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Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2017-Q4

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Operator

Good day, everyone, and thank you all for joining us to discuss Equity LifeStyle Properties' Fourth Quarter and Year end 2017 Results. Our featured speakers today are Marguerite Nader, our President and CEO; Paul Seavey; our Executive Vice President and CFO; and Patrick Waite, our Executive Vice President and COO.

In advance of today's call, management released earnings. Today's call will consist of opening remarks and a question-and-answer session with management relating to the company's earnings release. As a reminder, this call is being recorded.

Certain matters discussed during this conference call may contain forward-looking statements in the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws. Our forward-looking statements are subject to certain economic risk and uncertainty. The company assumes no obligation to update or supplement any statements that become untrue because of subsequent events.

In addition, during today's call we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the comparable GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release, our supplemental information and our historical SEC filings.

At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Marguerite Nader, our President and CEO.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. I am pleased to report the final results for 2017. We continued our record of strong core operations and FFO growth with an 8.5% growth in FFO.

2017 was a year marked by solid demand. We are pleased to report that quarter-over-quarter occupancy has now increased for eight consecutive years. Our MH portfolio increased occupancy by 475 sites, while increasing homeowners by over 800 sites or more than 1%. Our properties are well located in high growth markets. We saw continued strength in our ability to increase rent at our MH properties with the full year rate growth of 3.9%.

Customers are experiencing our properties before making the purchase decision and rental conversion trends are positive. We finished the quarter with our strongest conversion rate for new and used home sales at 24% with an average of 20% for the full year. Our ownership transfers continue to increase year-over-year signifying a robust resale market in our properties.

The demographic trend is in our favor with baby boomer relocation trends and overall population growth in some of our key states. Over the next five years, the U.S. population is predicted to grow 3.5%, while two of our key states, Florida and Arizona, are anticipated to grow almost double the U.S. average. ELS offers the newly retired boomer an opportunity to live in a community setting and take advantage of all the extensive amenities at our properties. Our RV properties performance well this year. For the year, our core RV income grew 5.9%. This growth was fueled by a 5.6% growth in annuals, a 9% growth in seasonals and a 4.5% growth in transient revenue.

Our marketing programs continue to bear fruit. We increased our social media fan base by 27% to 436,000. Our marketing campaigns encourage the customer to book online and we have seen a 42% increase in revenue coming through online reservations as compared to 2016. Our customers continue to migrate towards booking on their mobile devices. For the year, mobile revenue increased 87% and now accounts for 32% of all revenue booked on our Web site.

Turning to acquisitions. In the quarter we purchased two flagship RV resorts located on the Chesapeake Bay for a total of $134 million. The properties contained 1700 sites and have 80 acres of external expansion as well as between 400 and 500 expansion sites in the internal footprint. The properties have received multiple mega park of the year award and have long been on the top of our acquisition target list. I would like to thank our employees for continuing to deliver a great experience for our customers as this translates into repeat business and solid operating results.

The effort of each employee is important and appreciated. I will now turn it over to Paul to walk through the numbers in detail.

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Paul Seavey

Thanks, Marguerite and good morning everyone. I will review our fourth quarter and full year results, update our full year 2018 guidance and discuss our detailed our first quarter guidance. Before I begin, I will mention that our core results for 2017 as well as our guidance for 2018 reflect the designation of our Florida Keys properties as non-core properties. Our definition of core properties includes those owned and operated during comparative periods presented.

We have made good progress towards reopening our RV assets in the Florida Keys but we decided to designate them as non-core properties in the fourth quarter because operations have been interrupted. While the change has minimal impact on core portfolio NOI growth rates, for both guidance and actual results we believe that provides a clear picture of the financial results of our business.

Core property operating income was higher than guidance for the quarter and our core portfolio generated 5% growth in NOI for the full year. Full year normalized FFO per share was $3.60, 8.5% higher than 2016. Full year core base rental income growth was 4.8% with 3.9% coming from rate and 90 basis points coming from occupancy. We increased core occupancy 125 sites in the quarter including a decrease in rental home occupancy of 85 sites. At the end of the year, rental homes represented 6.7% of our core occupancy.

Core resort base rental income growth was 7.9% in the fourth quarter compared to prior year. The outperformance to our expectations was driven by higher seasonal and transient revenues. Seasonal revenue growth in our resorts in the south and west was driven by strong rate growth of 7% to 8%, accompanied by increased occupancy. Our Florida RV resorts saw very strong demand for transient state during the quarter.

Net activity in our membership business including dues and upgrade sales revenue and sales and marketing expenses, was higher than expectations in the fourth quarter as a result of increased camping pass sales and sales of higher priced upgrades. The average sale price of our upgrade products was almost $6000 in the fourth quarter, an increase of approximately 15% compared to fourth quarter 2016.

Core utility and other income was higher than guidance, mainly because of the accounting treatment of revenues and expenses related to hurricane Irma. During the fourth quarter, we recognized revenue of $3 million to offset property cleanup and debris removal expenses in our core portfolio. The favorable revenue variance to guidance is offset in repairs and maintenance expenses.

Fourth quarter core property operating maintenance and real estate taxes adjusted to exclude $3 million of Irma related expenses increased 5.5% for the fourth quarter compared to 2016. We experienced higher than planned administrative expenses during the quarter as a result of certain property legal matters. We also realized an increase in our advertising promotion expenses related to higher than expected seasonal and transient revenues.

In the fourth quarter our core revenue growth was 6.2% and core NOI growth was 4.7%. Full year core revenue growth was 5.8% and core NOI increased 5%. Our non-core properties contributed $2.3 million in the quarter and $12.6 million for the full year. The acquisitions included in non-core a modestly outperformed guidance. In addition, our fourth quarter acquisition of [indiscernible] and Grace Point was not included in prior guidance. The favorable variance generated by the acquisition properties was offset by the impact of interruption in business at our Florida Keys properties.

Property management and corporate G&A were $20.5 million for the fourth quarter. In the quarter these expenses were higher than expected as a result of an increase to our insurance reserves. Other income and expenses were higher than guidance as a result of interest income, a JV distribution and insurance proceeds received during the quarter. The press release and supplemental package provides 2018 full year and first quarter guidance in detail. As I discuss guidance, keep in mind my remarks are intended to provide our current estimate of future results. All growth rates and revenue and expense projections represented midpoints in our guidance range.

Our guidance for 2018 normalized FFO is $364 million or $3.85 per share at the midpoint of our range. Our changes in guidance since we have released preliminary guidance in October, reflect our fourth quarter acquisition activity, updated RV revenue assumptions based on our strong fourth quarter 2017 performance, and the reclassification of the Keys properties to non-core. For the year, growth in core NOI before property management is expected to be approximately 4.3%. We assume flat occupancy in our MH properties for 2018. Base rent is expected to grow 4.1% with 3.7% from rates and 40 basis points from occupancy as we realize the full year impact of sites filled in 2017.

In our core resort business, our projected revenue growth rate of 4.7% is in line with our prior guidance for 2018. The 2018 projected revenue is almost $1 million higher than prior guidance. We see continued strong demand for our RV properties and our updated view of 2018 is supported by the outperformance we saw in the fourth quarter. We expect 5.1% growth in our annuals for the year. We have reviewed our first quarter reservation pace for our seasonal and transient businesses and incorporated that pacing into our guidance update.

Our membership business which includes right to use annual payment revenue, right to use contract sales, and sales and marketing expenses, is consistent with our preliminary guidance and shows a net contribution of $48.6 million. Page 15 of our supplemental package shows aggregate revenue generated by our Thousand Trails properties. We project $101.1 million in 2018 from dues revenue, annual seasonal and transient stays, upgrade sales and other income.

The midpoint of our core utility and other income guidance is approximately $84.2 million and is in line with prior guidance. The growth rate change from prior guidance mainly is a result of the insurance revenue we recognized during the fourth quarter. Keep in mind, our guidance does not assume property loss events that may generate insurance related revenue to offset property restoration expenses. Core expenses are approximately $361.4 million at the midpoint of our guidance range, consistent with our preliminary guidance. The growth rate change from prior guidance as a result of the fourth quarter actual results including storm related expenses.

We do anticipate some quarterly fluctuations in our growth rates during the year. Our guidance includes $9.3 million of NOI from our non-core properties. We make no assumptions regarding additional acquisitions in our 2018 guidance. We expect $84.5 million in property management corporate expenses in 2018 consistent with prior guidance. Other income and expenses and financing costs and other have changed from prior guidance. These changes are the results of the expected ancillary activity and debt cost related to our [indiscernible] and Grace Point resorts. The full year guidance model makes no assumptions regarding the use of free cash flow we expect to generate in 2018.

Our first quarter normalized FFO guidance is approximately $97.1 million or $1.03 per share at the midpoint of our guidance range. We expect our core to generate revenue growth of 3.9%, expense growth of 4.3%, and NOI growth of 3.6% in the first quarter. Our first quarter core base rent growth of 4.5% assumes a 3.8% rate increase and 70 basis points related to occupancy gains we achieved in 2017. We do not assume incremental first quarter occupancy gains in our guidance.

With the first month of the quarter almost complete, we expect growth of 5.1% from our core RV business in the first quarter. Revenues from annuals are expected to grow 5.6% in the quarter. As previously mentioned, our current reservation pace is driving our expectation of 4.2% seasonal and 5% transient growth in the first quarter. Utility and other income is flat to prior year as a result of insurance recovery recorded in the first quarter 2017. We are projected first quarter core expense growth of 4.3%. as I mentioned in my full year guidance discussion, we anticipate some quarterly fluctuations in expense growth rates and the first quarter includes an expectation for R&M and payroll that is higher than the remainder of the year.

We expect our non-core properties to contribute approximately $1.3 million of NOI in the first quarter. This includes our assumptions related to the Keys properties gradually returning to stabilized operations. Now I will comment on our balance sheet. The press release shows the yearend cash balance of $31.1 million. We have $31 million outstanding on our $400 million line of credit and our ATM program is available to provide additional liquidity. We had no scheduled debt maturities in 2018.

Current secured debt terms are 10 years at coupons between 4% and 5%, 60% to 75% loan to value, and 1.4 to 1.6 times debt service coverage. The change in rates from last quarter followed the recent movement in treasuries. We continue to see strong interest from life companies, GSEs and CMBS lenders to lend at historically low rates for terms ten years and longer. High quality, age qualified MH assets continue to command base financing terms. We place high importance on balance sheet flexibility and we believe we have multiple sources of capital available to use.

Our debt to EBITDA is around 5.1 times and our interest coverage is 4.4 times. The weighted average maturity of our outstanding secured debt is 13 years. Now we would like to open it up for questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Samir Khanal with Evercore ISI.

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Samir Khanal
Evercore ISI

Can I ask you guys about the acquisition that you did, maybe around cap rates on the deal. I guess I was a little surprised at the midpoint to did not go up more than just a penny. I know you tapped the ATM but just trying to understand if there is any debt or sort of capital improvements associated with the assets that you acquired. Any color on that would be great.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So in the quarter I think in November we purchased the Bethpage and Grey's Point. These were really family held assets for the last 25 years and we have been interested in these assets for a long time. The going in cap rate is 5% and as I said, I think in my opening comments, there is upside potential in expansion sites. There is upside potential from both expansion sites and adding these two assets to our marketing campaigns and bringing awareness of these properties to our customer base. So between that, that contributed to us having the ability to increase guidance.

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Samir Khanal
Evercore ISI

Okay. And then just out of curiosity, why did you tap the ATM to fund the acquisition? Why not just issue more debt? I mean pricing is pretty favorable still and you have a strong balance sheet and sort of very low leverage at this point.

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Paul Seavey

I think our view was to do a mix of debt and equity on the deal which we have dialed into our guidance. And we reviewed our options and found it a very attractive option to tap the ATM and use equity to fund a portion of the deal.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Nick Joseph with Citi.

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Nick Joseph
Citi

Just sticking on the acquisitions. In terms of, you mentioned expansion sites as a source of upside going forward for them, but in terms of the marketing platform what growth rate are you underwriting, I guess, this year and next on that versus kind of the core portfolio overall.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I think as we really get in there and operate, and these are flagship operations and properties on the eastern seaboard which are new to us. So as we look at it I think it's going to probably grow in excess of what we have seen in our northern camp grounds. So we are pretty excited about that, about getting in and starting to operate them.

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Nick Joseph
Citi

Thanks. And then just, do you have an update on the performance of the Marinas. I know you didn’t own them last year and another in a JV, but just relative kind of growth rate in the fourth quarter versus last year in the fourth quarter.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Actually the Loggerhead portfolio was not -- we didn’t own at the [Bay] [ph], also Suntex didn’t own it in the fourth quarter of last year, of '16. But we are pleased with the results of the Loggerhead portfolio for the limited time that we have been a partner. And so there is no real update on that other than that.

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Nick Joseph
Citi

Thanks. Maybe just finally, you mentioned population growth expected across your footprint. Just wondering more broadly, your thoughts on, kind of tax reform and the impact it could have certainly in the home resale market where your potential tenants are moving from.

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Paul Seavey

Yes. Nick, we think about the tax reform in a few different ways. Specific impact on ELS and then impact on the customer base. I think for ELS there is not much impact. We did take a look though at our customers and considered how it might impact their individual situation and put together some models of typical customers making taxable income assumptions about their income levels, the source of income, whether it was wages, dividends, capital gains and so forth. In most instances we see our typical customer getting some tax savings. The estimated dollar amount could be in a range from a couple of hundred to maybe a thousand dollars or more annually. Just by way of example, a married couple with no dependent children that has $50,000 of interest and dividend income annually could see $300 increase in their tax return, the refund I should say. And a married couple that has no dependent children but are on wages of the same amount would see a reduction closer to $700.

So we think overall there is a modestly favorably impact on the customers when we think about the impact to their income.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

And Nick, this is kind of a -- from a longer term, looking back over the last five years I think we have seen a decline in homes coming back to us of about 40% over the last five years. Really showing this strength of the resale market in our portfolio which in turn, I think, shows people are able to sell their home both up north and also in our portfolio.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Drew Babin with Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead.

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Drew Babin
Robert W. Baird

I noticed in the supplemental 2018 guidance, it looks like the annual and seasonal RV revenues came in just marginally. I was just wondering if there is anything embedded in that. Whether it's the changing comp set with the Florida Keys properties, tougher comps or, just looking for some color.

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Paul Seavey

Yes. So that change, it's impacted by a couple of things. First, the core portfolio is different because we designated the Keys properties as non-core. That change had almost no impact though on expectations, maybe ten basis points. But October guidance for 2018 results was based on the forecast that we had for fourth quarter of 2017. And we completed our preliminary forecast review in January. We increased the core RV revenue expectations for 2018 by almost $1 million. So because the core outperformed expectations in Q4 of '17, the impact does kind of look like a slight decline in growth rates but it's really an increase in overall revenue.

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Drew Babin
Robert W. Baird

Okay. That’s very helpful. And one last one, just on the -- I guess the overall cadence of expansion sites being delivered with the new portfolio. I am not sure whether the Chesapeake acquisitions are going to provide any opportunities this year but expansions that are underway elsewhere. Is there may be a quarterly number of sites we should model in in terms of just increase in available site count.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I mean with respect to the Chesapeake Bay there, we won't have those expansions on line this year. I think that what we are planning for 2018 is about 700 sites and we will be breaking it down quarterly as they become available.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of John Kim with BMO.

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John Kim
BMO Capital Markets

On the recent acquisitions, can you just discuss how competitive the sale process was and if it was the usual players or if there are any new entrants in the market.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

I would say the process was very competitive. Like I had mentioned, this is something that, these are assets that we have highly sought after for a long time. But once it was clear that they were going to be sold, there was a process, a lot of people were interested. And I think it just boiled down to some relationships which is really what a lot of the deals and how they kind of come together happen. But as far as new players, really the same players that have been interested in other assets I would say.

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John Kim
BMO Capital Markets

Okay. And then local media reports referenced a purchase option for an additional 46 acres nearby. Was that part of the $134 million acquisition price or is that a separate transaction.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

No, that’s all part of the acquisition price.

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John Kim
BMO Capital Markets

Okay. And I don’t know if you gave it already but what is the timing for the expansions and do you already have the approvals in place.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

There are approvals in place for some of the internal expansions and the timing is over the next few years.

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John Kim
BMO Capital Markets

Marguerite, in your opening remarks you referenced your occupancy increasing for, I think you said 8 consecutive years. Can you just comment on how much runway is left? What is the peak occupancy in your mind and also when do you think you will hit it?

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Patrick Waite

This is Patrick. Just for a perspective, our historical high watermark is 95%. We are currently at 94.5%, so we are roughly 350 occupied sites away from that high watermark. And just at a high level across the portfolio. Florida is obviously our largest market with half of our current vacancy, roughly 1800 vacant sites in the Florida market. And if we look at that market, Tampa, Clearwater, Fort Myers on the Gulf coast, Fort Lauderdale, [indiscernible] on the East Coast are in the 97% occupancy range. And as you move north up to Orlando, up the coast to Vero and Daytona, you run into occupancy rates more in the low to mid 90% range. So there is additional runway in Florida for us to continue to add occupancy. California and Arizona, both highly occupied markets for us, 97%, 98%. We have seen strength particularly in the last few quarters on rental conversions, particularly with new homes in both of those markets. So that continues to contribute to overall quality of our occupancy growth, as well there is some opportunity to continue to contribute to occupancy.

Likewise, Colorado has been doing very well for us over the last several quarters and there is so more opportunity there. And if you look at the broader portfolio about 40% of our portfolio is 99% to 100% occupied. So that starts obviously getting into a structural vacancy concept but below that we have a lot of opportunity in those key markets that I highlighted to continue to grow occupancy. And I would envision that we are going to eclipse the 95% mark but that all assumes that market holds together and consumer confidence holds tight.

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John Kim
BMO Capital Markets

Okay. And then my final question is on Tropical Palms RV resort. You have taken over operation of the asset recently. It's out of your same store pool, but I was just wondering if you could elaborate on your plans for additional CapEx or an investment you plan to do at this asset.

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Patrick Waite

Sure. It's Patrick again. Our view of that asset is it's obviously in a premier location. High profile in the Greater Orlando and Disneyworld market. And we have seen very consistent demand there with our onsite team from an operations perspective and our asset management team. We are continuing to invest in not only the common area amenities but also many of the rental units that we had at that property. So there is a multiyear plan we have to continue to keep that property positioned competitively in that very strong market.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

And John, we have owned this property since 2004 and we operated it for a few years and then we had a third party operate it for a while. So we are very familiar with the asset and I think we have operated it now for almost a year and a couple of months. So it will be in the same store pool in 2018.

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John Kim
BMO Capital Markets

What kind of returns do you typically expect on investment?

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

Investment on...

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John Kim
BMO Capital Markets

Like additional CapEx on something like this.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I think it depends. It depends what we are talking about. I mean there is obviously revenue producing CapEx when you put in a cabin or an amenity base that generates additional revenue. So I think the range is pretty wide in what we would expect.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Ryan Lumb with Green Street Advisors.

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Ryan Lumb
Green Street Advisors

So expense growth in the core portfolio in the fourth quarter came in a bit above guidance given for the quarter, third quarter. Just wondering if you can give some more color on what the delta was there during the fourth quarter.

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Paul Seavey

Yes. As I mentioned, the main drivers of it were administrative and then advertising and promotion cost. The advertising promotion in some respect offsets the incremental million, little over a million dollars of RV revenue that we have relative to guidance in the quarter. And then the administrative cost related to certain legal matters at some of our properties.

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Ryan Lumb
Green Street Advisors

Okay. And then earlier this month, Skyline and Champion Homes announced plans to merge and become the largest builder of manufactured homes in the U.S. Any thoughts on what the impact might be for you or the industry more broadly.

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Patrick Waite

Yes, it's Patrick. We have relationships with both those manufacturers. Over the last seven to ten years we have seen consolidation across the manufacturing platform including with another large manufacturing out there, Kabco Homes. We purchase from all of them. So I don’t that if it will particularly change the landscape for us with respect to the volume of homes that we purchase and who we purchase them from. That’s largely dictated by the geographic distribution of the manufacturing plants of the individual manufacturers.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

And I think there is really strength in the MH industry. I think there is 81,000 shipments this year and we have seen double digit growth in shipments for each of the last five years. And when you look at just folks in other states that are of impact to us, California, Arizona, Florida, they have double in shipments over the last five years. So there is a lot of activity going on on the manufacturing front.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Todd Stender with Wells Fargo.

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Todd Stender
Wells Fargo

Just as we look at the occupancies reaching these fairly high levels, I think the emphasis that we look at at least, is on the rate growth. In Q4 you did 3.7% MH growth, I guess, I the base rent. If that’s the average, what's the range around that average? How high can you push rates in just MH alone? Just saying how high you can push it in the MH business.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

It really depends obviously on a market by market basis. You look at our MH growth rate for this quarter of 4.8%, it's the highest level we have seen since 1997. And so I think that as we look at and go through our market surveys on a market by market basis to determine where we have the ability to push rates and then growing occupancy is obviously the other lever. And as Patrick pointed out, we have a lot of properties that are 99% occupied but the key there is that they have also been that way for many years. So these are sustainable levels in the business where the customer is putting down considerable capital to live in the property.

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Todd Stender
Wells Fargo

Thanks, Marguerite. And any update home sales? Just want to hear what the foot traffic sounds like and any volume numbers.

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Paul Seavey

Well, traffic has been good. Our leads year-over-year increased almost 20%. The deal that is from the marketing platform, focusing on re-launching our Web site. It's fully responsive to mobile devices and we have strong SEO. We also have those remarketing ads that track you around the Internet once you have visited our site. And from just a workflow perspective at the property level, we are holding monthly national open houses coordinated with our national marketing platform. And we have improvements in lead management. So we see consistent demand. New home sales overall were up a little bit more than 20% for the quarter year-over-year. That is in part is based on, as I mentioned earlier, strength in Arizona and California with respect to new rental conversions. But we have also seen strength in a couple of our flagship resorts in Phoenix where we had expansion sections and we are seeing good demand in selling new homes.

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Todd Stender
Wells Fargo

That’s helpful. And just finally back to the extension site, that discussion. Just as a reminder, can you discuss the economics and returns of spending capital. It seems like it's such an excellent use of allocating capital to extension sites. When you look at the cost per site, how long it takes to get it entitled payback period IRR. Can you just talk maybe about some of the metrics and returns when you entitle land next to an existing community.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Generally it costs between $25,000 to $30,000 to build a site out. And that kind of depends on certainly the area, the location we are at and if there is additional amenities that need to be put it. And then we generally get about $6000 in revenue and in terms of the timing that happen relatively quickly. As an example of what Patrick just mentioned at the property in Mesa, we are building them and filling them effectively. So the return happens quite quickly.

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Todd Stender
Wells Fargo

And IRRs in the 15%, 18% range, is that fair?

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

I think that’s fair.

Operator

Thank you. And since we have no more questions on the line at this time, I would like to turn it back over to Marguerite Nader for closing comments.

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Marguerite Nader
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you all for joining us today. Paul Seavey is around for any further questions. Thanks very much.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.