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Earnings Call Transcript
2019-Q3

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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Dycom Results Conference Call. At this time, all the participant lines are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Steven Nielsen. Please go ahead.

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Greg. Good morning, everyone. I'd like to thank you for attending this conference call to review our Third Quarter Fiscal 2019 Results.

Going to Slide 3. During this call, we will be referring to a slide presentation which can be found on our website's Investor Center main page. Relevant slides will be identified by number throughout our presentation.

Today we have on the call, Tim Estes, our Chief Operating Officer, Drew DeFerrari, our Chief Financial Officer, and Rick Vilsoet, our Chief Legal Officer.

Now, I will turn the call over to Rick Vilsoet.

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Richard Vilsoet

Thank you, Steve. Except for historical information, the statements made by Company management during this call may be forward-looking and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements including those related to the Company's outlook are based on management's current expectations, estimates and projections and involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties which may cause the Company's actual results in future periods to differ materially from forecasted results.

Those risks and uncertainties are more fully described in the Company's transition report on Form 10-K for the six months ended January 27, 2018 and other periodic filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The Company assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements.

Steve?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Rick. Now moving to Slide 4 and a review of our third quarter results. As you review our results, please note that we have presented in our release and comments, certain revenue amounts that exclude revenues from storm restoration services during the quarter and the prior year quarter and from a business acquired during the April 2018 quarter.

We will also reference Adjusted EBITDA, Adjusted Net Income, and Adjusted Diluted Earnings per Share. All of these measures are Non-GAAP financial measures. See Slides 13 through 21 for a reconciliation of our non-GAAP measures to GAAP measures.

Revenue was $848.2 million, an increase of 12.2%. Organic revenue, excluding $3.9 million of storm restoration services in the quarter and $15.9 million in the year ago quarter increased 12.9%. As we deployed 1 gigabit wireline networks, wireless/wireline converged networks and wireless networks, this quarter reflected an increase in demand from four key customers.

Gross margins were 18.99% of revenue and general and administrative expenses were 8.11%. All of these factors produced adjusted EBITDA of $98.6 million or 11.6% of revenue and adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.98, compared to $0.99 in the year ago quarter.

Liquidity was ample as cash and availability under our credit facility was $350.1 million and during the quarter, we amended and restated our credit facility increasing revolver capacity to $750 million, our term loan to $450 million and extended the maturity to October 2023.

Going to slide 5. Today, a number of major industry participants are deploying significant wireline networks across broad sections of the country. These networks are generally designed to provision bandwidth enabling 1 gigabit speeds to individual consumers.

In addition, emerging wireless technologies are driving significant wireline deployments. These wireline

deployments are necessary to facilitate what is expected to be a decades’ long deployment of fully converged wireless/wireline networks that will enable high bandwidth, low latency applications. The industry effort required to deploy these converged networks continues to meaningfully broaden our set of opportunities.

Total industry opportunities in aggregate, are robust. We are providing program management, planning, engineering and design, aerial and underground construction and fulfillment services for 1 gigabit deployments. These services are being provided across the country in dozens of metropolitan areas to a number of customers.

In addition, we have secured a number of converged wireless/wireline multi-use network deployments. Customers are continuing to reveal with specificity new multi-year initiatives that are being planned and

managed on a market-by-market basis. Our ability to provide integrated planning, engineering and design, procurement and construction and maintenance services is of particular value to several industry participants.

As with prior large-scale network deployments, we expect some normal timing volatility and customer spending modulations as network deployment strategies and technologies evolve. Tactical considerations, may also impact timing. We remain confident that our competitively unparalleled scale and our financial strength position us well to deliver valuable service to our customers.

Now moving to Slide 6. We continue to experience the effects of a strong overall industry environment during the quarter with increases in demand from four key customers.

Organic revenue, excluding storm restoration services increased 12.9%. Our top five customers combined, produced 78.4% of revenue, increasing 18.3% organically, while all other customers decreased 2.9%.

Comcast was our largest customer at 20.8% of total revenue or $176.3 million. Comcast grew 8.7% organically. Revenue from Verizon was $174.1 million or $20.5% of revenue. Verizon was Dycom’s second largest customer and grew 115.9% organically. AT&T was our third largest customer at $164.6 million or 19.4% of revenue. AT&T was our third largest customer grew organically 14.9%.

Revenue from CenturyLink was $118.8 million, or 14% of revenue. CenturyLink was our fourth largest

customer. And finally, revenue from Windstream was $31.1 million, or 3.7% of revenue. Windstream was our fifth largest customer grew organically 1%. Of note, this quarter is the first since the April 2017 quarter where four of our top-five customers have grown organically.

We are encouraged with our double-digit organic growth and that we have continue to extend our geographic reach and expand our program management network planning services.

In fact, over the last several years, we have meaningfully increased the long-term value of our maintenance and operations business, a trend which we believe will parallel our deployment of 1 gigabit in wireless/wireline converged networks as those deployments dramatically increase the amount of outside plant network that must be extended and maintained.

Going to Slide 7, backlog at the end of the third quarter was $7.313 billion versus $7.881 billion at the end of the July 2018 quarter, a decrease of over $568 million. Of this backlog, approximately $2.616 billion is expected to be completed in the next 12 months. The total backlog calculation reflects solid performance as we book new work and renewed existing work. We continue to anticipate substantial future opportunities across a broad array of our customers.

For Verizon, we were awarded a construction services agreements in various locations with CenturyLink construction services in California, Utah and Colorado. From TDS Telecom, a construction services agreement in Tennessee. For various customers locating services in California, New Jersey, Tennessee and South Carolina. And finally, we secured rural fiber services agreements in Texas, Wisconsin, Indiana, Kentucky and Alabama. Headcount increased during the quarter to 14,865.

Now, I will turn the call over to Drew for his financial review and outlook.

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Andrew DeFerrari

Thanks, Steve, and good morning, everyone. Going to Slide 8. Contract revenues for Q3 2019 were $848.2 million and organic revenue growth was 12.9% reflecting increases from four key customers.

Storm restoration services contributed $3.9 million of revenue in Q3 2019 compared to $15.9 million in the year ago period. Also revenue from acquired business contributed $8.8 million of revenue in Q3 2019. Adjusted EBITDA was $98.6 million or 11.6% of revenue.

Gross margins were at 19% and declined 156 basis points from the October quarter last year. G&A expense decreased 43 basis points, compared to the prior year quarter. Our non-GAAP adjusted diluted EPS in Q3 2019 was $0.98 per share.

Now, going to Slide 9. Our balance sheet and financial profile continue to reflect the strength of our business. In October, we entered into a new five-year amended and restated credit agreement. The new agreement increased the maximum revolver commitments to $750 million from $450 million and increased the outstanding term loan to $450 million from $346 million. We ended the quarter with no revolver borrowings outstanding.

Liquidity is ample at $350 million at the end of the quarter, consisting of availability on our credit facility and cash on hand. Cash used in operations was $55.5 million. The combined DSOs of accounts receivable and contract assets net were 106 days for Q3 2019. This increased from the July – from July reflected the impact of the sequential revenue increase for the quarter including storm work, as well as the timing of invoicing and collections on large customer programs.

We expect substantial collections during the January quarter based on recent invoicing and normal seasonal collection patterns.

Capital expenditures were $42.6 million during Q3 2019 net of disposal proceeds and gross CapEx was $47.3 million. Based on current trend, we anticipate capital expenditures, net of disposal proceeds to range from $150 million to $160 million for this fiscal year ending in January 2019.

In summary, we continue to maintain ample liquidity and a strong balance sheet.

Going to our outlook on Slides 10 and 11. Each year, our January quarterly results are impacted by seasonality including inclement weather, fewer available work days due to the holidays, reduced daylight work hours, and the restart of calendar payroll taxes. These and other factors may have a pronounced impact on our actual results for the January quarter compared to our expectations.

For the January 2019 quarter, we expect total revenue to range from $695 million to $745 million. Non-GAAP adjusted diluted EPS to range from $0.02 to $0.24 per share and adjusted EBITDA margin to range from 8.4% to 9.2% of revenue.

For the January quarter, we also expect depreciation of $39.9 million to $40.9 million and amortization of $5.4 million. Share-based compensation included in G&A expense of approximately $5.3 million, adjusted interest expense of approximately $7.6 million, excluding $4.9 million of interest for the non-cash debt discount amortization on our notes. Other income net is expected to range from $0 million to $0.6 million. The effective tax rate is expected at 27.6% in Q4 2019 before any tax effects of the settlement of share-based awards.

Now going to Slide 11. Based on our year-to-date results, through the October quarter, and our expectations for the January quarter, our expected full year results are, revenues which range from $3.074 billion to $3.124 billion and non-GAAP adjusted diluted EPS which ranges from $2.70 to $2.92 per share.

Now I will turn the call back to Steve.

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Drew. Going to Slide 12. Within a growing economy, we experienced the effects of a strong industry environment and capitalized on our significant strengths. First and foremost, we maintained strong customer relationships throughout our markets. We continue to win an extend contracts at attractive pricing.

Secondly, the strength of those relationships and the extensive market presence they have created has allowed us to be at the forefront of evolving industry opportunities. The end-market drivers of these opportunities remain firm and are strengthening.

Fiber deployments in contemplation of emerging wireless technologies have begun in many regions of the country. Wireless construction activity in support of expanded coverage and capacity is poised to accelerate through the deployment of enhanced macro cells and new small cells. Telephone companies are deploying Fiber-To-The-Home to enable 1-gigabit high-speed connections.

Cable operators are deploying fiber to small and medium businesses and enterprises. A portion of these deployments are in anticipation of the customer sales process. Fiber deep deployments to expand capacity as well as new build opportunities are increasing.

Dramatically increased speeds to consumers are being provisioned. Customers are consolidating supply chains, creating opportunities for market share growth and increasing the long-term value of our maintenance and operations business.

In addition, we are increasingly providing integrated planning, engineering and design, procurement and construction and maintenance services. Within this context, we believe we are uniquely positioned to manage and capitalize to meaningfully experience an improving industry environment for the benefit of our shareholders.

We remain encouraged with our major customers possess significant financial strength and are committed to multi-year capital spending initiatives. We remain confident in our strategies with prospects for our company, the capabilities of our dedicated employees and the experience of our management team as we grow our business.

Now, Greg, we will open the call for questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Alex Rygiel from B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

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Alex Rygiel
B. Riley FBR

Thanks. Nice quarter, Steve.

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Alex.

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Alex Rygiel
B. Riley FBR

Steve, can you help me to bridge the difference between your twelve month backlog being down 14% year-over-year. Your organic growth guidance in the fiscal fourth quarter being a positive 10% to 15%?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So, as you know, for about two-thirds of the business was our master service agreements. We look backwards to get a runrate, which increased because the organic growth is coming back. But we have renewals that happened throughout the year. We have some key renewals that have already occurred subsequent to the October quarter. And so, we don’t see that as a particular problem.

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Alex Rygiel
B. Riley FBR

And then, turning over to DSOs of 106 in the quarter. That’s a big step-up sequentially and year-over-year. In each one of the last, kind of handful of years, DSOs have been kind of creeping higher. Is there any way to reverse that trend? Or is that just an industry phenomenon that you are just managing through?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

So, there are couple of near-term factors. So, we had a very strong October. So, clearly that’s going to impact the DSO calculation. We also had pretty significant billings towards the end of the quarter, which we expect to collect this quarter. And so, we don’t see any particular long-term significance to the movement in the DSO in the October quarter.

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Alex Rygiel
B. Riley FBR

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chad Dillard from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

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Chad Dillard
Deutsche Bank

Hi, good morning guys.

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning, Chad.

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Chad Dillard
Deutsche Bank

So, against the backdrop of the next 12 months backlog coming down about $2.6 billion. So, what’s your confidence level of being able to grow the business from a revenue and net earnings perspective into calendar 2019? And maybe you can walk through some of the moving parts here?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

So, Chad, we are encouraged to begin with that the October quarter that we just reported was up over 12%. That’s the first time we’ve had double-digit organic growth since the April 2017 quarter. We had growth across four of our top-five customers. And so, if you look at our guidance for the fourth quarter, that also implies at the midpoint double-digit organic growth. So, we see a good trend emerging in the business.

As I mentioned to Alex, the way we calculate backlog under master service agreements, it’s a look backwards measure. We’ve not only had some renewals subsequent to the October quarter, we’ve had some nice wins and so, we are not concerned about backlog being an impediment to growing the business. We got to execute. But we are pleased that we had double-digit growth in the October quarter and are guiding at the midpoint to the same in the January quarter.

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Chad Dillard
Deutsche Bank

That’s helpful. And then, just switching over to margins. As I look at, how that – what you are implying in your January quarter guide, it looks like, we think the incremental EBITDA margins are about like 5%. I compare that to historical, it seems like it’s a little bit light. I just want to understand, how to think about that trajectory of the incremental as we go forward?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So, if we look at the October quarter, we had EBITDA margins in our range. That’s a good thing, but at the low-end. We certainly didn’t get any help from Hurricane Florence. We have substantial operations in the Carolinas, in the Mid-Atlantic. It was pretty wet there. I think you have seen the news. Texas has been pretty wet. I think historically wet. And so that impacted the October quarter.

And we are just taking a prudent view of weather. We had a wet week last week in the Mid-Atlantic again. In fact, some of our businesses have worked last weekend to make up work as we have things to do. But we just don’t want to get ahead of ourselves in what is the most uncertain weather quarter of the year.

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Chad Dillard
Deutsche Bank

Got it. Okay. If we think through – I guess, maybe beyond this quarter in terms of incremental margins, I mean, like how should we think about that as we see the cycle starting to pick up here?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So, I think, what was encouraging about the October quarter is that, we had double-digit growth across the top-five, almost 18%. We had one customer that’s growing substantially. And also others that began to grow, I think as that growth becomes better distributed. And that gives us opportunities to manage better.

We can always execute better. We got a number of initiatives that we are working on as we always do. But, when you have a customer that doubles, year-over-year and grows nicely sequentially, there is some effort there that we’ve got to factor into our outlook for the fourth quarter.

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Chad Dillard
Deutsche Bank

Great. That’s helpful. Thanks guys. I’ll jump back in queue.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tahira Afzal from KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

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Tahira Afzal
KeyBanc Capital Markets

Hi, Steve, congrats on being back on track.

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Tahira.

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Tahira Afzal
KeyBanc Capital Markets

Steve, obviously, Verizon, a pretty nice surprise in terms of the step-up. Should we assume, based on that in your commentary in regards to the question that, we started a step-up, but maybe this is just an inflection point and we continue to see a nice step-up from this point forward?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

I mean, we continue to work hard to grow the business. There has been a lot of growth in the business. But once again, if you look at our fourth quarter guidance, that double-digit organic growth across the whole business, we were continuing to work hard to meet all of our customers’ needs.

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Tahira Afzal
KeyBanc Capital Markets

Got it. Okay, Steve. And then, if I look back historically, you have had quarters that AT&T which grow above $200 million. When you look at what you are seeing in prospects for Verizon, could we see those types of quarters going forward for Verizon?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I think, if you look at the growth rate that is implied, once again, Tahira, in the fourth quarter, we are not guiding to - beyond the fourth quarter. But clearly, your second customers got to continue to grow with overall you think your double-digits across all the customers.

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Tahira Afzal
KeyBanc Capital Markets

Got it. Okay, Steve. So, I mean, we could be back in the mid-teens type of revenue growth scenario sometime next year?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

We are not guiding to next year. We are pleased for the first time since October 2017 that we had double-digit organic growth.

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Tahira Afzal
KeyBanc Capital Markets

Got it, Steve. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Adam Thalhimer from Thompson Davis. Please go ahead.

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Adam Thalhimer
Thompson Davis

Hey, good morning guys.

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Hey, Adam.

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Adam Thalhimer
Thompson Davis

Steve, can you comment on the bidding environment in general? And I am just curious the backlog that you printed last quarter, do you think that’s the high watermark for the cycle?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

So, there is a lot of work out there, Adam. We think we are getting our fair share. We are working hard as always to get more. We had some encouraging wins for an expansion of a relationship into some new geographies subsequent to the October quarter and some renewals. So, I think we will continue to have good opportunity.

Once again, Adam, because of the duration and the nature of these master service agreements, as runrates go up, you may be able to have revaluation of the remaining term as we see more growth. So, I am not here to say one way or another, but we feel good about the environment.

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Adam Thalhimer
Thompson Davis

But what was the – are you able to quantify the wins in November?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

As you know, Adam, we never break down below total backlog by customer. But we are encouraged with what’s going on in the industry.

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Adam Thalhimer
Thompson Davis

And then, Drew, I was hoping you could provide a little more color on the cash flow you talked about for Q4 and then also, do you think interest expense – I think you got at 7.5 or 7.6 for Q4. Do you think we ticked down from there as we head into 2020?

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Andrew DeFerrari

Yes, so, Adam, on the cash flow, as we talked about, we did get substantial invoicing done during the quarter and as we made on the comments, we think we can improve on collections in the fourth quarter. As far as interest, we did – as we entered into the new agreement, we did expand the term loan. And then rates have ticked up a little bit over the past couple of quarters as well. And so, that’s where we laid it out.

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, the offset was under the new facility that spreads came in. So, we did get some – we did get some relief on the spreads.

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Adam Thalhimer
Thompson Davis

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Noelle Dilts from Stifel. Please go ahead. And Noelle has disconnected her line. We’ll go on to the line of Jennifer Fritzsche from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Jennifer, your line is open.

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

You may be on mute.

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Jennifer Fritzsche
Wells Fargo

Sorry, I was. Sorry. Thank you for taking the question. I am sorry if I missed this. But can you comment on your wireless business? What the revenue contribution was for that? And specifically, if you guys could parse out the AT&T business you did, how much of that was related to the FirstNet effort?

And then, secondly, I’d call it a bigger picture question. Steve, how much of your time is spent, kind of looking for ways to – I don’t know, automate the business seems to cliché, but for ways to streamline your cost and just like thinking ahead in terms of different cost initiatives? Thanks.

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Thanks, Jennifer. So, overall, total wireless revenue was just under 8% of the whole business. And we will go specifically by customer, but I would say we are encouraged that we see that growing faster than the wireline business. We are seeing as AT&T has commented publicly the FirstNet initiative is beginning to expand. We are seeing an activity.

There has been other industry participants who have talked about that. And so, we are encouraged there. And then, I think, Jennifer, you bring up a great point. I mean, a number of the technologies that we are deploying, particularly on the wireless and small cell side, we are beginning to take advantage of in how we manage our field workforce. And I think there is opportunities there over the next five years for more enhancements in both safety, productivity, project management. In the next five years, we will change more than it has probably in the last 20. So, it’s nice to be able to – to be a beneficiary of the technology that we are a part of deploying.

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Jennifer Fritzsche
Wells Fargo

Got it. And if I could just on AT&T and understand you don’t want to give a lot of color there. But as AT&T talks about completing their fiber build next summer, once they hit 14 million homes, it seems like from what I am hearing you say, wireless is a contributor as well, where they continue to have more work to do it seems like?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, no, I think, they, as well as everybody is looking to enhance wireless through small cell deployments. There is a good portion of that, that is a close analog to wireline services and we see that growing. And what, we are encouraged generally that as they comment about their fiber program that they are getting very high penetration rates that they seem very pleased with the economic performance of new subscribers that they are signing up.

And while we always know that the customers have lots of competing needs for capital, we think overtime, we like to be part of programs where they are successfully selling the service that we are enabling through our network deployment. So, we will just have to see down the road how that plays out.

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Jennifer Fritzsche
Wells Fargo

Thank you.

Operator

And we will try the line of Noelle Dilts again from Stifel. Please go ahead.

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Noelle Dilts
Stifel

Thank you. Sorry about that. My line cut out. Apologies.

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

And then, have you’ve been on fiber, Noelle, maybe it have been more reliable.

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Noelle Dilts
Stifel

Maybe so.

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Okay.

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Noelle Dilts
Stifel

So, Steve, you did not mention permitting in the presentation today. I am curious if you are seeing some improvement there as it relates to the pace of work release and the timing of some of this permits going through? And then, maybe if you could just comment on how you are thinking about crew productivity and what it will take for that kind of to step-up and help drive improved margins?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

So, Noelle, I think, we will go back and say, look, we had nice sequential growth in the quarter from the July quarter. Organically, ex storm services, we were up a little over $93 million year-over-year. So, clearly, we are getting more work done. We can always do better. More work means, we’ve had more opportunity to go to work. But that doesn’t mean we are not continuing to work hard to expand that effort. So, we are encouraged by the trends in the business. But we are continuing to work hard to make them better.

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Noelle Dilts
Stifel

Okay. And I think, we’ve heard from a number of – across industries and number of different companies that’s finding and retaining labor has been challenging. Are you seeing any real labor cost inflation? If so, how is the industry absorbing and customers are they willing to absorb price increases? And, can you just comment on what Dycom is doing to kind of attract and retain key people?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So, look, any time, we are growing in by extension, the industry is growing. So, once again, year-over-year, we grew kind of in excess of $90 million. You are putting resources together to meet your customers’ needs. It’s not unusual in that environment with where unemployment is that there are going to be some spot shortages of different skillsets.

We have active training programs. We have active recruiting. We’ve gone to online onboarding and recruiting. So we are taking cost out of our recruiting process. And we think we are an attractive employer for people to come to work. So, it’s something that we work through in other parts of our history. It’s never easy. But if you work hard at it, and are a good employer, that you will attract the talent over time that you need.

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Noelle Dilts
Stifel

Okay. Thanks. And any chance, Drew that you could fill out the top customers and facilities and utility revenues?

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Andrew DeFerrari

Sure. Thanks, Noelle. Charter was number six at 3.5%, Frontier Communications was number seven at 1.7%, Crown Castle was number eight at 1.3%, Dominion Energy was number nine at 1% and iSource was number ten at 1%. Telco was at 66.8%, cable was at 24.3%, facility locating was 5.8% and electrical and other was 3.1%.

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Noelle Dilts
Stifel

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Alan Mitrani from Sylvan Lake. Please go ahead.

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Alan Mitrani
Sylvan Lake Management

Hi, thank you. Steve, can you talk about the housing market? It seems like we are seeing a pretty rapid slowdown in the last couple months as it looks like given rates where they are or the permits today even came out pretty disappointing.

Can you say what you are seeing from your business? And do you think that will trickle into the market next year? I realize you have the 4G to 5G coming and you have a fiber build. But do you think the general economy and the housing starts can impact your business as you get to the middle of the year?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Clearly, Alan, we extend networks into new sub-divisions. So, there is certainly some impact. It’s a much smaller portion of the business than it was ten, fifteen years ago, because the housing market is obviously smaller. On the other hand, we also have a number as you highlighted of other large programs that are not housing-sensitive. And so, sure we are following it.

But the impact on the business, the direct impact of housing is smaller than it was in the past. For example, in the last cycle, we had the wireless business. So, clearly, housing has little or no direct impact on that portion of the business.

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Alan Mitrani
Sylvan Lake Management

Okay. And then, also on the DSOs, I realize it was late in the quarter. But obviously a lot of the shift is towards Verizon. Verizon looks like they are trying to lay off or give buy out quarter of their workforce. Is there any disruption in general with them or with others because of the interface of your employees to them and some of the changes in personnel?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

I would not think about it that way, Alan. It’s a big program. We have a number of large programs that are ramping up. It’s not unusual. Although we need to work hard every day to get through it to have new systems and new processes put into place. We did get some invoicing done pretty substantially towards the end of the quarter. We feel confident with the ability to get that back in line.

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Alan Mitrani
Sylvan Lake Management

Okay. And then on the stock buyback, it looks like you only bought about 16 million this quarter stocks come in. You have the extra capacity. You are going to have good cash flow quarters - next couple of quarters. Can you give us your thoughts on stock buyback or M&A or how you can grow the business from that perspective?

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, Alan, to be clear, we did not repurchase any shares in the quarter. We do have the buybacks. As we’ve always said, we are going to make sure that we take care of the organic growth of the business. Once again, $95 million year-over-year and $40 million sequentially. So we want to make sure that we do that.

We will look as, as we feel comfortable in that area and we will work the share repurchases versus M&A based on kind of what our assessment on relative returns. We bought a lot of stock back over the years. So, it’s something we are always considering. But first and foremost, we take care of the business and take care of the customers.

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Alan Mitrani
Sylvan Lake Management

Thank you.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And sir, at this time, there are no further questions.

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Steven Nielsen
President and Chief Executive Officer

All right. Well, thank you everyone for dialing in. We wish you a happy Thanksgiving to all our folks that are still working on restoring service due to the hurricanes. We appreciate all your hard work and we’ll talk to you again at the end of February. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude your conference for today. Thank you for your participation and for using AT&T Executive Teleconference. You may now disconnect.