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Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2021-Q3

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Operator

Welcome to Pioneer Natural Resources Third Quarter Conference Call. Joining us today will be Scott Sheffield, Chief Executive Officer. Rich Dealy, President & Chief Operating Officer. Joey Hall, Executive Vice President of Operations and Neal Shah, Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer. Pioneer has prepared PowerPoint slides to supplement their comments today. These slides can be accessed over the Internet at www. pxd.com.

Again, the Internet site to access the slides related to today's Call is www. pxp.com. at the website, select Investors, then select Earnings and Webcasts. This call is being recorded. A replay of the call will be archived on the internet site through November 30th 2021. The Company's comments today will include forward-looking statements made pursuant to the Safe Harbor's Provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

These statements and the business prospects of Pioneer are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results in future periods to differ materially from the forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties are described in Pioneer 's news release on page 2 of the slide presentation and in Pioneer 's public filings made with the Securities and Exchange Commission. At this time for opening remarks, I would like to turn the call over to Pioneer's Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Neal Shah. Please go ahead, sir.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, David. Good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining us for Pioneer's Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Today, we will be discussing our excellent third quarter results and their strategic divestiture of our Delaware basin assets. We will also discuss our peer leading return of capital strategies and the strong ESG focus as outlined, and our recently published 2021 sustainability report and climate risk report. Then, we will open up the call for your questions. With that, I will turn the call over to Scott.

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

Thank you, Neil (ph). Good morning. I think obviously you can see from the headlines on Slide 3, that's probably one of the best quarters in Pioneer's 25-year history which is coming up next year, our 25th year anniversary. And it's hard to imagine a Company like Pioneer throwing out just in one quarter $1.1 billion in free cash flow, obviously, during the quarter and returning $880 million of that in regard to dividend, including base plus variable.

Our dividend payments from the third quarter is 358 a share made up of 302 variable and $0.56 on the base. Probably the big headline from the quarter. Tremendous transaction for Pioneer divesting of our Delaware assets were $3.25 billion expected to close by year-end. And when you add the $250 million recent divestiture from Glasscock County that makes a total for the quarter of about $3.5 billion. We're increasing our base. After talking to a lot of our shareholders over the last several weeks, I think it's very important to continue to increase our base. So we're increasing it over 10%.

That will commence in January with that base dividend payment. And we'd continue to look at significant increases over the next few years as our Balance Sheet continues to improve and if commodity prices continue to perform like they have been. Then lastly, again Neil talked about it. We released our two reports. We'll talk about it later. But again, increasing our goals to 50% in greenhouse gas intensity reduction and 75% in regard to methane intensity. Turning the next slide on slide number 4, again production in the upper half of the third quarter guidance.

Rich will give you more detail in a few minutes in regard to the effect of what the Delaware sale does to us. I think the most important point here with the -- both divestitures of Glasscock County in the Delaware. Obviously, we're now focused on the high-margin, high-return Midland Basin. Will it end up having the strongest balance sheet in the Company's history, a debt EBITDA of 0.4 by the end of the year. Going to our long-term thesis on slide number 5. Again, our focus deliver mid-teens total return.

When you look at one of the later slides with a dividend yield of about 11% going to 2022, growing at 5% a year. That gets us to that mid-teen total return. When you look at just return on capital employed in ROCE, going in the 22 and beyond, we're in that low-to-mid-twenties on both of those numbers. It's really unheard of in regard to the change in the strategy to keep production fairly flat, minimal growth, and return most of the cash flow back to the investor. Reinvestment right of 50 to 60.

When you look at next year, it's really down in the 30% to 40% range. When you look at free cash flow generation. Our free cash flow generation next year will be up 88% from 2021. When you look at a 5-year strip, will generate over $25 billion of free cash flow. If you just take current oil price today in the low 80s to the mid-80s, and keep it flat for the next 5 years, we're over $35 billion of free cash flow. When you just look at the strip pricing, by the end of next year, we will essentially -- for the first time, we're essentially debt-free by the end of 2022.

So Pioneer will end up continuing to have one of the best Balance Sheets in the industry. As I've mentioned, in regard to our strong and growing annual base dividend, we went up over 10% and we say as long as our balance sheet stays in great shape, which we expect, commodity prices continue to stay strong, we'll continue to look at increases over and above our growth rate of 5%. Again, the variable dividend up to 75% of previous quarters, free cash flow of deducting the base dividend, we'll be distributing about 80% or free cash flow back to the shareholders.

Again, we restated, we had a share repurchase program where we had spent about $900 million in 2019 and 2020. We actually are one of the few companies that bought during the pandemic our stock back in the energy sector. But we spent about $900 million and bought the stock back around 130. We go back in history, the other time we bought our stock was back in 2005, 2006 after we sold our Deepwater assets. We spent $1.1 billion at 45.

We do think it's important over the next 5 years, if we do generate $25 to $35 billion of free cash flow, that we significantly reduce the share count over time. But it's going to be opportunistic and during market dislocations. I think the last key point here is that the fact our EBITDA will be up about 45% to 50% next year, primarily due to the full year of both acquisitions and certainly, with very minimal hedging in 2022. Going to slide number 6 again significant increases in our variable dividend and also our base dividend.

Basically a 9X growth from 22 annual dividend over the 2020 returning $1.6 billion in dividends in 2021, a 3X increase from 2020. We're estimating something near about $20 per share totaled payout in 2022. When you go to slide number 7, they show Pioneer 's dividend yield. It'll exceed all peers majors in the S&P 500. We're already at 8% just based on the one we declared for the fourth quarter of 2021. When you look at next year, we'll be 11%.

The other two strong companies below us, obviously, are [Indiscernible] Culterra, with strong variable dividends. But then you see a significant drop to the U.S. majors, European majors. Our dividend yield is over 2x versus the US and European majors. And when you look over the rest of the peers, excluding [Indiscernible] and Culterra, we're basically a 10X dividend times or 10 higher over the rest of the peers. When you look at the S&P 500, which is around 1.6%, we are over 6X to 7X times the S&P 500. I'll now turn it over to Neal, about our base.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Scott. Slide 8 demonstrates maintaining a strong and growing base dividend as a commitment to our shareholders and a key pillar of our investment thesis. As Scott stated earlier, we're further strengthening our base dividend with an increase of greater than 10%, which is an acceleration of our 2022 base dividend increase. Inclusive of this increase, as you can see in the graph, our 5-year base dividend compound annual growth rate of greater than 95% exceeds all peers and U.S. majors.

Additionally, over the same period, while many peers have cut or suspended their base dividends, Pioneer has consistently maintained and grown its base dividend, demonstrating our steadfast commitment to our shareholders and creating value through dependable -- through cycle return of capital. Turning to the next page Slide 9, even with inflationary pressures servicing in 2021, we continue to reduce our controllable cash costs, which are comprised of cash interest, cash G&A and Midland horizontal LOE.

As the results of our high operational efficiencies and acquisition synergy capture. We expect 2021 cash costs to be approximately 30% lower than 2019 levels. Pioneer's unique combination of high oil cut, low controllable cash costs, and top-tier NRI drive compelling cash margins that underpin our strong free cash flow generation and return of capital strategies. Now, I will hand it over to Rich to cover our outlook update.

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Rich Dealy
President & Chief Operating Officer.

Thanks Neal. And good morning, everybody. I am going to start on slide 10, where we show our updated production guidance 2021. You will see here that we've narrowed our full-year production -- oil production range to 356 thousand -- to 359 thousand barrels of oil per day and total production to 613 thousand to 619 thousand BOEs per day. This narrowed guidance reflects the combination of our reported production through September 30th and our Q4 guidance, which includes the impact of the Glasscock divestiture that happened in October.

Due to the Delaware divestiture not closing to near year-end, our production guidance includes Delaware for a full year and our capital guidance is unchanged, but also includes Delaware for a full-year as well. I did see in the notes over the night that there was a couple of comments on our third quarter capital. Just want to hit that upfront that our capital in Q3 did include a fair amount of integration work that we did related to the partially in double point assets where we are upgrading their tank batteries and facilities to our standard.

So that's what was driving a little higher capital. If you move to the 4th quarter, our capital is expected to come down as we do have less integration activity, and will be on average running one less rig and one less frac fleet during the quarter. Turning to slide 11, As Scott mentioned, and Neal talked about, we did announce the Delaware divestitures. You can see from the slide here about $3.25 billion of cash consideration about 92,000 net acres that were -- is being sold and production currently is running about 50,000 BOEs per day.

We did have some a drilling program there, and so if you -- once those wells are completed first quarter, that'll be about 55,00 BOEs a day of production once those are completed in the first quarter and placed on production. As we've mentioned, the transaction is expected to close at year-end. Post this transaction, it does return Pioneer to being 100% focus on our core acreage position in the high-margin, high-return Midland basin. And also, we did announce during close in October, the 20,000 net acres sale of our Glasscock County acreage to Laredo for about $230 million monetizing our long-dated inventory that we were going to get to for a while.

At the time of the sale of this acreage head was producing about 4400 BOEs a day or 2600 barrels of oil per day. So on a combined basis, we're divesting about 3.5 billion of assets in the fourth quarter of this year, which will further strengthen our Balance Sheet. Similar to these transactions, we will continue to pursue strategic acreage trades and we'll continue to evaluate drill cores and small-scale invest -- divestments on long-dated inventory to accelerate value to shareholders. Looking forward to 2022.

After adjusting for both Delaware and Glasscock divestitures, we do expect to keep our Midland Basin production relatively flat with Q4 levels. So we're seeing 2022 production adjusted for the divestitures at 355 thousand to 360 thousand barrels of oil per day, or 630 to 640 thousand BOEs per day. This is expected to result in a 2022 annual oil growth rate consistent with our long-term investment framework of growing production between 0 and 5%. I might also note that as we look at 2020 capital, we are still in the midst of evaluating that. We were expected to spend about $250 to $300 million in the Delaware Basin to grow production there starting in 2022. So I'll stop there and turn [Indiscernible] more details on operations.

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Joey Hall
Executive Vice President of Operations

Thanks, Rich, and good morning to everybody. I am going to be picking up on slide 12. Our 2021 plan remains unchanged and are set to average between 22 and 24 rigs for the full year. We did mobilize several rigs to the Delaware in Q3, which I would equate to approximately one rig for the full year. Drilling and completions continue their strong track record of efficiency gains with greater than 70% and 80% increases on their respective foot per day metrics when compared to 2017. We are still operating two simul frac fleets, which further increases efficiencies and is reducing costs.

Our drilling and completions teams are also successfully executing on 15,000-foot laterals. And at the same time, our land and development planning teams continue adding future 15K laterals across our acreage position. Once again, congrats to the team for great execution in Q3. I'm going to move on to Slide 13. Pioneer has been committed to sustainable operations for a long time, and this has resulted in Pioneer having one of the lowest current emissions intensities amongst our peers.

As you can see, Pioneer's 2019 starting point is lower than the majority of our peers projected intensities for 2025 and 2030. Pioneer's 2030 emissions intensity goals represent one of the most aggressive reduction targets in the industry demonstrating continued progress on our trajectory to net 0. This was only made possible through years of thoughtful planning and investments to minimize emissions at our facilities coupled with our comprehensive leak detection and repair program, including routine aerial surveys.

Now moving to Slide 14 and continuing the same story line from the previous slide, Pioneer also produces extremely low emission intensity oil on a global scale, which will improve as we progress toward our 2030 reduction targets. This combined with our low break-even results and exceptionally resilient production that we expect will compete in the global marketplace for a very long time. And with that, I'll turn it back over to Scott to wrap things up.

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

Yeah. Thank you, Joey, on slide number 15, we talked about our new targets. We've had significant reduction from our baseline in 19 to 20 as indicated with their progress, 27% and 50%. I think we're one of the only companies that has targets for freshwater, reducing freshwater in completions in the U.S. Our new targets are 50% by 2030 for greenhouse gas emissions for both scope 1and 2 and 75% for methane, and previously it was 40%. Also 2020 flaring intensity was 0.2% significantly less than our goal of 1%.

Again, we expect to end routine flaring as defined by the World Bank by 2030 with aspiration to accomplish about 2025. And as Neal said, we just recently published our first climate risk report. Going to slide number 16 and focused on ESG leadership, I think you can see the significant changes we made over the last two years in our annual incentive compensation components for all the executives. I'm still the only CEO in the industry that has 100% tied to performance shares.

Most of other executives, it's around 60%. You can see that we've increased our targets on ESG and HSC up to 20% last year. Goals are 100% align with shareholders interest. We expanded the responsibilities to the Board of Directors sustainability and Climate Oversight Committee, which is led by our Non-Executive Chairman, Ken Thompson, and we recently added a second director this year, Maria Jelescu Dreyfus who has 2 key focuses, 1. On ESG. And secondly, was the Managing Director for Goldman Sach's Investment Partners and an expert in asset management over the last several years. Again, we have a picture of our two reports. We encourage everyone to read these reports. Going to the last slide, enhancing the shareholder value Slide 17. Again, focused on returns, just to remind you I mentioned that will be in the low-to-mid 20s on both ROCE and also ROTCE. Capital discipline, I mentioned that will be returning roughly we're spending about 30 to 40% over the next several years is our reinvestment rate.

Return on capital to our shareholders. I mentioned that we have about $25 to $35 billion and a couple of different price cases, strip in flat price. We'll be returning about 80% of that back to shareholders plus any buybacks that we do during that time period. Preserving a strong Balance Sheet, as I mentioned earlier, we'll have the best Balance Sheet in the Company's history by the end of this quarter. And secondly, we move into zero debt by the end of 2022. Significant inventory. We probably got the largest and longest inventory of any Company in the U.S. today, and we continue on ESG leadership to be performing at the highest level. I'm going to stop there. We will open it up for Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. We'll pause for just a moment to allow everyone an opportunity to signal for questions. We'll take our first question from Doug Leggate with Bank of America. Doug, your line is live.

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

Doug, we can't hear you. Let us go to to the next question.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Neil Mehta of Goldman Sachs.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Good morning, team. Thanks for the content this morning. The first question I had was on 2022 capital spending. I'm tying it into slide number 6, where you give us an early look of what the dividend payout could look like. Can you share with us where the reinvestment rate you think you'll be as base case as you think about 2022 in that 30% to 40% range? And then how do you think about managing different elements of cost inflation that might pop up here as you make the turned into next year?

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Rich Dealy
President & Chief Operating Officer.

Neil, appreciate the question. I think as Scott mentioned, the reinvestment rate is in that 30 to 40% of cash flow projections for 2022. When you think about inflation, it's similar to what I've talked about before. We have seen some upward pressure mainly on materials when you think about Tubulars, Diesel, Cement, Sand, chemicals. And we're starting to see some in labor, as it's gotten a little tighter on the labor side.

We've been able to offset that with some efficiency improvements and our long-term contracts helped dampen that impact but, overall for the year we're expecting to see mid-single-digit inflation for the year with probably as we move toward the end of the year closer to 10% inflation, which will push us up in our capital guidance range toward the -- probably the higher end of that capital range.

As you look at 2022, we're looking at probably something in the mid-single-digits from an inflationary standpoint. And hopefully we'll still be able to offset and we still plan to offset some of that with efficiency gains. But having said all that, I think with the higher commodity prices we'll still be able to offset the inflation and really will still allow for stronger overall margins, which is driving up, or allowing us our reinvestment rate to come down from the 50% to 60%, to 30% to 40% for 2022.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

I appreciate the color and then just spend some time talking about the asset sales. Why did you think monetizing the Delaware made sense? It sounds like it's -- a big part of it is just a core up here into Midland, and how do you think about use of proceeds? It doesn't sound like a buyback is eminent as you want to be procyclical with that, is this just really to bolster the dividend payout?

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

Yeah, Neal. First of all, we knew that when we acquired the Delaware and ranked it versus the Midland Basin, that it doesn't compete under various price scenarios long term. And so we wanted to take roughly a period of several quarters and evaluate it. And as I had mentioned last call, that we had, we had been approached by a Company, and so we started the process -- complete that process and decided to go in vest. Let's go into the Balance Sheet.

I think going forward, we stated our new debt targets that used to run debt - to-EBITDA 0.75, we lowered it to 0.5 and I'd prefer to have 0 debt long-term. It gives us a lot of options. I've stated already on the buybacks, we'll like to reduce shares significantly, but I'd like to do it at a good price. We think definitely we will be buying back creep. And we've had several dislocations during 2021. It wouldn't surprise me if we have some dislocations during 2022. So you'll see us be buying shares in the marketplace during 2022.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Scott.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Doug Leggate with Bank of America.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Guys, can you hear me now?

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Yes, Doug. Perfect.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Awesome. Thank you. I don't know what happened, I do apologize and appreciate calling on me. So Scott, you've got probably the best inventory of any E&P in the industry in terms of longevity, visibility, and so on. You've also got the lowest sustainable break even. My issue or my question is that, I don't know that variable dividends get the recognition that an ordinary dividend does. Think about the dividend discount models of a major oil Company. You've got the longevity to get out recognition, why not raise the base dividend?

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

We've already made -- this is only our second variable dividend payment, Doug, Devon mass made will be their third when they make it. And so that the variable dividend just now getting started, I'm a firm believer when you -- when a lot of companies get used and see 11% yield coming out of mid-2022 that we'll get more credit.

So I'm being patient in that regard, plus I don't want to get into a habit. You can increase the base, we are going to increase the base, we increased it over 10%, we'll continue to increase the base. But I don't want to get into [Indiscernible] what Neil talked about, I mean, over half our peers had to cut their base, over half the majors cut their base last year.

So you don't want to get into a situation where you increase your base to a point to where you have to cut it. It impacts the stock price long-term significantly so, we have to be very careful. I think having a great balance sheet and 0 debt, we have lots of choices between buybacks, variable dividends, and base dividends. And so our goal is to return most of that to the shareholders in those three forms.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

I understand the answer, and I guess we'll keep plugging away on that, but thanks for the answer, Scott. My follow-up is a little bit of a technical issue, so maybe this one's for Neal. I want to talk about cash taxes and the IDC coverage of sustaining capital as you ran the wells roll-off (ph). Because it seems to me that, as we transition into this business model, you guys have clearly embraced and are leading the market on, the concern now is that break-evens are going to start to move back up as cash tax has become real. So as NOLs runoff, maybe for Neal, but you're still spending at sustaining levels, how should we think about the current tax on a cash basis going forward?

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Hey, Doug. Good morning. If you think about that break-even, we're really talking about where that operating cash flow equals your capital on a go-forward basis. And in that environment, you could think about Net Income being relatively 0, really, you're not seeing much -- you won't see an impact on your break-even. Now the breakeven will migrate ever so slightly higher. But in that environment, Doug, I'd say the way we view break-even and the way we quantify it. Where again, it's not operating cash flow equaling that capital program, I'd say on the margin, it won't be impactful.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

That's helpful. Thanks a lot, Neal.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Of course.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Jeanine Wai of Barclays.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Hi. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking our questions.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Jeanine.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

I guess our first question is for you, Scott. I think I heard in your prepared remarks that you mentioned that you may consider growing oil above 5%. I'm not sure if I caught that correctly, but if I did, is this primarily based on your updated macro view on oil supply demand or is it more related to Company-specific factors such as the right efficiencies and your great Balance Sheet?

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

No. I did mention of always -- I did not mention anything about growing above 5%, so I've stated publicly that we're not going to grow above 5%. In regard to the macro, I do think that we're getting in a very tighter market over the next several years. Unused capacity in OPEC Plus is going to be used up in the next two years, there is no extra supply. I'm a firm believer that we're going to be in $80 to $100 scenario over the next several years.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Okay. Great.

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

If not higher.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

My apologies. It sounded weird, so we wanted to check in on that. Thank you.

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

Okay. Thank you.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

And then on the buyback, on our numbers, you'll be well below your half a turn debt target after closing the dollar sales so, can you talk about how you think buybacks create the most value for Pioneer shareholders, meaning you say that you will execute opportunistic buybacks during market dislocations, does that really referred to just crude price dislocations or would you consider doing buybacks that are more correlated to keeping leverage, say, at that half a turn? Thank you.

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

Yeah, Neil, I think one of the things our industry has done a poor job of, is they always buy back at the top. If you look at all the companies and all the CEOs and look at their purchases, they always buy back at the top of the cycle. They never buy back the bottom. I don't know of one Company major or independent that bought last year during the pandemic, except Pioneer. We bought some in the second quarter of last year.

So that's 0.1 and it's -- I'd rather buy a lot more shares when they're dislocated. And if you look at our price, we had several dislocations during 2021. And so you'll see us go into the market when you see those dislocations, so I expect to be several dislocations and at the end of the day over a 5-year time period, we hope to reduce the share count by at least 10%. We should be able to if we see the type of prices that are out there in the strip or in the -- just a flat price case. So that's what I hope happens and it's what should happen so.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Alright. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Scott Hanold of RBC Capital Markets.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Thanks. Congratulations on the quarter, and my question is going to be a little bit on the buyback again as well. But can you just discuss the interplay between buybacks and fixed and variable dividends? When you look at the max cap of 75%, you're looking at the variable. Would buybacks be in addition to that, or would you kind of keep that level fairly firm with the all-inclusive between buybacks and variables?

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

Now, we've stated that we would seriously look at buybacks when our debt - to-EBITDA gets below 0.5. So, it gets below 0.5 by the end of this year it gets to almost 0 In the next year. So as we generate free cash that goes on the Balance Sheet, so we'll have significant firepower for buybacks. So our current buyback that we bought in '19 and '20 is still outstanding, it's still in play. And so obviously, we'll use that, after that we would use them and the Board will look at whether or not to go ahead and announce another buyback. And so there's nothing magic about it. It's just that I think it's long -term, it's important to reduce shares over time.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Right. So yes. So I guess the [Indiscernible] of my question is in theory, you guys could -- obviously when you look at a total cash return to shareholders fixed variable and buyback, if I were to look at it that way, certainly it could be in excess of that 75 capital that you utilize for the variable dividends structure, right?

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

Yes. Yeah. It's in excess of the 80% we're returning already. So we're generating so much free cash flow that there's no use. Once you go to 0 debt, you got huge firepower in addition to distributing 80% in regard to dividends. You got firepower to reduce shares also.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Got it. Okay. Makes sense. Great to hear. And my next question is on hedging and how you look at hedging going forward considering all of the above with where leverages in the macro. In last quarter I think you've commented that over the coming weeks back then you were going to be talking to investors about evaluating what the right long-term hedge strategy is. Do you have any kind of feedback from that at this point?

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Rich Dealy
President & Chief Operating Officer.

Yes, Scott, Rich here. Yeah, a couple of things. Really no plans to do any incremental hedging at this point in time as Scott talked about, we're bullish on oil prices and think there's more room to move up and then down. And just given our size and scale after doubling the size of the Company with the acquisitions, strong balance sheet, low investment rate. And then you combine that with the current tight supply demand situation, and then just the back gradation of the strip.

If you look at the strip, the front month, WTI is kind of $ 83 and you go out 5 years and it's $59, so you almost a 20 $5 drop on WTI so, really no plans today. And from talking to shareholders, they agree with that, really no reason to hedge in this environment and you really just can't hedge out any long term. So the best hedge we have is a strong balance sheet and as Scott talked about, we're going to be on point for the end of this year and virtually 0 in the next year. So that's really from a hedging standpoint, no incremental hedges plans.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Appreciated. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from John Freeman of Raymond James.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Good morning, guys.

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

Hey John.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

The first question I had last quarter, Rich, you talked about just as the integration went really well, those continued completion and joining efficiency gains and again, that was touched on again on Slide 12 in your presentation, you talked about how last quarter that led to the higher pop cadence and I saw that you have updated the full-year pop guidance from the previous 470 to 510 range to call it 9% hiring now the 535 pumps, and I guess I'm curious if that has sort of any implications for how you sort of think about the longer-term plan -- talked about in the past of needing to add 1 to 2 rigs and sort of support that longer-term growth profile, it's -- these efficiency gains are letting you do sort of more with less in essence?

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, John. Great question, and I would say that we still view it in those 1 to 2 rigs. That was with the bigger Company when we had Delaware, so that probably tweaks it a little bit. But generally, I think it's still in that same range. I don't think it's moved. I mean, obviously we'd love to see that move down as we continue to capture some of these efficiency gains and get better at what we're doing. So overall, I think it's going to be very similar to what we've talked about in the past on the pop side of things for 2021, what I'd say, there's a lot of noise this year with the 2 acquisitions and a lot of it is just timing of whether those wells were popped under prior to us closing the transaction or after.

And so we expected a number of the wells that we ended up popping, the double point would have popped before we got to closing. And so I wouldn't read too much into it other than it's just timing of who's watch were those wells under as why we got to higher pop count. I'm hopefully that helps.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Got it. That does, thanks. And then you talked about potentially the expansion of doing more the 15,000-foot laterals and obviously you are one of the few companies given the contiguous nature of [Indiscernible] to be able to do that over a large part of your position. I just -- is there any sort of, I guess context or additional color you could give on how the 15,000-foot laterals this year have performed relative to call it -- call the more traditional 10,000-foot lateral? Is just any additional color would be helpful?

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Joey Hall
Executive Vice President of Operations

John, from execution perspective, we had no issues executing on the drilling and completion side. We did about a dozen this year and we'll be looking to probably double that next year, if not a little bit more. From a well productivity perspective, we haven't -- we expect that the wells will perform similar to like our 12 5's and 13's, which is a very positive impact from an economics perspective. So we still continuing to have these enter our program as time goes on, we see these as being a huge value adder to our program.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Thanks guys, appreciate it.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our next question from Arun Jayaram of JP Morgan.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Good morning. Arun Jayaram with JP Morgan. And Neal perhaps for you. I want to get a sense of -- for the Delaware Basin as well as the Laredo transaction and in Glasscock and that would be $3.5 billion in cash proceeds. Could you talk about any tax implications from those 2 transactions? And perhaps the follow-up there would be -- any thoughts on how much debt would you plan to retire in 2022, if the strip holds based on how you're thinking about the world today?

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Arun, I'm going to focus on the Delaware and then follow up with your question on the debt here. Think about from the Delaware perspective, you look at the book value that we booked it was $4.1 million due to purchase accounting. We had a carryover tax base of $1.9 billion on those assets. If you think about the proceeds of, let's call it 3.25, you will have adjustments that we make due to the effective date we would expect to book loss of approximately $1 billion at a taxable gain of approximately $1.2 billion.

So a little bit differences there between the book and the tax. Now, if you reference in Scott's question -- Scott's discussion on debt and debt retirement and use of proceeds 20 -- if you look at the debt towers in the appendix, in 2022, we are about $244 million, and that's roughly call it 4% debt. In 2023, $750 million. That's 55 basis points. In 2024, it's $750 million at 75 basis points. Now, that 2024 is callable in 2022. So if you think about the free cash flow profile that Scott 's articulated and the return of capital we've discussed, we actually haven't staggered into the model repaying that debt.

So really, already, it's factor in to how we talk about return of capital. Any acceleration of free cash flow, or an increase in free cash flow due to greater commodity prices, really would provide that opportunity to get that net debt lower and pay down our gross debt as well, which really then would what Scott said, free up more of the balance sheet to be opportunistic with buybacks. And Scott articulated point 5X as that target. I'd say that we look at the long-term target. By the end of the year due to the divestiture will be at 0.4.

So it sets us up into good position to be opportunistic as we look forward to 2022. And as you and I all know and everyone on this call, the market is highly volatile. There's always opportunities within the market to buy back stock. And if you look at energy as potentially being higher beta, I'd say that provides even more entry points. So, it's our shareholders money, that's how we think about it. We try to be really smart and thoughtful in terms of how we allocate capital and we returned capital to shareholders, so I think you'll see that from us as we move forward into 2022.

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Rich Dealy
President & Chief Operating Officer.

Hey, everyone. Just one follow-up on the tax question is -- I'm also just to -- I know you know, but we'll be able to shelter 100% of that tax gain with our $8 billion of NOL so really just we're still forecasting in 2023 we'll be there or at least that we'd be paying in cash taxes.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

In 2023. That's helpful, Rich. And then maybe my follow-up is for Joey. We've seen a couple of your peers really highlight some of the efficiency gains in the Midland Basin from Simon packet, it sounds like you're at two crews today. And how do you think about the adoption of that on a go-forward basis and what type of efficiency gains are you seeing relative to a standard zipper frac crew.

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Joey Hall
Executive Vice President of Operations

We continue to see great success like others with Simon Frac. As I said in my prepared comments, we do have 2 Simon Frac fleets and we're looking at the possibility of adding a third Simon Frac fleet at some point in time in the near future. Seeing a significant efficiency gains, well cost reductions in the neighborhood of $2 to $300,000. And I always get asked, all the time, why don't you just immediately convert all of your fleets to Simon Frac.

But it's just -- it's a significant -- well number one, some of the pads aren't conducive if you have an odd number of wells on a pad, that can play a little bit of a difficult pardon, summer frack, but also just the water and sand logistics. In essence, the demand at one point in time is 50% greater, so we don't want to overcapitalize on our water infrastructure.

We do have one of the most vast water infrastructures and that's why we are able to support two continuous summer frack fleets. These are going nonstop, not just coming and going so. But we will continue to add some more frack fleets as our water infrastructure grows and we'll adopt it as it makes sense from a capital perspective.

Great, thanks a lot.

Operator

Our next question comes from Derrick Whitfield with Stifel.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, and good morning to all, and congrats on your quarter and the Delaware divestiture. Building on your -- building on your divestiture success and your prepared comments, could you comment on your desire to move more the longer-dated Midland inventory similar to the Laredo transaction, and speak of the potential size of that opportunity set based on the improvement we've experienced at both really the oil and capital markets?

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

Derrick, I don't -- I think as we've talked about on previous calls and then like you've seen demonstrate what the Laredo transaction. We're going to continue to evaluate that every year. And similar to the last three or four years, we've had packages that we've done, whether it's outright sales or drill goes. And so the market is there, people are interested in those.

And so I think we'll continue to look at those and be strategic about those on an annual basis. So real no change. I mean, we're still going to obviously look to add in terms of acreage trades as well. And so that will be part of our portfolio and balancing between acreage trades, but then divesting longer-dated stuff that we're not going to get to for a while.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Great. And with my follow-up, I wanted to focus on ops, perhaps for Joey. Could you elaborate on how you're using predictive analytics and machine learning to improve E&C efficiencies and comment on the maturity of this technology and progressing your efficiencies today.

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Joey Hall
Executive Vice President of Operations

Yeah, I'd love to. I really appreciate that question. I'll give one specific example. When you look at the waterfall charts of where we're getting our cost reductions, now it's not big things, it's a bunch of little things. And one example of where we use predictive analytics was on our chemicals for our whenever we're delivering our stimulations on our wells. We've gone back and use machine learning to determine based on what the outcome is during the delivery of the frack, how we can throttle back our chemicals on the well and thus use less chemical.

And whenever you look at that on an individual well basis it may not be big bucks, but when you multiply those times 500, it turns into a huge dollar. Another on the drilling side, we have a stuck pipe predictive tool, where we've gone back and looked at the events where we've had stuck pipe and the drilling activity. And by doing that, we could use machine learning and predictive analytics to know how we can see that coming and thus prevent it.

And it's been hugely successful for us. And I could go on and name numerous examples. So I would say from my perspective that it's a very mature methodology that we have adopted and used continuously, but the opportunities for their limitless and we continue to expand it. So appreciate the question, but no, it's been a huge success for us and we look forward to its benefits going forward.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

That's great. And thanks for your time.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Paul Cheng of Scotiabank.

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Paul Cheng
Scotiabank

Thank you. Good morning. Two questions please. And the first one, on the cash pack. Did I hear it right, that in 2023 you still not going to be a cash taxpayer in any meaningful way because the [Indiscernible] and NOL looked like, you will fully use up in next year?

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

No, Paul, you're right. It's -- I think you misheard it. We actually do become a cash tax payer in 2023.

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Paul Cheng
Scotiabank

I see. And at that point then what kind of tax rate that -- cash tax rate that we should assume?

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Well, we'll have the -- you have the 21% and then 1% stay and then we do have a deferred tax liability that starts to filter in at probably 2024 and beyond so I mean, you'll have those impacts that way into the model as well. But we'll become a full cash tax payer in 2023.

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Paul Cheng
Scotiabank

So 100% of your reported tax will be cash tax by '23?

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. I'd say it for slightly a smaller portion than that, but then it does step up.

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Paul Cheng
Scotiabank

I see. Okay.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

And we have determined deferred tax liability that will be rolling off.

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Paul Cheng
Scotiabank

The second question is on the Delaware assets, do you have a EBITDA contribution from those assets in the third quarter, you can share or at a minimum, can you tell us that on a per BOE basis, is that at a lower EBITDA margin I assume campaign to your overall portfolio? And also just curious that if new already plan to sell those assets, why increased or during activity and the rig activity in the third quarter relate to those assets, forward that this deal just come unexpected and on the oil much during attend, you had thought.

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, a follow up to Rich. I'd say a couple things. One, the wells we're just planned as our normal routine, and so we had -- whether or not we were going to be divested, it was still unknown as Scott talked about. I mean, we had the unsolicited interest in which led us through the process, so I would just say that was normal course, and drilling those wells was on the schedule and planned, and we were going to proceed ahead. In terms of the asset, it's kind of a catch 22 in the sense of that it's higher oil cut.

And so, obviously, you get a higher oil price on a bigger part of those barrels, but it did have higher operating cost. And so, margin-wise, in a higher-price environment, it was very competitive with what was in the Midland Basin. But lower-price environment, clearly the margins were better in Midland. So that's really from a standpoint of free cash flow generation and cash flow generation of how that asset

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Neal Shah
Senior Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

stacks up, and in terms of the cash flow basis I don't have the exact third quarter numbers so we'd have to get back to you on that.

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Paul Cheng
Scotiabank

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from David Deckelbaum of Cowen and Company.

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David Deckelbaum
Cowen and Company

Thanks everyone for taking the questions this morning. I just wanted to follow up on one of the longer-term points maybe that you were making earlier, Scott. As you accrue more and more cash and you get below that leverage target, and theoretically if we're entering this world of limited spare capacity, $80 plus, $100 crude, The 75% excess free cash payout beyond the base dividend is still like a very good long-term vision. We would just think about future cash accrued being either used opportunistically and ordered for buybacks over time, or just used to support sort of a base dividend increase at that point, particularly as you get to a point where you're debt-free.

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

I think you'll see a combination of us over time in that strong commodity price market shift from variable to base. And 1. Secondly, you'll see us in the $80 plus market, just to give you an idea. We're easily have over $10 billion of firepower to buy back stock at various prices. And so I just showed you the potential of firepower that we have over and above distributing 80% of our free cash flow for both base and variable over time.

So we're starting to see additional dividend funds invest. We're starting to see our ownership change more and more dividend funds are buying PXD stock for the dividends. Secondly, we're starting to see more retail come in. We're making all that effort to go into all the firms trying to get more retail to shift into PXD because of the dividend yield. But we still think it's important to reduce the share count overtime to -- that's another way besides growing 5% a year, to increase EBITDA to reduce the share count, to increase EBITDA.

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David Deckelbaum
Cowen and Company

Certainly, I appreciate that, Scott. And then maybe just a follow-up, maybe just a little bit in the weeds. But maybe this is for you, Joey, but interested just as we've seen, more private activity in the Permian. And in general pick-up significantly outpacing public activity. Has any private activity that's increasing in and around your acreage position and Midlands created sort of increased downtime that you hadn't necessarily planned for in '21?

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Joey Hall
Executive Vice President of Operations

No. We stay in pretty close contact the private operators as well and but now it hasn't impacted us at all.

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David Deckelbaum
Cowen and Company

Thank you. I appreciate it, guys.

Operator

And our next question comes from Bertrand Donnes of Truist Securities.

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Bertrand Donnes
Truist Securities

Good morning, guys. Thanks for sneaking me in at the end. I'll just ask one so you can wrap it up. Could you maybe just talk about yourself positioning for the retail investor. I think you may have addressed it a little bit, but is that mostly just covered by maybe ESG initiatives. You have strong shareholder returns and then you are broadcasting kind of the disciplined commentary, which is very well appreciated. But is there anything else going on behind the scenes that maybe we're not privy to that retailers

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Rich Dealy
President & Chief Operating Officer.

It's a great question. And I think you can tell by the slide deck and how we positioned the discussion on the variable plus the base, how we view the return of capital and that yield to be competitive, not across on the institutional investor, but as with the retail investor. So we are taking steps and we're making those overtures and we've had discussions with some of the private wealth managers across some of the large institutions and we will continue to do so.

And I think we've had a lot of traction there, we've had a lot of discussions there and a lot of positive momentum and a lot of positive feedback, which is really part of how you've seen us position as Scott pointed, the increase in the base dividend, as well as the continued focus on the variable dividend. So there has been traction, there has been a number of inbound calls and we've made a number of outbound overtures as well in discussions. So it's our hope and our anticipation that you'll see increased retail presence within Pioneer equity holder.

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Bertrand Donnes
Truist Securities

Sounds good. It sounds like they appreciate the yield. That's all from me, guys. Thanks.

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Rich Dealy
President & Chief Operating Officer.

They do. Certainly, they do. Thanks.

Operator

That concludes today's question-and-answer session. Scott Sheffield at this time I will turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks.

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Scott Sheffield
Chief Executive Officer.

Again, Thank you everyone for listening to probably one of the best quarters in Pioneer's history. I know we will see you again until early next year. And so I hope everybody have a happy holiday and travel safely. Again, Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.