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Earnings Call Analysis

Q4-2023 Analysis
OppFi Inc

OppFi Delivers Strong Profitability in Q4 and FY 2023

In a transformative year, OppFi exceeded 2023 earnings guidance, posting record revenue of $508.9 million, a 12.4% increase, and record ending receivables of $416.5 million, a 3.6% uptick. Disciplined growth and cost-effective strategies led to a sharp profitability rise, with net income soaring to $39.5 million from $3.3 million. The adjusted net income margin hit 8.5%, 50 basis points over mid-guidance. To navigate macroeconomic uncertainties in 2024, such as persistent inflation and high interest rates, OppFi aims to maintain prudent underwriting, prioritizing profitability over growth. The outlook for 2024 sets total revenue between $510 million to $530 million, anticipating approximately 10% growth at the midpoint, with adjusted net income expected between $46 million to $49 million.

Company Shows Resilience Amidst Tightened Growth Strategy

In the recent earnings call, the company demonstrated cautious optimism in its performance and strategy. The previous quarter saw a slight decrease of 4.2% in new customer originations year-over-year, which was counterbalanced by a 9.7% increase in existing customer originations. These figures are indicative of a strategic shift to focus more on existing customer relationships, particularly given the less risky nature associated with them.

Improving Financial Health Marked by Decreased Charge-off Rates

Financial robustness can be highlighted by the significant improvement in net charge-off rates, which dropped by 11.4 percentage points to 58.8% compared to the previous year's figure of 70.2%. This points to a higher rate of successful loan repayments and a sturdier credit portfolio. Furthermore, the improvement extends to charge-off rates as a percentage of total revenue, which saw a downturn of 12.9 percentage points to 46.4%. Cost control measures have also paid off, with total expenses, excluding interest, reduced to 33.8% of total revenue from the prior year's 39.4%. Adjusted EBITDA impressively more than doubled to $25.8 million from $9.9 million, signaling that the company's efficiency and profitability are trending positively.

First Quarter Outlook Indicates Prudence Amidst Seasonal Fluctuations

The leadership foresees a modest first quarter with a projected $0.05 in adjusted earnings per share, which reflects a careful approach to business expansion. This conservative outlook anticipates an increase in the annualized net charge-off rate year-over-year, fitting into a pattern of seasonal dips and recoveries. The first quarter is often marked by higher charge-offs due to tax refund season, leading to a natural contraction in profitability. However, this is seen as a precursor to accelerated profitability in the subsequent second and third quarters.

Profitability Overgrowth: A Core Strategy for the Upcoming Year

The company's strategy for navigating the macroeconomic environment heavily emphasizes profitability, with credit policies being tightened accordingly. Although customer repayment rates have not shown significant improvement, management remains committed to being precautious, signaling a pivot towards financial stability over aggressive expansion. Lower acquisition costs have been a byproduct of this approach, which further supports the goal of sustainable long-term profitability rather than short-term growth spurts.

Guidance: Steady Growth Path with Modest Revenue and Income Projections

Looking ahead, the company provided guidance for the full year 2024, estimating total revenue to be in the range of $510 million to $530 million. Adjusted net income is pegged in the vicinity of $46 million to $49 million, implying approximately 10% growth at the midpoint. This forecast is anchored in the belief that despite anticipated seasonal variations and adjustments to credit models, the company is poised for controlled expansion and improved financials, with adjusted earnings per share set to rest between $0.53 and $0.57.

Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2023-Q4

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Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to OppFi's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. After management's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. It's my pleasure to introduce your host, Shaun Smolarz. Head of Investor Relations. You may begin.

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Shaun Smolarz
executive

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon. On today's call are Todd Schwartz, Chief Executive Officer and Executive Chairman; and Pam Johnson, Chief Financial Officer. Our fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings press release and supplemental presentation can be found at investors.oppfi.com. During this call, psi will discuss certain forward-looking information. These forward-looking statements are based on assumptions and assessments made by OppFi's management in light of their experience and assessment of historical trends, current conditions, expected future developments and other factors they believe to be appropriate. Any forward-looking statements made during this call are made as of today, and apply undertakes no duty to update or revise any such statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Important factors that could cause actual results, developments and business decisions to differ materially from forward-looking statements are described in the company's filings with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission, including the sections entitled Risk Factors. In today's remarks by management, the company will discuss certain non-GAAP financial metrics. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found in the earnings press release issued earlier this afternoon. This call is being webcast live and will be available for replay on our website. I would now like to turn the call over to Todd.

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Todd Schwartz
executive

Thanks, Shaun, and good afternoon, everyone. We're excited to begin 2024 and leverage our strong 2023 to continue achieving profitable growth. 2023 marked our ninth consecutive year of net income with annual records for total revenue and ending receivables. We achieved what we said we would do and credit improvements and operating efficiencies led us to raise full year earnings guidance 3x. In addition, our solid fourth quarter enabled us to exceed our final full year earnings guidance for 2023 and in 2024, we plan to maintain our strategy to be disciplined with underwriting, emphasizing profitability over portfolio growth while simultaneously aiming for further operating efficiency throughout the company. Pam will review our fourth quarter results in detail as well as introduce guidance for Q1 and full year 2024. Before she does, I will cover 4 primary topics. One, the highlights from our Q4 and full year 2023 financial performance. Two, progress in our strategic business areas during Q4 2023. Three, commentary on our macroeconomic outlook for '24 and four our discussion of our 2024 priorities. Fourth quarter results were driven by revenue growth, credit performance improvements and expense leverage. Specifically, the key highlights for fourth quarter 2023 compared to the prior year are strong 10.7% total revenue growth to $132.9 million, disciplined 3.3% net originations growth to $191.9 million. The annualized net charge-off rate as a percentage of total revenue improved by 12.9 percentage points to 46.4% and prudent expense management total expenses, excluding interest expense as a percentage of total revenue, down 5.6 percentage points to 33.8%. This led to solid rebounds in profitability. Net income of $1.9 million, up from a loss of $5.2 million and adjusted net income of $8.9 million, up from a loss of $2.8 million. Our financial highlights for full year 2023 compared to the prior year are record total revenue of $508.9 million, a 12.4% increase, record ending receivables of $416.5 million, a 3.6% increase. The net charge-off rate as a percentage of total revenue declined to 43.5% and an 8.1% point improvement and disciplined expense management with total expenses, excluding interest expense as a percentage of total revenue by 6.2 percentage points to 35.4%. As a result, profitability improved sharply with net income of $39.5 million compared to $3.3 million and adjusted net income of $433 million from $5 million, adjusted net income margin was 8.5%, 50 basis points higher than implied by the midpoint of our guidance. We achieved these results despite interest expense increasing by $11.6 million or 33% year-over-year and a macroeconomic environment marked by sticky inflation that hurt the financial health of our customers. Our strategy to balance growth and risk while maintaining expense discipline contributed meaningfully to this transformational year for OppFi. Now I'll discuss our progress during the fourth quarter with our strategic business areas. Credit performance continued to improve year-over-year as expected. In addition to improvement in the annualized net charge-off rate as a percentage of total revenue already mentioned, earlier stage delinquency trends also improved compared to the same period last year. The total first payment default rate decreased by 40 basis points and the total delinquency rate declined by 90 basis points. We also realized solid expansion and yield of 8.4 percentage points to 126.8% compared to 118.4% in the year ago period. We are pleased that credit modeling enhancements and adjustments made throughout the 2023 appear to have had the intended effect and our portfolio mix continued to shift to the lowest risk segments. Our values-based recovery strategy also ended 2023 strongly with a 40.8% increase year-over-year in the fourth quarter for recoveries of previously charged-off loan balances. Our marketing team remains focused on cost-effective initiatives to generate higher quality origination volume. As a result, the marketing cost per funded loan was down 6.3% year-over-year in the fourth quarter. In addition, the platform also expanded geographically with bank partners entering new states. We also realized operating cost leverage year-over-year with a focus on making each department more efficient. Further, we continued our work on corporate development opportunities by evaluating potential partnerships and acquisitions as a means to create further shareholder value. As a result [indiscernible], we've refined our criteria for what we would view as an attractive opportunity. Now I'll briefly discuss how we're thinking about the macroeconomic environment. We expect the economy in 2024 to be similar to how it was in 2023, with sticky inflation and interest rates higher than historic norms. As we have communicated during the past couple of years, persistent above normal inflation hurts customers more than recessions do, because they have more difficulty budgeting for everyday expenses, especially when living paycheck to paycheck was limited to no savings. To further illustrate this point, a recent Wall Street Journal article said it's been 30 years since food comprised this much of American's incomes. Nonetheless, we note that employment trends appear relatively strong for customers. In summary, we think current macroeconomic conditions, both health and [ her ] customers and there were the net effect for OP is uncertain. While we are cautious due to these macroeconomic headwinds and our elevated interest expense, we believe that we're well positioned to operate in this type of environment. We intend to pursue the same strategy and discipline in 2024. We expect to continue focusing on profitability over growth and we plan to achieve this by maintaining prudent risk tolerances, emphasizing disciplined growth and scaling operating expenses efficiently. In conjunction with the banks that partner with us, a new credit model is expected to be launched in Q2 that will incorporate an updated dynamic risk model intended to drive lower risk origination volume and reduce credit losses. We also anticipate further geographic expansion as bank partners enter new states. In addition, we're planning for marketing to focus on top of funnel optimization with new analytic insights. Similar to last year, we are also focused on reviewing every function to manage expenses and achieve operating efficiencies, including vendor spending and process improvements. Moreover, we will be patient with corporate development to find the right fit for accretive partnerships or acquisitions. In summary, before turning the call over to Pam, I will reiterate my confidence in our long-term strategy. We ended 2023 with a strong balance sheet, including unrestricted cash of $31.8 million, which nearly doubled year-over-year. This provides us the optionality to deploy cash to create additional shareholder value. Our confidence in the business will be demonstrated by our participation in investor events during 2024 to communicate our story with a more targeted approach.

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Pamela Johnson
executive

Thanks, Todd, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll begin by echoing Todd's comments that we are very excited to have achieved our ninth consecutive year of net income in 2023, with record annual total revenue of $508.9 million, record ending receivables of $416.5 million, a substantial rebound in profitability with net income of $39.5 million and adjusted net income of $43.3 million. Now I'll detail our fourth quarter 2023 results. For the fourth quarter, year-over-year, total revenue increased 10.7% to $132.9 million with a 3.3% increase in net originations to $191.9 million and an 840 basis point improvement in yield to 126.8%. From a mix perspective, 57% of originations were to existing customers and 43% to new customers. This was partially due to risk management with originations to existing customers generally being less risky than those to new ones. On an absolute basis, new customer originations for the quarter decreased by 4.2% year-over-year, while existing customer originations increased by 9.7%. The annualized net charge-off rate as a percentage of average receivables improved by 11.4 percentage points to 58.8% for the fourth quarter of 2023 compared to 70.2% for the prior year quarter. As a percentage of total revenue, the annualized net charge-off rate decreased by 12.9 percentage points to 46.4% compared to 59.3% last year. Total expenses, excluding interest expense, were $44.5 million or 33.8% of total revenue compared to $47.3 million or 39.4% of revenue for the same period in 2022. Adjusted EBITDA totaled $25.8 million, more than double the $9.9 million in the prior year quarter. Interest expense totaled $12.1 million or 9.1% of total revenue compared to $10.7 million or 8.9% of total revenue in the same period a year ago. The year-over-year increase was due to higher interest rates on our credit facilities. Adjusted net income was $8.9 million compared to an adjusted net loss of $2.8 million for the comparable period last year. This was stronger than implied by our full year guidance due to the lower net charge-off rate as a percentage of total revenue. Adjusted earnings per share was $0.10 per share. During the 3 months ended December 31, 2023, OppFi had 85.7 million weighted average diluted shares outstanding for the calculation of adjusted earnings per share. Our balance sheet remains healthy with cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash of $73.9 million, total debt of $334.1 million and total stockholders' equity of $194 million as of year-end. In addition, we had $598.9 million in total receivable funding capacity at the end of 2023, including undrawn debt of $192.3 million. Turning now to our outlook. For the first quarter, we expect $0.05 in adjusted earnings per share based on 86 million diluted weighted average shares. Quarter-to-date, we have managed the business more tightly from a growth perspective. We anticipate the annualized net charge-off rate as a percentage of total revenue will increase year-over-year in the first quarter. The first quarter last year benefited from aggressive tightening to credit models during mid-2022, and therefore, the first quarter this year is more normal from a net charge-off rate perspective. Our business also has seasonality, which causes fluctuations quarter-over-quarter. The portfolio typically contracts in the first quarter, driven by tax refunds. As a result, the first quarter is generally the highest quarter for net charge-offs and smallest quarter for profitability. We anticipate accelerated profitability in the second and third quarters. For the full year 2024, guidance for total revenue is $510 million to $530 million. We expect adjusted net income of $46 million to $49 million, implying approximately 10% growth at the midpoint. Based on an anticipated diluted weighted average share count of 86.5 million, adjusted earnings per share would be between $0.53 and $0.57. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to the operator for Q&A. Operator?

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. The first question we have is from Mike Grondahl of Northland Securities.

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Michael Grondahl
analyst

I don't know, Pam could you kind of clarify or add some more color to your statement. I think you just said that you ratcheted back growth even more in the first quarter so far? Just trying to understand kind of your growth outlook and how you're feeling about the macro. It sounds like Todd said too that '24 will be a lot about emphasizing profitability over growth. So just a little bit more color there would be helpful.

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Pamela Johnson
executive

Sure, Mike. Thanks. Good question. It comes again from the macroeconomic environment we're seeing. We're not -- we have certainly tightened the credit box to manage to that environment. We're not seeing necessarily a lot of improvement in the customer repayment rates and things like that. So we did -- we're still keeping everything fairly close as far as growth and being very cautious about it. Again, that emphasis of profitability over growth is one of our tenants for this next year, for sure. Todd, would you like to add any more to that?

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Todd Schwartz
executive

Yes. I'll just chime in. I think I had mentioned it on the last call, we have dynamic modeling in place now, Mike. So what that means is we know the vintages, there's seasonality to vintages throughout the year. You go into the fourth quarter, some of the lowest loss vintages of the year. I think that's what she was -- Pam was referring to on the call was -- if you look at the repayment rates on February, March vintages, it's tax refund season. And typically, those are some of the lowest quality vintages of the year. So I think that's what she's referring to when she said this, I want to clarify. But we have more of a dynamic modeling now as we worked on testing and rebuilding the model. And we deploy it throughout the year based on some seasonality in the marketplace.

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Michael Grondahl
analyst

Got it. And we're outside, what would we or you need to see when you start -- that would help you push for growth a little bit? Like what needs to change? What would you need to see?

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Todd Schwartz
executive

Well, right now, we're enjoying the benefit of lower acquisition cost. We're being very efficient on our funnel. So we're happy to see that, right? But I would need to see sustained loss curves that mimic 2019 or even close to it, right? We're not there yet. We're seeing -- obviously, as you go lower in the segment, [ segment ] one being our lowest risk customer, you're seeing less degradation from '19 than you would in a segment three. However, we have not seen that sustained. And we've kept our product and our price and our commitment to credit access the same. So we're not raising prices on customers. We're not passing through. So we have to operate within the confines of our business right now. And that's not to say we might not employ some testing around pricing in the future. But I think that's really what I -- what we would need to see to really turn growth out now. That being said, Mike, in the fourth quarter, we had very effective swap in swap outs with some segments and stuff. And so we are finding ways to grow. We also -- I mentioned in the call geography expansion, our bank partners have chosen to expand on [ jet]. So are other ways to grow, right? It doesn't just mean expanding the credit box.

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Michael Grondahl
analyst

Got it. I mean, taking that one step further, I mean, is this sort of a $0.50 to $0.60 adjusted EPS business until you grow? Like do you have other levers to drive adjusted EPS other than growth?

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Todd Schwartz
executive

I mean, absolutely. We're seeing -- just to be clear, Mike, we brought -- our fair market value was brought down 200 basis points year-over-year. We've seen other companies have been raising theirs in this environment, which that's not in line with our -- we're very conservative. And that was a significant hit to our P&L, but we're doing that because we're in this for the long term. This is to really align and be conservative and then come out when the growth is there and be ready for it.

There are several levers that we can pull on operational efficiencies. We're just getting started there. I mean, there's tremendous efficiencies that we're finding. We're also really focused on the customer funnel. We found some really interesting stuff we're working on the funnel side to look at address bottlenecks and then also more throughput. So I feel really good that we have the levers to drive growth despite record high interest rates for our business for the life of our business and then also some unfavorability at fair market value.

Operator

The next question we have is from [indiscernible] of JMP Securities.

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Unknown Analyst

So kind of digging into the growth piece a little bit for next year. We're trying to figure out if it's really -- what the drivers are within it, it's kind of more driven by lower average yields or lower volume. Or any of those types of factors?

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Todd Schwartz
executive

I'm sorry, can you just repeat the question? I missed the first part. I apologize.

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Unknown Analyst

Yes, sorry. So I'm just trying to get a better sense of what the drivers are for the 2024 revenue guidance? Is it lower yields? Is it just tighter lower volumes [indiscernible] credit box?

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Todd Schwartz
executive

Yes. I mean, currently, the yield, no. We forecast the yield to stay strong where at its current levels. It really, really has to do with us not seeing the credit there. We're also not going to chase growth by paying more necessarily. We have [indiscernible] quite some time and seen that when you do that, you ended just getting a lot more high-risk customers into the funnel and end up paying more for less. So I think it really has to do with what we're seeing on the macroeconomic outlook. Now things can change, and we're prepared, right? And we also have -- we mentioned our most powerful model yet is launching in the second quarter where we really, really think that on the swap and swap outs and on some of the other attributes of the model are going to be very powerful that we put it all together, all the testing we've been doing over the last year, 1.5 years is going to allow for more growth. So -- but right now, what we're seeing is largely similar to last year, albeit we still have some levers that we're working on. And like I said, some funnel efficiencies to propel growth in some geography [indiscernible] as well from the bank partners that we can service in more states. So -- but yes, we're -- that's kind of how we're looking at it.

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Unknown Analyst

Got it. That makes sense. And then just one more follow-up question. Just on the charge-off rate specifically, we were kind of wondering if you can give more color on the dynamic of it for the year and the kind of the way they play that out throughout the year.

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Todd Schwartz
executive

The charge-off rate as a percentage of revenue?

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Unknown Analyst

Yes.

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Todd Schwartz
executive

Yes. I mean I think we've made a lot of gains. One thing that we mentioned on the call is year-over-year significant improvement. We expect that to stay significantly the same, if not incremental improvement there. We're going to always be looking for ways to improve that. But yes, it's -- as your revenue growth slows, obviously impacts some of those numbers and as a percentage of receivables as well. But we think it's going to be largely similar on that aspect.

Operator

The next question we have is from [ Dave Storms ] of Stonegate.

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Unknown Analyst

Just wanted to start. You mentioned updated acquisition criteria. I was hoping you could dive into that a little bit more and just a general sense of what you're seeing in the M&A market?

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Todd Schwartz
executive

Yes. On the acquisition criteria, are you referring to like our -- the criteria. I just want to get more specific on the question to make sure I answer it correctly.

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Unknown Analyst

My understanding was that when you were talking about uses of cash as you look for -- towards external growth. You were updating your criteria there? Does that make --

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Todd Schwartz
executive

Sorry, you're talking about on M&A. I'm sorry, I was focused on originations on the loan side. Well, I think -- yes. I mean I think we're learning a ton on the M&A side. We've really, really started to hone in on 2 or 3 verticals that we think are really interesting and very complementary to the OppFi brand. Our vision around being a tech-enabled platform that provides best-in-class alternative digital alternative financial service products where we receive supply-demand imbalance where the banks are not and the large financial institutions are not fit that bill. It's really us just finding a situation that works for us that's highly accretive for our shareholders and for the business and for our brand, right? It all has to align. So we're being patient. This is not something that we are just going to do haphazardly. We're very thoughtful about it. We're pulling on a lot of my -- in my second life before I came back as CEO was in private equity, doing a lot of transactional stuff. So pulling on a lot of that experience and a lot of our team's experience to make sure that we're going to get it right. So yes, we're starting to get more confidence. The market is starting to get more rational. We're starting to see more opportunities that potentially can make sense. But nothing to report now, but we're hard at work, and we're starting to -- we're looking around.

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Unknown Analyst

Understood. That's very helpful. And then just one more. On the auto approval rate, it took a nice step up year-over-year, continues to grow. How do you think about the ceiling on this rate? And kind of where in the hurdles that you see over the next 12 months to continue growing that rate?

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Todd Schwartz
executive

Yes. I mean I think we've made the large scale improvement. I think it's sitting somewhere in the neighborhood of -- I think we're at 72%. So really, really happy with [ tech ] and product and the ability to increase that year-over-year. Incrementally, every year, that's a goal, right, is to continue to increase that. I think -- one of the things so talked about is on the artificial intelligence front on the servicing side, there's great opportunity, right, during the -- in the funnel to be using some of these AI tools to better really help people through the process and get them auto approved so that we have all the documentation and making sure that the customer -- we have all the information to be able to process in an automated fashion and prevent having to go to more manual style underwriting. So we're looking at all options there and pulling on our tech and product teams to continue to incrementally build on that. But obviously, it's something that we watch and track very closely.

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Unknown Analyst

Congrats on the year.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. The next question we have is from [ Ross Davidson ] of Management Capital.

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Unknown Analyst

Just circling back on guidance. Just the question I had was you've launched in some more states, it sounds like. Given that, and I understand the outlook in 2024 is still cloudy and it sounds like I think you said even similar in 2023. Wouldn't the states -- or why wouldn't the states that you're -- you've entered to provide some uplift more than sort of what's implied by the revenue? Am I missing something there?

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Todd Schwartz
executive

Yes. I mean I think when you're launching new geographies, those are all new originations pretty much. And I think we're being very cautious because our new originations, as you know, are the riskiest and provide the highest charge-offs. So we're being very careful -- and by the way, there is some differences. You go into a state for the first time -- we've been doing this a long time, but no 2 states are alike. So we're just being pretty cautious now. That's not to say that things can work out and we'll get some favorable upside. But I think now the way is very strategic and very thoughtful because, obviously, we're very sensitive to charge-off rates. And we don't want to be originating stuff on behalf of the bank partners that's going to potentially have delinquency issues, right? We don't want to get ahead of ourselves. So we're just going at a pace that we feel very comfortable with. And we've done this quite a few times with great success. But I think could benefit us significantly in 2025. But this year, we're forecasting it to be some growth, but we're obviously being very cautious because of the credit on the new stuff.

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Unknown Analyst

Yes, that makes sense. That's helpful. And then the only other question I had was just on charge-offs. And did I hear you right? You said Q1 current quarter will be up from a year ago. And I guess I just wanted to make sure I understood that you referenced the 2022 tightening, but didn't you still have bad -- sorry, more challenging [ 2020 ] vintages in the book that you would have been cycling through? I'm just surprised it wouldn't be at least similar?

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Todd Schwartz
executive

Yes. I wanted to clarify -- Pam, you can jump in as well, but I wanted to clarify that like as a dollar amount, it may be higher, but as a percentage of revenue, it's probably going to be similar. So I don't -- it's a little misleading when we say it's higher. Like I'm seeing it being roughly similar or substantially similar to as a percentage of revenue. So the dollar amount is -- really speaks to -- '22 we did a major tightening midyear, which is not something you ever really contemplate or do. And so we got some of that benefit with some of a subsidized in first quarter '23, which we didn't -- we were in a very more normalized environment. But seasonality-wise, first quarter is always going to be the low quarter of profitability for the year and then it accelerates in second, third and fourth. Fourth is a little -- is somewhat muted compared to second and third because you start growing again because of the fourth quarter seasonality. But I think it's -- overall, the yields coming up as a percentage of revenue, as I mentioned, that we don't see that much difference from last year.

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Pamela Johnson
executive

We see that as a minor lift -- just a very minor lift in the percentage of charges -- in the charge-offs as a percentage of revenue, very minor, so for the first quarter.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. We'll pause a moment to see if we have any further questions. It seems we have no further questions at this time. And I would like to turn the floor back over to Todd Schwartz for closing comments.

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Todd Schwartz
executive

Yes, I want to thank everyone for joining today and then the thoughtful questions. We look forward to speaking with everyone again in May when we report our first quarter results.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.

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