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Earnings Call Analysis

Q3-2023 Analysis
PNM Resources Inc

Raised EPS and Continued Growth Projection

In Q3 2023, earnings per share (EPS) rose to $1.54 from $1.46 in Q3 2022, driven by favorable weather adding $0.21 and recovery of transmission and distribution investments. Planned operational increases and other expenses offset some gains. Updated earnings guidance for 2023 is now $2.75 to $2.80. TNMP rate base is expected to grow by 14.5% and PNM FERC rate base by 9.7%, propelled by timely recovery rate mechanisms. The company is on track with $200 million in equity funding for the year and aims for approximately $100 million annually to support future capital growth, while maintaining a 5% growth target through 2027.

Positive Earnings and Guidance Uplift

Investors would find the upward trend in earnings per share (EPS) from $1.46 in Q3 2022 to $1.54 in Q3 2023 quite encouraging, which reflects a company on the rise. This increment was primarily fueled by favorable weather conditions, contributing an additional $0.21 to the quarter. The company also benefited from rate recovery from their transmission and distribution investments. Yet, it's worth noting that these gains were partially offset by increased operational & maintenance costs, higher depreciation, and additional expenses springing from property tax and interest on new investments.

Load Growth and Capital Investment Plans

The utility sector’s load growth serves as a pulse for their future revenue streams. On one hand, the residential and commercial classes are faring better than estimated, but some of the larger industrial customers are not ramping up as quickly as expected, leading to an overall flat growth outlook. However, TNMP experienced new system peaks and high demand loads from specific sectors like crypto. The forecast for TNMP's volumetric load is expected to be minimal, ranging between 0%-1%, whilst demand-based load could potentially soar between 12%-13%. A significant $5.9 billion capital plan has been set out through 2027 to support surging demands and improve system reliability and resiliency, particularly in the Texas region. Such investments are expected to be recovered through existing mechanisms, reflecting proactive financial planning.

Strategic Financial Maneuvers for Growth

For investors focused on a company's financial strategies, the fact that the firm has raised its earnings guidance to $2.75-$2.80 for 2023 will be of keen interest. This increase is partly due to strong performance in transmission margins and is indicative of potential for robust future profitability. To maintain a solid financial foundation, the company has completed $100 million in forward sales and settled these contracts through share issuance. Looking ahead, they have a calculated plan to infuse about $100 million annually in equity to support capital investment growth. Additionally, they possess $850 million in interest rate hedges—a clever move to protect against rising interest rates. The executive team's confidence in extending their 5% growth target till 2027 serves as a testament to their strategic financial planning and their commitment to sustaining growth in a challenging market environment.

Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2023-Q3

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Operator

Good day, and welcome to the PNM Resources Third Quarter 2023 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lisa Goodman, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

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Lisa Goodman
executive

Thank you, Dave, and thank you, everyone, for joining us this morning for the PNM Resources Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. Please note that the presentation for this conference call and other supporting documents are available on our website at pnmresources.com. Joining me today are PNM Resources' Chairman and CEO, Pat Vincent-Collawn, President and Chief Operating Officer, Don Terry and Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer, Lisa Eden. Before I turn the call over to Pat, I need to remind you that some of the information provided this morning should be considered forward-looking statements pursuant to the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. We caution you that all of the forward-looking statements are based upon current expectations and estimates and that PNM Resources assumes no obligation to update this information. For a detailed discussion of factors affecting PNM Resources' results, please refer to our current and future annual reports on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q as well as reports on Form 8-K filed with the SEC. With that, I will turn the call over to Pat.

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Patricia Collawn
executive

Thank you, Lisa. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today on Cranky Coworkers Day. And yes, you can Google it, it is a real day. Now we are sure none of you have any cranky coworkers or that none of you are 1 of those cranky coworkers and none of us surely are, but we're going to celebrate the day just in case. I'm going to start on Slide 4 with our financial results and strategic updates. Ongoing earnings were $1.54 for the third quarter compared to $1.46 last year. Summer temperatures were hotter across New Mexico and Texas and had a significant impact on earnings. We are adjusting our guidance for the year to a range of $2.75 to $2.80 per share. Lisa will walk through the details. The New Mexico Supreme Court held oral arguments on our merger with AVANGRID on September 15, this was the final step in the appeal process, and there is no time line for when the court will issue its decision. And yes, we were priced compete because we agree that the waiting is the hardest part. As a reminder, the court has 2 options: to uphold the commission's decision or to vacate the order and remand the case back to the commission. If there is a remand, the commission will determine the next steps on how to respond to the court's order. The merger agreement was previously extended through December with the option for a further 3-month extension through March. Separately, the sale of our joint venture, NMRD remains on track. The renewable projects in this portfolio are attractive assets even in the current challenging market, and we are working to evaluate the bids. We expect to close the sale in the late fourth quarter or early first quarter. With that, I'll turn it over to Don.

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Joseph Tarry
executive

Thank you, Pat, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on Slide 6 with operational highlights at PNM. New Mexico continues to announce new economic development wins. Two of those announcements warned national attention during the third quarter. In August, President Biden visited the site of a new facility that will manufacture wind towers in PNM service territory, soon after Maxeon Solar announced its plans for its first U.S.-based manufacturing facility, a 3 gigawatt plant in Albuquerque, the $1 billion investment is also expected to bring 1,800 new jobs to the area. We are also seeing continued announcements and inquiries for new businesses and expansions further increasing our system demand outlook. In July, PNM had 2 consecutive days at a new all-time system peak when cooling degree days for the month were almost 50% higher than the 20-year normal. Last year's new peak was the first for PNM in nearly a decade. We maintained reliability through the peak season in both years, thanks to careful monitoring, planning and system maintenance from our teams. On the other side of the equation, we have also started the approval process to add new resources to our system. After an RFP process began last year, we filed an application at the commission this week for resources needed in 2026. These additions will align our planning reserves with industry standards, and it will better position us as the state for additional economic development inquiries. The filing proposes a 100-megawatt of solar through PPAs and 250 megawatts of battery storage capacity through energy storage agreements along with 60 megawatts of utility-owned battery. This is our first proposal for utility-owned generation resources in some time, and it carries several benefits for customers. in addition to being part of the lease cost portfolio. Ownership of battery allows us to charge and discharge the battery in our customers' best interest, while maximizing our entire system. It also allows us to retain the battery, upgrade components and extend the life of the battery, versus pain to replace the battery at the end of the contract term. Balancing this with energy storage agreements allows the utility to avoid the risk of operations and maintenance costs increased during the contract period. We see the mix of ownership and contract resources providing the best operational and customer value. Each of the proposed solar and battery projects leverage existing grid interconnection in order to be online in 2026, we've asked the commission for approval of these resources by May and we'll provide you with updates as the filing proceeds. One year ago, our generation capacity hedges reached 50% carbon-free resources. Adding these 2026 resources to our plans will move us to 75% carbon free and this doesn't include community solar resources, which are also expected in the coming years. Our clean energy transition in New Mexico is moving rapidly. Turning to Slide 7, I'll cover our key regulatory proceedings, with the New Mexico Commission. In our PNM rate change filing, hearings have been completed, and we continue to expect a commission decision by the end of the year. The unanimous settlement of the San Juan rate credit removes this item from the rate case as we continue to transition our generation portfolio, the 2 remaining transitional issues in the case primarily relate to past decisions on Four Corners and Palo Verde resources and the recovery of amounts associated with those plants. We are looking forward to resolving these issues as we move forward on our path to carbon-free. Our proposal for a 12 megawatts of battery storage as a distribution solution is also under review at the commission. We received full support of our request from the intervening parties in this case, if these batteries are approved, we will look to take the same approach at our other distribution sites to relieve overloaded feeders and accommodate more renewable energy. The hearing examiner held hearings on October 12, and we expect a commission decision before the end of the year. In our grid modernization filing, we expect to file the requested cost benefit analysis to support the proposed investments in November. Many of the future rate design possibilities discussed by stakeholders and our current rate review require these advanced metering technologies that are proposed in our grid modernization filing. We expect the decision in the first half of 2024. We have also been working with stakeholders and getting their input into our integrated resource plan that will be filed before the end of the year. While the IRP is not formally approved by the commission, it provides modeling results showing the most cost-effective path forward for meeting system demand over the next 20 years. The filing and subsequent commission discussion will provide some direction for the path ahead towards our carbon-free goals. Before I turn to TNMP, I quickly note that we have not made any new determinations on the future of our ownership in the Four Corners Power Plant. We continue to evaluate options for a potential exit and replacement before our ownership contract expires in 2031. Now turning to Texas on Slide 8. I'll cover TNMP's recent operating highlights and key regulatory updates. After setting a new system record in June, TNMP exceeded this level twice at the end of July and then again in August. The consistent growth in system demand at TNMP and legislative support for infrastructure investments prompted us to bring more projects to the forefront of our plan. Lisa will walk through our revised capital plans through 2027, which includes this growth at TNMP. I mentioned last quarter that our annual capital investment plans at TNMP had more than doubled in the last 5 years from $200 million to $400 million per year. And now our 5-year plan shows this level increasing to $600 million per year as Texas continues to lead the nation in growth. On the distribution side, customer growth remained strong, and the housing markets in our North Texas and Gulf Coast service territories are among the strongest in the country. For example, we have been working with a developer all year who announced its plans this month for a new 1,600 home community in our Gulf Coast service territory, development has already begun and housing construction is expected to begin in 2025. On the transmission side, our teams have worked to earn a reputation in the area for processing new requests in a timely manner and are fielding additional inquiries, in addition to our system demand, 1 of our proposals for transmission expansion in West Texas has been vetted by the ERCOT Regional Planning Group and should be considered by ERCOT Board later this year. We are seeing interconnection requests increase each quarter and under new legislation, ERCOT will be directed to develop a reliability plan for the premium Basin, which could result in additional investment opportunities. As for regulatory update, we implemented new rates for both distribution and transmission capital recovery in September. Next year, we plan to make semiannual filings under both the TCOS and DCRF mechanisms based on the new DCRF legislation. All of our T&D capital investments qualify for recovery in this manner as the rules for new resilience legislation are finalized, we could see additional recovery mechanisms put into place and would also submit a filing under those rules, we also received approval for TNMP's annual energy efficiency program with a settlement for recovery of $6.6 million of program costs, which includes a $1.2 million bonus incentive for prior year achievement. TNMP remains the fastest-growing segment of our business with the constructive regulatory environment to recover investments timely. With that, I'll turn it over to Lisa.

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Elisabeth Eden
executive

Thank you, Don, and good morning, everyone. I'll start on Slide 10 with a summary of the year-over-year changes in third quarter earnings. Earnings per share in the third quarter of 2023 were at $1.54 compared to $1.46 in the third quarter of 2022. Weather was a significant positive driver in both New Mexico and Texas, adding $0.21 to the quarter. Continued rate recovery of transmission and distribution investments at TNMP also added earnings. The increase at both utilities was partially offset by planned O&M increases and expenses for depreciation, property tax and interest associated with new rate base investments. Lower earnings at corporate reflects higher interest rates year-over-year, partially mitigated by the hedges we previously put in place. On Slide 11, I'll cover our load growth for both PNM and TNMP. At PNM, weather had the biggest impact on our sales volumes. On a weather-normalized basis, we continue to see residential and commercial classes ahead of our expectations while the ramp-up from some of our larger industrial customers remains behind schedule. We have updated our total low growth expectations for the year to be close to flat. The net earnings impact of these changes remains very small. At TNMP, we all hit new system peaks a few times over the quarter and not only because of hotter temperatures, we have seen higher-than-expected demand-based load both from crypto and other customers. Weather normalized volumetric load has been below our expectations, particularly in the third quarter as customers began to see their bills from June and July and reduce their usage along with some reductions meant or cause calls for conservation. We have updated our expectations for the full year for both volumetric and demand-based load. We expect TNMP volumetric low to come in between 0% and 1% and while demand-based load is expected to come in between 12% and 13%. Turning to Slide 12. We have updated and rolled out our capital plan through 2027 for a total of $5.9 billion. At TNMP, as Don mentioned, we are funding additional projects to support high demand on our systems and provide an increased level of reliability and resiliency supported by Texas legislature this year. In the North Texas and the Gulf Coast area, where our distribution load is located. This means replacing transformation substations, trading at wood poles for steel and adding new circuits and feeders. For transmission loads, which are in all 3 of our regions. This means adding new points of interconnection on higher voltage lines. These investments have been prioritized to align with the new legislation but they can be recovered under the existing TCOS or DCRF mechanisms. The new rulemaking in process may provide opportunities for additional recovery of cross-send investments tie to resiliency plan. As Don pointed out, TNMP's capital spending is now growing to just over $600 million per year. PNM's capital needs are also growing to accommodate the new resources and customer expansions discussed earlier. We have balanced the added capital with the impact on customer bills. On the graph in yellow, we've called out the investments for own battery storage, all battery investments will have to go through the CCN filing in order to be approved. We also shifted our grid modernization plans back 1 year to reflect the shift in timing of the regulatory proceedings. In the table at the bottom of the page, we have provided the corresponding rate base for these investments. TNMP rate base grows at 14.5% and PNM FERC rate base grows at 9.7%. These 2 jurisdictions utilize rate mechanisms to provide more timely recovery. Turning to Slide 13, I'll provide an update on earnings guidance for the rest of the year and our long-term growth, including our financing plans. We are raising our earnings guidance for 2023 to a range of $2.75 to $2.80. Higher transmission margins in the first part of the year combined with the hot summer temperatures in the third quarter increased earnings at both utilities. These changes are partially offset by higher interest expense, lower transmission margins in the second half of the year and lower fixed income performance in our decommissioning trust. On the equity side, we completed another $100 million of forward sales under our ATM program during the third quarter, fulfilling the $200 million of equity needs for this year. We plan to settle those forward sales contracts through the issuance of shares before year-end. The proceeds from the sale of NMRD, combined with the $200 million of equity this year and the $345 million of San Juan securitization bonds will help strengthen our balance sheet and position us for future growth. As we look forward, we have assumed on average approximately $100 million a year of equity to help fund growth in our capital investments. As usual, we leave our financing options open. And as market conditions change, we will consider other opportunities to optimize our funding. We continue to have $850 million of interest rate hedges in place through the end of the year and $600 million hedges in 2024 to mitigate the impact of interest rates on our variable rate set. Looking forward, if we are financing the business on a stand-alone basis, we will look to issue more permanent financing for this debt. Under these assumptions, we're comfortable extending our 5% growth target out to 2027 as we finance our rate base growth in the current market environment. With that, I'll turn it back over to Pat.

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Patricia Collawn
executive

Thank you, Lisa. In addition to Cranky Coworkers Day today is also Global Champaign Day. So before I open it up for questions, and in the spirit of Champagne toast, I'd like to share some of our recent celebrations. This summer, the PNM Resources Foundation celebrated 40 years of giving. We just held our Annual Day of Service and Safety Day at PNM and TNMP, and we hosted our largest annual customer assistance there at PNM. TNMP was named business of the month at 1 of its local Chamber of Commerce. PNM was awarded a Sustainability Initiative of the Year from the Business Intelligence Group for our project to transfer critical water infrastructure at the San Juan coal plant to the Navajo Nation. So to everyone involved in each of these efforts, we raise a glass to you. Dave, let's open it up for questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Ryan Levine with Citi.

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Ryan Levine
analyst

In terms of the financing plan, so you highlighted $100 million of equity needs as part of your baseline plan. So just to clarify, that assumes it success like it of the renewable portfolio? And does that contemplate any incremental potential capital in Texas beyond what's outlined in your presentation today or can you give a little more color around what's embedded in that forecast?

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Elisabeth Eden
executive

Yes. So we are looking to do $100 million on average for the next 4 years. And that does not include what we're doing this year, which is the $200 million of equity that we already done as well as the NMRD sales that we're expecting towards the end of the year or early next year.

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Ryan Levine
analyst

And regarding that sale, did you delay or extend the time line from closing that from the fourth quarter to fourth quarter or early next year? And is there any color you could maybe you could speak to as to why maybe the time line is upping a little bit.

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Elisabeth Eden
executive

Yes. We're going through the bid process and our objective is towards the end of the year, but it can slip into the beginning of next year. We do have to go through a first filing in that sale. So that may also take a little time. And as you know, we don't know what's going to happen on November 17. So we're taking that into account as well.

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Patricia Collawn
executive

We're lengthening our regulatory time everything takes longer than we expected. So .

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Ryan Levine
analyst

Okay. And then in terms of the hedge, the interest rate hedge for 2024, how is that structured? At what rate is it hedged at, and does that hedge extent for the [indiscernible] Calendar year? Or is that only a partial year in terms of how that's positioned.

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Elisabeth Eden
executive

Yes, Brian, this is -- we have a hedge of $600 million in total the average price is around 3.5%. And so -- and it goes for the entire calendar year.

Operator

The next question comes from Paul Zimbardo with Bank of America. .

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Paul Zimbardo
analyst

I was just hoping you could drill in a little more on the the new 5-year investment plan? Just are there opportunities to add more batteries into that outlook, whether like 2026 plus as well as renewable scale?

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Joseph Tarry
executive

Yes. Paul, absolutely. A couple of things that I mentioned was the 12-megawatt batteries to relieve the feeder constraints. And to kind of give you a feel, that's 6 megawatts on each feeder. And right now, we have 18 feeders that are at that capacity. So there's always options there as we kind of look forward those feeders provide tremendous customer benefit and being able for the customer to connect to rooftop solar. And right now, they're not able to because of those feeder constraints. So those are options. We've talked about our 2026 RFP. Obviously, that's included in our capital plan. We will have a 2027 RFP that we're working through right now as well. So that kind of pushes it out there. So that's that element of it -- in Texas, there's always opportunities as we file our grid resilience. But those have to always be balanced with customer impacts and the overall financing that we would do.

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Paul Zimbardo
analyst

Okay. Great. Understood there. And kind of at a high level, could you help walk from that 10.6% rate base CAGR to the 5% EPS CAGR? And I know you have the equity in there, which probably takes about 2.5% or so, but it seems like there's kind of some cushion or conservatism? I don't know if that's additional regulatory lag, parent cost or something else?

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Elisabeth Eden
executive

Yes. Good question. So I would say several things. You have a great regulatory construct in Texas, but it's still based on historical test year. And so you do have some regulatory lag. The same thing, first, we have a historical test year. And then there's also timing of rate cases. And so -- and beyond that, you have the holdco financing, both from a debt and equity standpoint. So I think that those things are really what makes up the difference between the rate base growth down to 5% earnings growth.

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Paul Zimbardo
analyst

Okay. Great. So nothing really different from the historical pattern, just regulatory lag and financing.

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Elisabeth Eden
executive

Correct.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jonathan Reeder with Wells Fargo Securities.

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Jonathan Reeder
analyst

I was wondering if you could expand on your understanding of the Supreme Court's options, if they do remain the order back to the PRC, can they narrowly define what issues the PRC can address or fix? Or does the PRC automatically have cart launch?

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Patricia Collawn
executive

I thought you're going to ask us if we're in our Halloween cost base today are not one, but I'll go ahead and answer your merger question. So I wish I had an exact answer on what the Supreme Court can and can't do. And if you listen to the oral argument, I think they were maybe even a little questioning what they can do. But our belief is that they either remand it back where they don't. And again, obviously, depending on what the order on remand says, the commission will get to determine their next step. But the commission should have wide latitude to determine what to reopen, assuming the Supreme Court kind of gives them just as we remand it back to be fixed. I know that's a squishy answer, but it's a squishy process.

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Jonathan Reeder
analyst

Okay. So I mean you do think the commission does have wide latitude even if, I guess, the Supreme...

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Patricia Collawn
executive

Order, they have wide latitude. They obviously can't go outside of the order, but they have wide latitude to address the order.

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Jonathan Reeder
analyst

Okay. All right. Yes. It will be interesting to see how that comes out. So then in terms of... Yes. That might be the understatement right. So how should we be thinking about like weather-normalized EPS for '23 then? If I'm understanding like Slide 19 correctly, it shows above normal weather year-to-date has been like $0.14 positive in New Mexico and $0.05 in Texas. So if I subtract that $0.19 from kind of the new guidance midpoint of, call it, $2.78, it would put full year '23 weather-normalized EPS at $2.59, which is actually below I think your initial '23 guidance range, $2.60 to $2.75. Like is that fair? Is that how we should be thinking of it?

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Elisabeth Eden
executive

Well, we've had strong weather in the third quarter, both across Texas and New Mexico. But we're also -- when that happens, we also use that as an opportunity to do some extra maintenance at the utilities. There's been other offsets in terms of our nuclear decommissioning trust, as you know, we have 80% and asset allocation of 80% fixed income. And so when the fixed income market is dragging that also has an impact and then we also have some interest expense exposure due to both timing of equity as well as the securitization issuance that we're planning to do later this year.

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Patricia Collawn
executive

Jon, I would say the biggest thing is that we dynamically manage our O&M. And so when we have the opportunity to give the folks in the field some extra dollars, we always do that so that they can invest it in the safety and reliability and resiliency of the system. So that's the biggest flex there.

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Jonathan Reeder
analyst

Okay. So yes, we should think of it as you kind of flexing that versus the business not performing as expected or something like that.

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Patricia Collawn
executive

Correct.

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Jonathan Reeder
analyst

That makes sense. And then last, I think kind of following up to Paul's question, just trying to better understand what is or isn't in the new CapEx plan. So the 60-megawatt utility on battery storage project, that's in there, and that's represented by the yellow bars, right? .

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Patricia Collawn
executive

That's correct.

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Jonathan Reeder
analyst

Okay. And then for lack of a better word, the copycat projects of the 12-megawatt battery storage CCN, that's not in there at this point?

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Joseph Tarry
executive

It's not in there. It's just the 12 megawatts is all that's in there. So

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Jonathan Reeder
analyst

Okay. And then what about potential transmission projects in Texas that you alluded to in your prepared remarks? Are any of those baked in?

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Elisabeth Eden
executive

Yes, they are all baked in.

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Jonathan Reeder
analyst

Okay. Are there like -- is there any way to kind of categorize in what's in the budget like projects that I guess we should view or not locked in, depending on maybe regulatory approval, stuff like that, like a certain amount of that at risk? I know you already kind of walked through the potential upside.

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Joseph Tarry
executive

The 12-megawatt even though it was completely unopposed is in there in the regulatory process, we would expect to get approval for that. Texas, those are strong projects that flow through. So we don't see any issues in that arena. Grid mod, we did move back 1 year, but we do expect to get Grid mod in the capital budget. So those are projects that are fluid, but we have capabilities to deliver on themselves.

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Patricia Collawn
executive

They all have high probability of being approved. And then we always have other things we can flip in there if something doesn't get approved. We've got to have lots of capital desires. So there's always enough to fill the pipeline.

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Jonathan Reeder
analyst

So anything that might slip out Yes, you got other stuff that you think would -- but back to.

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Joseph Tarry
executive

And Jonathan, we always balance that with customer impact. So we're always looking at the combination of the both. And as Pat said, there's always additional projects as we harden the system.

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Elisabeth Eden
executive

Yes. And if you see in Texas, I mean, we have tremendous growth in Texas, particularly on the demand both side. And so that really the need for capital investments in Texas is strong. And in particular, when you think about the legislative session with the resiliency ride is coming along, that's a good area for us to invest in.

Operator

Our next question comes from Brandon Lee with Mizuho.

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Unknown Analyst

Most of my questions have been asked, but just wondering, -- so thanks for the disclosure on the $100 million of equity over the next few years. Just wondering if there's any alternative ways you could raise equity in lieu of issuing it, like selling noncore assets or something like that?

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Patricia Collawn
executive

Those are obviously alternatives, but we think issuing equity is the best way to do it. We don't really have any noncore assets. We are obviously in the process of selling NMRD and everything else is core to our business, and we'd like to continue to invest in our business. And I'd rather raise equity and invest in the business and get a return on it than sell a piece of the business. So.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] At this time, we have no further questions. This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference over to Pat Vincent Callon for any closing remarks.

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Patricia Collawn
executive

Thank you, Dave, and thank you all for joining us this morning. We are looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of weeks at EI, and [indiscernible], make sure you raise the toast to your cranky and non-cranky coworkers this evening and have a safe and happy Halloween. Thank you all.

Operator

The conference has concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.