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Q3-2024 Analysis
Manappuram Finance Ltd

Manappuram Finance's Strong Q3 FY '24 Growth

In a positive economic climate, Manappuram Finance Limited reported Q3 FY '24 with a significant net profit increase of 46% YoY to INR 575 crores. This performance was mainly fueled by the gold loans and microfinance sectors. The company's consolidated AUM grew 27% YoY to INR 40,385 crores, while the standalone AUM grew by 23%. The microfinance subsidiary, Asirvad, saw a 34% rise in AUM and an 80% increase in profit YoY. Vehicle Finance grew its AUM by 70%, and Home Loans increased by 41% over the previous year. With a strong focus on fee-based businesses and declared dividend increased by 5 paisa, the company remains poised for continued growth in top and bottom lines.

Optimistic Backdrop Amidst India's Growth Trajectory

Despite geopolitical challenges, the company has unveiled its third-quarter financial results with a sense of optimism coinciding with the Indian economy's promising outlook. India's favorable economic projections and the recent interim budget's assurance further strengthen the company's growth strategy, which has been successfully implemented over several quarters.

Robust Consolidated Performance with Substantial Year-on-Year Increases

The company reported a significant year-on-year increase in its net profit, which rose to INR 575 crores, marking a 46% jump driven primarily by profitability in its gold loans and microfinance businesses. This growth is testament to the effective execution of the company's plans and the robust demand for their services.

Solid Advances Under Management and Profitability Across Business Lines

The consolidated Assets Under Management (AUM) achieved a substantial growth of 27% year-on-year, reaching INR 40,385 crores. With an impressive Return on Assets (ROA) of around 5.2%, the company outpaces industry averages and reflects their dominance, particularly in the microfinance sector where they've reported a year-on-year growth of 34% in AUM and 80% in profit.

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Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2024-Q3

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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Manappuram Finance Limited Q3 FY '24 Earnings Conference Call hosted by Nirmal Bang Institutional Equities. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Ms. Rati Pandit from Nirmal Bang. Thank you, and over to you, ma'am.

R
Rati J. Pandit
analyst

Yes. Thank you, Nirav. A very good evening to everyone. On behalf of Nirmal Bang Institutional Equities, we welcome you all to the Q3 FY '24 earnings conference call of Manappuram Finance Limited. We are pleased to host the senior management of the company represented by Mr. VP Nandakumar, MD and CEO; Dr. Sumitha Nandan, Executive Director; Ms. Bindu A.L., CFO; Mr. B.N. Raveendra Babu, MD of Asirvad Microfinance Limited; Mr. Rajesh Namboodiripad, CFO of Asirvad Microfinance Limited; Mr. Basavaraj Shetty, Senior VP and Head IR of Asirvad Microfinance Limited; Mr. Kamal Parmar, Head, Vehicle and Equipment Finance; Mr. Suveen P.S., CEO of Manappuram Home Finance; Mr. Robin Karuvely, CFO of Manappuram Home Finance. I now hand over the call to MD, sir, Mr. VP Nandakumar for his opening remarks. Post which, we can have the floor open for Q&A. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

Thank you. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. It gives me immense pleasure to welcome you all to the conference call to discuss the third quarter FY '24 financials. As you know, amidst the challenging geopolitical situation, India is continuing to be a high-growth trajectory. The just-announced interim budget has also exuded optimism about the future prospects of the Indian economy, promising that the country is well on its way to become a developed nation by 2047. It is in this backdrop that I present our Q3 financial results.

A balanced and prudent growth strategy, which I have been reiterating important many quarters, is now in full swing. While the NBFC sector, as a whole, has grown at a CAGR of 12% in the past 5 years, our growth has been around 19%. Notably, these growth rates outpace the banking sector, reflecting the strong traction achieved by NBFCs. This quarter, we achieved good growth in both AUM and profitability. I'm happy to share that we have recorded a net profit of INR 575 crores, which is an improvement of 46% year-on-year, driven primarily by the profitability in gold loans and microfinance business. Gold loan AUM is sequentially flat; however, there's still 2.6% sequential profit growth. Gold loan AUM stood at INR 20,758 crores, an improvement of 11.5% over the year ago quarter.

While standalone AUM of the entity at INR 27,407 crores, grew by 23% year-on-year, the consolidated AUM reached at INR 40,385 crores representing an increase of 27% for the year ago quarter. We posted an ROA of around 5.2% for the quarter, significantly higher than the industry average. The pace of growth in NBFC space, even outpacing banks, owes to the start that our financial market gives a lot of headroom for a large number of players to coexist. Companies, microfinance subsidiary, Asirvad has posted an AUM of INR 11,563 crores, showing a growth of 34% year-on-year and a profit of INR 127 crores in Q3, with a growth of 80% year-on-year.

The share of microfinance in the overall profit pie is set to go up in the days to come. We continue to post an excellent growth in Vehicle Finance business, recording 70% increase year-on-year, with an AUM of INR 3,597 crores while maintaining good credit discipline. The home loans with an AUM of INR 1,415 crores registering 41% increase over the corresponding quarter in FY '23. I'm also pleased to share that our fee-based business is growing nicely. We reported INR 28 crores profit from our fee-based business and see excellent prospects for its growth. I am pleased to inform that the Board of directors declared a dividend of 90 paisa, another increase of 5 paisa this quarter and remain confident of achieving both top line and bottom line growth while maintaining adequate liquidity.

For a more comprehensive review of our financial performance, I hand the floor to our CFO, Ms. Bindu A.L.

A
A. Bindu
executive

Thank you, sir. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you all for joining us today. As you are aware of...

Operator

I'm sorry to interrupt. You're sounding a little distant.

A
A. Bindu
executive

Is it okay?

Operator

Yes, ma'am. Thank you.

A
A. Bindu
executive

As you are aware of, Asirvad Microfinance filed the DRHP on October 5, 2023. We are not in a position to give more numbers for Asirvad except those, which are in public domain related to results. We request our participants to restrict their questions on Asirvad to published numbers. Coming to the operational overview, our consolidated AUM for Q3 FY '24 was INR 40,385 crores, representing 3.7 percentage sequential growth and 26.7 percentage Y-o-Y growth. Consolidated profit after tax was INR 575 crores, which was up by 2.6 percentage Q-on-Q and 46 percentage Y-o-Y growth. ROE on a consolidated basis was 21.2 percentage and ROA was 5.2 percentage for the quarter. Our leverage is currently only 2.9x. Stand-alone GNPA at 1.99% is versus 1.56% during the previous quarter.

Cash and cash equivalents on hand on a consolidated basis was INR 3,076 crores and undrawn bank line was INR 7,128 crores. CP exposure is nil and the stand-alone borrowing cost has gone up by 19 basis points. On the Gold Loan business, which constitutes 51.4 percentage of consolidated AUM, there is the remaining 48.6 percentage comprises Microfinance, Vehicle, Housing and MSME Finance. Gold loan AUM consolidated INR 20,758 crores, stable Q-on-Q and up by 11.5 percentage Y-o-Y. During the quarter, we were able to add 4.03 lakh new customers. Average LTV at 61 percentage. Online book at 56 percentage. Our stand-alone profit after tax was INR 428 crores, up by 2.1 percentage sequentially and up by 34.7 percentage Y-o-Y.

Coming to Microfinance business, our share of micro AUM stands at INR 11,563 crores, including gold loan AUM of INR 828 crores, up by 6% Q-on-Q and by 34% Y-o-Y. PAT for MFI business has increased to INR 127 crores in Q3 FY '24 versus INR 118 crore in Q2 FY '24. And for 9 months, the profit increased to INR 356 crores versus INR 119 crores last year. Net NPA stands at 1.34 percentage. Capital adequacy at 23.16 percentage for Asirvad.

Vehicle Finance, we reported an AUM of INR 3,597 crores, which is up by 14.5 percentage Q-on-Q and up by 70 percentage Y-o-Y. Collection efficiency for the quarter was 98 percentage and GNPA at 2.6 percentage. Home Loan business, total AUM at INR 1,415 crores, which is up by 8.5 percentage Q-on-Q and up by 40.9 percentage Y-o-Y. And reported a profit of INR 5.1 crores during the quarter. Collection efficiency at 96 percentage and GNPA 2.67 percentage.

MSME and Allied businesses, the total AUM INR 2,857 crores, with a disbursement of INR 460 crores during the quarter. Collection efficiency at 102 percentage and GNPA is 1.5 percentage, excluding digital personal loan. If include, digital personal loan, it is around 2.3 percentage. Our on-lending AUM stands at INR 1,022 crores and ROA for on-lending business is 5 percentage for the quarter. The recent RBI circular to raise risk weight on consumer credit exposure of the NBFC lending does not apply to gold loan, vehicle finance, and microfinance; hence, it has not much impact on our balance sheet.

Nonetheless, bank lending to NBFCs raised their risk weight to the extent of 25 percentage, which resulted in a sequential increase in the cost of borrowing by 19 basis points. Our capital position is strong and the CRAR at 30.7 percentage for the stand-alone entity. Their consolidated net worth at INR 11,063 crores and the book value at INR 130.70. Thank you. We can now go for the Q&A session.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of from Piran from CLSA.

P
Piran Engineer
analyst

Am I audible?

A
A. Bindu
executive

Yes.

P
Piran Engineer
analyst

Congrats on the quarter. Sorry, I dialed in a bit late, but I heard something that INR 28 crore profit from fee-based businesses. Can you please elaborate?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

Okay. This is through our subsidiaries. Manappuram Insurance Broker Limited.

P
Piran Engineer
analyst

Sir, you're not very clear.

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

Okay. So it's from -- it is through our broking subsidiary, insurance broking subsidiary, Manappuram Insurance Brokers. So now -- because before blocking, et cetera, insurance companies can pay more because of the liberalized fees, the commission dispensation by the regulator. So we are getting a higher payout from them. That is the reason for the INR 28 crores profit from insurance broking business. .

P
Piran Engineer
analyst

Okay. And sir, what was it, say, Q-o-Q or Y-o-Y if you can give us a sense? And this is a INR 28 crore profit for the quarter or for 9 months?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

For quarter. .

P
Piran Engineer
analyst

Okay. Okay. And what was it, say, last quarter or 1 year ago?

A
A. Bindu
executive

Last quarter was INR 17 crores, yes. INR 17 crores. .

P
Piran Engineer
analyst

Okay. And Bindu, the second question for you. You mentioned the 19 bps increase in cost of bank borrowings. So the full effect has played out in 3Q or should we expect something in 4Q also from this risk weight guideline?

A
A. Bindu
executive

Yes. So we have to expect a similar increase in Q4 also. Because the circular came mid of November and that entire rollover is [ 30 complete. ] But the initial reaction are low down now and we are having a lot of undrawn line. So we hope -- I think we will be able to contain the increase.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Abhijit Tibrewal from Motilal Oswal.

A
Abhijit Tibrewal
analyst

Sir, first thing on gold loan. If you look at the gold loan yields that we report, I think in the last 2 quarters each, it has gone up by 50 basis points. And just trying to understand, understandably second, third quarter are weak quarters for gold loan growth. But what is it that we are doing, which is leading this kind of an increase in yields in gold loans? And maybe a related question, I mean, with this gold loan yields now going up, is it then fair to assume that what we keep sharing in the last few calls that competitive intensity from banks is coming down is indeed playing out?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

We are catering to the requirements of the small ticket borrowers primarily because our average ticket size remains around INR 20,000 and the average tenure around 3 months. While it remains a fact, what is most important is our availability and our quick service, turnaround service that is most important. So as it is the case -- so whatever is the cost increase in borrowing that we are passing on to these gold loan customers. So the competition always remains the fact.

Many companies have come, that also is expected to be because the large chunk of -- the business still remains with unincorporated bodies. So the data is not available. But it is the general impression that they do more than 2/3 of the total business, so it will get translated into the organized sector. So at this rate, we hope we'll be able to maintain the business. And our even though one quarter remained flat, I hope to reaching our target of 8% to 10%, which is still possible.

A
Abhijit Tibrewal
analyst

Got it. Got it. So essentially, what you said 8% to 10% is still possible, 8% to 10% growth in Gold Loan still possible essentially implies that after 2 quarters of weak gold loan growth, we are now kind of looking at a good gold loan growth coming in the last quarter of the fiscal year?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

Yes, there is a season. During that season, we used to get growth. By that -- with that growth, we may be able to maintain that generally.

A
Abhijit Tibrewal
analyst

Got it. Sir, the other thing I wanted to understand on the Microfinance side, I mean, during the opening remarks, Bindu ma'am said that we can restrict the questions to the published information given that with the process of IPO. But just wanted to understand that during this quarter, looking at other MFI peers who have reported, they all highlighted impact from Tamil Nadu floods. I think for you, Tamil Nadu is close to 14% of your AUM mix. Likewise in Punjab and Haryana, you'll have close to 100 branches and we've been hearing that there are some problems, which are brewing in Punjab. Can you share, I mean, what is it that you are seeing, I mean, in Punjab and Haryana, and what was your experience like in Tamil Nadu? And is that the reason which kind of led to elevated credit scores costs in the Microfinance business during this quarter?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

Tamil Nadu because of the -- yes, the cyclonic effect and other effects, natural purely except many people lost their livelihood temporarily and that is affecting -- that has affected to some extent. And in Punjab, Rajasthan, Haryana, et cetera, yes, there are some problems. The industry generally is affected. But in these places, our exposure is not that high. Tamil Nadu, we have 14%, yes.

A
Abhijit Tibrewal
analyst

Okay. And sir, just one last data-keeping question for Bindu ma'am. Can you just share, I mean, some of these data points like you typically share in each earnings call? What were the gold loan disbursements? What was the goal amount, which was auctioned? And lastly, the auction surplus as on December?

A
A. Bindu
executive

Yes. So auction during the quarter, INR 124 crores. And auction surplus...

U
Unknown Executive

It is reduced to the level of INR 23.5 crores level.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Mona Khetan from Dolat Capital.

M
Mona Khetan
analyst

Yes. So firstly, I wanted to understand this rise in NPAs across many of your portfolios, including home loans or MSME book. Could you give some color on this? What has led to the sharp price across -- even Vehicle for that matter, these books are going very fast and yet the NPAs on the rise on a sequential basis.

A
A. Bindu
executive

Kamal?

K
Kamal Parmar
executive

Yes. Our NPA for quarter 3 stood at 2.6% against 2.5% last quarter. And in fact, it was higher in the first quarter, it was at 2.9%. So we have actually brought it down and we are holding it stable.

A
A. Bindu
executive

Yes. On the gold loan business, the NPAs? Yes, so during the quarter, the gold loan NPA has gone up. But as you are aware, the credit cost is negligible from that portfolio. We were getting requests from the borrowers to delay the auction for a few of the customers. And that is the reason it has gone up. And the gold price is also in support, and we are honoring the request of the borrowers. So that is the reason it has gone up. But for all other portfolio, like MSME, it's 1.5 percentage, that is also at the similar level. Where we have seen the collection issues only in the case of digital personal loans where we, again, like we are restricting the underwriting norms. Not only MSME book, the whole book we have seen 1.5 percentage GNPA only. So overall, credit quality improved. Going on, the rate has gone up. We are not expecting any credit cost out of that.

M
Mona Khetan
analyst

And how about the home loan book? The NPAs are higher by about 90 bps during the quarter.

A
A. Bindu
executive

Yes.

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

So it is home loans, we have around 200 properties, which are up for sale, which were taken over through [indiscernible]. And all the efforts are on to sell it, which will bring down the NPA. So we are expecting a good improvement during this quarter, last quarter.

M
Mona Khetan
analyst

Okay. And on the MFI book as well, while your NPAs declined, if I look at the credit cost, they remain extremely high. So -- at over 4% or thereabouts. So how were the write-offs in this quarter versus how much were it last quarter?

A
A. Bindu
executive

Yes. So as discussed, we are seeing stress in some of the states and it is delaying collection. So we did a [indiscernible] of INR 200 crores, and we did the writeoff to that extent.

M
Mona Khetan
analyst

Sorry, INR 200 crores?

A
A. Bindu
executive

INR 200 crores. Out of which, INR 100 crores, we have returned.

M
Mona Khetan
analyst

Okay. And how much was it last quarter?

A
A. Bindu
executive

Last quarter, the write-off, INR 60 crores.

M
Mona Khetan
analyst

Okay. And just finally, when I look at the growth on a consolidated basis, the noncore portfolios are growing very fast and are about to be or cross 50% of the AUM at this pace. So what thought process on the mix could this non-gold share continue to rise? Or will growth -- sorry. Or will growth in non-gold portfolio slow down after a point once it reaches 50%? Just wanted to get that perspective.

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

See, in the standalone book, still gold loan above portfolio will not come down that easily. So this is because of the subsidiaries. Subsidiaries are now -- if you take Asirvad, we plan to raise capital from outside for the next phase of growth. Similarly, we do in other subsidiary, Home Finance also going for borrowing. So in the stand-alone book, the gold loan will remain more than 50% for a longer time.

M
Mona Khetan
analyst

Got it. So basically, from a consolidated perspective, the share may continue to rise for the non-gold book even beyond the 50%?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

Right.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Shweta Daptardar from Elara Capital.

S
Shweta Daptardar
analyst

Ma'am, a question for you. So you did mention that even in the next quarter, we'll see a similar spike in cost of funds. But then be it stand-alone or control liability mix, why is our term loan borrowings rising each quarter? And you, of course, did mention you're trying to contain that. But how do you see or perceive this liability mix of changing going forward? And if you could also highlight the high cost borrowings, which will come for repricing going forward. And I have other couple of questions as well.

A
A. Bindu
executive

Yes. So if you see, we had the dollar bond of around INR 2,000 crores, which we redeemed. So to maintain the liability tenor, we are taking the term loans. And at the same time, banks also now prefer terms loans than working capital. And the CP exposure is nil, so that is the reason our term loan exposure is going up. This will help us to maintain the liability tenor. Because in our stand-alone book also, we are increasing the non-gold businesses, where the life of the loan is slightly higher. So that will help us to maintain a mix in a proper manner.

And on the cost, we were expecting a reversal in Q3 or at least a stable position. But by the time the new circular had some impact. But slowly, we are able to reduce the impact. But as 60 percentage of the book, there will be a rollover or reset. That is the reason we are expecting a 15 to 20 basis points increase in the next quarter.

S
Shweta Daptardar
analyst

Okay. Okay. That's a fair point. Secondly, sir did mention that this cost price spike we are transmitting it through higher yields, and we also saw yields rising for gold loans. But then I wanted to know, so if our gold loans yields are rising and we did admit to the fact that competition persist, especially on the gold loan side. And if I look at the gold loan net rises, so our AUM per branch has remained steady, then tonnage is slightly lower. A number of borrower count, I understand because few people open the accounts, equal number of people even close, so I'm not arguing that. But going forward, then if this is the scenario and the yields are rising, tonnage slightly lower, then how confident we are or what are the levers to this 8% to 10% growth, which is looking healthy for gold on the gold loan side?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

See, the gold tonnage is decreasing because of the price increase. In order to maintain the range medium, the lower [indiscernible]. That is the reason. So in the reverse scenario of the gold price going down, the tonnage will go up. And AUM will remain -- maintaining at that level, the tonnage will grow. That's the usual scenario. And regarding the confidence about 8%, 10% growth, I mentioned about the seasons also. Usually, some quarters, it grows. Some quarters, it remains flat. That is usual. So it has got some seasonal impact. Now why we are confident is, that also is mentioned because our average ticket size is lower at around INR 50,000 and average tenure is around 3 months. So what is most important here is how quickly you can serve the customer, how fast he can go, because he doesn't wish -- I think that they are lost. And so when he goes to -- such customers who are borrowing smaller amounts, small tickets, et cetera, they prefer to go to places where quick service is available. Because of our technology, online gold loan and doorstep goal loan, et cetera, we are able to extend the services to the satisfaction of our customers, where they will not lose the day. So that gives us the confidence and our new customer acquisition remain at a steady level of 5,000 to 8,000 new customers every day.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Noel Gonzales from SBI.

U
Unknown Analyst

Ma'am was mentioning regarding the marginal hike in the gross NPA due to delayed auctions and also the prices of gold being higher. Is it likely to continue in the present quarter also? That's my first question. My second question is regarding -- so I was mentioning that a critical aspect in any gold loan company is how quickly you can deliver the gold loan. So what would be your turnaround time and how quick would be the services you have an average time to speak?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

So every time we take for a new customer is around 15 to 20 minutes. The existing customers, it would be much lower because we have the KYC and all the requirements already in the system. So our efforts are to reduce that time that's why we are pioneering -- we have pioneered at the past in the production of online gold loan, doorstep gold loan, et cetera. But our efforts will continue in digitalizing all these will definitely be of help in a better store service.

A
A. Bindu
executive

Yes. Gold loan NPA is a temporary issue only. So we have given extended time to these borrowers and we will be able to reduce before 31st March.

Operator

Next question is from the line of [indiscernible].

U
Unknown Analyst

Just some quick questions. Firstly, on the margin side. So of course...

Operator

Sir, your voice is not coming clear. Can you speak with the handset, please?

U
Unknown Analyst

Yes, am I audible now?

Operator

Sir, we can hear you, but then your voice is breaking a little bit.

U
Unknown Analyst

Hello, am I audible?

Operator

Yes, go ahead.

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

Yes, yes. Yes, please go ahead.

U
Unknown Analyst

Yes. So firstly, on margin. So cost of funds continue to rise 15, 20 basis points. So should we expect margins to hold at that or should we expect some margin decline because of the cost of funds? Specially, should we still expect loan yield to go up?

A
A. Bindu
executive

Yes. On the cost of borrowing, we have seen an increase on account of the new circular. At the same time, if you see, we have seen a 48 basis points increase in the gold loan yield. So the attempt is to maintain the spread as it is possible. So that is the reason last 2 quarters, if you see, there is an increase in gold loan yield.

U
Unknown Analyst

And the second one is on the actual Asirvad Microfinance. Can you at least kind of detail us in terms of the trend. Is the situation on the ground stabilizing? Getting better? Or it's still pretty difficult maybe going through this quarter itself?

A
A. Bindu
executive

So it is not very different, but some of the cyclical impacts will be there, temporary delays, et cetera. Beyond which, kindly excuse us for further details.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Rajiv Mehta from Yes Securities.

R
Rajiv Mehta
analyst

Congrats on good performance. A few questions from my side. Bindu ma'am, what was the stage 2 for the MFI, for the Asirvad MFI as of December? And can you also share the stage 2 as of September?

A
A. Bindu
executive

So that we cannot.

R
Rajiv Mehta
analyst

It can't be?

A
A. Bindu
executive

Yes.

R
Rajiv Mehta
analyst

Okay. And this if you can, if it's possible, any headway in terms of Asirvad IPO getting -- not getting further delayed? I mean what is the time line for the IPO that we have right now?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

So we hope there won't be much delay. That is indication we get through our bankers.

R
Rajiv Mehta
analyst

Okay. Okay. And sir, in terms of gold loan business new customer addition, can you tell us the number of new customers added in this quarter and even in the previous quarter?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

So on a day, we are getting around -- on a normal day, we are getting around 5,000, 5,500 new customers.

A
A. Bindu
executive

So this quarter, we added 400,000 new customers.

U
Unknown Executive

406,000.

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

There is no much difference over the last -- say, over the last 5 years, it remains more or less the same except this pandemic.

R
Rajiv Mehta
analyst

So sir, while we have been adding a steady number of new customers, we also see customers closing or going away, and which is why the net-net customer base is not growing for us, it has been pretty steady. So in a flattish customer base trend, how do we get 18% growth if the gold price does not increase from here?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

See, what I told is not 18%, 8% to 10%. So year on -- yes, Y-o-Y growth is 11%. So there will be some quarters there is growth, good growth. There is some quarters that there may not be any growth et cetera, et cetera, so we remain optimistic about that. We hope -- usually, some quarters are good. We hope last quarter would be good.

R
Rajiv Mehta
analyst

Okay. Just last question from my side. Have you raised gold loan product rates across LTV and the ticket size banks in the last 3, 4 months?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

See, the LTV is decided on the basis of the price. So we have a formula to decide, which has been -- the formula being used to buy the Association of Gold Loan Companies, so within the regulatory guidelines. So now the gold prices are remaining steady. And regarding the interest rates, we have not increased that. So whatever is -- except small increase when there is an upward movement in the borrowing cost. To that extent, generally, we increase that.

R
Rajiv Mehta
analyst

Understood. So the increase in the net EVC for the portfolio is essentially because of the shift in customer mix towards low ticket and high-yielding customers?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

Right. Right.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Kushan Parikh from Morgan Stanley.

K
Kushan Parikh
analyst

So I had questions around 2 sets. One is yield. On the yield part, I just wanted to understand, I mean, since we've been increasing gold loan yields for a couple of quarters now and we expect the cost of fund to increase as well next quarter, will we see another increase in gold loan yields going forward? And also wanted to understand from you if that has any impact on the growth of the gold loan portfolio.

My second question was on the Asirvad MFI yields. Even there, we have consistently seen the yield increasing. Even this quarter, AUM growth was about 6-odd percent Q-o-Q and revenue growth has been about 11% Q-o-Q. A couple of peers have, in fact, reduced their rates in this quarter, so just wanted to understand what are the yields that we are charging? How are they compared to the market? And will we also have to come up with such a reduction going forward?

And thirdly, if you could take one more question was, what would be -- I mean, if you could give -- provide some guidance around the credit cost of Asirvad MFI business going forward. I mean given the situation in the various states, will there -- I mean, will the elevated credit cost persist going forward?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

So about the gold loan yield, if the borrowing cost increases, that may be passed on to maintain the NIM. The net interest margin, we wish to protect that. And regarding the backdown at the growth of the portfolio, I hope, may not, because they act as a short term. They don't look at -- even if there is an increase in -- yes, even if there's a minor increase. So what they look at is the quick service, which we are able to give. So we don't expect that to dampen our targeted growth. About Microfinance, the pricing, we have a pricing model based on various parameters. So we continue with that pricing formula and we don't need them to change. Regarding the credit cost, we have some limitations, et cetera. Whatever can be saved it has been already saved.

K
Kushan Parikh
analyst

Understood. So then if you could just give any indication on the MFI credit cost as to -- if the situation from a collections point of view in the problem states has improved in the January month or it has persisted in January as well?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

So yes, in these problem states of Bihar, Rajasthan, et cetera, the collection has not improved much. We are also shifting to weekly collection mode and employing more people from the locality and we are trying to improve that. The efforts are on and we hope the results will come.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Jigar from B&K Securities.

J
Jigar Jani
analyst

So just wanted to know the past auction surplus status, which is restricting our branch expansion in gold loans. Any headway on that? How much is the outstanding now? And second, we are seeing even in the stand-alone business, the non-gold business is growing very rapidly, but our PCR on the stand-alone business remains fairly low. So do we intend to like increase PCR on the standalone business given that more and more shift is going to happen towards the non-gold side in those business?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

See, our surplus in auction was around INR 48 crores. Now that has been pushed down to INR 22 crores. We hope it will come down by INR 1 crores or INR 2 crores. And we have been in touch with the regulators and we are submitting the application for new branches. We hope we'll be able to get permission for that. Then your second question is about the rapid increase in non-gold, et cetera. In non-gold, our performance in general is improving in the stand-alone portfolio like vehicle finance or the MSME, et cetera, except digital personal loan, which we have slowed down the ticket price, et cetera. So all these will improve. Regarding PCR, we continue with the same old policy whatever is the requirement. We continue without any change in the policy.

A
A. Bindu
executive

Yes. Our PCR is low because the main book is with a negligible credit cost. For other portfolios, we consider the ECL model and enough provision is carried in our financials.

J
Jigar Jani
analyst

Good. But as the proportion of the other businesses increased, your ECL model would require -- on a blended basis, would require higher provisioning on your stand-alone books...

A
A. Bindu
executive

So if you see the Vehicle Finance book, that is almost an 8-year-old book. And based on our historical losses, even during COVID, all those things we factored in our ECL model. See, the GNPA itself is 2.6 percentage On that, if we apply the LTD, that will be the ultimate credit cost. So -- and 2.6 percentage GNPA is only INR 70 crores, INR 80 crores. On that, we are carrying enough provision.

J
Jigar Jani
analyst

Okay. Would you be able to share the NCD on the real basis?

A
A. Bindu
executive

NCD, see, this is very complicated. In the sense, each portfolio, we have done separately. So this is ranging between 20 percentage to 35 percentage. And for the unsecured book, it will be 65 percentage, like that.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Shreepal Doshi from Equirus Securities.

S
Shreepal Doshi
analyst

[Technical Difficulty].

Operator

Shreepal, sorry. But your voice is breaking. Can I request you to come in a better area?

S
Shreepal Doshi
analyst

[Technical Difficulty].

Operator

Shreepal, sorry, but your voice is still breaking out. I'll request you to rejoin the queue or redial.

The next question is from the line of Bunty Chawla from IDBI Capital.

B
Bunty Chawla
analyst

One data point, if you can share. Sorry, I missed that part. What was the option of the gold loan during this quarter?

A
A. Bindu
executive

INR 124 crores.

B
Bunty Chawla
analyst

Okay. Secondly, if it is possible, what was the queries from the SEBI on the IP -- on the Asirvad IPO? What it -- has it been completely resolved because of which we have got delayed some part?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

So all the queries from SEBI have been answered, we hope, to their satisfaction. It has been answered and we are awaiting a positive response from them.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Abhijit Tibrewal from Motilal Oswal.

A
Abhijit Tibrewal
analyst

Bindu ma'am, just kind of circling back to this cost of borrowing question, which has come a couple of times in this earnings call. I think, I mean, what you suggested is that we've already seen almost 19, 20 basis points increase in cost of borrowings. But just trying to understand this cost of borrowing increase, I'm sure this will not be applicable to your HFC businesses or the HFC subsidiaries, right? So I mean is the risk weight circular alone kind of contributing to this cost of borrowing increase and maybe a similar increase as you suggested in the fourth quarter as well? Or are there some other elements or other drivers of the increase in cost of borrowings that you are envisaging in the next quarter?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

HFC, we are expecting the cost to remain flat because we are getting funding from NHB. So we expect that to go up. So that will help us to maintain the rate without any worries.

A
A. Bindu
executive

Yes. On the risk weight circular, on other financials, it will not have much impact because majority of the portfolio is exempt from that. But the bank lending to NBFC, irrespective of the rating, it has gone up. So the immediate reaction is increasing cost of borrowing. So that is the reason that's gone up, but things are changing. Availability is not an issue, but costs still not reversed.

A
Abhijit Tibrewal
analyst

But intuitively speaking, given that risk weights have been increased by 25%, I mean, at best, cost of volume should have gone up by 25 basis points only, right, and that, too, on your bank borrowings? So the actual blended impact on the cost of borrowing should have been lower than 25 basis points. Or is there any other way to look at this?

A
A. Bindu
executive

See, combined with the other unsecured lending or tightening of liquidity, et cetera. So I think the lenders will make use of the opportunity to increase the cost. And initial reaction was, at least, I think they started 50 basis points for the rollover. Slowly, it is coming down. And the other thing we are doing term loans, ECBs and our maturity profile also improving. That is also a reason. But immediate increase is on account of the circular.

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

And banks are also not loading up the pulley, because there is competition.

Operator

Next follow-up question is from the line of Shreepal Doshi from Equirus Securities.

S
Shreepal Doshi
analyst

So my question was pertinent to gold loan disbursement. So I think that number was not mentioned. So if you can just say that for this quarter and for 9 months FY '24.

A
A. Bindu
executive

So in quarter, we are discussing this quarter, we did around INR 26,190 crores. And last quarter, we did around INR 25,793 crores.

S
Shreepal Doshi
analyst

Okay. And coming back to the earlier participant's question on cost of fund. So what is the overall cost of fund impact that we are likely to see because of the circular? That is question number one. And question number two is what is the overall impact on the capital adequacy because we also have vehicle loan as part of the portfolio, so is there any impact on the capital adequacy of the same?

A
A. Bindu
executive

Vehicle loan is also exempted from this. So the small portion of our personal loan only will have impact and given our higher capital adequacy, this is, I think, less than 50 basis points in that on the CRAR. It's very negligeable. Still our CRAR is above 30 percentage. And on the cost of borrowing, one is, this immediate increase on account of the circular. And we are doing ECBs and term loans, the proportion of term loans also increasing and these are the reasons for increasing cost of borrowing.

S
Shreepal Doshi
analyst

But what will be the overall cost of borrowing impact? Like while this quarter is 19 basis points, next quarter, you said it will be another. But have you done any working as to what will be the overall impact? Like will there be any further or all of it will get repriced? I understand 52 percentage must be linked to 3-month MCLR or 1-month MCLR on the term loan side.

A
A. Bindu
executive

See, it was -- we expected a reduction by the time this circular came, so we are not seeing a reversal trend. So that is the reason our expectation is, a further increase in this quarter, 10 to 20 basis points increase. Because we are not seeing even -- or like the CP market also, the pricing has not come down.

Operator

Next question is from the line of [ Pratik Tandel ] from Swan Capital.

U
Unknown Analyst

So I would like to know about the branches. So in the FY '21, '22, '23, since the branches were at 3,524, and we had restrictions. I wanted to go on the visibility of net branch expansion in the coming quarters. So could you give some guidance on that?

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

So we have applied to -- in the past, one problem we faced was a surplus in auction remaining at around INR 48 crores. They told us to bring it down and that shall be in operation. Now we have achieved that. It has come down to nearly INR 20 crores, it is going down and we had some discussions with the regulators and we hope we'll get permission within near future. So we had applied for 300 branches and we hope we'll get permission for this.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Aagam from Flute Aura.

A
Aagam Shah
analyst

Most of my questions were answered. I just have one question. What is our CET1 ratio currently, standalone and of Asirvad?

A
A. Bindu
executive

Which ratio? .

A
Aagam Shah
analyst

CET1.

A
A. Bindu
executive

Tier 1 and standalone, it is the full Tier 1 only. And in subsidiary...

U
Unknown Executive

18.5, Tier 1.

A
A. Bindu
executive

18.5, Tier 1.

U
Unknown Executive

And Tier 2 is 14.6.

Operator

As there are no further questions, I will now hand the conference over to Mr. VP Nandakumar for closing comments.

V
Vazhappully Nandakumar
executive

So thank you for the support and cooperation. We expect the support from your side. Any more information what can be disposed, we are happy to share with you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. On behalf of Nirmal Bang, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.