? And what are the things that one should expect to see if we need to get there?

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Rob Gagnon
Chief Financial & Business Officer

Yes. Thanks again for that follow-up RK. It's Rob. I'll start and then Brian and Dan may want to add. But keep in mind, in the second quarter sales grew at a pretty good pace it was about 80% and in the third quarter we continued to experience a good high growth rate quarter-over-quarter.

It's difficult to predict in the short-term on a quarter-by-quarter basis just where that trend will go. But we're confident that we will continue to experience a pretty good growth rate in the fourth quarter and into next year.

And when we talk about the peak sales of $200 million to $300 million that was really in reference to year four or five post launch. And so we're making progress against that and we still have ways to go but that's how we are thinking about peak sales that would come in probably after the fourth year maybe the fifth year of launch.

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Brian Stuglik
Chief Executive Officer

Yes. And then RK to build on Rob's commentary, we believe there's about 20,000 or so third-line FL and CLL patients. And when we launched a year ago, we didn't necessarily have all the infrastructure, processes, relationships and people in place. And so over the past year, we've been doing. improving each of those, starting first with improving thought leaders support and experience. We didn't go through this quarter but we do have a number of investigator sponsored studies where we're beginning to see that strong thought leader support.

Second with many of our big accounts, we're trying to secure COPIKTRA as the PI3 of choice through the EMR systems and getting that top spot in those EMR systems.

And then third, we're continuing to move to this account-based selling, which will get us focused in the much larger accounts.

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Swayampakula Ramakanth
H.C. Wainwright

So, sorry to just keep questioning on the sales, but just one last question from me. I'm just again I'm trying to figure out if you are removing 30% of your sales force from the 50 you started off. But at the same time you were hoping for growth in the coming years. So, can you just give us a little bit more color as to yes, it's a good thing but it won't impact top-line, I'm just trying to understand how that works?

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Dan Paterson
President & Chief Operating Officer

This is Dan. I think as Brian mentioned, one of the things we've started within the last quarter to focus a lot more on is really the large practices and the large accounts. And I wouldn't reason exactly from the numbers of 50 to 36 on the sales force because we've changed some roles and we have people that were in say market access roles before that are now focusing on these big accounts. And so we're putting much more attention on them.

One of the things frankly that we found is the company that was new to this market and didn't have the existing relationships with the big practices is there's somewhat of an inverse relationship between access and practice size. And we can get into the smaller practices where they might see one to four patients a year and didn't have nearly enough access into the bigger practices. And that's been the renewed focus. And I think that would give us confidence that the opportunity is still there.

If you think of how these prescriptions grow, you get a first prescription the doctor has a good experience and he gets the next patient, it's hard for that to catch a lot of tailwinds when the doctor sees one to four of those kinds of patients a year. You need to get into the places that have the critical mass and we've really doubled down on efforts around that within the last quarter or so.

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Brian Stuglik
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. The last thing to build on Dan's answer is it's also in today's commercial world a multichannel approach. So we're upping our digital efforts. We are expanding our programs through the group purchasing organizations. And what we didn't necessarily talk about yet is we're also adding a nurse educator role to expand education within the doctor's office. So when you look at all those efforts and we take a step back on the total impact of share of voice in the marketplace, we don't believe this is going to be a significant impact on those efforts.

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Swayampakula Ramakanth
H.C. Wainwright

Thank you. Thanks for taking all my questions.

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Dan Paterson
President & Chief Operating Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Matthew Cross with Jones Trading. Your line is now open.

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Matthew Cross
Jones Trading

Hey guys, congrats on the earning speed. And thanks for taking a couple from me. Following up on what I think RK was getting at a bit, but getting maybe specific about the six-month portion of the 6-2-5 plan is I think that offers some read through to success on your two and five-year goals. I was hoping to get a little bit of clarity around what amount of revenue to expense differential you consider a success in that timeframe?

I know you've announced you will be cutting $25 million in expenses, which will certainly help bring down burn close to the top line revenue, but since that's a 2020 initiative and you've reiterated sales guidance of $12 million to $14 million for this year burning about $30 million a quarter, $120 million on annualized basis. It seems like a rather large gap to close. I'm just trying to understand what more immediate cost savings or sales inflections you're expecting over the next two months to meet that six-month goal? You brought down SG&A pretty substantially quarter-over-quarter. And so should we expect that to continue or what specifics help get you there?

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Rob Gagnon
Chief Financial & Business Officer

Yeah, Matt. Thanks for the question. This is Rob. I'll start. So I just want to make sure it's clear the goal was within six months to have sales on a trajectory that would allow the company to achieve cash flow breakeven for the COPIKTRA franchise within two years. So we stated that goal back in the June quarter, so that would put it in June of 2021.

We haven't communicated exactly what we would consider to be exact success on that glide path, but as we continue to grow a good double-digit growth rate quarter-over-quarter, we're making progress against that goal. And as you can see, as we've announced today, we're taking action to significantly reduce the operating expenses and streamline the organization to bring those two numbers closer.

We haven't given quarterly guidance around operating expenses, but as you've seen in previous quarters, the expenses tend to be somewhat straight line. There's a little bit of lumpiness over the summer months. But for the most part if you take that guidance of $110 million to $115 million, it would be a very good straight-line type allocation if you wanted to estimate that impact or that estimate on a quarterly basis.

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Matthew Cross
Jones Trading

Great. Okay. Now that's very helpful. I appreciate that Rob. And just to clarify, is it fair to assume that since -- some of this headcount reduction just occurred, you said in the last week. Is that something that we would see reflected in the next quarter? Or is that kind of part of the reduction we saw this quarter?

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Dan Paterson
President & Chief Operating Officer

So a lot of those actions took place this week. And so you should expect to see the benefit of those changes for two of the three months within the quarter and the full year effect of those changes next year.

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Matthew Cross
Jones Trading

Perfect. Appreciate that housekeeping. And then just wanted to touch on the DUETTO study that you have announced -- planning to begin by the end of this year. Is there some sort of rather timeframe here? I mean, something you guys are going to have quite a lot beginning by the end of the year. Is there anything you can say about the design for that trial? Should we expect this to be a pretty standard combination dose-escalation design? Is there any insight into what the combination-dosing schedule might look like extrapolating from what you saw pre-clinically? And anything you're looking to avoid or that this particular area of interest in terms of toxicities that might emerge there?

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Rob Gagnon
Chief Financial & Business Officer

Yeah. We've not really commented on the design of the study. We're finalizing things with the FDA. I think right around the time we start we would be disclosing the design.

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Matthew Cross
Jones Trading

Okay. Fair enough. Thanks guys. Appreciate the answer here.

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Rob Gagnon
Chief Financial & Business Officer

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

Thank you. And at this time, I'd like to turn the call back to CEO, Brian Stuglik for any closing remarks.

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Brian Stuglik
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you very much. With that, I would like to thank everyone again for dialing in to today's call. Have a great day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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