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Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2021-Q4

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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the American States Water Company Conference Call discussing the company's fourth quarter and full year 2021 results. This call is being recorded. If you would like to listen to the replay of this call, it will begin this afternoon at approximately 5 P.M. Eastern Time and run through Wednesday, March 2, 2022 on the company's website, www.aswater.com. The slides that the company will be referring to are also available on the website. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Today's call will be limited to an hour. Presenting today from American States Water Company is Bob Sprowls, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Eva Tang, Senior Vice President of Finance and Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, certain matters discussed during this conference call may be forward-looking statements intended to qualify for the safe harbor from liability established by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Please review a description of the company's risks and uncertainties in our most recent Form 10-K and Form 10-Q on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In addition, this conference call will include a discussion of certain measures that are not prepared in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles or GAAP in the United States and constitute non-GAAP financial measures under SEC rules. These non-GAAP financial measures are derived from consolidated financial information, but are not presented in our financial statements that are prepared in accordance with GAAP. For more details, please refer to the press release. At this time, I will turn the call over to Bob Sprowls, President and Chief Executive Officer of American States Water Company.

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Rocco. Welcome, everyone and thank you for joining us today. I'll begin with some comments on the highlights for the year. Eva will then discuss some financial details for both the quarter and the year, and then I'll wrap it up with some updates on regulatory filings, ASUS and dividends and then we'll take your questions. I'm pleased to report that we had a very strong 2021. Our earnings per share increased 9.4% to $2.55 for 2021 compared to $2.33 reported for 2020, driven by higher year-over-year performance by the Water segment largely as a result of new rates authorized by the California Public Utilities Commission or CPUC. In fact, we had increased earnings in each of our business segments for the year. Eva will discuss our financial results for the fourth quarter shortly. There are a number of other highlights for the year. We continue to invest in the reliability of our systems spending a record high $142.6 million in company-funded infrastructure at our regulated utilities during the year and continue to maintain the infrastructure at 11 military bases. Infrastructure investment and improvements is critical to providing safe and reliable service to our customers and allow us to maintain water quality, reduce leaks, promote energy efficiency and fortify the systems for national disasters and other events. In 2021, we reached a joint settlement agreement on key items with the Public Advocates Office of the CPUC on Golden State Water's general rate case to set new rates for the years 2022 through 2024, which if approved will allow us to continue our investment in our water systems. The company's environmental social responsibility and governance or ESG profile remains strong. We increased the breadth and depth of our ESG disclosures during the year. This month we set a target goal to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions by 60% by 2035 an important step in doing our part to reduce the effects of climate variability. During 2021, we published our first-ever diversity and inclusion policy, formalizing our commitment to this important area and highlighting the sound policies already in place. The 56% women on our Board of Directors, we were recognized by the 50-50 women on boards organization as gender balance, a level that only 8% of the Russell 3000 Index companies have achieved. And since 2007, our customers have used less water and electricity. For 2021, water usage by our customers is down 29% and electric usage is down 5% compared to 2007, while the number of customers have increased at both business segments. We remain committed to our communities. Golden State Water continued to spend with diverse business enterprises, achieving results that were well above the CPUC's requirement for the ninth consecutive year. In addition ASUS continued to proudly provide dependable services for America's service people and their families and receive high marks for its customer service. We continue to exceed the U.S. government's requirements to hire small businesses to perform work on the bases we serve and earn the designation VETS Indexes 3 Star Employer as part of the 2021 VETS Indexes Employer Awards. The award recognizes ASUS' commitment to recruiting, hiring, retaining, developing and supporting veteran employees and others in the military connected community. During 2021, we increased the annual dividend by 9%, our 67th consecutive year of annual dividend increases. We have consistently executed on our strategies and have been able to deliver a five-year total shareholder return of 148%, or a compound annual return of 20%. Our strong performance in 2021 would not be possible without the commitment to our customers, the dedication of our employees and support of our shareholders. We are optimistic and well positioned for 2022 and beyond. I'll now turn the call over to Eva to review the financial results for the quarter.

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Eva Tang

Thank you, Bob, and hello, everyone. Let me start with an overview of our fourth quarter financial results. Consolidated diluted earnings for the quarter were $0.55 per share compared to $0.54 per share, reported for the same quarter of 2020. Earnings at our water segment increased to $0.04 per share for the quarter. This increase was largely due to an increase in water revenues from new rates for 2021, authorized by the California Public Utilities Commission. Earnings from the electric segment for the fourth quarter of 2021 as well as 2020 was $0.07 per share. Higher electric revenues and lower electric supply costs were offset by an overall increase in operating and interest expenses, as compared to the fourth quarter of 2020. Earnings from the contracted services segment were $0.13 per share, as compared to $0.17 per share for the same quarter of 2020. The decrease was largely due to a decrease in construction activity, partially offset by an increase in management fee revenue and an overall decrease in operating expenses. The decrease in construction activity was due largely to timing differences of when construction work was performed as compared to the fourth quarter of 2020. Consolidated revenue for the three months ended December 31, 2021, decreased by $7.6 million, as compared to the same period in 2020. The decrease was due to lower construction activity at our contracted services segment due to timing as just discussed, partially offset by increase at our water segment. Turning to slide 10. Total operating expenses decreased approximately $8.3 million versus the fourth quarter of 2020, mostly due to a decrease in construction costs at ASUS as a result of lower construction activity, a decrease in property and other taxes and a sale of non-utility-related land at the water segment, resulted in a gain of $409,000 recorded during the fourth quarter of 2021, with no equivalent item in 2020. Slide 11 shows the EPS bridge compared to the fourth quarter of 2021 with the same quarter of 2020. And this slide shows the full year results. Consolidated earnings for 2021 were $2.55 per share as compared to $2.33 per share for 2020. Included in the results for 2021 were gains on investments held for one of the company's retirement plans, totaling $4.3 million or $0.08 per share as compared to $3 million or $0.06 per share in gains generated during 2020, largely due to market conditions. Excluding this gain from both years, adjusted diluted earnings for 2021 were $2.47 per share as compared to $2.27 per share for 2020. Earnings from the water segment increased by $0.21 per share compared to 2020 due to an increase in water revenues of $15.5 million, largely from new water rates as a result of the third year rate increase, effective January 1 2021 partially offset by an increase in supply cost of $4.1 million and other operating expenses of $3.1 million. There was also a decrease in effective income tax rate due to changes in flow-through adjustments. Moving on to the Electric segment. Earnings were $0.01 per share higher than in 2020. The higher electric earnings were due to new rates authorized by the CPUC and lower interest expense. These increases in earnings were partially offset by higher electric supply costs and other operating expenses. Diluted earnings from the contracted services segment was $0.48 per share as compared to $0.47 per share for 2020, an increase of $0.01 per share. This was due to an increase in management fee revenue as well as a decrease in overall operating expenses, partially offset by lower construction activity as compared to 2020. AWR parent earnings decreased $0.01 per share compared to 2020 due to higher state unitary taxes recorded at the parent level. Turning to liquidity. Net cash provided by operating activities was $115.6 million as compared to $122.2 million in 2020. The decrease was primarily due to timing of income tax installment payments lower surcharges to recover regulatory assets and timing differences of building of and cash receipts for construction work at military basis. These decreases were partially offset by improved cash from utility accounts receivables. As Bob mentioned our regulated utility invested $142.6 million in company-funded capital projects in 2021. We expect to invest $140 million to $160 million in 2022. As I noted during our last quarter's call, we do not expect American States Water to issue additional equity for at least the next three years to fund its current businesses. So with that, let me turn it back to Bob.

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Eva. I'd like to provide an update on our recent regulatory activity. In July 2020, Golden State Water filed a general rate case application for all of its water regions and the general office for new water rates for the years 2022, 2023 and 2024. In November of last year, we reached a settlement agreement with the Public Advocates Office on this general rate case. Only three issues remain. Among other things, the settlement authorizes Golden State Water to invest approximately $404.8 million in capital infrastructure for the three-year rate cycle. Settlement also authorizes Golden State Water to complete certain advice letter capital projects approved in the last general rate case, which have recently been completed for a total capital investment of $9.4 million. The additional annual revenue requirements generated from these capital investments are $1.2 million and became effective February 15 of this year. Excluding the advice letter project revenues, the amounts included in the settlement agreement, if approved would increase the 2022 adopted revenues by approximately $30.3 million as compared to the 2021 adopted revenues and increased the 2022 adopted supply cost by $9.7 million as compared to the 2021 adopted supply costs. The three issues not included in the settlement agreement were contested through the briefing process rather than hearings and include Golden State Water's request for a medical cost balancing account, a general liability insurance cost balancing account and consolidation of two of the company's smaller customer service areas for ratemaking purposes. Our proposed decision in the water general rate case is expected in mid-2022. Once the final decision is issued by the CPUC, new water rates will be effective retroactive to January 1 2022. Turning our attention to Slide 15. We present the growth in Golden State Water's average rate base as authorized by the CPUC for 2018 through 2021. The weighted average water rate base has grown from $752.2 million in 2018 to $980.4 million in 2021. Based on the general rate case settlement agreement the 2022 rate base amount is $1152 billion, which if approved would result in a compound annual growth rate of 11.3% since 2018. The rate base amounts shown for 2021 and 2022 do not include any rate recovery for advice letter projects. Let's move on to ASUS, which had another strong year, achieving record net income of $17.7 million and record earnings per share of $0.48. This was accomplished despite some reduction in overall construction activity in 2021, which we've discussed. We continue to work closely with the US government for contract modifications relating to potential capital upgrade work for improvement of the water and wastewater infrastructure at the military bases we serve. As a result, during 2021, the US government awarded ASUS $17.3 million in new construction projects. Some of the projects were completed in 2021 while the majority are expected to be completed in 2022. In addition, completion of filings for economic price adjustments, requests for equitable adjustment, asset transfers and contract modifications awarded for new projects, provide ASUS with additional revenues and dollar margin. We remain confident that we can effectively compete for new military-based contract awards in the future, based on our proven track record of managing water and wastewater related services for military basis since 2004. We are actively involved in various stages of the proposal process at a number of other bases considering privatization. And the US government is expected to release additional bases for bidding over the next several years. During the last two years, there's been a reduction in new capital upgrade awards, largely due to the effects of COVID-19. In light of continued uncertainty associated with the effects of the pandemic, we reaffirm our projection that ASUS will contribute $0.45 to $0.49 per share for 2022. I would like to turn our attention to dividend outlined on Slide 17. In 2021 we increased the annual dividend from $1.34 per share to $1.46 per share an increase of 9%. Over the last 10 years our dividend compound annual growth rate is nearly 10% consistent with our policy to achieve a compound annual growth rate in the dividend of more than 7% over the long term. American States Water Company has paid dividends to shareholders every year since 1931, increasing the dividends received by shareholders each calendar year for 67 consecutive years which places us in an exclusive group of companies on the New York Stock Exchange that have achieved that result. I'd like to conclude our prepared remarks by thanking you for your interest in American States Water and we'll now turn the call over to the operator for questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Today's first question comes from Angie Storozynski with Seaport. Please go ahead.

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Thank you. I was just updating the model and just a couple of simple modeling questions. So it seems like the maintenance expense for 2021 seems much lower versus that for 2020. I understand that it's not a fourth quarter item, but you remember what was the reason for the decrease here?

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Eva Tang

I think it's the unplanned maintenance work Angie. I mean those kind of things is hard to expect. We plan our maintenance work. If emergency comes along and things happen during the year, we have to address it immediately. So they will have some fluctuation of the maintenance cost going forward, but we expect to be maintaining that. Hopefully there is not a lot of emergency work happening in 2022, but that was what's happening in 2020 I believe. Bob do you have anything to add?

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Okay.

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I mean it's -- I think it's a really good sign that our unplanned maintenance we didn't have to do a lot of it in terms of leaks et cetera. So I think it's a really good sign.

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Yes for sure, especially in this inflationary environment. Now the second question again based on your reported numbers. So I see that you have this $31 million in notes payable. There's like a very de minimis increase in long-term debt, but there is this big short-term debt is the timing of when you plan to issue long-term debt?

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Eva Tang

For Golden State Water you mean Angie?

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Well I'm looking at your 10-K I mean on a consolidated basis I see this big seemingly short-term debt increase. Again I can follow-up offline. That's not a problem. So just moving on to more crucial issues here. So I'm looking at your settlement and you mentioned that those revenue and supply cost increases versus the approved revenue levels meaning I cannot simply use the recorded revenues for the Water segment that you showed me in 2021 as a basis of this increase?

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So we were -- we reported the change in adopted revenues from 2021 to 2022. And as you know with the full RAM revenues tend to be very close to adopt it. So what we were trying to do is, give you a sense of where -- if the settlement agreement gets approved where the 2022 revenues will end up.

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Okay. So it's very close to basically if I just used the reported water revenues and I used this $30.3 million increase that is in the settlement.

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Right.

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Okay.

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

We also gave you the change in the supply cost.

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Yes. That's absolutely sure. And on top of it, there is also an increase associated with those projects that are excluded from the GRC, right? So there is still some small upward adjustment to the water revenue in 2022 on the back of those.

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Right.

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

$1.2 million is the annual effect of theā€¦

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Eva Tang

But that started February 15. So it's not a full year for 2022. In addition to that Angie, for 2022, when the cost of capital proceeding got approved, we will have to retroact to January of this year for the revenue requirements to reflect the final cost of capital, both debt and equity. So you have to estimate the adjustment for that.

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Speaking of the cost of capital, that's definitely an interesting proceeding that you guys are going through, actually electric utilities in California going through it as well. So there's -- I mean, we're seeing the arguments of the consumer advocate, at least on the electric side, very interesting to say the least, with a 7% handle of the allowed ROE and the argument that there is no connection between the cost of equity and performance of utility stocks, which is again an interesting argument. So how -- I mean, there have been changes of the commission. So we don't really know, at least from our vantage point, how the commission is going to opine on those future allowed ROEs. But is there anything that you guys can share, any sort of gauge of your sentiment of how the commission will act here? Again, there seems to be such a wide range of expectations between what you guys had filed for and what we just saw in the comments on the consumer advocate, at least on the electric side?

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So, Angie, just to mention here, the public advocates in the water case has put their -- they have issued their report. For us, it was 7.51% ROE. We had requested 10.5%. So we're miles apart there.

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Yes, exactly. Very wide.

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Although, they did mention in their report a recommended capital structure of 56.85% equity. We had requested 57%. So we're close on that, but clearly miles to go on the ROE. Yes, it's a relatively new commission, as you know, with two new commissioners there, so we're not entirely certain how this is going to go. We think the 7.51 is ridiculous, of course. So we'll see. But we'll have hearings on April 5 through the 8 on this process and perhaps we'll know better after the hearings. We've got two new commissioners, although, they're both lawyers. So that's a good sign. Commissioner Reynolds, not President Reynolds, but Commissioner Reynolds, he worked at the commission for many years and was a commissioner's adviser for many years. So I feel like, he's probably got his arms around how the commission works. Not really sure about the President of the Commission, because she's new to the commission.

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Yes. And just one other one. Eva you mentioned that there was some pressure on the electric utility side related to rising purchase power costs. I mean, that pressure is probably only likely to intensify, given what we're seeing happening with the natural gas and thus power prices. So there is this annual step-up, right, in electric revenue under the electric GRC. But again, if there is this inflation in the purchase power cost that is basically sort of mitigating any or any meaningful earnings increase on the electric side. Is that fair?

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Eva Tang

Yes, Angie. We do have a full cost -- full supply cost balancing count as they value.

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Okay.

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Eva Tang

So to the extent the purchase power is higher than authorized we'll be able to recover that. So we'll book to the adopted -- yes we book to the adopted supply costs and recover that in the future through surcharges.

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Angie Storozynski
Seaport

Okay. Thank you. Thatā€™s it from me. Thank you. Okay.

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Eva Tang

Thank you.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Today's next question comes from Jonathan Reeder at Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Hi, Bob and Eva. How are you all today?

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Good. How are you?

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Eva Tang

Good, Jonathan. How are you?

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Not doing too bad. So just wondering if we strip out the $0.08 investment gain would you say the $2.47 is a good starting point as we're thinking about 2022 EPS and the growth from the potential uplift from the pending GRC settlement offset by any cost of capital adjustment, or are there some other things in there that we may need to adjust or that allowed you to come in a little stronger in 2021?

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Jonathan so if you could -- could you give the step back again please in terms of how you're building 2022?

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Well, no I'm just wondering if using the $2.47 so taking out the $0.08 investment gain is that a good starting point to kind of think about layering on the other drivers such as the uplift from the GRC settlement offset by the cost of capital adjustment, or are there some expense items or stuff at the utilities that may have led to some over-earning situations or something in 2021 that aren't perhaps repeatable?

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So you'll have to adjust for the true-up of the cost of debt. Because we were -- our prior cost of capital at 6.6%. The filing we did here which is sort of truing up the debt cost is 5.1%.

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Eva Tang

That's right.

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

So that will be effective January 1 2022. So you'll have to factor that in Jonathan.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

You know what that is off and sort of a revenue perspective?

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Eva Tang

About $7.5 million Jonathan if everything stays the same. We have our Return on Equity ROE remained at 8.9%. So just a decrease in debt from 6.6% to 5.1% would probably impact revenues by $7.5 million.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Okay. But then otherwise from the expense side of the equation you had kind of your normal ebbs and flows throughout the year and there's no kind of onetimers tucked in there that we should be adjusting for?

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Eva Tang

I can't think it of any majority one. And if we go to hearings then it would may incur additional legal regulatory costs for the capital proceedings. But other than that everything seems to be working normally.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Okay. And then on the electric side I saw on the 10-K that said Bear Valley expects to spend $13 million in 2022 just on wildfire mitigation projects. And it looks like maybe the electric utility 2021 CapEx was close to $20 million. So should we be thinking like $15 million to $20 million is like an annual type CapEx number, or does that wildfire mitigation spend decreased considerably in 2023 and beyond such that we get back closer to electric CapEx around $10 million?

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So 10 seems light to me but 20 seems too happy.

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Eva Tang

Yes.

B
Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Maybe -- maybe in between there is probably the way to think about it.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Okay. As we're thinking about 2023 and beyond?

B
Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes.

J
Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Okay.

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I mean there are other projects that could get included that -- we did a filing years ago for renewable solar facility and then needed to pull the filing because of some issues, but we're very interested in putting a solar facility up there. It will take some time to get that through the commission, but that would be sort of a kind of a one-off I would say, that may add to the CapEx. It's just hard to predict when that will be...

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

You're still -- kind of stealing my next question, well anticipated there Bob. So, no imminent plans to I guess, kind of refile that solar project?

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Well, we're -- I mean we're working on it. We're working to find land for it. And that -- we've got to start with the land. And then, there's a lot of steps in the critical process of the critical path there. But the first is getting appropriate land that would accommodate it. So I mean it's something we're very interested in doing. We think the state policy supports it and we're working through it. It just takes time.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Okay. Is it -- should we think of it as being driven by meeting the next kind of RPS hurdle I think in the K, you cited 50% by 2026 and you're at 37% or something like that?

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. There's a lot of benefits to a solar facility. One is to help with the RPS requirements also reduction in greenhouse gas emissions is another issue and having generation -- technically generation on at the location is important too given -- although this hasn't been a problem but given that we've got power coming from places to go to the facility. And if that has not had to ratchet back their power because of public safety power shutoffs. We understand that's a bit of a risk for us although it has not been a problem to-date.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Got you. Okay. So, I mean when Bear Valley filed its electric rate case, I think it's here in a couple of months. Can you give us any sense the size of the case both in terms of what kind of value the Bear Valley rate base is up to, maybe what kind of rate increase we're talking about, and it kind of sounds like on an ongoing basis, the $15 million CapEx is somewhere to kind of bogey that around?

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So we're still working on the numbers Jonathan. But you're right we do plan to file a rate case later this year. One of the things everyone should be aware of that these wildfire mitigation expenditures, we've been including those in memorandum accounts and none of those are in rates yet. And part of the process in the general rate case will be to include those through 2021. And so, we're very sensitive to the increase in rates this will have on our customers but it is -- we do feel these expenditures were necessary and are important for safety, et cetera.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

All right. Any guidance you can give in terms of the value of the rates? I mean I know there's a disconnect right now between what you're kind of technically allowed to earn on versus what it is with a lot of that CapEx -- the wildfire lease CapEx not in rates?

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Eva Tang

I think Jonathan, the top rate base is approximately right now for Bear Valley is about $69 million and we spent $10 million to $12 million verify a capital projects, so we can kind of estimate how much the rate base will file the starting point will be, because all those wildwire plants since 2020 I think, right Bob?

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. 2019, even I think Eva.

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Eva Tang

Yes. So it will be included in our filing per commission decision on the wildfire plant, we're not supposed to get recovery until the GRC process. So those were all being included in the filing plus the annual regular CapEx that we have to do for the electric segment. So, that should give you some good approximation there.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Okay. And the $69 million that's the average value for 2022, or was it for 2021?

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Eva Tang

2021 actually.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Okay, awesome. And then I guess just lastly I know AWK on their call they indicated they have a couple of active bids out there said one, being naval station Mayport they thought would be decided this summer. Is that one that you guys are involved with, in terms of trying to win that RFP? And any additional color in terms of when we might get some new bases awarded?

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Jonathan we're very active in the space. I think you could assume that we're, bidding on a number of bases. And Mayport is one that we have submitted a bid on.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

And any of you size Mayport that you think are near in terms of award or is that the only one that kind of seems like maybe a 2022 event?

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I would say, of the traditional utility privatization Mayport is one, that we would think would be awarded. Perhaps, there's another one that will get awarded. I don't know it would be earlier than what is normal. There's a PaxRiver RFP that's out there by the Navy but it's earlier -- I mean it's earlier in the process than Mayport is.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Okay.

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

And then it's possible there'll be quasi awards that are out of the norm, not part of the UPP process that you might -- sorry utility privatization process that may look a little different. I don't know what our competitors are working on. So it's possible you'll see some other awards but probably not, sort of some nontraditional things going on in the space and we're -- I think it's fairly early on in the process but we're just looking at some projects I guess.

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Jonathan Reeder
Wells Fargo

Got you. We'll just stay tuned on that and good luck as is our -- come now hopefully ASUS to be successful.

B
Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen this concludes our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Bob Sprowls for closing remarks.

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Bob Sprowls
President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes, I just want to wrap it up today by again thanking everyone, for their participation on the call today and for their interest in American States Water Company and wish you all a good 2022.

Operator

Thank you, sir. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.