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Earnings Call Analysis

Q4-2023 Analysis
Chunghwa Telecom Co Ltd

Chunghwa Telecom Hits 6-Year Highs in Earnings

Chunghwa Telecom celebrates a robust year as 2023 EPS reached TWD 4.76, a six-year peak, with revenues also surpassing guidance. The company commands Taiwan's mobile market, boasting over 40% revenue share and leading 5G services with over 3 million subscribers. Mobile service revenue saw a 5.8% YoY rise, while postpaid ARPU grew by 4.3%, extending a positive streak to 33 months. Fixed broadband contributed with a 2.6% revenue increase and a 1.1% ARPU rise, aided by a focus on higher speed services. International roaming soared by 270%, reflecting travel recovery. Challenges arose as Consumer Business Group (CBG) income pre-tax dipped by 0.2% due to 3G phaseout costs, yet adjusting for this, income grew by 3.6%. Enterprise Business Group (EBG) revenue rose 2.5% but faced a 6.2% drop in pre-tax income. Looking ahead, Chunghwa shows optimism, planning German subsidiary establishment as 2024's strategic milestone.

Chunghwa Telecom Delivers Strong Results with Continued Growth Trajectory

Chunghwa Telecom commenced its conference call with a flourish of positive notes, underscoring the completion of 2023 with an impressive EPS of TWD 4.76, marking both revenue and EPS as the highest in six years. In a redefined telecom landscape with three key players, Chunghwa remains the front-runner, holding over 40% of Taiwan's mobile market share and flaunting the most 5G subscribers, solidifying its dominant market cap at 60% of the industry's total value.

Advancements in Broadband and Business Segments Foster Revenue Growth

Chunghwa's revenue uptick can be authorized to strategic speed profile optimization, successfully upgrading a significant number of users to higher broadband speeds which led to a 12% year-over-year increase in signups for service at 100 megabits per second or higher. This strategy is poised to continue, enhancing the fixed broadband ARPU in 2024. In parallel, the company cited an upsurge in total revenue of the Consumer Business Group by 4.4% and the Enterprise Business Group by 2.5%, despite slight declines in certain areas, testament to robust growth particularly in mobile service, roaming revenues, and cybersecurity services.

Exemplary Innovations and International Expansion Underpin Success

Not only does Chunghwa celebrate a strong domestic foothold but also revels in its international ventures, with significant revenue growth of 33% in the International Business Group. This can be attributed to the rising demand for emerging business, such as IDC and cloud services. Moreover, the establishment of Taiwan's most extensive 5G network slicing verification field echo the company's commitment to spearheading technological innovations which further strengthens its business proposition.

Future Outlook Indicates Further Revenue Enhancement with Fiscal Prudence

Chunghwa anticipates a progression in total revenue ranging between 2.4% to 3.1% for 2024, spurred by the consistent performance of 5G services and broadband promotions expected to lift subscriber numbers and ARPU. The ICT sector's expansion is also projected due to the increasing need for digital transformation among consumers. Despite expected rises in operating costs by 4% to 4.6%, ensuing from investments for future growth, EPS is predicted to reside between TWD 4.6 to TWD 4.8, and a capital spending budget of about TWD 34 billion for the year 2024 to facilitate this anticipated growth.

Notable Recognition Validates Corporate Excellence and ESG Commitment

Crowning its achievements, Chunghwa Telecom has garnered esteemed accolades such as a top position on the Dow Jones Sustainability World Index and an AA ESG rating from MSCI, illustrating the company's steadfast dedication to sustainability and exceptional governance. These honors, along with the highest credit rating by S&P Global Ratings, reflect the trust and confidence of investors and stakeholders alike in the long-term vision and integrity of the company's operations.

Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2023-Q4

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Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Chunghwa Telecom Conference Call for the company's Fourth Quarter 2023 Operating Results. [Operator Instructions] For your information, this conference call is now being broadcasted live over the Internet. Webcast replay will be available within an hour after the conference is finished. Please visit CHT IR website www.cht.com.tw/ir under the IR Calendar section.And now I would like to turn it over to Ms. Angela Tsai, the Director of Investor Relations. Thank you. Ms. Tsai, please go ahead.

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Angela Tsai
executive

Thank you. I'm Angela Tsai, Assistant Vice President of Financial Department for Chunghwa Telecom. Welcome to our fourth quarter 2023 results conference call. Joining me on the call today are our Chairman, Harrison Kuo;, our President, Ivan Lin; and Vincent Chen, our Chief Financial Officer. During today's call, management will begin by providing the Chairman's message, our business overview, a discussion of our segment performance and the financial results followed by management guidance for 2024. After, we will move on to the question and answer portion of the call. On Slide 2, please read our disclaimers and note concerning forward-looking statements.Now without further delay, I will turn the call over to our Chairman. Chairman Kuo, please go ahead.

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Shui-Yi Kuo
executive

Thank you, Angela, and hello everyone. Welcome to our fourth quarter results conference call and I would like to begin with our strong financial performance for 2023. We concluded 2023 with an EPS of TWD 4.76 while both revenue and EPS exceeded the high end of our full year guidance and hit 6-year highs. We are proud to beat the full year guidance and also commit to investors to give all-out efforts for this year. During the fourth quarter of last year, Taiwan's telecom industry entered a new 3-player landscape where Chunghwa Telecom continues to be the largest telco followed by the other 2 players. Our market cap represents 60% of the industry market value. Our revenue share in Taiwan's mobile market also exceeded 40%. In addition, we have the most 5G subscribers in Taiwan with more than 3 million not to mention the overall mobile subscriber number.All the stats highlight that our leading position far outweighs our peers. At the same time, we are happy to see the domestic industry evolution and believe that under the current structure, value creation for customers will continue to remain the industry focus and the digital transformation will continue to develop and serve as one of the key growth drivers. Keeping our #1 position, we reiterate our confidence in widening our leading against peers due to our solid strengths and growth momentum. In 2023, our mobile postpaid subscriber numbers continued its year-over-year growth throughout the whole year despite the total number of mobile SIMs in Taiwan decreased in 2023. We also achieved the highest mobile service revenue in the industry.Our success in attracting subscribers speaks for our network strengths, including the most extensive mobile coverage, largest capacity and fastest speeds supported by our most numerous mobile base stations already in use. We believe our mobile subscriber gains and revenue growth in 2023 will continue and roll over to 2024. Our competitive advantages also come from our cross-sector business wins, including our growing fixed broadband business, accelerating technology monetization and ongoing investment in content and digital ecosystems. With our continuous efforts and business development, we maintain optimistic about positive outlook for the next year ahead. Last, I'm pleased to share that we are establishing a subsidiary in Germany in the first half of 2024, which will serve as the forerunner for international business expansion in Europe. This marks a meaningful milestone of our international expansion.Now let me hand the call over to Ivan for the business updates of the fourth quarter of 2023.

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Chau-Young Lin
executive

Thank you, Chairman Kuo, and hello everyone. Now please flip to Page 5 for an update on our outperforming mobile service. As of November 2023, we maintained our leading position in Taiwan's mobile market with the largest subscriber share of 37.1%. Meanwhile, we were excited to see our revenue share reach a remarkable milestone exceeding 40% in the third quarter and hitting 40.2% by the end of last November further widening our lead against our peers. Our excess revenue share over subscriber share increased to 3.1%, which is encouraging. In addition, our mobile service revenue in fourth quarter recorded a 5.8% year-over-year increase, maintaining its growth for 33 consecutive months while our postpaid ARPU reported a 4.3% year-over-year increase, continuing its consecutive growth for 11th quarter. This increase was mainly owing to the 5G migration upsells, international roaming recovery and increase of postpaid subscriber numbers.Thanks to 5G adoption, we see the average monthly fee uplift from customers who migrated from 4G to 5G increased to 49% in the fourth quarter further from 44% in the third quarter, maintaining an inspiring upward trajectory. Going forward, we expect the overall 5G penetration in Taiwan will continue to steadily develop in 2024. We believe that Chunghwa will benefit the most given our #1 position for best 5G quality ranked by the well-known international institutes. Let's move on to Slide 6 for an update on our fixed broadband business. In the fourth quarter, we're glad to see positive performance in the fixed broadband sector. Its revenue and ARPU increased by 2.6% and 1.1%, respectively, on a year-over-year basis mainly attributed to the increase of higher speed migration.Our signups for services of 300 megabit per second or higher continued to be popular among all speed mixes since the second quarter of 2023. Its year-over-year growth in the fourth quarter achieved 32% maintaining a double-digit growth. It's worth noting that our speed profile optimization promoted by the marketing incentives also worked in upgrading speeds from below 100 megabit per second to transition to higher speed above the 100 megabit per second. We see a 12% year-over-year increase in signups for service at 100 megabit per second or higher. As the optimization strategy will go on in 2024, we are confident in seeing the upward trend of the fixed broadband ARPU continue going forward.Now let's move on to the performance of our customer-centric business groups. Slide 8 presents the performance of our CBG Group. In the fourth quarter, total CBG revenue rose by 4.4% year-over-year. The increase was mainly driven by the notable increase of our outperforming mobile service revenue at a 5.3% increase on year owing to the continued 5G migration and postpaid subscriber increase, better sales of iPhone 15 series and the stable growth of the fixed broadband revenue with 3.3% uplift on year while fixed line revenue decreased. In addition, I'd like to highlight our notable international roaming revenue in 2023, which increased by 270% year-over-year and has already surged to exceed pre-COVID-19 levels. In addition to busy international activities in 2023, our popular global roaming package also contributed to the success.We covered 125 countries to offer customers with the convenience of using 1 package to enjoy transnational data roaming during 1 trip. We expect strong demand from customers will continue to drive the growth of our roaming business in 2024. CBG's income before tax decreased by 0.2% year-over-year owing to the asset impairment loss accompanied with the phaseout of the 3G network. Excluding the onetime factor, CBG income before tax increased by 3.6% on year. Slide 9 further illustrates our Consumer Business Group highlights. In the fourth quarter, our multiple-play package continued to grow on a yearly basis. The subscriber numbers of mobile and fixed broadband and WiFi service altogether demonstrated 14% quarter-over-quarter growth entering the seventh consecutive quarter of double-digit quarter-over-quarter growth.In terms of individual and home-centric applications, we were happy to report subscriber gains as well. Our video subscriber continued to grow steadily by 3.7% year-over-year mainly due to the rich content provided on both MOD and Hami Video, in particular the exclusive and award winning dramas. In addition, we observed an increasing demand for CBG cybersecurity services as the consumers have become accustomed to accessing the Internet across mobile and fixed broadband in the post-pandemic era. In the fourth quarter, our consumer cybersecurity signups increased by 19% year-over-year and demonstrated potential for further growth. Going forward, we will continue to develop consumer applications to grow both application and telecom revenue in the sector.Please turn to Slide 10 for an overview of our Enterprise Business Group performance. In the fourth quarter, EBG revenue increased by 2.5% primarily attributed to a substantial 30% increase in other revenue driven by the equipment sales from subsidiaries and launch of high end mobile phones contributing to a boost in sales revenue. Additionally, ICT business revenue increased by 2.3% propelled by a rise in project revenue, sustained growth in cybersecurity service revenue and robust expansion in AIoT service revenue. Furthermore, EBG mobile services revenue increased by 3% fueled by 5G upselling and the recovery of international roaming revenue. Although fixed line revenue slightly decreased year-over-year mainly due to voice decline, data communication revenue and broadband access revenue continued to grow.In spite of revenue growth, EBG reported a 6.2% year-over-year decrease of its income before tax mainly because of fixed voice decline and asset impairment loss relating to 3G phaseout. Excluding the onetime impairment, EBG's income before tax decreased by 4.8% on year. Most importantly, ICT business revenue continued to increase and profit margin kept improving. Slide 11 illustrates our Enterprise Business highlights. In the fourth quarter, our AIoT and cybersecurity business demonstrated robust growth while total emerging enterprise business revenues of our major applications decreased by 2.7% year-over-year due to the higher base of revenue recognition in the prior year relating to e-learning and fintech projects. Specifically, cybersecurity business achieved 7.3% growth in the fourth quarter driven by increasing service demand from our enterprise clients, climbing upward for the eighth consecutive quarter on a year-over-year basis.Furthermore, our AIoT business also experienced a year-over-year increase owing to the revenue injection from a large project relating to smart energy and intelligent buildings. Furthermore, although our cloud service revenue and IDC revenue decreased on a year base due to onetime projects recognized last year that created a high revenue base, we are glad to see our recurring revenue of these two services delivered stable growth. On year-over-year basis, recurring revenue from international public cloud services vibrantly grew by 20% while recurring revenue of IDC grew 15% in the fourth quarter. In terms of applications, in the fourth quarter we achieved a milestone by establishing Taiwan's most extensive 5G network slicing verification field in Kaohsiung to support innovation development and successfully deliver the multiple innovative cybersecurity and encrypted divided storage cloud solutions catering to the diverse needs of our clients.Slide 12 illustrates our International Business performance. In the fourth quarter, total revenue and income before tax of IBG increased about 33% and 39% year-over-year respectively. The impressive growth was mainly fueled by the growing demand for emerging business, including IDC and cloud services, from our global clients. During the quarter, we see ICT project completion and continued to find growing opportunities. For global expansion, we are glad to announce that we signed an MOU with NTT Corporation in the fourth quarter aiming to accelerate the realization of the Innovative Optical and Wireless Network service. Looking forward, we are optimistic to see the growth momentum roll over into 2024. In addition, as the SJC2 international undersea cable is expected to launch service this year, we're looking forward to capitalizing our undersea cable assets amid growing opportunities from international OTT service providers.Now l would like to turn the call to Vincent.

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Vincent Y.S. Chen
executive

Thank you, President Ivan. Good afternoon, everyone. Now I will present a financial summary of our fourth quarter results in 2023 and financial guidance for 2024. Let's begin with Slide 14, income statement highlights. During the fourth quarter in 2023, total revenue increased by 4% compared to the same quarter last year primarily attributed by growing ICT business revenue, sales revenue, mobile service revenue and broadband service revenue. Income from operations and net income decreased by 4.6% and 1.7% on year, respectively mainly due to the impairment loss of telecom equipment caused by the phaseout of 3G network and the impairment loss of investment property. Excluding the impact of aforementioned onetime impairment losses, income from operations and net income increased by 2.2% and 7.2% on year, respectively.For the full year results, total revenue increased by 3% year-over-year as a result of solid growth of our mobile, ICT and broadband services. Income from operations decreased by 1% due to the onetime impairment losses mentioned above. Excluding the onetime effect, income from operations grew by 0.6%. Net income increased by 1.2% on year. EPS rose from TWD 4.7 to TWD 4.76. It's noteworthy that both of our revenue and EPS reached a 6-year high and have maintained growth momentum for 4 consecutive years. Now move on to Page 15 for balance sheet highlights. As of December 31 of 2023, total assets increased by 0.2% on year mainly due to the increase in current assets, long-term Investments and other assets, which offset the decrease in intangible assets. Total liabilities decreased mildly on year primarily attributable to the decrease in accounts payable.Additionally, debt ratio decreased slightly and net debt over EBITDA remained 0. Altogether, we continue to maintain a strong balance sheet with great financial flexibility to fully support our operations and business expansions and swiftly adapt to fast changing macroeconomic climate. Page 16 provides the summary of our cash flows. For 2023, we continue to generate stable and solid cash flows from operations. While our operating cash flows were down by 1.8% relative to the prior year, the decrease was mainly due to income tax payments and settlement of accounts payable. Capital expenditures decreased by 2.5% on year, of which, mobile-related CapEx was reduced by 19.3% whereas non-mobile CapEx increased by 10.6%. The latter was largely attributable to greater IDC investment. On top of that, free cash flows decreased by 1.4% on year.Collectively, our robust balance sheet together with solid operating cash flows enable us to seize business opportunities amidst trends of digital and sustainability transformations and further create sustainable and long-term value for our shareholders. On Slide 17, the table presents financial results against management guidance. In the fourth quarter of 2023, total revenue was about on par with our revenue projection. Profit related metrics fell short of our expectations largely attributed to the higher maintenance and material expenses, impairment losses on the phaseout of 3G network and investment property. For the full year results, our revenue and profit related measures mostly exceeded the high-end target of our full year guidance driven by our steady growing core business and improved margin of ICT business. That concludes the overview of our 2023 financial results.Moving on to Slide 18, please see our guidance for 2024. Looking ahead, total revenue for 2024 compared to 2023 is expected to increase by between 2.4% and 3.1%, primarily driven by growth momentum in our core business. Well-received 5G services and speed upgrade promotion packages of fixed broadband are expected to continuously lift subscriber numbers and ARPU. ICT business also contributes as we expect growing emerging services to cater to customers' demands for digital transformation. Operating costs and expenses are expected to rise between 4% and 4.6% as a result of the investments in talents and infrastructure that support future business development in core and emerging businesses. Given these projections, we expect our EPS to be in the range between TWD 4.6 and TWD 4.8.As for capital spending, we budget about TWD 34 billion for 2024 as our 5G network is close to its full deployment and its #1 quality has been consistently endorsed by Opensignal and Speedtest for consecutive years. Mobile related CapEx is expected to decrease by 14% on year, which continues its downtrend since 2021 for 3 consecutive years. Non-mobile related CapEx; which consists of investments in fixed line network, IDC and submarine cables; is expected to increase by 24.7% on year to support business expansion in emerging business.Now I would like to turn the call over to Chairman Harrison for awards and recognitions.

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Shui-Yi Kuo
executive

Thank you, Vincent. On Slide 19 is our awards and ESG achievement highlights in the fourth quarter. In 2023, Chunghwa Telecom was recognized by the Dow Jones Sustainability World Index as #1 of the world-class telecommunication sustainability leaders as well as the Emerging Market Index reflecting recognition from investors for our ESG practices. We also received AA ESG rating from MSCI. In addition, we were reaffirmed the highest AA credit rating by S&P Global Ratings, continuing our exclusive leading position among global telcos. Besides to enhance interest alignment between top management team and shareholders, we are the only telecom operator in Taiwan to follow the international best practice of implementing the Incentive Compensation Clawback Policy. In addition, as we implemented an internal carbon pricing mechanism of TWD 1,600 per ton in 2023, we are delighted to report that internal carbon fee collected for 2023 was approximately TWD 1 billion, all used to encourage carbon reduction initiatives and technologies. In the fourth quarter, we also completed carbon credit procurement to further utilize product carbon neutralization. Meanwhile, we initiated the first environmental footprint standard of network equipment in Taiwan to facilitate a low carbon supply chain.This concludes our prepared remarks. Thank you for your attention. At this time, I would like to open our conference call for questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will begin with the questions from telephone line and then move to the queries from the web page. [Operator Instructions] And our first question is coming from Neale Anderson of HSBC.

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Neale Anderson
analyst

I have 2 questions, please. The first one is on revenue and specifically on the Enterprise Business Group and the emerging enterprise application revenue. So that fell last year I think because you had a high base of onetime revenue in 2022. Do you face the same situation for this year or do you think that can return to growth with a large amount of recurring revenue without the onetime factor? So that's the first question. And the second one is on the guidance for the cost increase and the investment in growth business. Are you able to give any more color on -- I assume most of that would be going to the Enterprise Business Group. But I also wonder how much is going to the International Business Group given that you're opening up in Germany and I think other markets as well. So could you give any additional comments on that?

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Vincent Y.S. Chen
executive

So thanks, Neale, for your questions. So for the first question about the revenue in the Enterprise Business segment, right? So in 2022, we have a high base because we have several big projects and for the 2024, whether we will face such situation again. So we think this situation will moderate. So for the ICT in the Enterprise Business Group, we expect it's going to grow in quite a reasonable rate. So this is for the answer for your questions. The second one is the guidance for the cost increases, right? So what we will say is, as I just mentioned in the PowerPoint, for the 2024 we will keep investing in talent and infrastructures and also we will make an investment in content because that will attract more subscribers and that will help to develop our own platforms and attract more customers and return more customers. So this is the area where we will put in our resources. So the cost in relation to content will also go up and some of the cost will go up is related to revenue, for example like sales revenue such that our cost of goods sold will also go up. And for the International business, actually we will expect the International business segment will also grow very well because we have the footprint in Europe and we expect there will be more demand from our customers from overseas markets.

Operator

Next question is from Xinyi Wang, UBS.

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Xinyi Wang
analyst

I have 2 questions. First is on EBG revenue. So I think management just mentioned that the ICT revenue in fourth quarter increased as well as the margin. So just wondering why the income before tax is holding the 3G impairment still declined by mid-single digit? And then second question is on the CapEx guidance for 2024. So I noticed that non-mobile CapEx is guided to increase quite meaningfully. So could you elaborate more on where are the key investment area?

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Vincent Y.S. Chen
executive

Okay. For the EBG, right? In fact for the ICT business for the revenue and also for the margin actually is improving. But why the overall segment profit declined? One, as we just mentioned, the 3G impairment and also the long distance call; that also matters. Also we charge internally -- we have the internal carbon fees. That also affect the bottom line in the Enterprise Business segment. So that's for your question 1. So for your second question for the CapEx guidance, right, for the 2024. So basically for the non-mobile CapEx because it increased a lot, that's mainly attributed to IDC because we have several construction ongoing. So that actually accounts for a big chunk of the investments. And also, as I just mentioned, the submarine cables and also for the fixed line network, that's also the regular items we have for the non-mobile CapEx.

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Xinyi Wang
analyst

Got it. Just a quick follow-up on the IDC revenue. So in fourth quarter, the total IDC revenue declined although the recurring IDC revenue increased. So just wondering could you give an example of like what's the nonrecurring IDC revenue?

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Vincent Y.S. Chen
executive

For the onetime because some are set up the revenue for our customers. For example for some switch office, the cloud of switch office. So that's one of the examples.

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Xinyi Wang
analyst

Got it. So theoretically for the IDC CapEx, that will bring recurring revenue, right?

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Vincent Y.S. Chen
executive

Yes, yes.

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Angela Tsai
executive

Okay. Next question comes from our Internet from Rob Lowe. Could you please elaborate more on the business plan for the German office? Does the company plan to team up with European telecom companies for business expansion or the company plans to expand the exposure to European ICT services, et cetera?

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Shui-Yi Kuo
executive

Thank you for your question. For 2024, we will continue to expand international outreach by mainly following Taiwanese clients global footprint and replicate our successful use cases in 5G private networks and smart cities to overseas market. In addition, Europe will be a new focus in 2024 as we have seen growing ICT demand from clients global expansion in Europe. Therefore, we plan to set up a subsidiary in Frankfurt to provide business support and we don't rule out the possibility to increase offices in different locations in Europe.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We have another question, which is from Rajesh Panjwani, JPMorgan.

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Rajesh Panjwani
analyst

A couple of questions. First one, you mentioned that the increase in the non-mobile CapEx in 2024 is mainly due to IDC CapEx. Can you just give us some idea about what proportion of the total CapEx is going in IDC in 2024 versus 2023? Second, do you expect the non-mobile CapEx to remain at an elevated level after 2024 or do you expect it to decline after that? Lastly, can you give us some more idea about your international business expansion? What exactly are the kind of projects you are targeting in international markets?

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Vincent Y.S. Chen
executive

Okay. So for the first question for the non-mobile, right? So actually, the IDC investment increased by about 10% and more. So that's the increase in the non-mobile CapEx. And for the international projection and targets so actually we don't disclose figures, but we do have some orders in hand. That's why we deploy our staff and resources overseas.

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Rajesh Panjwani
analyst

Just a follow-up on this. So I'm not asking for numbers. I'm like what is the kind of projects that you are likely to do in the international markets going forward? Can you give us some idea of that? And also you said the IDC investment has increased by 10%, but your non-mobile CapEx is going up by 25%, which means that investment in non-IDC areas is probably even higher. So can you give us some breakup of that? And also whether the CapEx is likely to remain at an elevated level beyond 2024 also?

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Vincent Y.S. Chen
executive

For the CapEx, right, actually the undersea cable also increased a lot. So these are the 2 big ones. For the regular like fixed lines, actually it just increased at a steady rate. As for the international projects, right, so basically we help our customers to deploy not only the CT but also ICT business in Europe and in U.S. and in Japan, in these overseas areas. So currently we cater to many Chinese clients, but also we are expecting there will be more foreign customers, clients to use our ICT services. So these are the main areas for the IBG.

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Rajesh Panjwani
analyst

Got it. And can you also comment on whether the CapEx is likely to remain at elevated level beyond 2024 or once your subsea cables is commissioned, CapEx will fall in 2025?

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Vincent Y.S. Chen
executive

Because for the 2025 and outwards, we haven't finalized the numbers so we cannot give any indication or any prediction for the moment.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

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Angela Tsai
executive

Now we have another question from our chat box. Could you please give us the ICT business outlook for 2024?

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Vincent Y.S. Chen
executive

We will continue to cultivate in our 3 major billion dollar service and in many pro-IDC cybersecurity and IoT service in emerging sectors. We also work on 5G applications and AI solutions to capture the increasing demand. And looking forward to 2024, we maintain culturally an optimistic outlook for our ICT business and are positive about achieving our full year guidance as we are continuing to see healthy order intake and project completion and we will continue leveraging our ICT capabilities to further enhance our ICT margin. And given the order intake in our pipeline, we expect the ICT revenue to deliver the positive growth on year in 2024. Thanks for your questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Thank you. If there are no further questions at this point, I will turn it back over to Chairman Kuo. Chairman Kuo, please proceed.

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Shui-Yi Kuo
executive

Thank you for your participation. Happy New Year. Goodbye.

Operator

Thank you, Chairman Kuo. And ladies and gentlemen, we thank you for your participation in Chunghwa Telecom conference. There will be a webcast replay within an hour. Please visit www.cht.com.tw/ir under the IR Calendar section. You may now disconnect. Thank you and goodbye.