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Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2022-Q4

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Operator

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before we begin, I will read our cautionary note regarding forward-looking information. Certain information to be discussed during this call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable security laws, including, among others, statements concerning the company's 2022 objectives, the company's strategy to achieve those objectives as well as statements with respect to management's beliefs, plans, estimates and intentions and similar statements concerning anticipated future events, results, circumstances, performance or expectations that are not historical facts. Such forward-looking statements reflect management's current beliefs and are based on information currently available to management and is subject to a number of significant risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. Also, our commentary today will include adjusted financial measures, which are non-GAAP measures. These should be considered as a supplement to and not as a substitute for GAAP financial measures.

Reconciliations between the 2 can be found in our MD&A, which is available on sedar.com and our website. We are joined today by MediaValet's CEO, Mr. Rob Chase, as well as the company's CFO, Mr. David Miller. With that, I will hand over the call to Rob to provide his opening remarks. Please go ahead, Rob.

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Robert Chase
executive

Thanks, Malik, and hello, thank you for everyone, and thank you for joining us for today's earnings call. I hope you've had a chance to review our press release and financial reporting materials, all of which are available on SEDAR. And sorry, apologies for the late delivery and some mechanical issues that are now resolved. But with me today is Dave Miller, our CFO, and together, we will provide a business update and review of our key financial and software service highlights. We'll then open it up for questions. At the end of our call, I hope you will come away with a few key takeaways. Takeaway one, we've continued to build on our solid performance track record with 36% growth in ARR for 2022 and a 43% 5-year CAGR. Now this growth has been achieved in the face of multiple years of challenging macro events is a testament to the resilience of our team, business model and overall customer-focused strategy.

Takeaway 2. The dam market has also continued to show resilience with the need for dam building as a result of long-term tailwinds from the digital transformation that organizations must embrace to be successful in today's digital world. Takeaway 3. We have the right team, focus and funding in place to execute on our growth plan and are tightly managing and aligning our operating costs to attain cash flow positive operations. On that note, we are well on our way. We're reporting a billings-based cash burn in just $373,000 in Q4. Looking at the DAM industry -- we continue to be excited by the possibilities. It is clear to us, our customers and our pipeline of clients that DAM is increasingly becoming an essential tech layer in today's digital first world. At the heart of every digital strategy is creating content that needs to be dynamic, fresh, exciting on point and consistently distributed across all internal and external platforms at the right time and in the right format. Sounds simple enough, but the sheer volume, velocity and value of this content make it near impossible to accomplish without a DAM, generally speaking, it's pure chaos without one. As a result, we find that organizations of all sizes are looking for a DAM solution to extend the life and value of their digital content and to rein in the cost with a fast ROI.

Today, this has mostly been a greenfield market opportunity, but we believe we're going to see increasing opportunities to disrupt legacy on-premise down systems as they tend to carry too much technical depth to be a viable solution for today's DAM needs. At the same time, the use cases for DAM continue to increase beyond marketing into corporate brand and knowledge management, extending DAM to solve to these many different use cases is a core focus of ours that requires managing all types of assets with the necessary workflows to extend the life and value of both the content and the tech stack of tools that utilize the content. Through such focus, we will further scale and diversify our corporate revenue streams and become more essential to the organizations that use our DAM. At a 36% growth in ARR and 101% net retention in 2022, it's clear that this focus is working. While with every exciting market opportunity comes plenty of competition and DAM is no different in this regard. But through clarity of vision and inspired execution, we believe we will continue to rise above the competition and successfully build on our leadership position in this market. Our ability to do so is apparent in that we have been consistently increasing our market share and growing at near double the rate of the underlying DAM market.

And a key part of this success is our mid-market solution focus. And as you can see from this slide, 20% of our ARR is from large enterprise, 73% from mid-market and 10% from the SMB space. It is our unrivaled support, ease of use and innovative solutions that have enabled us to reach and support customers of all sizes around the globe. Putting that in perspective, our annual recurring revenue spans from USD 6,000 a year to over USD 700,000 a year. The key attribute here that all of these customers require an enterprise use case DAM that isn't just delivering a plain vanilla set of features. And this is where we differentiate ourselves. We believe that we can be #1 in adoption, we'll continue to earn a leadership share of the market. Adoption rates are indeed at the heart of our core product principles for DAM, which all center around helping our customers win through unrivaled support, ease of use and innovative solutions. Our focus on customer value and maximizing adoption is working. Our customer base is rapidly approaching 500 customers, a milestone will surpass in Q1 2023. Our ARR and revenue performance speaks for themselves at 36% and 37%, respectively. Our annual contract value is continuing to grow, up 5% from last year to 23,000 and is up 45% from our 2018 average.

And finally, our net dollar retention of ARR was 101% for fiscal 2022, a record level for us, thanks to our low gross churn rates and the growing expansion opportunities within our customer base. So to close my opening remarks, I'll leave you with a few examples of recent customer wins. First is an auto parts manufacturer. The manufacturing sector accounts for about 9% of our customer base. DAM was in tangle not only for product marketing materials, but also for various internal processes and manufacturing specs. Our Azure infrastructure, unlimited support and ease of use really stood out for this customer in choosing their DAM. In addition, this is 1 of the early wins for our professional services team who will be instrumental in helping ensure the customer realizes the value of DAM. In turn, we expect this to increase the stickiness and expansion opportunities for the future. A media agency is located in South Africa, which highlights 1 of our advantages of being able to provide data residency guarantees in 61 countries around the globe. This opportunity actually relates to manufacturing industry as well as the agency was required to provide a DAM in support of the Japanese auto manufacturing client. A telecom provider in Canada. You can imagine the complicated telco matrix for digital content with an omnichannel network of B2B, B2C and full retail outlets.

This telco is leaning into their digitization strategy and identified DAM as a key part of their tech stack. After a full evaluation, MediaValet stood out as a clear and simple tool that integrates seamlessly into their ways of working and into their current tech stack. And all of these examples were competitive opportunities generated through our direct marketing and sales efforts. With that, I'll pass it over to Dave to take us through some of our key metrics and financial results. Dave, over to you.

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David Miller
executive

Thanks, Rob, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. I believe our Q4 and fiscal '22 results highlight the effectiveness of our growth and market strategy and our operational plan. In Q4 '22, our revenue grew 41% to $3.6 million compared to $2.6 million for the same period in 2021 and was up 10% compared to Q3 '22. While our Q4 operating costs were up just 9% to $5.2 million compared to $4.7 million in Q4 '21 and 4% sequentially from Q3 '22, primarily reflecting inflationary and payroll adjustments as well as variable spend associated with higher revenue.

Revenue year-to-date grew to $12.8 million, up 37% from $9.3 million in fiscal '21, reflecting record net new ARR or annual recurring revenue and deferred revenue growth from ramping customer acquisition and net retention performance. Our operating costs for fiscal '22 were $20.1 million, up 26% from fiscal '21 as a result of the operating expansion carried out in the second half of fiscal '21. We ended fiscal '22 with 98 staff, down from 102 at the end of fiscal '21. As mentioned, we have been diligently managing our cost line to level it off after our step function increase in 2021. This gives us confidence that we will continue to unlock performance gains in our operating structure and will grow to cash positive operations within our available resources. Gross margins remained strong at 81% in fiscal '22, down 1% compared to 82% in fiscal '21 and within our 80% to 82% range. Note that our revenue and margins were not materially impacted by the strengthening U.S. dollar in the second half of '22 as most of our revenue is recognized ratably through deferred revenue, which is recorded at the exchange rate in effect at the time of customer billings. In other words, new billings in Q4 were done at a higher exchange rate than Q4 last year, which will flow through future quarter revenue and margins as the deferred revenue is amortized.

Net loss for Q4 '22 totaled $2.9 million, down 4% compared to the net loss of $3 million incurred during Q4 '21. Year-to-date losses were $11.1 million, up 17% compared to $9.5 million net loss in fiscal '21. Increase in the loss was expected and is primarily due to an increase in operating costs, in line with the company's expansion completed in 2021. Looking now at certain non-IFRS measures. Our 5-year compound annual growth rate for ARR was 43%, as Rob mentioned, and we reported ARR growth of 36% finishing fiscal '22 at $14.8 million, up from $10.8 million in fiscal '21. Net new ARR in Q4 '22 of $1.13 million increased 35% from [indiscernible] million in Q4 '21 and increased 27% sequentially from Q3 '22. Fiscal '22 net new ARR was a record $3.94 million, up 79% from $2.2 million in fiscal '21. The increase reflects the company's expansion completed in 2021, strong net dollar customer retention of 101%, the strengthening U.S. dollar and continuing market demand for enterprise DAM solutions despite the current macroeconomic environment. As organizations continue to implement their necessary digital strategies, and effective DAM becomes critical to reducing costs, requiring less people to manage media workflows and ensuring continuity in difficult times. Importantly, the strong new customer and net retention performance led to fiscal '22 total billings of $15.5 million, up 41% from $10.9 million in fiscal '21, exceeding our revenue and ARR growth rates.

This is important to note as billings gives us a better indication of the ramp in cash flow that we are generating, which is key to understanding our path to cash flow positive operations. Sequentially, our Q4 billings were up 49% over Q3 levels, reflecting our seasonally strongest billings quarter due to our renewal cycles and the culmination of our annual new business initiatives. In fiscal '22, our billings based cash burn was $7.8 million, up 10% from $7.1 million in fiscal '21. But importantly, as a strong -- as a result of our strong Q4 billings, our Q4 '22 billings based cash burn was just $0.4 million, down 68% from a cash burn of $1.2 million in Q4 '21. Further, with our current cost management efforts, combined with our continued growth profile, we expect to materially reduce our burn in the year ahead and are targeting cash flow positive in Q4 '23. We ended the quarter with $0.2 million in cash and cash equivalents on hand compared to $6.7 million at the end of fiscal '21 and had modified working capital of $2.3 million compared to $9.2 million at the end of fiscal '21. Our pro forma modified working capital of $5.8 million, including the proceeds of the $3.5 million private place bank closed and announced after year-end, in addition to the $9 million credit facility available, of which $0.5 million was drawn at year-end and repaid in January are all available to support our path towards profitability.

We have leveled off our operating costs in fiscal '22 and are focused on operational excellence and cost optimization through a disciplined approach to investment in high ROI or return on investment initiatives. We remain in a good working capital position and combined with a consistent track record of top line performance despite macroeconomic conditions, we have a balanced approach to grow to cash positive operations. With that, I'd like to again thank you for listening and open it up to questions.

Operator

Operator Instructions]

The first question comes from Gavin Fairweather of Cormark Securities.

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Gavin Fairweather
analyst

Can you hear me?

Operator

Yes.

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Gavin Fairweather
analyst

Awesome. Maybe just on the bookings this quarter. Can you discuss kind of the composition or mix of the bookings that you saw in Q4, specifically between SMB and [indiscernible].

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Robert Chase
executive

Yes. It was much more focused on SMB this last quarter. As you know from our announcement, there was a couple of larger deals. But generally speaking, it was largely weighted towards the smaller sized customer bracket. Just to tie an issue on some of those. So we think we'll see some of those opportunities from Q4 come close here in Q1 as well. But yes, definitely was a bit of a pop-up in the regard in the fourth quarter in terms of [indiscernible].

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Gavin Fairweather
analyst

So pretty good bookings despite maybe enterprise deals pushing into the first half. So are you seeing those deals behave differently as we kind of enter 2023 here? Or just some of those larger ones that you're chasing, you think will end up getting across the line here?

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Robert Chase
executive

Yes. Great comment. And as we sort of mentioned in the past as well, obviously, 2022 had some challenges economically that certainly did result in some longer sales cycles. Again, we're pretty happy to have gone for a real balanced approach in our go-to-market to make sure we're addressing the entire spectrum so that we're not wholly reliant on getting some of those large deals to still get to our numbers. So it's good to know that they are still in the pipe and still working through the system, just taking maybe a little longer than they had in the past -- so these are the many challenges that we've had to face and all organizations are facing with the many disruptions starting from 2020 with COVID that we continue to have to face in it certainly has made us much more resilient and much better able to face these challenges and navigate them with our digital first strategy, and we're happy to see that our part of the market to be holding in pretty well despite those concerns or macro events.

And we believe we'll see some of those deals to start to come through here in the new year, and by some of the other ones in Q1 will push [ too ], right? So really, again, that balanced approach we have is pretty important to ensuring we're going to navigate the current climate as we have the past 3 years.

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Gavin Fairweather
analyst

That's helpful. And then maybe can you just provide us with a bit of an update on the R&D side? And specifically, how you're kind of ordering your priorities on the road map -- has that shifted around at all given kind of the macro plum? Maybe any commentary that you provide there would be helpful.

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Robert Chase
executive

I would say that the shift for us has really been not like some with respect to the macro. Certainly, as you know, we've spent a lot of money on contractors in the past, and we've finely cut that back. So you'll see that next year, some of that -- those dollars in order to hold our spend in check next year. Obviously, there's inflationary pressures and things as they're always are, right? So we did have to reduce some spend somewhere. And certainly, those contractors were a natural place to go for that. But really, from an R&D perspective, it's actually, for us, a pretty exciting time with our ARR now around that 15 million mark and approaching 500 customers, there's a lot of opportunity to accelerate our customer adoption of DAM by building certain features and capabilities that will help them to adopt it even easier and get more value. I think we'll see us leaning in a bit more to some of that to really help get that net retention rate into that magic 105 to 110 level as a long-term goal. We're currently around 101 -- but certainly, I would say, at this juncture of evolution as a business that we're starting to get a little bit more balanced in that regard because, of course, that's going to generate not only expanding customers and sticky customers but great referenceable customers that can then obviously help us win in the market with new customer opportunities. And that's kind of really around our new hot DAM campaign that's just recently been launched, and it is addressing the adoption levels that I mentioned a little earlier, and we really do think we're positioned to be best-in-class for adoption overall.

And I think that's a win combination. So to us, that's a hot DAM equation, and we're pretty excited to have just launched that this last week. If you've not been to our website recently, go have a look, it's pretty exciting.

Operator

The next question comes from Karen [indiscernible] of [indiscernible] Capital.

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Unknown Analyst

Just to start off here. I'm curious how your upsell activity has been with customers. And as you look at growth for the year, how is this expected to trend against new logos?

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Robert Chase
executive

Growth and expansion of new customers you're talking about?

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Unknown Analyst

Correct. Yes.

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Robert Chase
executive

Yes. So Yes, I mean but we have an established sales team. We haven't increased it over last year at all. Obviously, holding our spend in check, and they have lots of excess capacity to deliver more than they did in the current year. Macroeconomic situations will determine how far into their capacity we reach as well some of the R&D road map that we have. But it's been an exciting year for customer acquisition for us, a strong year, obviously, in maintaining that 36% growth level. And we really -- as I mentioned in the call earlier, in Q1, we expect we'll pass through that 500 customer mark here. We're currently about at [ 45 ] in averaging sort of that 30-ish plus mark of new customers landed and signed per quarter, which I think is a cadence we can maintain.

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Unknown Analyst

That's helpful color. And to ask my second here. So now that you see, are there any near-term changes to how you would organize the company? I'll leave it at that.

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Robert Chase
executive

Great question. I think what you'll see most is increased focused and efforts to remove friction from the business so we can operate at the speed we need to win and realize the leverage in our scale. And so that's really the focus. There isn't a lot of concerns with the overall strategy or the direction, as I mentioned earlier, from a product road map for example, making sure we're really balancing the efforts we do with respect to new customers with those of existing as well. I think just some more granular focus on who we are and what we can achieve will help us achieve our potential and removing friction from the business is really a critical thing at this juncture. We -- as you know, we doubled our staff in 2021. And as teams go through the storming, forming norming and performing phases, the focus right now is making sure that we get them firmly and our whole team firmly into the performing stage of development here, and that's where we'll realize the benefits and potential of this increased scale. So that would be where the focus is really around building the team we have and the opportunity we have into a high-performance team that we can fully get the value out of, which again, when you double, it's really hard to do that without spilling some milk, right?

So we definitely have opportunities to streamline, be more efficient and effective in how we use our resources for greater ROI on those investments, more clarity, et cetera. So that would be my core focus.

Operator

The next question comes from Neehal Upadhyaya from Industrial Alliance.

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Neehal Upadhyaya
analyst

Congrats on the new position, Rob. Can you talk about the newish professional services team and if they're seeing more momentum with current clients and then have they been a differentiator in attracting new clients?

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Robert Chase
executive

That's a great comment. And obviously, an area that we're excited about. We did announce it in Q3. It's a small team at this point. We have 8 contractors plus our esteemed leader, and it's definitely a key part of the business becoming that quickly. As I mentioned, 1 of the deals, the new deals there that had a nice little PS engagement with it. It's not for all sizes of customers, obviously, but the larger mid-market opportunities really is a great opportunity to work with them to improve their library services and how do works within their business, how integrated it is, how seamless it is in terms of really unlocking the potential of down. So I get really excited about it because they can prove the potential -- and once we have that potential proved, in addition to being a good thing for our customers, it becomes something that we can help other -- sorry, other system integrators understand so that they can also understand how they can add additional consulting dollars on top of the DAM, which for us is pretty important to be able to convey because it is pretty easy to stand up down. The ease of use is 1 of our core tenants. And what we don't want to get lost in that message is that it is easy to get up and going, but you can make it as complex as you want in terms of integrating into your environment, leveraging all of our APIs and standard as well for its -- so it's our PS team that's going to bring all that to life and already out of the gates, they've had about 5 engagements already and just started in the fall.

And so that can have a decent impact on our revenue going forward. But I want to be clear that we remain focused product SaaS company and that still the lion's share of our revenue is going to remain recurring Software-as-a-Service revenue, which currently averages around that 95% mark plus. And so it will still be in the '90s even with PS at this stage.

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Neehal Upadhyaya
analyst

Perfect. And then maybe digging into a previous question that was asked. Can you talk about the product road map and then some of the specific features that you've been working on that may be ready for customers in the near term that can get you to that 105% retention mark that you spoke about?

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Robert Chase
executive

Yes. Certainly, some of it's behind-the-scene stuff. When we're combining down the services to our customers for example, but all of it is hot storage is the highest cost, highest value storage type there is, and we're managing for them, right?

So if we're able to provide an intelligence layer that will balance that across different types of stores, we can reduce the cost of ownership to the customer and also, of course, help to increase our margins. So some of it's going to be margin based and enable us to actually provide a better service to the customers as a result. At the same time, we're really leaning into video and some of the video solutions we have in terms of our audiovisual index or and things of application of AI to video is really exciting. But if you're going to load a ton of video into the system, you got to make sure that the cost structure supports that as well to make it viable for customers so much can be done once we have all of your content in 1 place -- just think of the opportunities with AI-generated content and things like that, that we can do that become really exciting for customers to fully extend the life cycle of their digital assets and the value they can create with each 1 over time. So a lot of it's around that kind of stuff, Neehal. In terms of our new UX as well as our user experience is being upgraded, we didn't -- last year, we did a bit of a refresh in terms of the interface itself, but our UX capability is changing rapidly.

It's a big area of investment. And changing some of the structure within it as well so that we can add reactive type of features and things with things like app mentions or what have you for trading better workflows in an environmental -- so it's a lot of just good hygiene down things that we'll be doing to optimize the system and the experience for the customer that, again, really pushes adoption to then help with setting up the card in the industry so that we can win more on the incoming customer side as well.

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Neehal Upadhyaya
analyst

No, perfect. That helps. And then maybe 1 last 1 from my end. Thus far, you've handle the macro headwinds fairly well. And you kind of mentioned that you continue to -- the customer pipeline is quite solid. But I was just wondering if there's been any change in the length of a sell cycle within the SMB or the enterprise side? And then maybe are there some challenges that you've been seeing in terms of those conversations? Or is it business as usual?

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Robert Chase
executive

Yes. I mean in tensioned with business as usual. I think that the moniker now is more business is unusual. And I think just from all the macro things that we've seen, but our pipeline continues to perform really well. We've just finished -- and when we track our pipeline all the way from the top down to our sales qualified opportunities and into final 1 deals, up in the top of the funnel, for example, is demos, right? Getting demos done and interest. I mean, we just had to come off 2 weeks and probably our strongest 2 weeks of demos we've seen in the past year. So it comes and goes and a lot of it is around what we're doing because again, the DAM market does have great tailwinds. We just hired a new VP of Marketing in September, for example, and also, she's rebuilt our marketing team, doing a great job. They brought on Hogan here, which is already creating some excitement and more demo opportunities for us. So a lot of it is around just the levers that we're pulling and that we're continually doing AB testing with them to make sure that we're doing things that give us the best bang for the buck, if you will, and create the biggest lead funnel we can create. And it's kind of operating like normal. Yes, the sales cycles very -- I mean the telco one that we announced was a 67-day cycle, whereas the [indiscernible] the auto one, I think, was [ 20 ] days.

So there's enough things in the pipe -- and the goal of this is to have a nice thing -- not things in the pipe so that we can weather those things. There's going to be some of the fast, some slower. So again, I think we're in a fortunate position in that the DAM market itself has drivers that are long term, that are resilience, we believe, knock on wood, right? But to the current headwinds that the overall market is experiencing because going digital is 1 of the things that's going to help you be nimble and help you to chart and navigate through these challenging times. If you're not there with a digital-first strategy, it's really hard to navigate all of the challenges that keep coming at us in business as unusual, right? So yes, I hope that helps. But certainly, we're seeing good pipeline activity at this point for Q1, and it's kind of doing what we expect. So we'll see that through the year.

Operator

There's a follow-on question from Gavin Fairweather of Cormark.

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Gavin Fairweather
analyst

You talked about maybe seeing more legacy.

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Robert Chase
executive

Muted. You mean it yourself.

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Gavin Fairweather
analyst

Can you hear me now?

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Robert Chase
executive

Yes.

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Gavin Fairweather
analyst

Okay. You talked about more legacy displacement opportunities versus greenfield opportunities. Hoping you can just expand on that as to the trend that you're seeing in the pipeline? And -- and what's kind of the catalyst in those situations for some of these clients to ultimately look to upgrade to a [indiscernible]?

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Robert Chase
executive

Yes, great question. And I think certainly, we always see some. There's always some legacy displacement opportunities. But I really specifically more or less referring to Gartner report [indiscernible] year old now, but finding they're finding over 400 enterprise accounts with respect to DAM, was that only 26% were happy with their adoption levels. I mean this is a constant thing that we see. We just won another deal here just selected against [ Dolby ] happens on 2 or 3 accounts this -- for Q1 that have indicated [indiscernible] versus Adobe. And again, those large enterprise systems tend to be very complex, very difficult to deploy and install lots of consulting required just to get them up and running. Whereas with a more nimble DAM like MediaValet, you can get up running quickly and start realizing the ROI almost instantly. So I think we have a significant advantage and winning against the larger, more complicated systems like that is a testament to it. But when we think about that backlog, if you will, that is having dissatisfaction with the adoption levels and then us really leaning into China be #1 in adoption. I think we're going to be really well positioned as those organizations update their strategies with respect to their digital content. And indeed, the telco one that we announced, that was the same situation.

I mean they were trying to revamp their digital strategies to be more nimble and effective and be able to hit the market faster and more efficiently. So indeed, while that one wasn't a specific displacement. That is the same trend. And I think we can't tell in the crystal ball when that's going to happen, but we believe it's on its way at some point here in the near future.

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Gavin Fairweather
analyst

Okay. And then just lastly for me. You touched on achieving cash flow breakeven within existing resources by Q4. And I'm not mistaken, that's kind of the first time you've kind of put a date around it. Just to be clear, are we talking about on a billings basis given kind of the seasonality of billings. And then kind of as you work into '24, you're probably there on like a normalized billing basis is kind of the way to think about it or...

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Robert Chase
executive

Absolutely.

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David Miller
executive

That's right. We're targeting [ '24 ] on a full year basis, but Q4 '23 on a quarter basis.

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Robert Chase
executive

Equaling basis and so the profitability generally lags the year behind the deferral of revenue.

Operator

There are no further questions. I would now hand over the call to Rob for his closing remarks.

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Robert Chase
executive

Thank you, [indiscernible]. And thanks for the call calls and questions everybody and for tuning in. We really appreciate it. Hopefully, we did a good job of conveying the key takeaways that we have mentioned earlier in terms of resilient performance as a business and also the tailwinds were down and the balanced approach on costs, as you can see, obviously, the quarterly cost OpEx pretty steady over the last 5 quarters. So we'll keep it at that. And thank you, everybody, for tuning in and look forward to talking to you in the months to come.

Operator

Thanks, everyone. This concludes our call today. You may disconnect.

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