Zenvia Inc

NASDAQ:ZENV

Earnings Call Analysis

Earnings Call Transcript 2023-Q3

[Operator]

Welcome to Zenvia Q3 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Today's speakers are Mr. Cassio Bobsin, Zenvia's Founder and CEO; and Mr. Shay Chor, CFO and Investor Relations Officer. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded, and a replay will be available at the company's IR website, when you can also access today's presentation. [Operator Instructions] Now I would like to welcome one of our speakers for today, Mr. Cassio Bobsin Founder and CEO. Sir, the floor is yours.

[Cassio Bobsin Machado, executive]

Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us at Zenvia's Third Quarter 23 Earnings Call. Thank you all for being with us today. Our results for the third quarter showed the consistency of Zenvia's strategy as we continue to balance growth and profitability. During this quarter, we were able to accelerate revenue growth, especially in the CPaaS business while maintaining healthy profitability levels. This set of recent results attached to our ability to quickly adapt to various market scenarios while continuing to invest in new technologies, such as Generative AI to strengthen Zenvia platform and exceed expectations of our customers. We completed the integration of Movidesk in the second quarter. And recently began the integration of SenseData's team and processes, which we expect to complete throughout 2024. Our strategic acquisitions are allowing us not only to expand our portfolio and market presence but also to bring more value to our customers who are starting to benefit from our end-to-end solutions being deeply integrated and bundled. That led us to our One Zenvia Vision, which we briefly shared last quarter. that is to combine all of our solutions to and technologies into a unified customer experience platform, enabling all of our customers to provide fluid personal and engaging experiences for its end customers. We'll benefit from our regional leadership on the CPaaS market and its new technological advances with the power of our CX solutions coming both from R&D and M&A initiatives into a unified offering that is expected to be rolled out throughout 2024. As I mentioned, the CPaaS market continues to advance as demonstrated by our partnership with Google for the launch of Google Message's RCS or Rich Communication Service. We're incredibly excited by the potential of RCS as a natural evolution of SMS, bringing rich interactive content that boosts marketing campaign results as comparing to traditional SMS. By the end of 2023, Google expects to reach 1 billion RCS users, making it an opportunity that we must capitalize on. We are highly motivated by the ongoing evolution of our platform and its potential. As we look forward to sharing more information with you in the coming months. Now I'll hand it over to Shay to cover our performance in the third quarter.

[Shay Chor, executive]

Thank you, Cassio. Hello, everyone, and thanks for being with us today. Let's start on Slide 5. I'll start by saying that the third quarter results attest to the consistency of our strategy to balance revenue growth and profitability despite the complex microeconomic climate in Brazil. During this quarter, we delivered double-digit top line growth in both SaaS and CPaaS while maintaining healthy margins. Specifically in CPaaS, we saw an opportunity to gain market share with certain large enterprise customers. We believe this move is instrumental to set the foundation that will allow us to cross-sell our SaaS products in the near future, evolving from bundled packages to one single unified offering. This is what we're calling One Zenvia. Now looking into the numbers. Total revenue increased 21% year-over-year to BRL 219 million from a fairly stable client base of 13,600 clients. We registered growth in our SaaS business across all customer profiles, while the growth in our CPaaS business was mainly driven by the expanded SMS volumes with large enterprise customers, as I just explained. Gross profit reached BRL 83.9 million, down 3.1% year-over-year with gross margin decreasing 9.6 percentage points to 38.4%. Due to lower margins in both segments. In the SaaS segment, the lower profitability is a result of the still complex macroeconomic environment. Which is mainly affecting our consulting businesses. While our large enterprise customer remain cautious on their investment decision during this quarter, we have already seen early signs of improvement in Q3, but the higher impact will be seen in Q4 2023. In the CPaaS business, as I just mentioned, we saw an opportunity to accelerate revenues and gain market share with strategic large enterprise customers, while keeping profitability at healthy levels. To test our strategy to balance top line growth and profitability is paying off. We delivered an EBITDA of BRL 16.5 million in the quarter, up from BRL 9.9 million in Q3 of '22, marking the fifth quarter in a row of positive EBITDA. Let's now take a look at our key financials for the first 9 months of 2023. Looking at the first 9 months of 2023, makes it even easier to understand our decision to accelerate revenue growth in the quarter while maintaining profitability at healthy levels. Revenue growth in the quarter led to a catch-up in the first 9 months of the year when compared to the same period of 2022. And at the same time, we saw strong margins across the business lines that led to a gross profit growth of 13% year-over-year and gross margin growth of 4.5 percentage points to 44.1%. Moreover, normalized EBITDA in the first 9 months of '23 reached almost BRL 56 million compared to Zero in the same period of last year. On a reported basis, our EBITDA was BRL 55 million, an improvement of BRL 80 million when compared to the negative BRL 24.9 million reported in the first 9 months of '22. We'll talk about EBITDA in more detail soon. Our stronger EBITDA and better working capital management led to solid operating cash flow of almost BRL 124 million in the 9 months period. Now let's compare the third quarter of '23 to the second quarter of the year, which shows our continued progress in growing revenues. Here on this slide, we can see that sequentially, we grew consolidated revenues by 13.3% with double-digit increase in both segments. This was driven by the recovery in profitable SMS volumes from some CPaaS large enterprise clients, but also due to the growth of our SaaS business. It is all important to remind you that our CPaaS is a mature business. And our strategy is to have the cash generation from the CPaaS business funding the expansion of our SaaS business. Despite that, we may come across with opportunities to gain market share at healthy profitable levels, which was the case in the third quarter. While this may create some volatility in the contribution of CPaaS to the revenue line, it does not affect the trend of having SaaS increasing as a percentage of gross profit, as you can see in the next slide. As you can see here, all the CPaaS contribution to the top line was higher in the third quarter when compared to 9 months results, the trend on gross profit is the other way around. While we continue to be the undisputed leader in CPaaS in the region, it is important to remind you that CPaaS is a volume-based business, and therefore, volatile in nature. Reason why we decided to pivot the business to add value to the channels in first place. In terms of size, our CPaaS business ended September with an annual recurring revenue of BRL 232 million. On the negative side, the downsell in large enterprise in our consulting business will net revenue expansion down to 102% compared to 120% in Q2 of '22. As I explained earlier, we have already seen early signs of improvement in the conversion of our sales cycle to large enterprise customers in Q3, but we expect most of the impact to positively impact revenues in Q4. Let's now see how our margins were form within this strategy. On this slide, we can see the performance of both businesses in terms of profitability in the first 9 months of '23 compared to the same period of last year. If we isolated quarter of '23, our gross profit for both businesses went down year-over-year, mainly due to lower gross profit from large enterprise customers in CPaaS. However, when we look at the results accumulated in the first 9 months of the year, we see solid performance in both businesses with increased margins, demonstrating our ability to navigate this dynamic competitive environment without losing focus on the medium and long-term profitability. The performance of our CPaaS business in the first 9 months of the year has been above our expectations. Given our leadership in the Brazilian SMS market and the more balanced market dynamics, we've been able to leverage a more efficient cost structure to gain market share with certain strategic large enterprise customers, which led to the strong recovery in SMS volumes with healthy profitability levels. CPaaS also delivered a solid 13% increase in gross profit when compared to the first 9 months of '22, reaching a gross margin of 33.2%, up 5 percentage points. We are confident that this strategy will help us improve our relationship with these customers, allowing us to capitalize on cross-selling and up-selling opportunities. Also, our SaaS business, despite facing the downsell in the large enterprise in our consulting business, reach BRL 134 million in gross profit in the first 9 months of the year, a 13% increase compared to the first 9 months of '22. And reaching a gross margin of nearly 64%. This is mainly related to revenue growth and the consolidation of Movidesk. Moving to the next slide. We highlight our EBITDA evolution in the second quarter of '22, which is a direct result of the decision to pivot saving to a SaaS company and focus on improving profitability. It has not been easy, particularly given the complex macro environment, but as you can see, our strategy is paying off with the third quarter of '23 marking the fifth consecutive quarter of positive EBITDA. EBITDA was positive BRL 16.5 million in the quarter, up from BRL 9.9 million a year ago and BRL 15 million in Q2 of '23. The stronger EBITDA is mainly related to the gross profit expansion I just explained, coupled with the execution of our savings plan initiated in July '22. The disciplined execution of this efficiency plan led to an 8.4% drop in nominal G&A expenses, reducing the ratio of G&A as a percentage of revenue to 16.7% in 9 months from '23. From 18.5% in 9 months of '22. Also in Q3 '23, we had a BRL 0.6 million impact from noncash earn out expense related to SenseData. Year-to-date, our EBITDA already totals BRL 55.7 million, on track to meet the guidance for the full year. In fact, our last 12 months EBITDA of BRL 79 million is already within the guidance range. In terms of cash flow, we ended September '23 with a solid cash balance of nearly BRL 120 million, in line with the previous quarter and a direct result of our focus on cash preservation without jeopardizing and sustainable growth. The combination of stronger EBITDA and assorted control of working capital was enough to pay for capital expenditure and debt service accumulated in the year. Now let's discuss our guidance for 2023. To finish, I would just like to reiterate the guidance we previously set for 2023 as we are confident with our performance so far, and we are expecting a good Q4, which normally boost our revenue and will positively impact our EBITDA, which, as I just said, is already on track to meet in the guidance. With this, we conclude our prepared remarks and we are ready to take your questions.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions].

[Shay Chor, executive]

You got one here on the webcast. Can you comment on your consulting business and why it has been so difficult to make it work.

[Cassio Bobsin Machado, executive]

We're going to take this one. So when we are addressing the enterprise market this year has been a tough year, a tough environment, which means decision-making cycles are taking lower than expected. That's why, even though we're bringing new enterprise customers, especially to our SaaS offerings, it is taking longer than expected to ramp up their revenues. And we expect in the next couple of quarters, to get this on track, especially as we're seeing new logos coming and new projects being up under launch phase. It's still not bringing our results, but we expect the next couple of quarters to have a higher flow of enterprise customers coming and impacting our revenues.

[Shay Chor, executive]

Thank you, Cassio. So I'll keep going here. We saw an acceleration of CPaaS in the third quarter, seems completely different from H2 of last year. Can you comment on this different dynamic?

[Cassio Bobsin Machado, executive]

Sure. Last year, we had a very tough competition on the CPaaS in space of being -- talking about last about that in the last couple of quarters. We were able to get back with a more competitive approach this year. So that's why we're getting back our market share and also advancing more than we had in the past and with profitability. So we'll be able to combine more aggressiveness on the market with a positive flow of cash coming from this business. We see the market -- even though -- it is a mature business. It still has lots of opportunities for us, considering we are the largest players in the region. So we're able to -- being able to benefit from that position in the market to bring especially big customers that are driving their growth on the space with Zenvia. And these same customers we're exploring new opportunities with them to also advance more into the solutions side, which means the SaaS revenues between within the same customers. So we're getting more presence on the CPaaS space, and we expect that in the short to midterm to also benefit us on the SaaS market as well.

[Shay Chor, executive]

Thanks. Can you give us an update on earnouts due next year? Have you been able to restructure any more of those? Are you trying to restructure some of your debt? So I'll take this one. Yes, as we've been discussing with you since Q2 of this year, we've been discussing with all our creditors, banks and including the seller's finance to restructure. Continue restructuring as we did. This is an ongoing conversation. We have time helping us here because markets seem to be improving somewhat in terms of credit and funding alternatives. And due to our effort in generating EBITDA, but also having a very strict control of working capital, we've been able to push our cash and our liquidity to put us in a better position to renegotiate that. So we hope to have -- to give you news on this sooner than later, but we continue being comfortable with the timing of those renegotiations. Another one for you here, Cassio. We saw a hype with ChatGPT and AI. Following that hype, what has changed or evolved? What trends are you seeing?

[Cassio Bobsin Machado, executive]

We're seeing that -- what we had at the beginning, which is the beginning of the hype curve is a thought that it would dramatically change everything in a very short term as every new technology that's just initial hype. But what we're seeing is that -- the benefits and the use of Generative AI into our solutions is coming, and it's starting to get traction within our products. we had a handful of different initiatives being tested with customers. And now we're starting to deploy them and have them skilled customers, and this comes from. This goes from a simple understanding of what is the next best answer for the customer up to insights on what is going on with customer support or sales. So there are some improvements that are very useful for customers. And the midterm, we expect that the way companies build their processes and when they make these processes available on conversational interface such as WhatsApp or Google or SaaS, that generative AI is -- will be mixed with structured natural language understanding processes, which is like the Watson technology did before. So we're seeing this being -- these chief technologies being mixed, so they can provide a reliable and the service for customers, of course, and also good in terms of conversation so we can be more fluid than Watson-based chatbots.

So that's starting to occur, and we expect that next year will be the year that these Generative AI technologies will be fully deployed to most of our customers.

[Shay Chor, executive]

There's one for me here. You're the cheapest enterprise software company in the world valuation-wise, when can we start to consider stock buybacks?

So we are not against stock buybacks. It's just a matter of timing and use of capital and capital preservation, right? We're still as I previously answered one of the questions about our funding gap and liquidity. So that is a priority now over share buyback once the funding gap and our liquidity situation is behind us, then we can discuss all sort of how to return to accelerate capital return to shareholders. One here for you, Cassio. Can you elaborate more on the RCS that you mentioned in your prepared remarks, how is that different from SMS? Any idea of potential market size versus SMS cannibalization?

[Cassio Bobsin Machado, executive]

Sure. RCS is a technology that has been evolving for about a decade. It's part of GSM protocol and since Google started pushing that technology a couple of years ago, it was up to this year not yet deployed within carriers. This year, '23 is the year that caters arranged and deployed the technology. So that's the year things started ramping up. So we partnered with Google to bring that to the market. And what basically RCS does is that -- is this smooth transition from SMS to more rich communication model with customers, which means you have 100% coverage when you're sending a message because it is, the fallback goes over SMS. But for those users that have a handset compatible with RCS, we have a much richer experience. That's nowadays available, not to the majority of end users. Even though we cover 100% with SMS fallback. And over the next 2 or 3 years, we expect that 60% to 80% of users will be RCS compatible. And that means in terms of business that from India perspective, creates lots of opportunities for upsell because when a user receives a rich message, it brings more interactions with that message, which means better conversion rates, possibly conversation over the message, which leverages all of our conversational platform and AI capabilities. And also the message itself from the simple -- simplest message up to the rich message, brings more revenues talking only on the pure messaging side. So for us, that's why we are leading that transition from SMS to RCS brings lots of different opportunities for upsell and of course, better experiences for end users and better results for our customers.

[Shay Chor, executive]

Other one here. Can you provide color on why the number of customers in your SaaS business was lower quarter-over-quarter and why your net retention keeps going lower Caio, can you address that one?

[Caio Figueiredo Oliveira, executive]

Yes, of course. So talking first about the net revenue expansion as Shay said, that impact is related to the cost part of the business where we saw some revenue churn coming from clients, huge clients from last year because our net revenue expense used last 12 months basis, but we're already seeing recovery in Q3, the pipeline the pipeline recovery. And in Q4, we expect an increase on also the net revenue expansion. Regarding the number of clients, the clients that we lost between quarters is not relevant in terms of revenue. And as we saw, we increased our revenue quarter over current in the SaaS business. And we still have a lot of opportunity in the cross-selling basis. That's why we have focused a lot on One Zenvia because we have a huge client base with low cross-selling. That's a huge opportunity for us. So it doesn't there's not some issue for us losing clients, especially a number of clients special because of their small revenues.

[Shay Chor, executive]

[ Hugo ], can you reprompt to see if we have live questions.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions].

[Shay Chor, executive]

We have no more questions here on the webcast as well.

[Operator]

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Cassio Bobsin for his closing remarks.

[Cassio Bobsin Machado, executive]

Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We're very excited with this year and especially next year coming. We expect to have you guys on our next call. Thank you very much.

[Operator]

Zenvia IR area is at your disposal to answer any additional questions. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect. Have a nice day.