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Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2021-Q4

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Operator

Good morning. My name is Elena, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to CT REIT's Q4 2021 Earnings Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]The speakers on the call today are Ken Silver, Chief Executive Officer of CT REIT; Kevin Salsberg, President and Chief Operating Officer of CT REIT; and Lesley Gibson, Chief Financial Officer of CT REIT.Today's discussion may include forward-looking statements. Such statements are based on management's assumptions and beliefs. These forward-looking statements are subject to uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements.Please see CT REIT's public filings for a discussion of these risk factors, which are included in their 2021 MD&A and 2021 AIF, which can be found on CT REIT's website and on SEDAR.I will now turn the call over to Ken Silver, Chief Executive Officer of CT REIT. Ken?

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Kenneth Silver
CEO & Trustee

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. We're very pleased to welcome you to CT REIT's fourth quarter 2021 investor conference call. This time a year ago, we were anxiously waiting the rollout of vaccines and the expected end of the pandemic. While Canada's vaccination program has indeed been successful, the coronavirus presented us all with more twists and turns and 2021 proved to be another challenging year. Yet again, we look forward to spring and much hoped for immediate return to normal.From a business perspective and notwithstanding the ongoing pandemic-related challenges, CT REIT once again delivered a healthy set of results in Q4 and for the full year in 2021, with strong growth in AFFO per unit, continued high occupancy rates, attractive new investments and a growing pipeline of developments and another distribution increase, our eighth since our IPO and third since the start of the pandemic. All supported by a strong balance sheet and credit metrics.As Kevin and Lesley will detail in a few moments, our business model focused on net lease assets with investment-grade tenants and long lease terms and a growing pipeline of investments, combined with conservative financial management provides a compelling combination of growth and resilience.In 2021, we began to extend leases with Canadian Tire, providing continuing annual rent escalations and further visibility to extremely low lease turnover. This efficient model provides ongoing growth in cash flows and largely avoids temporary vacancy and leasing CapEx. We kicked off 2022 with another successful, unsecured debt offering, redeeming a series of bonds maturing later in the year. With no additional significant debt maturities until 2024 and a weighted average term on our debt of 7.2 years, we're pleased with how well insulated we are from rising interest rates.As we have since our IPO, we continue to build on this extremely healthy core portfolio with incremental investments, which have totaled in excess of $2 billion. Yesterday, we announced the development of a new 350,000 square foot distribution center on lands we acquired a few years ago from the City of Calgary adjacent to 2 distribution centers we previously acquired, the larger of the 2 with direct access to the CP intermodal yard. This development will complete the build-out of this block adjacent to the rail yard, making what we call the Dufferin District, a key logistics hub.Notably, we will be building it to a net-zero of standard, an important step forward on our emerging ESG path. With respect to our joint venture with Oxford Properties on Canada Square, Yonge and Eglinton in Toronto, we continue to make progress towards an expected start of Phase 1 of the redevelopment in 2023 following completion of the Eglinton Crosstown LRT and received a requisite municipal approvals. On the municipal front, we have received input from the city and feedback on our application from the extensive public consultation process, which Oxford led over the course of 2021.Overall, we anticipate delivering an even more compelling mixed-use, transit-oriented and sustainable development with significant community benefits on one of the most important crossroads in the city of Toronto. Back in December, our Board announced the appointment of Kevin Salsberg as President and CEO of the REIT upon my retirement at the end of May. While this is not my last opportunity to address you, I do just want to remark that my retirement reflects my absolute confidence in where the REIT is positioned today and going forward as well as in Kevin, Lesley and the rest of the CT REIT team to deliver on its promise.With that, I will now turn the call over to Kevin and Lesley before we ask the operator to open it up for your questions. Kevin?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

Thanks, Ken, and good morning. As highlighted in our press release yesterday, we are pleased to announce 4 new investments this quarter, totaling $71 million. These new projects include the expansion of 2 existing Canadian Tire stores in Bedford and Sydney, Nova Scotia, the vend-in of land and development of a new Canadian Tire store in Sainte-Catherine-de-la-Jacques-Cartier, Quebec, which is a bedroom community located just outside Quebec City.And finally, the development of a new distribution center in Calgary, Alberta to be built to net-zero standards. These 4 investments represent approximately 459,000 square feet of incremental gross leasable area and are expected to earn a weighted average going-in cap rate of approximately 6.18% upon completion.I would be remiss if I didn't take the opportunity to speak a little further about one of these new investments. The new 350,000 square foot Calgary BC development, our first net-zero project. CT REIT remains committed to improving our sustainability efforts and reducing our carbon footprint, and this project represents an opportunity for us to advance our progress towards those goals. Net-zero will be achieved through the implementation of an improved building envelope and increased air tightness along with upgraded mechanical and electrical systems in the form of in-ground geothermal systems and rooftop mounted solar voltaics.Once constructed, our new building will produce as much energy as it consumes on an annual basis and will have no on-site combustion and therefore, 0 reliance on fossil fuels. Built adjacent to our existing Calgary industrial properties, this development will be a great complement to our existing Dufferin District assets and is a project that we are proud to announce to you here today. With respect to the fourth quarter, we invested $90 million in previously disclosed investments which included 2 third-party acquisitions of existing Canadian Tire stores in Airdrie, Alberta and Beauport, Quebec. The vend-in of an existing Canadian Tire store and Canadian Tire Gas plus gas bar in Goderich, Ontario, the expansion of 3 existing Canadian Tire stores in Cochrane and Kenora, Ontario as well as Alma, Quebec; the development of a third-party pads at 5 existing properties; and finally, the third-party acquisition of a Walmart Supercenter anchored property in Halifax, Nova Scotia. These investments added approximately 400,000 square feet of incremental GLA in the quarter.We also completed agreements with CTC to extend the leases related to 8 Canadian Tire stores, bringing the total number of Canadian Tire store and distribution center lease extensions to 24 for the full year. These lease extensions have a cumulative effect of increasing our weighted average lease term for the portfolio by a total of just over 0.7 years.At year-end, CT REIT had 26 properties that were at various stages of development. These projects represent a total committed investment of approximately $353 million upon completion, $79 million of which has already been spent and $159 million of which we anticipate will be spent in the next 12 months.Upon completion, these projects will add a total incremental gross leasable area of approximately 1.37 million square feet to the portfolio, 71% of which has been pre-leased and nearly half of which consists of development related to industrial assets. Over the course of 2021, we nearly doubled our development pipeline, invested approximately $113 million in completed projects and ongoing development and grew the portfolio by approximately 366,000 square feet.At year-end, CT REIT's occupancy rate was 99.3%, which was in line with occupancy levels both in Q4 2020 as well as the prior quarter.And with that, I will turn it over to Lesley to review our financial results.

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Lesley Patricia Gibson
Senior VP & CFO

Thanks, Kevin, and good morning, everyone. As Ken noted, we are very pleased with the strong fourth quarter and full year results delivered by CT REIT. Our rent collections are back to pre-pandemic levels, and yet again this quarter, we recorded no bad debt expense.In the quarter, we reported AFFO per unit on a diluted basis of $0.275, an increase of 5.8% compared to Q4 of 2020. This brings the full year diluted AFFO per unit to $1.104 representing growth of 7.0% versus 2020. Additionally, diluted FFO per unit in the quarter increased by 4.1% to $0.308 compared to $0.296 in Q4 of 2020.On a full year basis, 2020 diluted FFO per unit increased by 4.8% to $1.238. Net operating income was $100.9 million for the quarter, an increase of 4.2% or $4.1 million compared to Q4 2020. This NOI growth was comprised primarily of 2.4% growth on a same-store basis and 2.5% growth on a same-property basis.Full year reported NOI was $401 million, which was a 5.1% increase over $382 million in 2020. Same-store NOI for the quarter grew by $2.3 million or 2.4%, primarily as a result of contractual annual rent escalations contributing nearly $1.6 million, including the 1.5% average rent escalations included in the Canadian Tire leases. And compared to prior year, lower expected credit losses of $0.5 million for tenants due to the improving business environment.For Q4 2021, adjusted G&A expenses as a percent of property revenue were 2.9%, which is slightly higher than the 2.5% in Q4 2020. The increase was driven by the acceleration of the amortization of long-term compensation costs related to our CEO transition. This increased cost run rate will continue through Q2 of this year until Ken's retirement.The REIT recorded a fair value increase of $53.3 million on our investment properties for the fourth quarter of 2021. The increase in the fair value adjustment on investment properties was mainly driven by changes to investment metrics within the portfolio based on recent market activity. Our AFFO payout ratio decreased to 76.4% compared to 77.3% for the same period in 2020, despite having increased distributions 4.5% in July of last year.Turning now to the balance sheet. Our debt metrics remain solid with interest coverage ratio increasing to 3.72x in Q4 2021 compared to 3.50x for the fourth quarter of 2020. The increase in interest coverage ratio is primarily due to both an increase in our debenture interest cost and a growth in EBIT fair value.CT REIT's indebtedness ratio has also improved and was 41.2% at December 31, 2021 compared to 42.9% a year ago. The decrease in the ratio was primarily due to increases in the fair value adjustments made to the portfolio throughout 2021 as well as the REIT's 2021 acquisition intensification and development activities exceeding the growth in our total indebtedness.Subsequent to quarter end, CT REIT completed the issuance on a private placement basis of $250 million of unsecured debentures at a rate of 3.029% for a 7-year term maturing in February 2029. In conjunction with the offering, we took the opportunity to early redeem the $150 million of debentures originally scheduled to mature in June 2022 and incurred a $744,000 prepayment penalty for the early redemption.With this early refinancing completed, we have no further debentures scheduled to mature until 2024, taking the majority of our refinancing risk off the table for the rest of this year in what has thus far proved to be a more volatile market.Pro forma, these transactions serve to increase CT REIT's weighted average term to maturity to 7.2 years from 6.8 years. In addition, with $294 million available through our committed credit facilities and $4 million cash on hand, we continue to maintain a strong and liquid position.And with that, I will turn the call back to the operator for any questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Himanshu Gupta with Scotiabank.

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Himanshu Gupta
Analyst

So just on the Calgary distribution center. Can you provide some more color, please? Cost-to-build rents you're underwriting? And what could development yields look like?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

We don't generally provide specific project guidance, Himanshu, but order of magnitude, probably roughly $40 million for the project. The interesting thing about industrial rents is they increase every quarter. So we have some good data points in terms of recent comps, but those seem to be outdated every time we look to each new lease deal that's completed in the market. Vacancy rates obviously going way down across most large industrial markets throughout the country, Calgary being one of them.So we feel pretty good about where we pegged the rents in our pro forma relative to where we may end up as we go through the process of taking it to market and getting it leased up.

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Himanshu Gupta
Analyst

Okay. And will this be done on circulated basis? Or this will be occupied by Canadian Tire?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

As of right now, it will be done on a speculative basis. Canadian Tire is currently evaluating their space requirements related to their supply chain in Western Canada, but as of now have not made any commitments to the facility.

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Himanshu Gupta
Analyst

Okay. And then to get to net-zero standards, is there any incremental cost in the buildouts? And do you think this is more of a requirement from the potential tenant like the property will appeal more if it is on net-zero basis?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

So yes, absolutely, there is an incremental cost running roughly around 20% premium over building to an enhanced industrial spec today. But we think that tenants will pay a premium. There's a lot of larger tenants out there who have their own sustainability goals and just also based on the health of the industrial investment market and where we're seeing cap rates project makes a lot of sense for us.

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Himanshu Gupta
Analyst

Got it. And then just to clarify, this is the only land parcel you are sitting on as with the industrial development is concerned. So you should not expect more of these coming anytime soon?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

I would say this is the only land industrial parcels in our portfolio right now.

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Himanshu Gupta
Analyst

Okay. Got it. Okay. And then maybe just sticking to Calgary industrial. I think the 11 Dufferin Place SE lease expiry is coming due this year. Any color there?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

No color there at this point. We are in early discussions with the tenant whose lease is coming up. To remind the audience, it's about 100,000 square feet, midyear lease expiry. But again, based on the health of the industrial market, we are optimistic about our opportunities there.

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Himanshu Gupta
Analyst

Got it. Okay. And maybe just a final question from my side. I mean fair value gains this quarter. I mean, what are you seeing in the private market transactions? And any color why the IFRS, the discount rate was reduced?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

I mean we continue to see private capital chase deals. The transaction volume heading into the end of the year last year was significantly elevated relative to where we started '21, which was elevated relative to 2020. So retail, as we talked about before, net lease assets, strong investments, great covenants. Long-term leases are very much in favor. We saw it in the Cap rate survey that CBRE put out. Additionally, we had some movement in our industrial asset valuations. So the 2 contributed to the decline in the discount rate and the increase in overall fair value mark.

Operator

The next question is from Jenny Ma with BMO Capital Markets.

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Jenny Ma
Analyst

Just a few follow-up questions on the Calgary industrial build. So this was -- is this a build on excess land that was already in the portfolio?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

Yes. So if you recall, Jenny, we bought about 5.5 acres from the City of Calgary a couple of years ago, which is adjacent to 11 Dufferin and also in the same block as our 25 Dufferin building the Canadian Tire leases. On that parcel, there was a small building that we leased to a trucking logistics company for offices and a garage and there was some adjacent land that they had for their trailer parking. So we were able to work with that tenant on an early exit of their lease premises. And so we have a combined roughly 19 acres of combined land between the City of Calgary parcel and the land that they were firmly on that we will consolidate to build the new DC.

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Jenny Ma
Analyst

Okay. So is that $40 million you quoted for the project, just the incremental cost? Or does that include the land cost as well?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

Yes. We build on cost incremental cost.

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Jenny Ma
Analyst

Cost. Okay. It's interesting to see the net-zero. I'm sure that's going to be very relevant going forward. When you're thinking about how you might construct your leases, is there going to be any sort of green provision that you put in there? And what kind of a rent premium would you expect to get for these green features?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

We'll certainly address the green elements in the lease. I mean the green elements in most leases relate to sharing of information on utility consumption. The interesting thing about this particular building is it's not going to consume much in the way of utilities. So -- and that's something we're looking at more broadly over the whole portfolio. And obviously, we're working hand in hand with Canadian Tire on benchmarking and thinking our way through measuring our carbon footprints collectively. You'll recall, we're a net lease rates, so our tenants have care and carriage of the buildings, and therefore, are the owners of most of that data and information. But we are working alongside our largest tenant to work through how we'll use the information and how they impact the leases we enter into with them.

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Jenny Ma
Analyst

Okay. Great. Would you say there's much by way of green like provisions in your existing leases? Or is that something that you address, I guess, as you renew and roll over leases?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

I would think in terms of specific provisions related to what they refer to as green leases, there isn't so much addressed in our current standard form because, like I said, the tenant is responsible for the operations of the site and pay the utilities directly. But that doesn't mean we are working together collaboratively outside of the contractual requirements of the document.

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Jenny Ma
Analyst

Okay. So going back to the new build. You mentioned that it's on spec, but has CT actually passed on potentially moving on this property? Or are they still kind of in the mix on potentially occupying it?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

As I mentioned, they're evaluating their space requirements. And as of right now, we are not committed to this.

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Jenny Ma
Analyst

Okay. What is the lease expiry on, I think, 25 Dufferin that they signed a few years ago? Is that a 10-year deal?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

I believe it's 2027.

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Jenny Ma
Analyst

2027. Okay.

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

The best in my memory, but I think it was a 10-year deal.

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Jenny Ma
Analyst

Okay. And then lastly for me, it looks like there's been some expansion of sort of your, I guess, industrial development or industrial focus. Would you say that as a REIT, and I guess the spec of may be answered this question to some extent.Is your expansion in industrial really geared towards catering to CT's needs? Or is it something -- or is it a leg of the strategy that you might want to expand to be covering third-party users in industrial space?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

I think like a lot of the investments we embark on; we leverage our relationship with Canadian Tire to surface opportunities. So clearly, if there is a need from Canadian Tire side to fulfill a supply chain requirement, we're more than happy to step in and be a part of that. Even the spec building we're doing in Calgary, comes off the back of a strategic relationship whereby we bought, if you'll recall, the former Sears DC knowing that Sears probably wasn't long for this world, but also that the facility was adjacent to Canadian Tire's existing warehouse facilities in Western Canada and had some operational benefit being adjacent to the CP intermodal yard.So we sort of got to these lands through our knowledge of the site, the opportunity that presented to surface value collectively working with Canadian Tire, fulfilling their requirements and then leveraging that to find new incremental opportunities. So I don't think we'll be out buying spec land to embark on industrial development, but we will continue to sort of seek out opportunities where, opportunistically, we find great value working together with Canadian Tire.

Operator

The next question is from Tal Woolley with National Bank Financial.

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Tal Woolley
Research Analyst

I'm just wondering, if maybe you can discuss thoughts around the level of the dividend. It's been a while since you last increased. I thought maybe we'd be looking at something for 2022. Can you just talk about where the Board's thinking is on that right now?

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Lesley Patricia Gibson
Senior VP & CFO

Tal, it's Lesley. We obviously do talk to the Board every month, every quarter about the level of distribution. And it will again nothing to announce right now but that again lead to upward at all of our meetings going forward, with our continued visible growth through the Canadian Tire leases and through sort of the rent escalations, we obviously do see continued improvement in the portfolio that would support a distribution possibly in the future.

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Tal Woolley
Research Analyst

Okay. And then again, just to go back to the Calgary DC. What is the type of tenant you think you're going to draw for that facility? Like what their intended use? Is it for retail? Is it more e-commerce? Like how are you thinking about the tenant mix in that site?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

I think it will be warehousing, who is warehousing for it's hard to say right now. Clearly, retailers, if I would -- you sort of bifurcate retailers in e-commerce, and I think those 2 actually kind of go together more and more as time goes on could certainly be a prospect. There's a lot of 3PLs out there still fulfilling mandates for others that are in the market and very active. So it's hard to say specifically, Tal, but what -- there's certainly a lot of demand out there for warehouse space. So we'll be selective in terms of tenant quality and trying to optimize, obviously, somebody was aligned with the sustainability initiative that we have underway.

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Tal Woolley
Research Analyst

Okay. And then just lastly, maybe you can give an update on -- you sort of talked a bit earlier about good competition for your type of assets. Has that sort of impeded the ability to grow sort of like the non-Canadian Tire triple-net portfolio? Or has there just been so much going on with your core tenant that you haven't really had much opportunity to pursue much?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

We are very fortunate and we're very happy about the amount of activity we have ongoing with Canadian Tire. I wouldn't say that, that's impeded our ability to do anything non-Canadian Tire related. But certainly, the marketed investment market remains quite competitive. And I think we'll just approach it the way we always have, which is paying attention, working relationships, trying to find opportunities off-market, if possible and we are pursuing those investments that we feel meet our investment criteria being great real estate, good tenants, long-term leases.And with the financial parameters, that makes sense for us. So we've certainly seen some aggressive deals, especially in Q4, a lot of single tenant, smaller transaction values. When I say smaller, I mean under $20 million, with cap rates certainly pushing under 5%. So at that pricing, we would not be in the market. But we continue to watch it and look for a sweet spots as we always have.

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Tal Woolley
Research Analyst

Okay. And then just lastly, the Canadian Tire store at Yonge in Davenport here in Toronto. There's been some press that may be there looking to redevelop that site. Obviously, being at the edge of Yorkville that would be highly sought residential space. I don't believe that portfolio has in the CT REIT portfolio, but if some sort of redevelopment comes along is that something that CT REIT will be looking to participate on?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

So you're correct. That property is not in the REIT, Canadian Tire owns it and have the interest. I don't have much to say about it other than, as you mentioned, the highlights a really prime example, some very high profile, high value real estate that both the REIT and Canadian Tire continue to own. Clearly, could be a redevelopment project at some point in the future. But until a formal application gets made, we don't really have much in the way of commentary on it at this point.

Operator

The next question is from Sumayya Syed with CIBC.

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Sumayya Syed Hussain
Associate

Just wanted to -- one more, I guess, on the Calgary distribution center development. Just wondering if this will be entirely an in-house development or if you're relying on any third-party consultants that sort of specialize in net-zero building applications?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

We're certainly using a consulting team of architects and engineers to help facilitate the design and details of the project. But in terms of the development and construction, it will be overseen in-house. We will give it to general contractor to build it, but we'll use our own expertise and knowledge and team to carry it out.

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Sumayya Syed Hussain
Associate

Okay. And then just on the Canadian Tire lease extensions done in the quarter, were they done at the same terms as the last quarter where I think you got a lot more term and kept the escalators going?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

Yes, that's correct. So same format that we've been engaging in to date. To remind you, that's not necessarily the formula that's contained in the lease, so that there's no assurance that on a go-forward basis, that will be how we continue to transact on these deals. But as of now, that has been a formula in the scheme networks for both us and Canadian Tire.

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Sumayya Syed Hussain
Associate

Okay. And can you share how much more term you got for these extensions?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

For the 8 in the quarter?

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Sumayya Syed Hussain
Associate

Yes.

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

It will work out to be, I think, on average, just under 7 years.

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Sumayya Syed Hussain
Associate

7 years. Okay.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Sam Damiani with TD Securities.

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Sam Damiani
Director, Institutional Equity Research

Maybe just on the retail side. The third-party occupancy -- third-party tenant occupancy has almost recovered back to pre-pandemic. I wonder, if you could just maybe comment on categories, the retail categories that have, I guess, seen the most erosion in your portfolio and the most sort of recovery?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

Sure. Sam, I can take that. And I think as a general comment, we haven't seen much erosion or much need for recovery. But clearly, some of the multi-tenant properties that we own that are slated for redevelopment or improvement, have seen some struggles with respect to fashion tenancies. Our restaurant portfolio -- from an occupancy perspective, it's held up quite well. Obviously, they've had their struggled with closures and mandates impacting their business. But I think today, that's more of a regional disparity based on the specific lockdowns associated with each province.The mid-box guys have been really healthy, the dollar stores, the discount retailers at liquor, cannabis, all that stuff continues to perform well. And that's -- from a new deal perspective, we continue to engage with on our new development sites and new leasing opportunities. So I don't think it's anything different than you would see in some of our peers' portfolios in terms of the experience we've had. But luckily, it has an impact to us too much.

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Sam Damiani
Director, Institutional Equity Research

And I think you mentioned the mixed use, and I believe 1 component of Canada Square maybe has been transferred into pipe. But just, I guess, on an NOI basis, do you see much erosion in 2022 or 2023 as the north end of the site gets closer to development?

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Lesley Patricia Gibson
Senior VP & CFO

Yes. Sam, yes, the 2200 and 2210 building at the north end of the site that was transferred there will start to be some erosion to that property. Obviously, as leases -- as we've got leases scheduled to mature and expire by the end of '22, there will be some erosion as we head through into development. But obviously, we're trying to keep them there as long as possible and renewing late tenants on a month-to-month basis as we can to push that out into the eventual redevelopment.

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Sam Damiani
Director, Institutional Equity Research

Okay. So let me perhaps a little bit of erosion around the edges over the next year or 2?

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Lesley Patricia Gibson
Senior VP & CFO

Yes.

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Sam Damiani
Director, Institutional Equity Research

Okay. And just looking at the fair value gains in the quarter and for the year. I may have missed it, but what was the mix between industrial and retail?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

I think it was about half industrial and half retail.

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Lesley Patricia Gibson
Senior VP & CFO

For the year. Yes.

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Sam Damiani
Director, Institutional Equity Research

For the year. So fair to say that you've kind of recovered most of what you wrote down in 2020 on the retail side?

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Lesley Patricia Gibson
Senior VP & CFO

Yes. Yes, we're close to where we were before on the retail side, I guess.

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Sam Damiani
Director, Institutional Equity Research

Okay. Perfect. Last question, just on the Calgary industrial development, and congratulations there. It looks just looks like showing for many respects. But just wondering the timing, I guess it was asked a little bit earlier, but was there like a zoning or some other sort of trigger -- that triggered the decision to start now as opposed to last year or 2 years from now?

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Kevin Salsberg
President & COO

Yes. We actually have received our development permit and we intend to start construction in this.

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Sam Damiani
Director, Institutional Equity Research

Great. Congrats again on the year in the quarter.

Operator

As there are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call over to Ken Silver, CEO, for any closing remarks.

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Kenneth Silver
CEO & Trustee

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us today. We look forward to speaking with you all in May.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's call. You may now disconnect.