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Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2022-Q1

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Stefanie Wettberg
executive

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of BASF, I would like to welcome you to our conference call on the first quarter 2022 results. [Operator Instructions]

This presentation contains forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current estimates and projections of the Board of Executive Directors and currently available information. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of the future developments and results outlined therein. These are dependent on a number of factors. They involve various risks and uncertainties. And they are based on assumptions that may not prove to be accurate. Such risk factors include those discussed in opportunities and risks of the BASF report 2021. BASF does not assume any obligation to update the forward-looking statements contained in this presentation above and beyond the legal requirements. On the call with me today are Martin Brudermuller, Chairman of the Board of Executive Directors; and Hans Engel, Chief Financial Officer. Please be aware that we have already posted the speech on our website and also the slides at basf.com/Q12022.

Now I would like to hand over to Martin Brudermuller.

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Today, I would like to start with a few thoughts and concerns about the war in Ukraine. We are deeply appalled and shocked by Russia's brutal attack on Ukraine. With each day, the Ukrainian people are subjected to unspeakably barbaric acts that cannot go unpunished. Our thoughts are with all those suffering as a result of this war. We all hope that the war will be ended very soon.

As a company, however, we must prepare for a long war with all consequences. It is exceptionally challenging to take the right decisions for a company in such circumstances. We are seeing considerable regional differences, supply chain interruptions, higher raw material and energy prices, as well as serious geopolitical tensions. In such disturbing times, it is difficult to simply move on to the agenda, but this is our task for today's conference call.

On April 11, BASF released preliminary figures for the first quarter of 2022. Today, Hans Engel and I will provide you with further details regarding our business development in Q1 2022.

This slide summarizes the current market environment for industry, customers and consumers. The overall macroeconomic environment is characterized by a high degree of uncertainty and volatility caused by the war in Ukraine, the ongoing pandemic, as well as supply chain shortages. We are facing strong price increases for all input factors. Drastically higher energy, high -- industrial raw materials and logistics costs are the main reasons for the elevated price levels. Furthermore, production and exports of agricultural products from Ukraine and Russia are already impacted and will be further substantially reduced by the war, which is causing prices for grain and food to rise globally.

Due to the reoccurrence of the coronavirus in China and the country's zero-COVID strategy, economic growth in China is softening. In Q1 2022, China recorded year-on-year GDP growth of 4.8% compared with 4% year-on-year growth in Q4 2021. This was stronger than expected by analysts, but does not yet fully reflect the impact of the current COVID-related lockdowns in many Chinese cities.

Furthermore, automotive production is limited by shortages in semiconductors and now additionally by the shortage of wire harnesses. For 2022, IHS Markit has thus cut its outlook for global automotive production to 81 million units, a reduction of around 3 million units.

To sum up, the key challenges and downside for 2022 are direct and indirect effects originating from the war against Ukraine, pandemic-related lockdowns in China, as well as the persistent shortages affecting the automotive industry.

Let's now turn to BASF's business development in Q1 2022. We had a strong start to the year and delivered an EBIT before special items of EUR 2.8 billion, an increase of 21% compared with Q1 2021. All segments contributed to the strong earnings growth, except for Surface Technologies, where shortages continued to limit demand from the global automotive industry.

In the first quarter of 2022, all segments achieved price and volume growth, again, with the exception of Surface Technologies. The downstream segments, Nutrition & Care and Agricultural Solutions implemented considerable price increases and improved their earnings compared with the prior year quarter.

I would like to add that the positive business development in the first quarter of 2022 also continued in April. Our order book looks solid, except for the automotive industry in China.

All in all, we are still confident about our performance in 2022, but have to prepare for changes in the economic environment from a possibly long war in Ukraine. We are monitoring the current developments very closely. And we already see negative impacts on the supply and prices of energy and raw materials as well as on our participation in Wintershall Dea. I will dive deeper into these 2 topics in a moment.

The war has led to a drastic price increase for energy and various raw materials in Europe and a high level of uncertainty regarding future supplies. So far, however, the supply of BASF’s key raw materials such as natural gas or naphtha is not limited. To avoid disruptions, we are coordinating closely with our suppliers, network operators and government agencies as the case may be.

Moving on to our participation in Wintershall Dea. First and foremost, it is important to note that no sanctions apply either to Wintershall Dea, to the minority shareholder LetterOne, to Wintershall Dea's operations in Russia and to its midstream business. At the beginning of March, Wintershall Dea decided not to pursue any additional gas and oil production projects in Russia and stopped all planning for new projects. Furthermore, Wintershall Dea has recognized impairment charges in the first quarter of 2022 that BASF included in its net income from shareholdings on a proportional basis with around EUR 1.1 billion. These impairments were caused by the war in Ukraine and related political consequences and concerns, in addition to the Nord Stream 2 loan, assets in Russia and in the gas transportation business.

We are sticking to our strategic decision to withdraw from the oil and gas business. However, we are aware that an IPO is difficult in the current market environment. It is not yet possible to indicate what the impact of the war in Ukraine will have on our exit as a whole and on the time line.

I will now provide you with further details regarding the impact of the drastically increased gas prices in Europe. Compared with the first quarter of 2021, the additional costs for BASF's European sites amounted to EUR 900 million. Compared with the first quarter of 2020, the increase was EUR 1.1 billion. To mitigate these higher costs, we implemented several measures. On a global scale and particularly in Europe, we have increased and will further increase our sales prices to pass on higher natural gas prices. At our European sites, where technically feasible, preparations to substitute natural gas to alternative feedstocks are ongoing. For example, our modern combined heat and power plant in Schwarzheide can be operated with natural gas or other oil-based feedstocks.

We are also proactively developing scenarios to optimize our production at European sites in the event that Germany is forced to allocate natural gas. In doing so, we are focusing on processes that are very energy-intensive or that use large amounts of natural gas as raw material. One product in focus is certainly ammonia, a key building block for various value chains, such as fertilizers, plastics and fibers, and resins and glues. We take these developments very seriously and have set up teams to monitor the situation around the clock.

Let's now briefly look at the macroeconomic environment before we turn to the volume development of our segments.

According to the currently available data, global chemical production increased by 3.7% in Q1 2022 compared with the prior year quarter. With 9.4%, growth was most pronounced in North America. In the prior year quarter, this region recorded a decline due to the freeze of the U.S. Gulf Coast. In Europe, the growth rate was 2%. In China, chemical production increased by 4.7% despite a strong comparison base. In Asia, excluding China, chemical production decreased by 1.9%.

Moving on to the volume development by segment. In the first quarter of 2022, sales volumes of BASF Group declined by 0.8%. This was due to the considerable volume decline in Surface Technologies. Lower precious metal trading volumes accounted for around 70% of the volume decline in this segment. Excluding the precious metal trading activities, BASF Group's sales volume grew by 3% in the first quarter of 2022. On a segment level, the volume growth in absolute terms was most pronounced in the Agricultural Solutions, Industrial Solutions, Materials and Nutrition & Care segments.

And now I would like to hand over to Hans for further details.

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Hans-Ulrich Engel
executive

Thank you, Martin. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Let me start with our sales and earnings development in Q1 2022. At BASF Group level, sales increased by 19% to EUR 23.1 billion. Sales prices rose by 15.5%. Currency effects of plus 4.2% also contributed to the positive sales development. As already mentioned, BASF Group's EBIT before special items reached EUR 2.8 billion, an increase of around EUR 500 million compared with Q1 2021.

On a segment level, Chemicals contributed most to the increase in earnings. Compared with the first quarter of 2021, EBIT before special items rose considerably, mainly due to higher margins in both divisions. The Intermediates division significantly improved margins in North America and Asia Pacific. Lower margins in Europe as a result of sharply increased gas prices were therefore more than offset. Improved income from shareholdings accounted for using the equity method also contributed to the earnings growth.

Key drivers for the earnings growth in Petrochemicals division were higher margins in the propylene and butadiene value chains as well as for styrene monomers. Lower margins for cracker products due to higher raw materials and energy prices were more than offset.

EBIT before special items in the Materials segment also increased considerably compared to the prior year quarter. This was mainly driven by significantly higher EBIT before special items in the monomer division, which in turn was primarily due to increased margins in the... [Technical Difficulty]

S
Stefanie Wettberg
executive

Sorry for the fault. We had a technical issue. Hans, I suggest you start with the segment you just began.

H
Hans-Ulrich Engel
executive

And that was the...

M
Martin Brudermueller
executive

Industrial Solutions.

H
Hans-Ulrich Engel
executive

Industrial Solutions segment. Okay. Sorry, ladies and gentlemen.

Also in the Industrial Solutions segment, EBIT before special items was considerably higher than in the first quarter of 2021. Both divisions, Dispersions & Resins well as Performance Chemicals, increased earnings strongly due to positive price and volume developments. Compared with the prior year quarter, EBIT before special items in both divisions of the Surface Technologies segment declined considerably. The main reason for the decline in earnings in the Catalysts division was a significantly lower contribution from the precious metal trading activities.

EBIT before special items in the Coatings division decreased mainly due to higher fixed costs and weaker margins on the back of higher raw material prices. EBIT before special items of the Nutrition & Care segment was considerably above the first quarter of 2021. In the Care Chemicals division, EBIT before special items increased mainly as a result of the positive volume development. The earnings growth in the Nutrition & Health division was due to increased margins. These more than offset higher fixed costs, which mainly resulted from higher depreciation following the startup of the vitamin A plant expansion in Ludwigshafen in the second quarter of 2021. Since the end of January 2022, we are again selling regular commercial volumes of Lutavit A. We will continue to ramp up our production volumes throughout 2022. EBIT before special items in the Agricultural Solutions segment rose slightly compared to the strong first quarter of 2021. This was predominantly a result of the sales increase. Higher fixed costs dampened the positive earnings development.

In the following, I will turn to the financial figures of BASF Group in the first quarter of 2022, compared with the prior year quarter in more detail.

I will start with EBITDA before special items and EBITDA, which both reached EUR 3.7 billion compared with EUR 3.2 billion in Q1 2021. EBIT before special items came in at EUR 2.8 billion compared to EUR 2.3 billion in the prior year quarter. Special items in EBIT amounted to minus EUR 34 million compared with minus EUR 10 million in the first quarter of 2021. EBIT increased by 20.5% to EUR 2.8 billion in Q1 2022. Net income from shareholdings decreased from plus EUR 68 million in Q1 2021 to minus EUR 797 million in Q1 2022. The decline was driven by impairment charges relating to assets of Wintershall Dea. Net income amounted to EUR 1.2 billion compared to EUR 1.7 billion in the prior year quarter. The decrease was mainly driven by the impairment charges I just mentioned.

The tax rate was 29.6% compared with 19.4% in Q1 2021. The increase in the tax rate was particularly driven by the loss in net income from shareholdings, which is an after-tax position. This led to a lower income before income taxes without affecting the income tax. Reported earnings per share declined from EUR 1.87 in the prior year to EUR 1.34 in Q1 2022. Adjusted EPS rose from EUR 2 to EUR 2.70. Cash flows from operating activities improved compared to the prior year quarter.

Let's look at the details of our cash flow development in Q1 2022 compared to the prior year quarter. Cash flows from operating activities amounted to minus EUR 290 million, an improvement of EUR 235 million compared to the prior year quarter. The improvement was mainly driven by the better operational performance and comes despite the high cash tied up in working capital resulting from increased input costs and strong sales growth. The noncash-effective impairments at Wintershall Dea are eliminated in miscellaneous items, together with the regular equity results. If the impairments had instead been eliminated in net income, net income would have been roughly EUR 600 million higher than in the prior year quarter.

Cash flows from investing activities amounted to minus EUR 579 million in the first quarter of 2022, after minus EUR 435 million in the prior year quarter. Payments made for property, plant and equipment and intangible assets rose by 32% to minus EUR 603 million. Cash flows from financing activities amounted to EUR 2.7 billion, an increase of almost EUR 2 billion, mainly due to higher financial and similar liabilities. Free cash flow improved by EUR 88 million to minus EUR 893 million in Q1 2022.

Turning to the balance sheet, where we see the following compared with year-end 2021. Total assets increased by EUR 6.6 billion to EUR 94 billion. Noncurrent assets amounted to EUR 51.3 billion, a decrease of EUR 1.1 billion, mainly resulting from the impairment charges related to assets of Wintershall Dea. Current assets increased by EUR 7.7 billion to EUR 42.7 billion, primarily due to higher trade accounts receivable. These rose by EUR 3.4 billion, mainly due to the seasonal effects in the Agricultural Solutions segment. In addition, cash and cash equivalents, other receivables and miscellaneous assets as well as inventories contributed to the increase. Net debt increased by EUR 1.9 billion to EUR 16.3 billion at the end of March 2022. The equity ratio was 45.3% compared with 48.2% at the end of 2021.

And with that, back to you, Martin.

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

Thank you, Hans. The global macroeconomic outlook is currently subject to very high uncertainty. In particular, it is impossible to predict the further development of the war in Ukraine and its impact on the prices and availability of energy and raw materials. Consequently, we are currently maintaining our macroeconomic assumptions for the 2022 business year. BASF Group's sales and earnings forecast for the 2022 business year, as published in the BASF report 2021, is being maintained: Sales between EUR 74 billion and EUR 77 billion; EBIT before special items between EUR 6.6 billion and EUR 7.2 billion; ROCE of between 11.4% to 12.6%; and CO2 emissions of between 19.6 million metric tons and 20.6 million metric tons.

We are now glad to take your questions.

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Stefanie Wettberg
executive

Yes. Ladies and gentlemen, I would now like to open the call for your questions. [Operator Instructions] We now have first question from Christian Faitz. We will then have Chetan Udeshi and then Andrew Stott.

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Christian Faitz
analyst

Yes. Can you in any way qualify or even better quantify how much of your operations in China are affected by the lockdowns at present?

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Hans-Ulrich Engel
executive

Yes. Can you hear me, Christian?

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Christian Faitz
analyst

Yes.

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Hans-Ulrich Engel
executive

Okay. Good. We have a bit of a problem here with our microphone. So that's a very good, but difficult to answer question. When going to our businesses, we have businesses in China which are unaffected. And we have businesses which are heavily affected. I'll give you the example of our Automotive Catalyst business in China, which in the month of April, and this is information from the beginning of this week, has roughly volume-wise sold 60% -- or delivered, I have to say, 60% less bricks than in the prior year months.

We have other businesses which are unaffected, because they are not in a lockdown area, because they have access to the logistics they need to have access to, and also their customers are not affected. But overall, it's difficult to quantify that effect at this point in time because we don't have the full set of numbers that I would need to qualify it or quantify it. But it is clear that in the month of April, we will see a measurable effect from the lockdowns in China. And the question now is how this will continue going into the month of May then.

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

Christian, maybe I'll quickly add on this. I mean, I think there is the general deadlock position that the Chinese government cannot really escape from their zero-COVID strategy. They would have to ask for the Western vaccines to actually milden the situation. That is a little bit difficult situation how to get out of that. On the other hand, as you know, I lived there for 10 years, and I'm quite sure they will take the appropriate measures to turn that around when it's getting really critical for China. But I think over the next weeks and maybe 1, 2, 3 months, it will be more difficult, and we will see that volumes will go down. And I think already the pictures with the ships in front of the Shanghai Harbor will also tell us that this is something that goes beyond China, because there will be also in and out of China parts missing that will have impact on a global level.

On the other hand, and that is also China, I just wanted to tell you, not only in our plants, but also with certainly many other companies, we have our employees who have actually not been locked down, taking their sleeping bag and everything they need, and they sleep in the plants, in the BASF sites now for 4 weeks. First of all, imagine their commitment is nowhere else in the world and you could not imagine in Europe. So they keep all our plants running, so we don't have any single one shutdown in the moment. But as I said, you have then certainly also supply chain. And you have to coordinate with your customers. But that also shows you that there will be countermeasures. But I think it is very, very difficult to calculate or quantify that in this moment in time.

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Stefanie Wettberg
executive

Now Chetan Udeshi from JPMorgan, please.

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Chetan Udeshi
analyst

One is, can you remind us how much of BASF's production is in Europe, in terms of production capacities or volumes? And how much of production today is in Germany? Just for us to know.

And the second question, I mean, of course, there are a lot of uncertainties today. But based on what you can see in your current order book earnings environment, can you give us some sense of are you comfortable with what you see in terms of Q2 consensus or full year numbers, which are probably at the low end of your guidance range based on current trends?

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Hans-Ulrich Engel
executive

Yes. Chetan, this is Hans. Thanks for your 2 questions. So first of all, production order of magnitude, 40% to 45% in Europe of the global production. And then if I think Germany, now this is a rough number that I'm giving you, that is 50% plus of the production in Europe.

Order book. The order book is strong, is solid, as Martin has already said in his speech. There are 2 weaker spots. The one is automotive for the known reasons. The other one is China. But as we said, with respect to China, when you read about China and the lockdowns there and you look at the order books, you don't see reflected the, let me say, intensity of the lockdowns in all our books. But that is something that may change. Other than that, the order book, as I say, robust, solid. As always, we have a very good look for the next 30 days, which reflects about 60% of total orders.

We then have, for 30 to 60 days -- or 1 to 60 days, we have round about 30% in the order book. And looking at all of that, as I said, this is solid and robust with the 2 just mentioned exceptions. And yes, we had a very strong quarter, no question about it. You can calculate the percentage compared to guidance. But I think what is important to see, and the first 2 questions, your question and the question of Christian, already indicate that. There is so much uncertainty out there that at this point in time, we simply said, we'll stick to the guidance that we gave in the end of February.

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Stefanie Wettberg
executive

So we now move on to Andrew Stott in a minute. We will then have Matthew Yates, Mubasher Chaudhry and then Jaideep Pandya.

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Andrew Stott
analyst

Yes. So Martin, you mentioned in your speech that you're looking at what you can do in the scenario that Germany is forced to allocate natural gas. And you're also looking where, as you said, technically feasible, you can actually substitute natural gas. Can you talk more about that scenario planning? Is it sort of shifting more to Antwerp and other sites? Are you building inventory at the moment? Yes, just thoughts on what you're actually looking at here as Plan B, Plan C, et cetera.

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

Yes, Andrew, maybe I'll start and then focus a little bit on Ludwigshafen. Andrew?

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Andrew Stott
analyst

I can hear you clearly, Martin.

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

Okay. Good, good. So I'll focus on Ludwigshafen, which is about 70% of our gas usage in Europe. We have about 4% of Germany. So we are the industrial users. So you see the enormous numbers here. And just to give you an indication, about half of that is actually the energy production. That means steam and electricity in the cogen plant. And then the next largest product is actually ammonia. And then it's acetylene for BDO, and then you have the large consumers. So the first thing is that we actually continue to accelerate and try to accelerate the energy transformation or transition into the renewables, because that would give us the opportunity to partially reduce the gas-fired power plant. So that would be definitely helpful.

And then as I said, the big lever is actually ammonia, because ammonia is the largest consumer, and that is, on the other hand, a global commodity. You earn quite nice money with it in the moment because it is short. But that is also something where you in the long run could think about buying ammonia, substituting on production. You could even go for green ammonia over the time, which would reduce also your CO2 emissions and then save investment costs. So these are the kind of things we are looking into.

The more trivial thing is, actually, you look on your cogen plants today and we've worked out and found out, we have some 15% of the fuel which you can substitute by -- directly, immediately by oil. So you use all these kind of levers. We have some tars. So we shift the tars to reduce the consumption. And we have actually gone to a technical limit, which is about 50% of the gas consumption in Ludwigshafen. If it would go significantly below that, it actually means that you have to shut down the site. I think that is -- I made this very popular and very transparent, I think for good reasons because, first, you as investors have to know about that, because that's a major risk. On the other hand, also the German government has to know it because they are the ones who would allocate the gas in certain scenarios. And they also know then what that means if BASF would not produce and what it would mean for the value chains.

So in Antwerp, the situation is much less gas. But there it is even more pronounced. We have about roughly 50% of the gas consumption with ammonia. So you see one of the key considerations short term and long term going forward will be actually the production of ammonia and how you arrange around that. But you see there are many levers. And I can only say we are very happy that we have the wind park already. We are going for other projects. We have the heat pump project. That will all help us to reduce natural gas. And yes, I would have loved that we are 1 or 2 years advanced. But I can only echo here what I said also in the media. It is not possible in a large amount to reduce the gas consumption. So that is something that we have to live with this uncertainty for quite a while.

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Andrew Stott
analyst

Okay. And are you prepared to build inventory if customers require it, considering all the supply chain issues?

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

Well, we always certainly look into this. And I think, as already in the pandemic crisis, the coordination and the communication to your customers is really intensified. So people talk about and know about what they need, where they are concerned. And certainly, we try to adapt our stocks over there. But I think also the customers have raised their stocks. Because of rising prices, they have been going for securing materials also over the recent months and weeks. But yes, you can imagine that we are flexible enough to adapt on that opportunity.

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Stefanie Wettberg
executive

Okay. So we move on to Matthew Yates, Bank of America, now.

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Matthew Yates
analyst

Maybe 2 questions. The first one, you've left your guidance unchanged, which is totally understandable given the uncertainty out there. But specifically on the oil price assumption, if you were to mechanically move from $75 to $100 a barrel, do you think that would impact your profit guidance? Or is the tightness in the market sufficient to pass that through?

The second question was around agriculture. You had a nice 10% year-on-year increase in profits there. But given the backdrop we have of crop prices, I'm not sure if you would have hoped for even more profit growth. Are you seeing any sort of demand destruction on the crop protection side as farmers allocate money towards fertilizers? Or is there any issue here around timing and perhaps we're going to have a strong Q2 to look forward to in ag?

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

So Matthew, I'll take the first one. And Hans, maybe you take the second one. I mean, on the first one, that is this magic formula between strong demand and pricing power. I promised you, Hans promised you in the last call that we are heavily going for price increases. And I am actually quite proud what the BASF team did. If you see now in the Q1 numbers, we have actually everywhere, even also in the downstream area, where we said we are in a delay by the pricing mechanisms, we have significantly increased the prices.

So you asked now if we're going to have this higher oil prices and then what that would mean. I mean it would strongly depend on the demand part. If the demand continues to be strong, and there is maybe shortage, and we have a reasonable or good demand supply, then actually, I think you can also live with these high raw material prices and energy prices and [ if ] [ they ] don't like it, the customers, maybe but they will pay for it.

If on the other hand the demand would really go down because we would now run into a recession in Europe, because Ukraine and Russia is 8% of GDP. And the shortages and the supply chain disruption would really take down GDP globally significantly. Then certainly, the pricing power at the absolute level where we are will be going down. I mean then the resistance of the customers will go up. But in the current moment, I would say, yes, no one likes that. But we are actually quite successfully handing over. And it certainly starts very nicely and quick in the Chemicals and Materials segments. That's why they also contributed again in this environment so much. But again, I'm really happy, and we promised this to you. We have also made significant inroads on the downstream segments to increase prices. So as long as economy is not collapsing and we don't get in a stagflation here with strong inflation and then growth going down, then I would say that has a good chance to go on for quite some months.

Hans, on the second one?

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Hans-Ulrich Engel
executive

Yes, Matthew. Happy to take your question on ag. I think with respect to price and price increases, there is a 7% price increase. We have roughly 10% volume increase. So with respect to demand destruction due to increased fertilizer prices, increased other input costs that farmers have to digest, I think there is a strong appetite going into the season in the Northern Hemisphere based on everything that we can see on the farmer side. And this is explained by the development of the soft commodity prices.

And if you look at soy prices, wheat prices, corn prices, all on an elevated level, actually on higher levels than what we've seen in the years 2012 through 2015. I think this is despite the really strong increases on input costs. That's a good background for a strong Ag Solutions business at BASF. And I think Q1 has shown that. Q1 with EUR 60 million improvement on EBIT before special items basis. From EUR 800 million to EUR 860 million comparing to a very strong quarter already in Q1 of last year is a good proof for what the business can deliver in the current environment.

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Stefanie Wettberg
executive

Okay. So we move on to Mubasher from Citi now.

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Mubasher Chaudhry
analyst

Just one left, please. Could you provide some comments around the gas price assumption that you're making for the rest of the year? Just trying to understand kind of what the impact could be.

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Hans-Ulrich Engel
executive

Yes. Mubasher, that's a great question. I mean in the month of March, we've seen, and we do the strange thing in Europe, we look at gas prices in euro per megawatt hours, and I'll build the bridge in a second. I'll try to build it to dollars per million btu. We've seen in euro per megawatt hour gas prices at a level of EUR 85 low and EUR 360 intra-day high. So that translates in U.S. dollars per million btu to something in the order of magnitude of, let's say, around about $100 per million btu high and 20 -- $25 per million btu low. Now giving a reliable gas price forecast for the remainder of the year in the current situation is almost impossible. We have a base case assumption, which I will not disclose here because a month from now, you may call me a fool because I told you what kind of gas price basic assumption we are using. But I hope that the kind of volatility that I just described lets you understand how difficult it is to forecast gas prices in the current environment.

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

And everything depends on whether we can hand it over.

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Stefanie Wettberg
executive

So we will now have Jaideep Pandya from On Field Research. And then we have 4 more participants in the queue. There will be then Peter Clark, Andreas Heine, Markus Mayer and Laurent Favre to conclude.

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Jaideep Pandya
analyst

Firstly, I would just want to understand sort of what is your naphtha purchases out of -- if you are purchasing any naphtha which is Russian origin. And how difficult or easy is it to replace that? Are you seeing any problems with regards to sourcing naphtha, or for that matter, LPG in Europe? And then sort of in light of that with higher ethane prices, higher LNG exports out of Europe, do you see sort of a tough time for the global sort of cracker landscape? That's my first question. And the second question is just really understanding what is your worst case or Plan B scenario for the oil and gas business. I appreciate you can't IPO it right now. But if you can't IPO it forever, then what would that mean for BASF?

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Hans-Ulrich Engel
executive

Jaideep, thanks for the questions. Naphtha, so when I look at the years -- let's take 2021 as a year. In 2021, we didn't source any naphtha directly from Russia. We're sourcing naphtha via traders in Europe. The Russian share in 2021 is in the high 30% range. No one can say that exactly, but if you think about the traders we are dealing with and their respective portfolios, where the ships are coming from. So that's the order of magnitude, just short of 40% in 2021.

We've reduced this in the first quarter, maybe more specific starting from the beginning of March already by, let me put it this way, a measurable amount. And the clear target is to reduce further and to get to 0 Russian sourced naphtha as quickly as possible. And our team in procurement is working on that heavily. We consider that as doable.

It's a different situation than the situation that we have with natural gas. In Germany and in Europe, you have a different market. Transportation is different. It's obviously by ship mostly and not by pipeline. So that is comparable actually to the oil situation, where it is also easier to become less dependent on Russian supply in Europe. It comes or may come with higher prices for naphtha in Europe. When we look at Q1, and there in particular the month of March, we see that our cracker business in Europe goes strong despite the naphtha prices, which are on an elevated level. I think on average, we were at $900 per ton in the month of March for naphtha. Hope that helps to put things in perspective.

On the Wintershall Dea side, as Martin said, the strategic decision is clear. We will find ways to implement that. An IPO in the current situation is extremely difficult, not to say impossible. But I can guarantee you that we are working on that, and we will find a way to implement the strategic decision that BASF has taken.

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Stefanie Wettberg
executive

Okay. So now Peter Clark, Societe Generale.

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Peter Clark
analyst

This question, I think, is for Martin. You talked about the strong demonstration of pricing downstream. And if I take Coatings, your 3.9% Q4 to 8.6%, very apparent there. It suggests to me you're even getting traction on the auto OEM side now quite significantly. But you've still got some catch up. So I'm just wondering where you see the inflection points on the margins in something like Coatings. You talked about still pricing power for the next few months. Will we be looking at the second half maybe turning on the margin -- on the Coatings side?

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

I mean, first of all, you mentioned already. And if you look on the segment numbers here, I think from the price increase, and I think we explained the Surface Technologies and the particular situation over there, all the others, in particularly downstream really did a good job, 21% in Nutrition & Care; Industrial Solutions 19%. So in the Coatings area, yes, we were able to significantly increase our sales. And rates have been rising prices due to higher raw material costs. But certainly, if you have lower number of cars produced, your pricing power is more limited. This is exactly what I said. It goes hand in hand.

And if I just take the numbers here actually from the planning from the IHS, who actually expect this is 81.6 million cars to be produced, it's roughly a 6% increase. The fact is that year-to-date is minus 5%. So with that, you see basically that lower number of cars are produced, and instead, the pricing power in Coatings is limited. They increase because everyone knows that there are higher prices for everyone. But you could not really increase to significantly increase your margins over there.

And I think in that particular part that you're talking about in Coatings, it will only come if actually the limitations in car productions are reduced, because then it's booming again. And then certainly, you have also pricing power. I think that is this magic formula which now in automotive is very clear by the production numbers. But that is going through all the different segments. But you can see actually from the past, and that is also emphasizing the work of Hans when it comes to order books and everything. It would have not been so successful in all the other segments if there would actually not be a strong demand. So I hope that answers your question, Peter.

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Peter Clark
analyst

Yes. So what you're suggesting is the auto OEM pricing is still very sluggish compared to the other 2 bits of that business.

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

Absolutely. This is the area where this is most difficult for the reasons I said.

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Stefanie Wettberg
executive

So we move on to Andreas Heine, Stifel.

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Andreas Heine
analyst

Yes. Two quick ones, please. At first, Chemicals, at least I was most surprised seeing that segment being so strong in Q1. Looking on the margins, what you see in the second quarter, how do they develop sequentially? That's the first question.

And the second, in Agro, I mean there is quite some wording on crop perspective side. But in the first quarter, the seed business is most important. Could you give some insight what you see in price and volume for your most important seed area, so canola, cotton, and vegetables, please.

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Hans-Ulrich Engel
executive

Andreas, this is Hans. On your second question with respect to ag business, and there, in particular, seed, very strong start in Q1 with the seed business, both with respect to top line, but then also with respect to earnings. So good, strong development there. And as I say, better than what we had in Q1 of 2021.

One thing comes to mind that I should have said when one of the earlier questions came on the ag business. With respect to seed, this is obviously primarily Q1 business. The remainder of the ag business, so the good old crop protection business is Q1 and Q2 business. Their timing can always play a role. That's something that I forgot to say.

But with respect to your question on seed, good, strong business, better than in Q1 of last year. And this is actually the big part of the season in Q1 for ag Northern Hemisphere.

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

Andreas, maybe a quick comment on the margins in the Chemicals. I mean, first of all, if you look on all our crackers, they actually run in the very high 90s. So very, very strong utilization, which underlines the order book and also the demand on the market. If you take then some single products, like, for example, acrylic acid, yes, margins have been coming down a little bit from the peak. But if you compare that with the 5 years average margin, we are still at a very, very high level. Same is also true if you look in MDI and TDI, where actually, particularly MDI, this is still ranging out to the areas where we have been last year.

And so that really shows that it is this underlying demand, which is still very strong and which really allows you to hand over all the increases from the raw material side as well as from the energy side, because certainly if you look into several of the products, whether this is ammonia, whether this is cyclohexane, benzene, toluene, I mean you know all these products, they've actually increased their pricing significantly. But based on the strong demand, you can really hand over the increases partially in one or the other way and really also hold the margin. So in April, margin in chemicals is still very, very high.

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Stefanie Wettberg
executive

So now we have Markus Mayer, and then the final participant to ask questions will be Laurent Favre.

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Markus Mayer
analyst

Two questions, which circle basically around this kind of change of your supply sources. You said that already in the beginning that you now focus more also on renewable sources. And my question is, given the new situation of very high oil and gas prices, has it also changed your time line for becoming CO2 neutral or switch to renewable sources like fermentation-based chemicals?

And also, this is with regard, have you also tried to get more renewable suppliers or you are pushing your own fermentation capabilities more in this direction? And that would be my first question. Sorry for that long question.

And then the second question is out of you -- had also several kind of thoughts on previous conference calls on green hydrogen, and that might become also a business case for hydrogen in general and kind of business case for BASF. Given this very high energy cost level we have right now, do this business cases -- do these business cases become now more economically sensible for you?

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

So maybe on the first one, Markus, the problem is, in general, I mean, I think we talked about this several times, there is no way that the whole chemical industry can switch from fossil to bio-based raw materials because that would really stretch all the markets and you immediately have interference with food and feed markets. So that would be very difficult.

So as we have said in the Capital Markets Day, with our example from Henkel, this is actually a customer-by-customer piece, where you have customers that are very ambitious in sustainability, and they push you, and they do projects like this. And then you try to secure the volumes. I would say, in general, for the one or the other solutions, fossil-based may be increasing faster than the bio-based. So they're giving one or the other area also a case where you could now step in. And it's actually what some of the customers do, and we take them this mass balance approaches to facilitate that.

But that I would see now a massive acceleration of that trend, I would not really say so. There's a lot of stuff going on in that every single customer's on single product lines, the most prominent and biggest one was now this Henkel part. But even after we announced the Henkel part, some of the competitors got a little bit nervous and stepped up and said we want to do similar things. But I would not say that there is now a dramatic change.

Green hydrogen, that is also a very difficult situation because, overall, that is still very expensive. You might have seen in the news, at least here in Germany, there was a study done by German government, I think, Australian partners for this green hydrogen. And actually, what they said is the full transportation cost to Europe, that would be actually EUR 6.50 per kilogram of hydrogen. If you compare that in the times before we had the energy prices rising with about something like EUR 1.8 per kilogram in steam reforming, maybe now you are quite significantly higher certainly with the gas cost. But you see how big the gap is in between this. So there is no way in the moment, also with the capital you need to install over there and to be invested, that this is really a business case where your customers pay for.

And this is why I said we are very much going on direct electrification. Hydrogen has a lower rank in us in terms of lever of reducing our CO2. And the big lever is actually the green hydrogen -- the green ammonia. This is what I mentioned earlier. That is the big volume. That is also of this 1 million tons of hydrogen BASF uses in the group worldwide. Most of that is actually used for ammonia. So you could think about these kind of projects. And I think there are some areas in the world that's getting interesting, if you have solar at very low cost, and then maybe even gas in the future where you can use our methane pyrolysis. So that is definitely something worth to look into. with respect for European operations to look in energy cost, but also the rising CO2 costs.

So that's why, Markus, we are not really super jumping now on this green hydrogen. It's in our considerations, but it's not the prime lever on our way to decarbonize. I think that is also what we made clear in the Capital Markets Day.

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Stefanie Wettberg
executive

So now I would like to hand over to Laurent Favre, BNP Paribas.

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Laurent Favre
analyst

I'll try another question on Wintershall Dea. In some of the dividend, which was statutory minimum of EUR 6 million. Martin, you said yourself that Wintershall Dea is not directly or indirectly sanctioned. I think there's been changes at the Board and at LetterOne as well. And financial performance is, well, I guess, pretty obvious to all of us. But then so I think Wintershall Dea has said that the dividend could be reinstated depending on circumstances. And I was wondering if you could shed a bit of light on whether it's related to governance, operations or something else.

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Hans-Ulrich Engel
executive

No. Laurent, it's Hans. I'm taking your question. Dividend decision was due actually, as always, end of February. You know what kind of a situation we were in at the end of February. And the decision was simply made to postpone the dividend decision to a later point in time. I don't know whether you participated in yesterday's call of Wintershall Dea. You've seen and heard then what the cash position of Wintershall Dea is. I would describe that as rock-solid. And I hope that we'll have a bit more certainty with respect to overall developments economically, geopolitically. And then we'll put the shareholders in a position to come to a conclusion on the dividend during, my expectation is, probably Q3 latest, beginning of Q4 of this year.

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Martin Brudermueller
executive

Yes. Thanks to all of your questions. Maybe just one final word from my side. I mean, first of all, I think you saw we really started strong to the year. I hope you also saw that we keep a cool head in this situation. I think this is what you have to have. As you also know that the BASF team is always at its best performance when we are in crisis mode. So be assured that we really leverage everything we can within the sites, within the regions, or within the value chains. That's also the time when you are very close to your customers. You can see that also by the response from our customers, our satisfaction on the customer level, nevertheless they have to pay high prices, are very, very high level. So for that reason, I think we are now running a little bit on site. So we have to see how it develops. But I think there's also a good reason to assume that the next month to come could actually be very strong.

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Stefanie Wettberg
executive

Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, this brings us to the end of our conference call. As mentioned at the beginning, we will hold BASF's annual shareholders meeting right after this conference call, as of 10:00 a.m. It is, again, an entirely virtual shareholders meeting. On July 27, we will present our second quarter results. Should you have any further questions at this time, please do not hesitate to contact a member of the BASF IR team. Thank you for joining us this morning.