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This is The Scotts Miracle-Gro Company's second quarter conference call. Today's call is being recorded.
Mr. King, you can now begin.
Good morning everyone. I am Jim King, Executive Vice President and Chief Communications Officer in the The Scotts Miracle-Gro Company. And I want to welcome all of you this morning to our second quarter earnings conference call. I am joined this morning by our CEO, Jim Hagedorn and CFO, Randy Coleman as well as our President and Chief Operating Officer, Mike Lukemire and finally, Chris Hagedorn, General Manager of Hawthorne Gardening Company.
Our call today will take a slightly different approach than normal. While we always strive to be comprehensive in our prepared remarks, are comments today are likely to go further than normal. We will discuss not only our results but our full year outlook and the longer term implications we currently anticipate as a result of the COVID-19 crisis. Therefore our commentary will be longer than normal.
Jim and Randy have both prerecorded their prepared remarks today. At the conclusion of their remarks, we will rejoin the call for a live Q&A session. We want to answer as many questions as possible. So I am requesting your assistance in asking just a single question and a related follow-up.
I already scheduled calls with members of the sell side and buy side community throughout the balance of the week and you have my assurance that I will be reachable in the days ahead at (937)-578-5622.
One bit of housekeeping before we start. Randy and I will be participating in a virtual investor conference sponsored by William Blair & Company on June 9. We have historically use the timing of this event to update the financial community on our performance and outlook for the month of May and that is our intention again this year. We currently anticipate issuing a press release before the event and intend to provide some additional commentary during the virtual conference itself.
So with that, let's get started. I want everyone to know that our comments today will include forward-looking statements and that our actual results could differ materially from what we have said today, based on a variety of risk factors. A comprehensive list of those risk factors are contained at the end of today's press release as well as within our 10-K which is filed the Securities and Exchange Commission. I also want everyone to note that this call is being recorded. An archived recording of the call as well as the transcript to the call will be stored on our Investor Relations website, investor.scotts.com.
Without further delay, I now want to turn things over our CEO, Jim Hagedorn,
Thanks Jim and good morning everyone. As you can imagine have a lot of ground to cover this morning. It's probably obvious to everyone listening that I am extremely pleased with our performance so far. What's most obvious is I am not just talking about the numbers.
Before I get into the details, I want to acknowledge the challenges we are all facing as a society. Yes, we are fortunate here at Scotts Miracle-Gro that our business is doing well. But I know thousands of businesses are struggling and that millions of our fellow citizens are too. Our thoughts and prayers gout to those who have lost loved ones during this crisis and those who will as the virus lingers. And our best wishes go out to those companies who take the long road to recovery.
Above the door in my office is a saying my father always liked that luck is where hard work and opportunity meet. Like my dad, I am not a big believer in luck. Our results in the second quarter and our outlook for the balance of the year is the result of the intersection of our talent, of planning and our corporate culture. The culture we have built and carefully nurtured here has proven to be our most valuable asset as we navigated this crisis.
That's a credit to all of our people, starting with Mike Lukemire and the rest of my team. I am hard-pressed to identify a major weakness in the organization right now. not only has every part of the company stepped up to the challenge, it feels like every associate had taken this crisis personally. And of course, it doesn't hurt that we are engaged in a category where participation has actually increased despite current events.
You probably aren't hearing this from other CEOs, but I believe we may be operating the business better right now. I am particularly pleased by what we have done since the end of the second quarter. And that's why we remain confident enough to reaffirm our full year guidance at a point where most companies are suspending theirs. I am going to leave most of the details regarding our financials for Randy to discuss.
For the balance of my prepared comments, I want to spend my time talking about three things. First, I want to discuss the advanced planning that has helped us managed through this crisis and how those actions helped lead to the results we reported today. As you can see, we are significantly ahead of last year on both the top and bottom line through the end of March.
Second, I wanted to discuss the real-time operating adjustments we have made to keep our business on track. These have occurred mostly in April, generally in the areas of sales and marketing and focused primarily in our U.S. consumer segment.
Third, I want to talk longer term and in doing so, talk about what we have learned over the past two months about the real definition of an essential business. While I can't predict the future, but it is clear to me that our business and our company has permanently changed as a result of what we are dealing with right now for the better, I believe. Our challenge will be to take the lessons of 2020 and apply them to our business next year and beyond, especially in the U.S. consumer segment. I happen to believe that many legacy consumer branded companies will be stronger coming out of the crisis and I definitely put Scotts Miracle-Gro on that list.
So let's get going. I am proud to say, we were extremely well prepared to deal with this crisis. We are now midway through week eight of operating our business remotely. I happen to be in the same room this morning with some of my colleagues in Ohio because it is the best way to ensure we put our best effort forward for this call. But we are sitting at opposite ends of a large conference table in our boardroom. This is the first time I have seen any of them in person since March 12. While we have actually been working well together from a distance, I must admit it's nice to actually see people in the flesh once again.
For those of you who don't know, I am a former member of the Board of the CDC Foundation and I was a member of that Board during a period of high concern about Avian Flu. My proximity to that issue prompted Scotts to put a pandemic plan in place back then which we dusted off shortly after we returned from the Christmas break.
Going back to my comment about the combination of talent and planning, the team here has spent six weeks developing a plan to run our business, if the threat from COVID-19 reached a level that ultimately occurred. That effort was led by our Head of HR, Denise Stump, our General Counsel, Ivan Smith, our supply chain lead, Scott Hendrick and our, Head of IT, Ricardo Bartra. We also hired outside experts from the specialty areas of public health and corporate wellness.
We were doing all of that in early February. So by the second week of March, we had tested our systems, put safety protocols in place, communicated thoroughly with our Board of Directors, advised the state of Ohio and made the decision to close our offices and to begin working remotely. We took those steps before nearly any other company and probably two weeks before anyone was talking about shelter in place orders.
Throughout the entirety of our planning, the safety of our associates and the communities where they live was our number one priority. In all of our more than 50 manufacturing and distribution facilities, for both the U.S. consumer and Hawthorne, we put new protocols in place to keep people healthy, including asking our associates to take their temperatures before they came to work.
We either separated people by six feet or put dividers in place to make it easier for them to social distance while on the job. We created downtime between shifts so that we could properly clean our equipment. When it was available, we provided protective gear. We waived our sick leave policy so people wouldn't be nervous about staying home if they weren't feeling well and we communicated with them constantly. We worked with our retail partners so that our frontline staff associates can work in the evening to minimize their contact with other people.
We discontinued all consumer counseling activities and had them focus solely on managing retail inventory and product merchandising. We also recognize that the work of our frontline associates involves a level of risk and stress that those of us in management, those of us working remotely at home did not have to endure. So we implement a generous premium pay package that increased their hourly wage by 50%. While we have since decided to exclude the total onetime cost of that effort, roughly $30 million to $35million from our adjusted earnings, it doesn't really matter whether we do or we don't.
Our associates, communities and customers, not our shareholders were our priority when we implemented that program. The premium we paid our associates was money well earned. We were fortunate that the products we sell, especially related to edible gardening and insect control as well the retail channels in which those products are sold were considered an essential business from day one of this crisis. By planning ahead and putting our associates first, we were able to do more than just stay in business.
We were able to confidently meet increases in demand for our product and in many cases exceeded our expectations. I am sure that some of our frontline associates felt stressed in the early days of the crisis. But we saw a call-offs and they appreciated the steps we took to both protect them and reward them.
While several hundred of our associates have told us they have had COVID like symptoms, only about a dozen associates of our 7,000 tested positive for the virus and those were divided between management and frontline associates. Two of our associates had to be briefly hospitalized, but both are now home and doing well.
In both major segments, we saw a surge in demand in the last two weeks of March, after management had begun working remotely which we alluded to in our press release on March 26. We were already having a solid quarter in both businesses, but that surge was meaningful in driving the 11% sales growth we saw in U.S. consumer in the quarter and the 60% sales growth we saw on Hawthorne. Both businesses did even better on the bottomline with U.S. consumer profits up 17% and Hawthorne up 148%. So it's obvious that we pleased with our second quarter results and like where we stand on a year-to-date basis as well.
I want to move to my second theme and discuss the adjustments that have been made since the end of the March quarter to keep the business moving forward. Consumer POS during Q2 increased more than 20% compared to 2019, as we disclosed on March 26 and we were up more than 14% on a year-to-date basis. And as you can see this morning, our U.S. consumer business reported an 11% increase in sales for the quarter. I know some retailers were concerned in March about the potential breakdown in supply chain. We also know that some consumers were worried about stores being closed. So there was some degree of pantry load going on, especially in the last two weeks of the quarter.
Additionally, April was our largest month of the year and we were up against a tough comp, up 27% compared to prior year. On top of that, we participated in conversations with our largest retail partners about temporarily pulling back on promotional activity so we weren't creating big crowds during the height of the virus. And finally, some of those same retailers placed limits on the number of consumers who could be in the store at the same time.
So as we expected, POS declined in April, down 8% from last year. Shipments declined as well. But just because we gave back some of our early game doesn't mean we didn't have a strong April. We did. And May is off to a good start too. In each of the last five weeks, POS was up $120 million. We set a company record in the last week of April when consumer purchases exceeded $150 million. In the first week of fiscal May, POS was over $190 million, not just a record for that seven-day period, it was the highest level of POS for any seven-day period in company history. So sitting here today, year-to-date POS at our largest four retailers was up 8%. The greatest strength has been in gardening and insect control. POS of soil was up 31%, with plant food up 16% higher.
The other are of our gardening business is Bonnie Plants, in which we have a 25% interest. POS of edible plants was up 43%. POS of Ortho Indoor insect product has grown by 27% and outdoor insect products are up 31%. Grass feed is plus 11%, Ortho weed control products are up 9%, Roundup is plus 6%, lawn fertilizer is plus 1% from last year. Mulch is down 37%, a number we would expect to improve significantly in May as retailers reengage in promotional activity. As most of you know, mulch is an important but low margin business. So given the strength in other categories, we have been able to overcome the bottomline impact so far. If you exclude mulch from the calculation, POS was up 13% on a real-time basis.
Three things led to the strong performance so far in Q3, all of which will remain critical for the balance of the year. First is how we manage our advertising. Near the end of March, we scrapped nearly all of the creative that have been developed to support the business in spring. We realized that it would be tone deaf to use advertising to focus on product performance and promotions at a time when so many Americans were panicked about their physical and financial health. That doesn't mean we didn't advertise, in fact, just the opposite.
But we didn't talk to consumers about why our products matter. We talked to them about why gardening matters. We talked to them about why being outside matters. These were methods that were relevant in the moment and struck exactly the right tone. We also shifted the mix of spending with about 60% of the activity occurring digitally, the first time ever that TV received such a low percentage. So the precision of our targeting was just as important as the message itself.
Our heavy use of social has given us near instant feedback from consumers which allowed us to continue to refine both the message and the visuals, a challenge because we couldn't shoot any new footage. The majority of our advertising was also focused on the gardening category where we have continued to see strong momentum all season. So a surge in interest in gardening bodes well for the opportunity to strengthen our relationship with consumers for years to come.
Our early research suggest that as many as 30% of the people who engaged in edible gardening so far this spring are either lapsed users or gardening for the first time. So the category has expanded and our job going forward is to keep those new consumers engaged. That means they need to continue seeing lawn and gardening as essential in their lives. And the way they view our company and our brand is even more important. I will elaborate on this point in a few minutes.
The second reason behind our continued momentum is our e-commerce business has exploded. By the end of April, online sales had already exceeded $100 million and topped our full year numbers for 2019. The majority of these sales were through the websites owned by our traditional retailers, with an option for products to be delivered or to be made available for in-store pickup. There is no doubt curbside pickup is likely to be a bigger fixture in the category as we move forward.
We were seeing new online sales records by our major retailers day-after-day during April and it took a new level of collaboration between our sales, marketing and supply chain teams working with our retailers to pull that off. Through the first week of May, even if some consumers started to venture out a bit more, the online business has not lost a step. We have also seen record sales levels this season through exclusively online distribution channels like Amazon and through our own.com platforms.
The third reason for our momentum in April was a shift in the retail landscape. I am going to be careful not to be overly precise here because many of our retail partners, both large and small, are also publicly traded companies and I don't want to discuss their individual performance. Retailers were each making very different decisions, sometimes difficult ones based on the setup of their stores, their ability to manage large crowds and their desire not to be seen as exploiting the benefit of being designated as an essential service.
Not surprisingly, consumer activity was curtailed with some of our largest retailers. At the same time, in both channels like hardware and farm and fleet, where retailers have a smaller footprint that did not have to make major adjustments to their business models, we were seeing growth in a range of 20% to 30% in April. This next tier of customers has been extremely innovative during this crisis and have improved their market share. We are far ahead of what we expected from this group and those gains were perfectly timed.
While these three factors definitely allowed us to maintain our momentum in April, the season is hardly in the bag. It's worth remembering that in a normal year, we would still have 50% of consumer activity in front of us. Weather has been a bit of a drag in the Midwest and Northeast for the last few weeks and our comps for the balance of the year are pretty easy. So I am extremely confident in where we stand in relation to our adjusted EPS guidance for the year.
But these are clearly unpredictable times. Our largest retail partners are starting to engage in more typical fashion entering May and we need that to continue. That means our sales and marketing efforts over the next six weeks have to do the same. While we remain highly encouraged, we also know we have a long road still ahead of us.
Speaking of the road ahead of us, I want to switch to my third theme and talk about the long term impact I see us likely coming out of this crisis and the steps we must take to further strengthen our business. In the early days of the crisis, there was a lot said and written by politicians and pundits about the businesses that were considered essential and those that were not. In the end, the real decision-makers on the question of essentiality turned out to be consumers.
From the New York Times and Wall Street Journal to nearly every major broadcasting cable network, stories were popping up almost daily about the resurgence in gardening. There were stories about victory gardens, story about millennial moms who had turn their backyards into science labs and stories about the comfort families were getting from having an outdoor activity that they could enjoy together. There were also stories about sharp increase in demand for edible plants and seed for vegetable gardens. Celebrities were sharing their gardening posts on social media and there was a spontaneous online conversation about gardening occurring among millions of people.
If we were nothing more than lucky, then these story lines will have merely helped us navigate a once-in-a-century crisis and deliver the financial results that we first outlined for you all back in November. And for that, we would be grateful. But as I said at the outset, I am not a big believer in luck. There is a human element to our business that is different from most other branded companies. Gardening isn't a chore for most people, it's a passion. It's a form of self-expression. It solves a basic human need to nurture. So we are for good. If we continue to exploit the intersection of talent and planning and culture that I mentioned earlier, then we will take the learnings from this year and use them to build a better business going forward.
I was among those CEOs who sometimes lost sleep at night, wondering whether legacy brands had what it took to remain relevant for the next generation of consumers. For me, that question has been answered. What you are seeing right now is that consumers want products they can rely on, products they believe provide value for their family, even if sometimes they come at a slightly higher cost. That means they will pay for innovation and I believe be less likely to experiment with private label and lower cost options.
Consumers want to do business with companies that share their values, companies who care about the planet and don't put the concerns of near term profits in front of treating their associates the right way. We ask ourselves a simple question almost every day, what would a good company do? And we strive to behave in a way that answers that question. We understand that consumers want to do business with companies that establish and take seriously a moral contract with the consumers and communities they serve.
Consumers also want flexibility. It will be a long time before the majority of our products are sold through e-commerce. But we have clearly seen this year that more consumers than ever want the ability to buy our products online, regardless of how they take delivery. There is no looking back. We must embrace this reality and continue to get better at it season-after-season-after-season.
Our consumer business has permanently changed over the past eight weeks. How and where we work will be different going forward. How we advertise will be different. There is increasingly less room for slow-to-develop focused-group testing advertising campaign. The winners will be those who can understand consumer sentiment in real-time and then adjust accordingly with both speed and precision.
I would like to believe that the issues that brought so many new people to gardening this year also represent a permanent change. If we manage this the right way, I believe we can impact the way consumers see our company, our brand and our category for the next decade. All of this also requires us to stick with our retail partners and talk about the right path going forward.
The POS numbers I mentioned in our soils business tell an interesting story. The growth in dollars year-to-date is nearly two times higher than units and that's because there's been little promotional activity in this category so far this year. Promotions have always been an important part of activating consumers in the lawn and garden category and that shouldn't change. But consumer activity so far this season is demonstrating there is a better balance out there to engage consumers in the category long term.
These trends reinforce the ideas we began sharing with our retail partners last season and that I have shared with you all in the past as well. We see an opportunity for more targeted promotions going forward, both in terms of scale and geography. We see local activation. That means more limited but localized weather-triggered promotions, coupled with local media buys in both traditional and social channels as a key to success going forward. It's too soon to know the answer here, but it's not too soon to ask the question.
I quickly want to pivot and talk about Hawthorne, where the idea of essentiality manifested itself in very different ways, but just as importantly. Throughout the COVID-19 crisis, agricultural products and activities were deemed essential. As a result, in most states, the legal cultivation, sale and use of cannabis was viewed the same way. What did it mean? It meant stronger demand, especially in March. It meant growers need to replenish their inventory, which meant our retail partners at Hawthorne needed us to deliver day-after-day and we did.
The state-authorized cannabis industry has evolved greatly over the past decade. Even with all the new money in this space, the entrepreneurial culture that created this industry is still alive and well. Within some circles, that culture questions whether Scotts Miracle-Gro, like so many other investors, were simply in this industry to make a quick buck. I think many of those questions have been answered too.
Two stories quickly made their way through this industry. One was the fact that our supply chain didn't miss a beat. The other was the way we were treating our frontline associates. In an industry that is still largely comprised of small family-run businesses, we showed that we are a family business too. It's just a family with 7,000 members.
For investors listening who think that kind of stuff doesn't matter, you are wrong. If you haven't been watching, the fast money players in the cannabis industry aren't doing so well these days. The survivors will be those with a commitment to quality and who demonstrate a commitment to understanding the nuances of the industry and its culture.
We have called up our sales guidance for Hawthorne this morning and we are clearly pleased with how the business is performing. We have no doubt we continue to gain share. And we are seeing the real-time benefits of our implementation of SAP and we are on pace to hit margin targets we shared with you at the beginning of the year. We also remain bullish about the opportunities for this category to expand in the quarter and years ahead.
My own view is that state budgets have been crushed over the past two months. There aren't many ways to create new revenue streams for state coffers, but allowing for a regulated and tax system for legal cannabis is definitely one of them, especially in states such as New Jersey that is approaching the issue in a very thoughtful way.
There's still a lot to cover this morning, but before I turn things over to Randy, I want to make one more comment. I want our shareholders to know that I put the quality of this team against any other company in America. It would take me 15 minutes to list all the people who deserve credit for the way we have navigated the challenges of this season. In my entire career, I have never seen anything like it. The creativity, agility, collaboration and passion has been humbling to watch from up close.
I have said in a recent town hall that if I could thank each of our 7,000 associates in person, I would. And I meant it. I know terms like world-class can sound cliche, but shareholders need to know and appreciate that the quality of this team is exactly that. Scotts Miracle-Gro won't just survive the challenges of 2020, but we will be a better company too.
With that, Randy, take it away.
Thanks Jim and good morning everyone. I am going to start by quickly running through the numbers, but mostly at a pretty high level. While our March 26 announcement was focused on anticipated topline results, I am sure most of you came pretty close to extrapolating the bottomline impact in your own modeling efforts. After I get through the quarter, I will share some thoughts related to our full year guidance. I also want to give you an update about how we are thinking about leverage, our current priorities for uses of cash and liquidity.
So for Q2, the one surprise versus our March 26 announcement was that Hawthorne sales growth of 60% was actually higher than we outlined in the press release. Frankly, we were seeing unprecedented shipment levels in those final days of the quarter and that pushed us higher as we crossed the finish line. While gammas in daily orders continue to be quite as high as they were during those last few days of March, we have seen the weekly shipments trend continue to be strong from March into April and also into early May.
The 11% growth in U.S. Consumer and the 16% company-wide growth was in line with what we had projected. The gross margin line, however, requires a good bit of explanation this quarter. The adjusted rate was 40%. That's up 20 basis points from last year. But there are quite a number of moving parts to explain.
Let's start with the impact of our Roundup commission. Beginning this year, we received 50% of the profit from Roundup beginning from the first dollar of earnings. In the past, we received nothing until the business earned $40 million. So for the full year, that's an incremental $20 million of Roundup commission. That change in the proper churn calculation and timing was worth $18 million for us in Q2 and impacted the gross margin rate by about 70 basis points.
Also, remember that last year in Q3, we received a reimbursement from Bayer of $20 million. While that money was not technically commission income as it relates to our agency agreement, it still flowed through the P&L in the same way. So the gross margin rate benefit we saw in Q2 will be more than offset by the lack in reimbursement payment in Q3 and the full year impact on margin from the various puts and takes will be zero.
As you know, we offset some pricing in 2020, about 75 basis points. Pricing plus volume-related benefits also collectively benefited the gross margin rate by about 100 basis points. All these margin improvements however were mostly offset by 160 basis points of unfavorable product mix and most of that was driven from Hawthorne's tremendous growth. To be clear, Hawthorne had a nice improvement in its gross margin rate during the quarter, up 340 basis points. However, since the Hawthorne business has a lower overall gross margin rate than the U.S. Consumer business, the unfavorable mix impact on the company-wide rate is still dilutive.
SG&A is pretty much in line with what we expected, up 9% in the quarter to $196 million. The biggest drivers were higher investments in Hawthorne, increased selling and marketing expenses in U.S. Consumer and slightly higher accruals to variable compensation. All of these were expected. What was not expected, however, were lower advertising rate versus a year ago. On slightly higher for 2020 media spending, we now expect at least a 15% increase in consumer impressions for gardening experience and also for our branded products.
We achieved some nice leverage in both major business segments, which allowed U.S. Consumer to report an increase in segment income of 17% to $373 million and Hawthorne reported a 148% increase to $26 million. Jim mentioned that Hawthorne remains on track for its margin targets with the operating margin rate exceeding 11% in Q2. And while the business is both slightly below our full year goal of 10% on a year-to-date basis, we are in line with where we hoped to be entering Q3.
Interest expense declined a little more than $6 million or $22.7 million. We are turning slightly better than we thought here due to both lower rates and lower borrowings. We have been very focused on divesting certain non-core businesses investments over the last two years to reduce our leverage, in retrospect, which were prudent decisions. Other non-operating income was about $3 million in the quarter, down from $250 million last year. We benefited in Q2 of 2019 from the divestiture of our stake in TruGreen. We excluded that impact from our adjusted earnings last year, however. So there's no year-over-year impact on adjusted EPS, which is the basis of our guidance.
Taking it down to the bottomline. We had GAAP earnings in the quarter of $249.8 million or $4.43 per share compared with $396.9 million or $7.10 per share. Adjusted earnings, which excludes restructuring, impairment or other onetime items, was $253.8 million or $4.50 per share. This compares with $203.2 million or $3.64 per share. The impact of the Roundup commission was worth about $0.25 for the quarter. But as I said earlier, that nets up in the year after Q3.
So let me switch gears and talk about guidance for a few moments. As you saw, we called up our sales guidance for Hawthorne to a range of 30% to 35% growth for the year and that's up from our original range of 12% to 15%. From day one, we were transparent in saying we deliberately adopted the original range to be conservative. I would be just as straightforward in telling you I never expected our revised guidance to be this high. As the business just keeps delivering, there are times when the team is doing everything they can do just to keep up.
Given the recent strength of Hawthorne, we have done a lot of work to evaluate the sustainability of our sales arm. It's clear the industry has recovered from the doldrum of 2018. Over the last few years, we have seen a lot of volatility. In 2017, growth was very strong. In 2018, our business was down by nearly 40%. In 2019, we drove a partial recovery. And in 2020, we have now seen a full recovery. In fact, over the 2017 to 2020 period, our sales CAGR is now in the high single digits, consistent with our growth expectations when we began building the Hawthorne business.
In addition, both wholesale and retail pricing trends are mostly positive across the country and these are key leading indicators for our business. We have also taken pricing in recent months and have seen no related slowdown in orders. Category rebound, market share gain, new innovative products and opening to new state marketplaces are all driving our growth. Our conclusion is the industry rebalance is now at a sustainable level and we expect to continue to outpace the growth with our strong competitive position. But the industry is generally volatile and we still expect our long term growth to be periodically choppy rather than consistent or linear.
The new Hawthorne range takes our company-wide sales growth range up to 6% to 8% versus originally 4% to 6%. We are reaffirming U.S. Consumer growth of 1% to 3%, which continues to be reasonable based on what I know right now. Going into May, our year-to-date shipments were up about 1%. However, our May U.S. comp is minus 13% and for June to September, the comp is positive mid single digits.
Gross margin is probably the other line in the P&L where I am most focused. Our original range was flat to plus 25 basis points. Consistent with our year-to-date results, I watch out here a segment mix. Both major segments stay on the current trajectory and our margin rate will become slightly negative for the year. But remember, even if that happens, Hawthorne's stand-alone margins are still moving in the right direction.
I am sure you are wondering about the current commodity environment. So let me address it also. Yes, we are seeing some interest right now in the lower commodities. However, so much of our cost is already locked in place, so it will have only negligible impact on the year. We are however taking advantage of this environment as we plan through 2021. We are aggressively locking in diesel and urea with recent hedges for next year well below our 2020 lot costs. This positive scenario right now where commodity costs are a headwind to 2021, but it's still too early to make that call right now.
Back to 2020, I know some of you will tell us we are being too conservative when it comes to our adjusted EPS guidance. Given the fact that we are one the few CPG companies still willing to provide guidance at all, I am perfectly comfortable to be conservative at this point. Is there a potential upside here? Obviously, there's potential to do more. But given the level of uncertainty in the world, the prudent round was to maintain our earnings guidance for a few more weeks. Similar to most years, we will update on our guidance at an investor conference in early June where we see about two-thirds of the U.S. Consumer POS group.
As for cash flow, we said we expected about $300 million of free cash flow for the year as operating cash flow minus CapEx. In the current global uncertainty around supply chain, we will likely make a decision to increase our inventories before year-end, although this plan does not reflect any specific concern that we have right now.
Jim mentioned the $30 million to $35 million of COVID-related expenses that we are likely to incur for the year. We intend to exclude those from our adjusted EPS calculation and from our leverage ratio. That's consistent with the onetime nonrecurring nature of these costs and our effort of transparency around the impacts of COVID are at this time. In addition, this treatment is consistent with SEC guidance and disclosures provided by similar companies.
However, that's still cash out the door. It's too early to know whether our free cash flow guidance will hold, but I want it to be on the radar before next update in June. Speaking of cash flow, I also want to update you on our thoughts about uses of cash. As we said on our March 26 press release, we have indefinitely suspended any share repurchase activity. This has nothing to do with our longer term philosophy about returning cash to shareholders. Also it has nothing to do with our confidence in the business. Rather, this is about giving us a little more flexibility as we navigate the pandemic.
Right now, leverage is 3.1 times. I have said multiple times that I am comfortable managing the balance sheet at 3.5 times and that has not changed. But the worst thing that happens when our leverage falls closer to three times for a few quarters, I am okay with that and I am sure most of our shareholders are too. I want to be unequivocal in stating that we have very little concern about our liquidity. In this environment, there's also nothing wrong with a bias or a slightly more conservative balance sheet.
Before I close, I want to say that I am extremely comfortable with where we are right now financially, extremely pleased with how we are operating the business and extremely proud to be part of this organization. Jim said in his remarks that he does not believe in luck. All of us here recognize how well our business is performing in the current crisis and we are tremendously very strong. So Jim is right. This is not luck. The advanced planning, the team's focus and the commitment of our associates are why we are in such a unique position.
And with that, thank you for your attention. And let's open things up to your questions.
[Operator Instructions] We will take our first question from Joe Altobello with Raymond James.
Great. Hi guys. Good morning. I just wanted to start with Hawthorne. And obviously, very strong topline, margins are improving. But I am a little surprised you didn't see better margins this quarter or maybe better margins for this year. Maybe help us understand what's going on in that business in terms of pricing increases, et cetera?
Yes. Joe, this is Randy. I will take this one. We are actually pacing ahead of where we thought we would be at this point. So we are very satisfied. We did back off on some of the promotions early in Q2. And we took some pricing increases on certain products, a little bit in February and also in March. So when you look at our margin rate improvement, both gross margin rate and operating margin rate, the acceleration from Q1 into January and then February and then March and then April, the trend is really positive. And we are definitely on track to reach our 10% operating margin guidance for the year. We could do a little bit better, but I am really pleased with the way things are going right now.
Yes. I guess that's where I was going, Randy, was the topline is now 30% to 35% growth versus what we are seeing is 10%. That's where I was trying to get at. That's all. Just I guess secondly, in terms of your channel. You mentioned earlier, Jim, I think that channels like hardware have outperformed some of your larger retail partners. So you have seen a bit of a switch recently. Maybe we can get a little bit more color on what you are seeing in April and early May in the DIY channel in the category?
I think they are getting their heads back in the game. They have taken it pretty seriously, this issue of being responsible as an essential player. And I think the crowd's, protecting their associates, protecting their customers. But if you look at the orders, just the last few days, primarily driven by our biggest quarters by far we have ever had on any single days. They are largely coming from our largest customers.
So I would say they are getting their ammo base loaded up, ready to play in a serious way that is happening right now. So I think, Mike, I don't know what you feel. We are actually having this conversation. We are all like scattered across the room. So I don't know how you feel, Mike, but I think that --
Yes. They are expanding their store hours back because they had consolidated that and we are starting to see more garden doors open up as they follow the cases across the country. But they were really very sensitive about the number of people in the store and keeping their essential status, which it's easier for hardware, the smaller stores, smaller footprints to react to that.
Got it. Okay. Thank you guys.
Thank you. I hope you are well, dude.
You too. Thank you.
The next question comes from William Reuter with Bank of America.
Hi. This is Mary on for Bill. Thanks for taking my question. So my first just on your customer base. It seems most are considered essential. But given that it does vary by region, do you have any that are closed or were closed for a period of time?
So there were no specific retailers that come to mind that jump out. I think people are probably familiar with what happened in Michigan and also in Vermont. And we also saw some curbside pickup in Canada as well. So if you look at the POS in those geographies, they were down versus everything else in Michigan and Vermont. Interestingly, we are not seeing the same thing in Canada. So our POS there has actually ticked up despite what's going on.
But to specifically answer your question, there aren't any retailers that come to mind that are closed. It's good stand out, right?
Yes. It's hard to hear in this room. So Jim Hagedorn here. Look, when Vermont got tight, there was still snow on the ground when that happened and had nothing to do with us. It happened to do with sort of general merchandise at Walmart and the Governor up there. And the ex-Governor of Vermont's on our Board. So I am pretty familiar with what occurred there.
And in Michigan, Whitmer backed off that in about two weeks. But again, it was still extremely early in the season. And so it really didn't have that big an effect on us. And so the gardening business in Vermont is great. I mean that's where Karli and I are domiciled right now. And the Michigan numbers also look good.
So those were the areas that I think at the height of the sort of questions of essentiality, I think it was Vermont and Michigan that got tight and started closing up departments. Now a lot of the retailers just modified their merchandising setup, given the importance of lawn and garden to what was happening. And even if they closed their garden doors, they brought back into the main part of the store gardening products.
So it was not quite as impactful to us based on merchandising decisions that retailers made in order to sort of protect the business. And that, I think, happened without any sort of compliance issues in those states.
And it's also difficult to tease apart, like Jim said, weather versus the impact of COVID. But if you look at the city of Detroit and compare it to the city of Cleveland, our year-to-date POS in both of those cities is nearly identical and just down a couple of points as we sit here today. So again, difficult to tell. It definitely wasn't helpful. But I think credit goes out to the people working in the stores. They were trying to bring the products out to the people and --
I think at the end of the day, the crisis has caused people to make sort of fundamental decisions about how they spend their time and that's been good for us. It hasn't changed the weather. And so I think for those of us, for my first time in a couple of months here in Ohio, people are saying it's been kind of wet and dewy. It's been cool in Vermont, where I have been. And so if you look at Northeast sales, I don't know if they are down, but they are not up for sure.
And this is a good thing for us because the sort of strength of the business is kind of everywhere, but the Northeast, if you include kind of West here to Ohio. And the coolness, I think, is going to act as something of a buffer that during this sort of debate over essentiality, which I think made people nervous, especially people who are running retail companies, large footprint retail companies.
This gave us time where the season didn't pass us by and it just seems to me looking at the weather that this is going to result in a somewhat extended season, which is exactly what I think we were kind of hoping for in that region, especially with the dominance of big box in up there. So I think it's actually really good for us.
Got it. Thank you And then just one other, particularly on some of your small independent customers. Have there been any delay in payments? Or are there any concerns with regards to your receivables?
No. Our payment terms are such that we typically get paid early to mid-June. But at this point, we are not seeing any kind of late pay. And even when you think about Hawthorne, which is much more fragmented group of customers, at this point we don't have any issues either. So definitely something we are keeping our eye on and we are on top of, but we haven't seen anything yet that would give us a lot of concern other than this, the general need to stay on top of it.
Got it. Thank you so much.
Our next question comes from Bill Chappell with SunTrust.
Thanks. Good morning. I hope you and your families are well.
Thanks Bill. Good to hear your voice, dude.
It's nice to hear yours too. Two questions. So one, help me understand on the Hawthorne business, why the business surged kind of in March and it doesn't seem like it was all just stockpiling and it continued into April. I say that you don't sell actual cannabis. And so I understand the run on that. But you are selling supplies that will help cannabis production over the next like six, nine, 12 months. So I am trying to understand why there was that surge? And why it sustained into April and May.
When this whole thing started, I will let Chris answer most of the question. I just want to, this is the question that I ask kind of like as we were, I guess this was probably beginning of April. And so I have made a few friends in the industry by just traveling with Chris and some of his team. And so this question is, where are these sales going?
By the way, the sales have been great the entire time. It's not just been like one month. We were briefing members of the Board up yesterday and Mike just said, Chris and sales reports are just like a [indiscernible] broken record. It just continues to be positive. So it's not like it was one month. But as we saw numbers just kind of go bananas, I said, let's call some of our friends up that own retail channels, which we did and super connected guy, a guy who doesn't hear much from me, but he's got my number in his iPhone.
So as soon as I call him, he picked up and he said, "Holy mackerel, dude, like I need product bad." So we had thought maybe it's like stocking up kind of figuring the demand was going to come and that maybe people couldn't ship, which I think has been a problem in the industry, not with us, as some people had COVID in some of their warehouses, some of our competitors.
But he said, "Dude, everything, it's going. I am low on product. It's been a pain what's happening here." And I think just a lot of retailers just upped their production. A lot of people, what we call traditional growers reentered the space, especially in California and just needed product. And a lot of it was nutrients and grow media, which are the consumable side of the business, which is really nice to see.
I don't know, Chris, where do you go from this. But it's not flu.
Yes. So I mean, I am not sure how much meat you left on that question.
Sorry. My bad, dude.
Hi Bill, it's Chris. I think everything that Jim said is correct. There was an element of pantry loadings. I think that was really something we experienced kind of second, third week in March when we saw pretty extreme spikes in volume that I do think had something to do with pantry loading as people were concerned that our service levels wouldn't be able to keep up. Now luckily, they have been and I can't give enough credit to the supply chain team for Hawthorne and the support we get from Scotts. Those guys have done a phenomenal job and battled through some tough conditions.
But as Jim was alluding to, we joked when all this started, not that it's a laughing matter, but you got to find levity where you can that what were people going to do when quarantine hit the whole country is they are going to sit at home and smoke pot in garden. And I think in all seriousness, there's a lot of truth in that statement. So demand for the kind of end-consumable product clearly has gone up. We have seen that both anecdotally and in data that we have gathered through the industry. So just massive surge in demand for the end product has driven surge downstream to us.
Now that increase in demand appears to have had been pretty sticky. Certainly, it's carried through until now and we are doing everything we can to keep up. And that was talked about in our reported remarks at the top of the call that the supply chain guys are running hard right now. We are shipping more out the door at Hawthorne than we ever have before.
It just speaks to the benefits of SAP, the benefits of further integration with Scotts and their supply chain and just the quality of the people that we have top to bottom within Hawthorne and the team that I am lucky enough to get to be part of. But yes, I think there's a little bit of pantry loading. I think there's a lot of just really high demand for cannabis as this quarantine continues to drive new consumer behavior.
Great. I appreciate the astonished as part of the response. It does give me a sense of normalcy on this call, so I do appreciate it. Just switching real quickly to the consumer business. I have always heard or thought that the garden season starts in the South at Easter and North on Mother's Day. So it would imply that we still really have kind of a big part of the season in front of us. And so how much, if any, is pantry loading in the Northern half that you have already seen? Or how much of it is really, it seems like May has set up fairly well with most of your retailers now really open. Everybody is still working from home, school is out. It seems like it's, other than weather, which it's found on the North half and it sounds [indiscernible]. Now is that a fair way to look at it?
Yes. I think what we are seeing though, Bill, is in the Southern markets because gardening is so hot, the South and the West are over-indexing right now. And the North is just getting started. We saw a little bit of pantry loading back at the end of March, but North is now just waking up and we have seen some really good results even in New York last week. And your thoughts on Mother's Day and beyond for the North, I have been around this business a long time. I have seen where April has been bad in the North and then they come back with the storm. So we are kind of set up that the South and West are over-indexing and the North is going to come on strong. We are seeing that trend right now. And I think it will go through the end of June in the North.
Great. Well, thank you. Stay safe.
Thanks dude.
Our next question comes from Eric Bosshard with Cleveland Research.
Good morning.
Hi dude.
Two things. First of all, in terms of the guidance for consumer, holding that up 1% to 3%, knowing where you sit now through March to April growth through the first handful days of May. I was just curious in why leave that number where it is rather than raise it to reflect what you have seen. And then my second question is, if you could just parse the last five or six weeks, you talked about some record $100 million plus weeks and record days of orders and also the April number down 8%, I think you said. It feels like there's some different periods within that. And so curious if you could give us a little bit of color on what the last two weeks over the last six weeks, each of those periods might have looked like. Those two things would be helpful. Thanks.
Sure. Eric, this is Randy again. 1% to 3% was our original guidance. And I can tell you I feel a lot better today than I did a week ago. But this business can be incredibly volatile and seasonal. And I would remind you, a couple of years ago, we were down 12%, I think, year-to-date at this point of the year on this Q2 earnings call and we ended up back to flat. So at this point, there's still half of the season ahead of us. And mid-June, we will have two-thirds of the year complete. We still have a third ahead of us and we will have a lot more insight and confidence at that point. But I will say that sitting here today and we are confident than I would have been a week ago or a couple of weeks ago and May starting out extremely well, like Mike Lukemire pointed out. So see you in a month.
The only thing, Hagedorn here, that I would say, Eric, is that Randy will be only like a pretty serious dude. And I can just tell you that the sales over like last week have been like pretty crazy. I mean, I had to and so you might just comment on it, Randy. It's came in this morning, it's a joke. Calm down son, like remember, he is a CFO, but kind of what you are seeing in regard to this volatility, but how positive it is right now.
Yes. Well the reason why I was enthusiastic this morning is, I believe this is true and we have it validated, but I think yesterday, it was the biggest order day for U.S. Consumer that we have ever seen. So it wasn't the biggest, it's darn near the biggest and that gives me that a lot of, I guess, confidence that the retailers are going to fit in there. We probably won't see the level of promotional activity that we have seen in years past, but people are definitely trying to sell product.
Consumers want to get out. They want to get out in the yard. It's good for their physical health. It's definitely good for their mental health. And I think the season starts to break here in the Midwest and Northeast where we really haven't seen that much activity yet. It just gives me even more confidence. So I am feeling good about that.
The other thing I would point out, though, is POS, trying to reconcile POS dollars to our shipments is a bit complicated as well. So by having less promotions in the month of April, our POS numbers are inflated in dollars versus units. And eventually, everything comes back to units and inventories at retail and our shipments and the POS dollars, I will have to reconcile to a degree. But keep that in mind as well, but I am feeling really good.
Kind of two interesting stories there. Number one, we went into this call as we prepped yesterday. We just said there's no way somebody is knocking us off of our stance on holding fast with the numbers, even if people said to us, dude, how can you sandbag that bad? I think compared to what's happening to other companies and just the general environment out there, I think it's a correct place for us to not get knocked off our guidance at the moment. The fact that we are maintaining it, even if it's a little bit not so credible based on the positivity of the business. I think just given what we know a few weeks to sort of get smarter is probably, I would say bear with us on that. I don't know what else I can say. But was there a part two?
Yes. The second part was --
Hold on. I just came back to see, Eric, is this issue that Randy was talking about is dollar volume versus unit volume. This is one of the things that we are seeing, that we are trying to sort of talk coherently to our retail partners about, which is with the almost complete lack of promotion that we would normally be seeing this time of year, sales are really good. That doesn't mean that promotion isn't important, but it does mean that as we look back on the sort of so-called Black Friday events that are not like Christmas as the one day, but sort of two or three major promotions throughout a season that take a lot of our promotional dollars, what we have seen is they are pretty early.
The last few years, they have been up against kind of crappy weather. And more and more, we have been thinking they could be much more productive in sort of this rifle shot that we talked about in the script, which is that promote when certain products are in calendar in areas where the weather is good and the inventory is in the stores. And we have been playing with that with the retailers last year to see if we can increase the effectiveness of these promotions and not spend as much money blindly, especially in this shitty weather as we have seen in the past.
And so we felt pretty strongly coming out of last season that the demonstrations we did with them show that we can produce equivalent results in a much more targeted way. And so those discussions are going to happen and that's what we were alluding to. And I am hoping that we will find retailers much more willing to sort of, because foregoing Black Friday events for retailers, it's scary. It's how they get customers in. If they get customers in, they tend to be sticky through the season.
Because it didn't happen this year and by definition, we are doing much more targeted work and it's not really them. It's us doing that work this year. I think we have got a lot more data to talk about next year. And so I don't know what it means. Randy is talking about dollars versus units. I think we are going to end up the year with a sort of much better dollar story and much better margin story on both sides, on our side and their side, which we then have to say, okay, what does that mean next year and beyond.
Okay. That's helpful. The other question I wanted to ask is your business historically has set a below average business in terms of online penetration relative to what Depot and Lowe's do in other categories. That's changing this year, maybe. As you look to the future, does it matter to you if more of this is done online? Do you have to run the business differently? Does it change the profit opportunity? How does this business look different if it becomes more meaningfully online ordered and executed?
I will mostly hand that to Mike because I don't think it's a maybe. I think it's for sure. We don't talk a lot about Amazon. And relative to our entire business, it's not that big. Amazon has been an important partner to us this year. And I think we have been an important partner to them. So I think that there was, I don't know. I have been pretty negative on Amazon, at least from lawn and garden point of view that kind of their attitude.
I think this is one where they have seen lawn and garden is important. They have seen our ability to deliver. We help them pretty hard. They needed bottles of stuff to convert bulk cleaners and stuff for their warehouses and they reached out to a bunch of vendors to help, if they could, with packaging and we were able to put Ortho packaging their direction. But I think so there at Amazon, I think, a much higher respect for the power of lawn and garden this time of year.
And within our conventional retailers, just record weeks after weeks that lawn and garden, I don't know. I will probably screw this number up. But I think the number is like 15% of our lawn fertilizer business is going out online now. And a lot of our retailer business is drop-ship business and that's a model issue that Mike can talk better about than I can, where we are shipping directly to consumers for even our traditional retailers.
But I think there's no doubt that the online business will represent a larger percent of our overall business this year. And I think that doesn't change. I think that for sure, consumers are just pushing a button and it shows up at their house.
So Mike, I don't know, what do you think it means to the business? And what about margins?
Well, I think the margins will improve for us and the retailer. We are building the capability of the supply chain that we built years ago with a home center to be able to drop-ship and it's an acceleration, in my mind, five to 10 years where we thought e-commerce would be. And I think it will stay. I think it will help the stores with their assortments to be more efficient for curbside pickup and delivery. And we will be able to provide that supply chain network that they are not building warehouses.
From our existing warehouses, we are transitioning to a direct-to-consumer capability using the same inventory. It will be more efficient. And we will be able to provide that for any platform out there. So to me, it's actually taking us where we thought we would be in five to 10 years. I think it's here now. I think it's a great way to do business. And I think we are the perfect ones to be able to do it nationally in lawn and garden to support a retail platform or even our own platform.
And then this is Randy again. I would add just to put some numbers around this. Our Amazon business is about the same size as our online business for our largest retailers. So that's about the same. And then our own SMD sites are much smaller, but growing fast as well.
When we think about our market share, we actually have the highest market share in the channel where consumers buy online and then pick up in the store. I think that logically makes sense when you think about people searching online and playing ahead, but they are naturally going to gravitate to national brands and we have a national fulfillment.
So I think that, that's good for us and that's good for our large retailers as well. And we have the lowest share, by far, in trying to just sell online through our own website. But that's where you might see some smaller competitors trying to compete. But I feel really good about our competitive position and our ability to work across all channels and with all those customers and help them win too.
Great. Thank you very much.
We will take our next question from Carla Casella with JPMorgan.
This is Sarah Clark, on for Carla Casella. Apologies if this is already said. We had to hop on a little bit late. But have you had to pay any of your employees bonus payments or incurred any additional costs for pooling or employee management costs or any additional expenses due to COVID? Can you just talk a little bit about that and what you are seeing in terms of transportation costs?
Sure, Sarah. This is Randy again. So this was info provided earlier. But just to reiterate, we spent about $4 million through the end of March. Our full year forecast is in a range of $30 million to $35 million. And the way I would break that down is the first $25 million is premium pay for our associates who are working in stores or working in DCs and warehouses or factories as well. And then about the next $5 million is an outlook for incremental cleaning and maintenance costs.
And then beyond that, we plan to spend maybe $4 million to $5 million in face shields that we are manufacturing in our Temecula, California facility and the start-up costs for that and then the cost to manufacture and then giving all those pieces of equipment away to various places across the country as an act of goodwill. So all that combined is how we will get into our $30 million to $35 million estimate. And I especially feel good about the last part with the $5 million for the face shields, but also the premium pay. I think we are treating our associates extremely well.
And the rate were that adjusted.
Yes.
[indiscernible]. I am sorry.
And our expectation and clearly, our plan is to adjust that out given the onetime nature of all that. And we have run that by our auditors and they are we are very comfortable with that. And we have talked to our banks as well for leverage ratio. So everybody understands and it's consistent with what we are doing.
Of course. Thank you for that cost breakdown. That was really helpful. Have you disclosed what percent of your costs are fixed versus variable?
No, we haven't. I can tell you, the way we plan is, on the way up, we don't gain a lot of absorption just because we plan for certain sales levels. I will tell you on the way down, it is a lot more punitive. So we probably, it's hard to use a very good rule of thumb. But I would say at this point in the year, as we lose sales, we probably will lose 10% to 15% of margin on the way down if we don't hit our sales expectations. So I don't know if we provide that specifically in the past, but I think that's a reasonable rule of thumb.
Okay. Helpful. Thank you. And then one more from me. You highlighted that you have seen continued strength in April. But we are just wondering if any of this quarter's strength maybe pull forward from next quarter as people shelter in place and look to buy products than what you were mentioning on the Hawthorne side. So any commentary around that?
Well, I think we have addressed the Hawthorne piece pretty thoroughly already. And on the consumer piece, time will tell. I know that consumers are gardening more than they have in the past. We have research, I would say, 30% of our gardening consumers this year are either new or lapsed consumers. So I think that's good for the long term health of the business. And we will see, but we are really confident about our outlook for this year and think why that's going to stick as we look beyond 2020.
Awesome. Thank you.
Lauren, it's Jim King here. Let's just, in the interest of time, we will stick it to or let's have just one more question and then I can follow-up with people offline later. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Alex Maroccia with Berenberg.
Hi. Good morning guys. Thank you for taking my question. Your guidance implies your thoughts on continue doing incredibly well, but the financial issues we have seen among some of the larger producers that you alluded to earlier. Can you pinpoint where you are seeing the biggest growth there in terms of geographies such as legacy producer size?
Yes. This is Chris. So we are seeing growth really across the board. It's a mix of some of our more kind of legacy big states. California is up pretty significantly over 75%. In Michigan, which we have talked to you guys about in the past and our second biggest state, we are seeing growth in Michigan over 100% year-over-year.
But then you have also got newer states in there. Florida, Alabama are both up significantly above average. Oklahoma is up over 230%. So we are seeing strong growth really across the country. Like I said, a combination of our more established markets like California, Michigan, Colorado along with newer states.
As far as the customer mix, Jim has talked a little bit about this earlier, but our visibility is limited once we go past the retail level. If you look at the sizes of some of the SKUs that we are selling, our inference is that we are seeing growth, both among the large-scale multi-state operators and large commercial growers as well as some of the more traditional smaller-format growers.
Okay. It makes sense to me. And second question is a clarification on the accounts receivable mentioned earlier. You mentioned June payment terms. But I am just asking because AR is at its highest as a percentage of sales since Q2 2017. You think this is a unique phenomenon to 2020's receivables cadence due to the surge in March?
Well, clearly, AR is up when we sell more. And like I said earlier, we don't have any specific issues yet with customers paying late, something we are on top of. Our orders to cash team is very much on top of that. But at this point, we haven't seen any cracks at all. And I guess, we will see. But it's not a big watch out. It's a concern on top of, but it's not a huge concern.
All right. Great. Thank you guys. Stay safe out there.
Thank you.
All right. I am going to jump back in here. We are going to wrap up with the call today. I know there are some folks that may still want to ask questions. So a couple of ways to reach me. You can call me directly at (937)-578-5622 and we will set up a time to follow-up or send me an email at jim.king@scotts.com. And just as a reminder, Randy and I will be participating in the William Blair event on June 9 and we will probably have a communication out prior to that event. So thanks everybody for joining us today and be well, be safe. Thanks.
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