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Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2022-Q2

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Operator

Greetings. Welcome to Broadmark Realty Capital Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded.

I will now turn the conference over to Nevin Boparai, General Counsel. Thank you. You may begin.

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Nevin Boparai
General Counsel

Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us today for Broadmark Realty Capital's second quarter 2022 earnings conference call. In addition to the press release issued this afternoon, we have filed a supplemental package with additional detail on our results, which is available in the Investors section on our website at www.broadmark.com.

As a reminder, remarks made on today's conference call may include forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed today. We do not undertake any obligation to update our forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events. For a more detailed discussion of the factors that may affect the Company's results, please refer to our earnings release for this quarter and to our most recent SEC filings.

During this call, we will also be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures. More information about these non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are contained in our earnings release and SEC filings.

This afternoon's conference call is hosted by Broadmark's Chief Executive Officer, Brian Ward; and Chief Financial Officer, David Schneider. Management will make some prepared comments, after which we will open up the call to your questions.

Now, I will turn the call over to Brian.

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Brian Ward
CEO

Thank you, Nevin, and welcome to our second quarter 2022 earnings call.

This afternoon, I'll begin with some remarks on the macro environment and briefly highlight our second quarter performance, and then turn the call over to David to provide additional detail on our financial results, investment activity and portfolio. We will then open up the call for your questions.

2022 has presented unique and perhaps unprecedented challenges to the economy and financial markets. Spiraling supply-side inflation in the first half of the year caused the Federal Reserve to begin a rate hike cycle that continued into July, within the target Fed fund’s range of 250 basis points since January. Mortgage rates rose in response, reaching over 6% in June before falling over the past few weeks. The recent drop in interest and mortgage rates, while welcome news, is most likely due to recession fears, which are now front and center with two consecutive quarters of negative real GDP growth on the books.

With the crosscurrents of inflation and recession, financial market volatility has hit levels not seen since the global financial crisis. While employment figures remain strong, we are carefully watching for concerning signs in both, the high and low wage sectors of the economy.

While these factors certainly impact Broadmark, I want to emphasize that the foundational principles of our company position us well to perform throughout the cycle in whatever the environment. Indeed, over the last few years, as many in the industry chose to juice near-term earnings with high leverage, we did not. Yet we continue to produce steady and solid unlevered results. Now as markets have shifted and the risks and cost of higher leverage come to the floor, we can continue to execute on our growth strategy as others are forced to pull back or in many cases, cease originations. As a result, we are in a great position to outperform as we move into the next cycle.

We have a strong and experienced team of ground-level real estate investment experts that understand and can underwrite complex credit investments, and we utilize conservative underwriting standards, including significant equity committed to any project. Equally important, we have the lowest levered balance sheet in the industry among public peers. This competitive advantage provides us with the potential to take on capital to fund future originations. And with almost entirely all fixed rate debt, our balance sheet shields us from the impact of higher interest costs, affording us significant stability in today's shifting markets.

While we have invested in a handful of floating rate loans, all have interest rate floors that protect our downside while allowing us to capture upside if the current interest rate trajectory continues.

When I joined Broadmark as Chief Executive Officer earlier this year, my intentions were not to change what has made the Company successful but rather build on our strong foundation to expand our growth opportunities. To that end, we have built a national underwriting team that, while geographically diversified, will focus greater attention on uniform underwriting standards for complex real estate credit and provide better opportunity to scale our financial analysis in relation to our growing originations efforts. Additionally, we have implemented greater rigor and focus around both, our pre and post-funding asset management capabilities, which now operate as the primary credit function for our business.

From our last earnings call, we anticipated minor increases in headcount in both, our pre and post-funding asset management roles with a smaller reallocation of existing resources when compared to our underwriting team. We have now completed almost all of those hires with a few notable ones from our competitors.

One part of strategy that we plan to evolve in the coming quarters is our approach to defaults and REO. Historically, our team has rightfully worked through each situation to achieve the most favorable results for shareholders. This, however, has resulted in us taking longer to cure defaults than may be optimal and has impacted our ability to expeditiously resolve challenges and redeploy capital. While we've rarely incurred a principal loss from these defaults, these extended workout periods have and will continue to cause a meaningful drag on near-term performance.

Looking forward, our strategy will be to strike a more effective balance between maximizing collections, economic efficiency and opportunity costs, recognizing that in certain instances, exiting defaulted loans and reinvesting that capital into new opportunities more quickly could prove a more profitable path.

On the origination side, we will continue to be very active in the small to middle market investment space, which we define as $5 million to $75 million per investment. We will continue to make smaller investments where there is an important relationship play. However, we will seek to move our average loan balance up from about $7 million today to ideally around $15 million, but would anticipate this will take more than 12 to 18 months to accommodate the normal originations and payoff cycle.

We seek to move our average investment balance up because we believe there remains more market fragmentation and less capital markets efficiencies in the space that fits between the small balance, fix and flip business purpose loans, and the larger institutional loans. We also think our capital is more efficient in this space from a total profit perspective.

In addition to continuing our focus on construction loans, which we think remains viable through all parts of the cycle, we're beginning to look at other investments and otherwise gearing our infrastructure to include bridge and transitional financings, asset repositionings, mezzanine loans and participating preferred structures, which could enhance our risk-adjusted returns. On the construction side, we're starting to see better borrowers and better transactions in the high-yield space as other lenders are forced to pull back or cease origination due to the pronounced recent changes in the capital markets.

Now, turning to our second quarter performance. We executed on about $197 million in new originations and amendments for the quarter at an average unlevered yield of 10.1%. As a reminder, origination volumes naturally vary from quarter-to-quarter based on the timing of loan closings. We continue to prudently expand our geographic footprint, and we are now active in 20 states in the District of Columbia, improving the diversification of our portfolio, and we’ll look to add more states as we grow our national platform. As a result, we grew our portfolio to $1.6 billion of loans secured by high-quality real estate with a weighted average loan-to-value ratio at origination of approximately 59.9%. This growth was achieved even as we remain disciplined with our investments and we will remain prudent in our origination approach to ensure we maintain a high-quality loan book, which we believe can withstand the current uncertain macroeconomic environment.

Finally, I would like to thank our strong and committed team for their hard work and contributions amid challenging times. Due diligence and expertise are the true sources of our success. With that, I'll turn it over to David to review the financials.

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David Schneider
CFO

Thanks, Brian, and good afternoon, everyone.

Our operating results are detailed on slide 7 of our earnings presentation. For the second quarter of 2022, we reported total revenue of $28.5 million and net income of $15.9 million. On a per share basis, this reflects a GAAP net income of approximately $0.12 per diluted common share. Adjusting for the impact of nonrecurring costs and other noncash items, our distributable earnings prior to realized loss on investments for the second quarter were $20.7 million or $0.16 per diluted common share.

Interest income on our loans in the second quarter was $22.1 million and fee income was $6.4 million. On the expense side, for the second quarter, we had cash compensation and employee benefit expense of $2.9 million and G&A expense of $3 million. Our total cash compensation and G&A expense normalized relative to the first quarter of 2022 and while up 5.9% from the second quarter of 2021 due primarily to increased headcount in the second half of 2021, we maintain our expectation of approximately $24 million in total cash compensation and G&A expenses for the full year 2022.

With regard to origination volumes, we continue to benefit from our increasing size and scale, which has enabled us to grow our average loan size while keeping our percentage exposure to any individual loan very low. In the second quarter, we executed on 25 originations with an average loan size of $7.9 million. As we look ahead and have stated before, we believe one of our growth opportunities is that as we increase our network, we will be in a position to underwrite larger loans, achieve greater efficiency from an expense perspective, and reach a borrower cohort that typically has better credit metrics.

As of June 30th, our portfolio yield was 13.1%, down from 16% a year ago and over the coming quarters, we expect the portfolio yield to stabilize in the range of 10% to 12%. Additionally, our loans remain short term with a weighted average term of 14 months at origination for the second quarter. The short-term nature of our loans reduces our exposure to interest rate fluctuations. It also allows us to be nimble and pivot quickly as the environment evolves.

Turning to portfolio management. As of June 30th we had a contractual default rate of 13.8% of the total portfolio by value. As a percent, this was up slightly from the first quarter of 2022 but improved nearly 14% from the second quarter of 2021. And as a reminder, these are largely not monetary defaults but rather represent proactive asset management focused on early identification of potential problems to ensure protection of our investment.

During the second quarter, we foreclosed on three loans and received payoff on three loans in contractual default, representing $75 million in total commitment. In addition, we sold one REO property with a carrying value of $28 million for a gain of nearly $700,000. And at quarter end, we owned 10 foreclosed properties with $93 million in carrying value.

From an earnings perspective, as of June 30th, we had approximately $92 million in principal outstanding on loans in nonaccrual status. And loans in nonaccrual status and foreclosed properties continued to result in a drag on earnings of approximately $0.04 per share for the second quarter of 2022. We continue to work diligently to resolve these issues to achieve the best results for Broadmark shareholders. And while we expect the tactical changes described by Brian will ultimately reduce new defaults and enhance default management, this is likely to take time.

One part of the strategy shift will be that there could be times where we determined that exiting a loan in default or foreclosed property with a principal loss and reinvesting that capital into income-producing loans is the most favorable outcome. Ultimately, the goal is to generate strong cash flows and earnings, so we will utilize this strategy as we work to maximize performance.

Now turning to our balance sheet. As detailed on slide 17 of our earnings presentation, we had $36 million of cash and a fully undrawn $135 million credit facility for total liquidity of $171 million as of June 30th. In July, we drew $20 million on our revolving credit facility to support borrower draws and new originations while we rated several large loan payoffs, and we then repaid the balance in full at month-end following the receipt of loan repayments. This demonstrates the value of our credit facility as a cash management tool. We finished July with $56 million of cash and a fully undrawn credit facility for total liquidity of $191 million. With our $100 million of five-year, 5% fixed coupon senior unsecured notes outstanding, we currently have a debt-to-equity ratio of 8.6%, which is unrivaled in the mortgage REIT space.

Maintaining a fortress balance sheet has always been a foundational principle for Broadmark which provides a significant competitive advantage that will enable execution on opportunities in an evolving market. This completes our prepared remarks. We will now open the line for questions. Operator?

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Steve Delaney with JMP Securities.

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Stephen Laws
Raymond James

I guess, my first thing, David, is directed to you. I'm just looking at the expenses and I was wondering if you could give us some color on the real property management expenses. They were just under $1.1 million this year and pretty significantly increased from prior periods. Thank you.

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David Schneider
CFO

Sure. Thanks, Steve, for joining and thanks for the question. So, what's happening there is we've got -- our REO properties have become a little bit more seasoned. And under the GAAP accounting guidance, once a property is no longer under construction and is ready for its intended use, it's no longer -- you're no longer going to capitalize expenses into the principal -- or the investment in the property. So what you're seeing is for some of these seasoned properties that were now completed construction and we're looking to exit in the coming quarters, we can no longer capitalize any kind of maintenance, property taxes, other expenses. So, that's what that $1.1 million represents expenses that we cannot capitalize under GAAP. So, we're expensing them now. There's a good chance we're going to collect those upon exit. We just need to expense them now. And then when we exit the property, they won't be included in the investment in the property, but we may be able to sell it at a gain similar to what we did for the what we did for the one property that we sold in the second quarter.

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Stephen Laws
Raymond James

Great. So ultimately, not necessarily a greater economic loss, but it's more optics as to whether it's through the -- it's been expensed or whether it's capitalized and with the balance. And remind me, David, the -- what triggers that, if you would, again, I was trying to take notes, what triggers the change? Is it when it goes to REO, or what trigger the capital -- or the expense versus capitalization?

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David Schneider
CFO

Sure. Yes. So, as long as -- if you take over a project and the construction is not complete and you're finishing the construction, any of those expenses associated with completion of the remaining construction can be capitalized. Once the property is in a position where it's ready for its intended use and can be rented out and it has a certificate of occupancy, then any of those expenses going forward are going to be expensed directly, still can be recovered through the sale of the property, but they can no longer be capitalized once it's ready for intended use.

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Stephen Laws
Raymond James

Got it. Thank you for clarifying that. And Brian, one for you as well. I'm just curious -- gosh, you haven't been in the job for six months yet, but my question was sort of framed in that respect. Last week, we heard a lot of this -- the bridge lenders that you CLOs comment on the loan pricing kind of year-over-year, but I might as well just say six months ago. And then, we're saying generally, a year ago, they were L plus 300 to 350 that now they are quoting L plus 400 to 450. Just curious how you guys may be -- I know you're changing your mix a little bit and looking more for -- to add some bridge versus construction. But have you been able to or decided to up your prices as well, or is it more of an upgrade in terms of property types? Thank you.

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Brian Ward
CEO

Yes, sure. I mean -- so I'm surprised they're quoting that number, I would have guessed even more than that. What I can say, Steven, is that we certainly have seen as a result of sort of market dislocation, some pretty rapid movements in pricing. I think there is -- there is a difficulty in sort of figuring out the bid ask a little bit for some folks. And I'd say price discovery is a little bit challenged right now. I mean one of the things that we like, obviously, being the lowest levered balance sheet amongst public peers is these types of dislocations, disruptions would suggest the market sort of coming our way. I don't want to leave the audience with the impression that that somehow gives us a definitive standard or a sustainable standard going forward because I think right now, it's really hard to call. But certainly, the markets are -- the pricing is widening very quickly, which for us playing in the small to medium balance high-yield space, presents us with competitive advantage, particularly with the unlevered balance sheet.

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Stephen Laws
Raymond James

Yes. And it would seem that you have more flexibility given that your leverage and your structure doesn't really force you into a CLO financing. You can hold most of your loans on an unlevered and still get the return you want. So, seems like...

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Brian Ward
CEO

All right. Yes. I'm sorry, I'm stepping on you, but you've hit the nail on the head. I mean, the unlevered balance sheet, we believe is significant with respect to our competitive advantage. We believe particularly in situations like we've got where markets do get dislocated and leverage plays a heavy hand with some of the other folks in the industry. It just allows us to have a clearer runway and a clear path in terms of our investment strategy. Of course, we are unlevered in returns that we deliver as opposed to levered, which sometimes people get -- either get skewed or can be confused with folks, but having an unlevered balance sheet and unlevered returns right now, we think, is particularly unique.

Operator

Our next question is from Christian Mark [ph] with Piper Sandler.

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Crispin Love
Piper Sandler

Thank you. This is Crispin Love from Piper Sandler. So, good afternoon, Brian and David. Can you just give an update on the construction lending environment here and just how it's progressed over the last few months from your seat? And I guess, what I'm asking is just some color on the shortages in raw materials, construction time lines, labor inflation, just have all these factors -- or have any of these factors have been improving from what you've been seeing? And then, what's your outlook?

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Brian Ward
CEO

There's a couple of dynamics at play here, first, with respect to our role as a small to middle market construction lender. What I can tell you is that we are seeing today more transactions with better borrowers and better opportunity. That doesn't mean that the door is wide open. We're still very carefully underwriting investments. And there are other challenges at play, which are necessitating us to make sure we're very careful. But because of the pullback from others in the market because of what's occurred, we're seeing increased opportunity but again, still being very selective in the investments that we're making. That being said, answering kind of part two of your question, certainly, there are still pressures in the broader markets around overall construction costs and supply chain, those and labor. Those matters anecdotally are getting better, but they're not nearly to where they were pre-crisis. And so, our borrowers are certainly, in certain instances, wrestling with those things. I wouldn't say it's across the board. It depends on asset, market and a whole host of other things. But yes, we're still seeing some of that. Generally, it feels like it's improving.

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Crispin Love
Piper Sandler

All right. My next question was going to be on kind of demand for construction lots. And just based on your commentary there, it seems like the demand has stayed stable or actually increased? Do you think that demand is coming from competitors of yours pulling back or there being more demand from the borrowers?

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Brian Ward
CEO

It's the former, competitors pulling back and opening up the door for us more in the high-yield space to provide value to our clientele. We talked about this in the last conference call. We hoped that it would occur. The near-term signs suggest that it is occurring, but I cannot tell you that it will continue to occur. It's -- there's just too many unknowns right now. And like I said earlier in my comments, between sort of price discovery and bid-ask, it's a little bit too soon to call the ball on this. But early indications would suggest that this is playing out in some respect how we thought it might.

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Crispin Love
Piper Sandler

And then just one last one for me. Just on the dividend, you've held it consistent at $0.07 per month for a while now despite falling short of covering that with distributable earnings. So, I'm just curious if you can share your thoughts on the dividend level, how the Board thinks about the dividend level? And if you think you can get back to covering it with distributable earnings over kind of the near to intermediate term?

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Brian Ward
CEO

Sure. I mean what I can say is this, the Board is hyperconscious of all of the different forces at play in making dividend decisions. We have a very experienced Board, and they certainly, again, understand the various issues or concerns that might be raised. And they look at it as a Board would consistently in relation to our business. And I guess, that would be my best way of answering it. Crispin is they get it. And the Board will make those determinations as they go.

Operator

Our next question is from Stephen Laws with Raymond James.

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Stephen Laws
Raymond James

I think you guys both touched on the REOs and the process. Perhaps if you could maybe give us a little bit more detail. It looks like you resolved or sold one for a gain that you foreclosed on about a year ago. Can you talk about what a normal resolution path and time frame is? And David, you may have been pointing us or both of you may have mentioned it about best interest maybe to sell something at a loss now to recycle capital to new investments. So, maybe the thought process and thoughts around timing of disposition of some of these assets to resolution?

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Brian Ward
CEO

Yes. Thanks, Stephen. I'll take it and then I would ask David, if you could please add color commentary as we go. I've been in the role only five months. And what I can say is that because of the nature of how we invest, where we invest, some of these will just take longer to sort out than others. I've talked previously about some of the tactical changes that we've made to put us in position to more proactively address the asset management of NPLs. We now have that team really in place and are going. It will continue to be a question of fact as to how we proceed on a particular investment. But I guess suffice it to say that we understand that time is of the essence with respect to these investments, but we also are very conscious about our responsibilities to shareholders and trying to maximize value wherever we can. And because this is real estate, sometimes these things take a little bit longer than people would like.

So, with that, I would ask David to chime in here further.

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David Schneider
CFO

Sure. Yes, Stephen, just on your commentary on -- so yes, we sold the Sage Creek, Moab, Utah that we had talked about. We foreclosed on that about a year ago. I think we were expecting, hopefully, two -- two to three quarters. We ended up just in the first half of the second quarter being able to exit that at a positive economic situation, a gain of about $700,000. In terms of the other REOs, we foreclosed on three, two primarily being the senior housing facilities.

In terms of time line, it's a bit unique to each project. The Sage Creek one that we just sold this quarter had limited construction that needs to get done. So, it was really cooperating getting any limited construction done and then finding the right exit that was the best economic outcome. I'd say, we'll take the same approach for the senior housing facilities, the others and just look to -- we're not property managers. We're not in the business to be operators of REO. So, any construction that needs to get complete or if there's an opportunity to exit prior to completing construction, we're going to look at all those options and do what's right from an earnings per share perspective and redeploy that capital into income-earning loans. So, I think you'll see us be more aggressive with those and hopefully bring that time line 12 months, it was for this one that we just closed. I'm hoping that near-term time lines are going to be significantly less than that for other REO properties.

Operator

Our next question is from Eric Hagen with BTIG.

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Eric Hagen
BTIG

Maybe a couple of questions for me. First, just what is a rough time line to think about with respect to the unfunded commitments in the portfolio and how you balance the paydowns and the reinvestments and the just the overall flexibility that you have to fund those commitments? And then, maybe you can talk about the relative attractiveness that you see in different, call it, property types, loan purposes, geographies. Like, where do you expect to lean with respect to, again, just the various types of loans that you're able to originate? And why those are more compelling than others per se? Thanks.

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David Schneider
CFO

Thanks, Eric. I'll start with the kind of liquidity, I think, question, how you put it. So, we have a lot of flexibility from our liquidity perspective. As we mentioned in our prepared comments, we got some nice payoffs post quarter-end, and we're probably at about $60 million of cash now and a fully undrawn credit facility of $135 million. And the real -- the reason we got -- we thought it was so critical to get the credit facility was managing those unfunded commitments. Those are going to come in over a year. The way we think about those is we've got the credit facility as a cash management tool in between large payoffs. We're expecting some healthy payoff production in Q3, which will keep our liquidity relatively high.

We think about it as a total liquidity perspective. So I would say our current total liquidity is about 14 months of operating cash requirements without getting -- sourcing any new capital. So, we're quite comfortable getting through the rest of the year, executing on our pipeline, drawing on the credit facility as needed and then repaying it back as large payoffs come in. We've got some storage facility deals that we expect to pay off in Q3, which are pretty sizable. So, we're thinking about it from a total liquidity perspective, 12 to 14 months of operating cash requirements is what we want between our cash on balance sheet and the credit facility itself.

So, a lot of flexibility. If things come to fruition, and as Brian can talk to you more and there's lots of opportunities out there, we don't need to source capital. If there's windows of stability that open and we can raise capital, we're going to take advantage of those to make sure we can execute on our pipeline.

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Brian Ward
CEO

Eric, forgive me. So, the second part of your question, could I summarize it in saying it's really questions about markets and asset class? Is that fair?

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Eric Hagen
BTIG

That's right, yes. That's right. Just the relative attractiveness that you see across the spectrum of what you're able to originate right now?

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Brian Ward
CEO

Got it. Okay. So, while -- in our prepared remarks, we mentioned that we're invested in 20 markets. Really, 70% of our portfolio is invested in Washington, Colorado, Utah and Texas. And by the way, you can correlate that to probably four of the most robust markets in terms of job growth, not just today, but really for the long-term future in the United States. So, while we will continue to expand our markets and are certainly actively exploring growth opportunities and think that if the present trajectory continues those growth opportunities in terms of markets come our way, it's just really important to back up and understand that 70% of our book is in 4 of the best markets in America.

Secondly, if you look at the composition of our portfolio by asset class, we're heavily, heavily invested in multifamily and what I'll call business-oriented single-family, which is -- we have a large investment in town homes, a much smaller investment in condos and even smaller in single family. And so that's about 70% of our overall book between the, what I'll call the broader resi space and 30% of our book spread between commercial with the largest asset class in commercial being on storage, and obviously, a very robust and well-proven asset class through all parts of the cycle.

So, I envision Broadmark as we go forward to continue our focus in the space. I'm sure you and the entire audience are very aware of the broader longer-term supply and demand dynamics around housing generally and really this significant long-term shortage. We are very long and very bullish on that strategy generally and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. And by the way, I should note that Broadmark also because of our focus and expertise in construction. It becomes -- and construction being one of the more complex asset classes to invest in, it becomes a great baseline for our ambitions to embark into other opportunities, whether it be bridge or value-add asset repositioning or mezz and the like, the underwriting, the cognitive requirements for construction just play really well for those other opportunities.

Operator

And our final question is from Matthew Howlett with B. Riley.

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Matthew Howlett
B. Riley

First, you said the capital markets. Can you just little talk about what type of pricing or access you’d have to the capital markets today in terms of debt?

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David Schneider
CFO

Sure. Yes. I mean I think we talked a little bit -- I think Steve Delaney mentioned the spread. Obviously, the 5% fixed rate coupon deal we did in November looks pretty magical right now, and is not something we could execute currently. I think there's still -- kind of like Brian's comments on the asset yield side, I think there's still some price discovery going on in terms of what folks can execute on. We saw a couple of deals get priced and done more in the convert market. We haven't seen a lot of the private placement unsecured bonds that we really like, and we did the first time around. So, we're still understanding the interest, looking for those windows of stability. But yes, it's going to be anything that we would execute at is we're going to wait for something competitive.

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Brian Ward
CEO

Yes. And I want to -- I just want to drive on a really important point here, which is we can -- we have the balance sheet, we can execute, and we have because of our current liquidity situation, as David has mentioned in earlier comments, not only do we have the ability to execute because of our balance sheet, but we also have the time. And we'll continue to try and make the best decisions we can for the benefit of our shareholders in light of those two benefits to what we've got. Again, I sort of finish where I started, which is I just can't emphasize enough the importance of an unlevered balance sheet.

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David Schneider
CFO

And Matt, I would just add, it's ultimately math, right? We look at the widening of spreads, we look at the Fed funds rate and you can take what a 5% coupon was and layer on and get to a number. But we -- again, we're not in a rush. We don't need to execute until something is attractive and accretive for us to do it.

Operator

We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Ward for closing comments.

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Brian Ward
CEO

Thank you. Again, I appreciate all of your great questions and for your interest in Broadmark. We're honored. And we will look forward to speaking with you next quarter.

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.

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