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Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2022-Q1

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Manfred Knof
executive

Good morning, and welcome to our earnings call for the first quarter of 2022. 2 weeks ago, we had to pre-release our very good financial figures with an ad hoc statement. But it's not easy to talk about financial success while many people in Ukraine suffer from the wall. We experienced a turning point in history and its implications are hard to assess. This applies both to politics and business. But it's our job to assess risks and professionally manage our bank and, of course, to move forward with the execution of our strategy. And Q1 is a convincing proof for the progress we have made. We reached a strong operating profit despite provisions due to Russia. The strong delivery in Q1 is driven by a 12% increase in revenues, which has pushed the pre-provision profit to EUR 1 billion in just 1 quarter. On the risk side, we have prudently built additional provisions. We have increased our top level adjustment by roughly EUR 200 million to more than EUR 700 million. With this, we should be well prepared for potential credit defaults from the pandemic and the war. Despite these extra provisions, we have reached a slightly increased operating profit, also thanks to our ongoing cost efforts. Costs are on target and came in with the cost-income ratio of 64% in the first quarter. Bottom line, we more than doubled our net income to EUR 298 million and a stable and comfortable CET1 ratio of 13.5%. Before we take a look at the strategy implementation progress, I would like to update you on our Russian exposure. Since mid-February, we have reduced our net exposure by 36% down to EUR 1.2 billion, which are generally short term and well contained. With our book provisions, we cover, as of today, almost 50% of the Russia exposure. Regarding our Russian subsidiary, Eurasija holds domestic ruble deposits of EUR 300 million at the Russian Central Bank and clearing house. Further risk also arises from the equity in Eurasija. This stood at almost EUR 300 million, but more than 50% of it is already deducted from CET1 capital. We will further continue to reduce the exposures. Equally important, we will continue to support our clients in compliance with all sanctions. This is, at the moment, one of our most important tasks as a client-focused bank, especially in the German Mittelstand. Now, let me move on with the transformation progress in the first quarter. In PSBC, we achieved further milestones, especially in the digitalization and product space. As a new feature of our mobile banking app, we have launched a digitalized consumer loan. In an end-to-end mobile process, private customers can take on a loan to buy, for example, cars, laptops or vacation trips. This function is already available on Android, iOS will follow still this month. Furthermore, the team has implemented the digital account opening. New private customers can now easily download our banking app and jump directly into the account opening process. On products, we have added important offerings for our wealthy clients, as well as for our retail customers. In Private and Wealth Management, we have successfully launched a new portfolio management product that is managed on our own by 50 experts in our Chief Investment Office. In the first week since launch, we have already inflows of around EUR 300 million. In March, we have introduced a new investment management solution for retail customers called money mate. In cooperation with Allianz Global Investors, money mate has been developed as an easy-to-use and very transparent product that is attractive, especially for first-time investors. Both products apply strict sustainability criteria and support the green transformation. In Corporate Clients, we have made further progress in the development of our direct bank. We started the pilot with 1,000 clients at the end of last year. Currently, we are migrating another 2,000 Mittelstand clients towards a total of 3,000 in the second quarter, well on our way towards our target of 6,000 clients by the end of this year. At the same time, we have overhauled the digital user interface towards a new design with all relevant services. A good example for such services are powers of attorney that can be set up and deleted on. Regarding our new organizational setup of the group, we have already selected and announced all managers at all levels of the organization. And currently, we are in the final assignment process for all employees. This is also a further step in the execution of our redundancy program. Moreover, we have further built up our advisory centers in PSBC. In Q1, the number of targeted client contacts via calls and mails more than doubled compared to last year when the stuff was still in the branch. This proof of concept is also supported by the high application rate of branch staff to work in an advisory center. Prioritized applications make up for 90% of the future jobs in the advisory centers. On sustainability, we have already reached a sustainable business volume of EUR 101 billion at the end of Q1. This is well on track towards our year-end target of EUR 207 billion. To remind you, large parts of the business volume represents flow figures that start from 0 every year. Details can be found in the respective slide in the appendix. Regarding TCFD, we have aligned our nonfinancial report to the requirements of the Task Force. Going forward, we will step by step further enhance our disclosure on climate. And our team in Corporate Clients has introduced sustainable loans for the Mittelstand. The conditions of the loan depends on the client's compliance with agreed sustainability targets. So let me close with the key takeaways before I hand over to Bettina for the financials. First, we have delivered a strong financial performance across all segments in Q1. Very good client business has supported the strong increase in revenues. Second, our transformation progress is on track in all segments. Although I don't see any stumbling blocks, the transformation still requires absolute focus and massive efforts of the whole team. Third, we are confident to reach our 2022 target of more than EUR 1 billion in net result. Of course, the outlook comes with uncertainties due to the war, the pandemic, supply chain issues and inflation. Furthermore, the current proposals in Poland to soften the impact on customers from increased rates are obviously not helpful for the banking system. Nevertheless, we reaffirm our intention to pay a dividend for 2022 and have accrued for a 30% payout ratio in the first quarter. And now, over to you, Bettina.

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Bettina Orlopp
executive

Thank you, Manfred, and good morning from my side. As Manfred already stated, we had a very good start into 2022. The pre-provision profit has increased by 47% year-on-year, driven by higher underlying revenues. In particular, net interest income is up 21%. The biggest contributor has been mBank. Net commission income has also been very strong. With costs in line with target, the cost-income ratio reached 64%. While we do not expect the full year cost-income ratio to be already on this level, it clearly shows that we are on the right track to improve underlying profitability. The risk result is influenced by our bookings for expected effect from Russia and reached EUR 464 million. A significant part of this is due to the creation of a further top level adjustment. In total, we now have EUR 713 million of top level adjustments available to cover potential effects. Overall, this leads to a very solid operating result of EUR 544 million and a net result of EUR 298 million. As announced, we have started to accrue for a 30% dividend and our capital remains strong. The CET1 ratio of 13.5% and the buffer to MDA of 410 basis points gives us a comfortable starting point to grow the business, cover potential risk and return capital to shareholders. Now, let's briefly look at Slide 8. Year-on-year, we improved in all key indicators, except for the risk result, but would also have improved without the effects from Russia. On Page 9, we list the exceptional revenue items. There were a few exceptional items in the quarter was the only noteworthy being the EUR 45 million benefit from the TLTRO. This leads to the underlying revenues, starting with the commission income on Page 10. Net commission income has improved with all business segments performing well. Corporate Clients had a good first quarter, benefiting from healthy volumes and payment transactions and the FX business. Going forward, we expect this to return to the level of the previous quarter. PSBC Germany also had a strong securities business in Q1. We, therefore, expect the next quarters to be somewhat lower, similar to the development seen last year. Also, future churn could have an impact. mBank also had a solid transactional business in the quarter, which was further supported by one-off fees. This leads us to NII on Slide 11. Underlying NII has been up EUR 151 million from the previous quarter. This is driven by mBank, which has benefited from the increase of interest rates in Poland. The reference rate currently is 525 basis points and expect it to continue going up. So far, the deposit beta has been modest, as the vast majority of customer deposits below or up to 100 basis points for retail clients. With further rate rises, increased beta is to be expected. Higher rates will remain beneficial and mBank's Q1 NII is likely to be a good proxy for the next quarters. However, the Polish Prime Minister has made some proposals reacting to rising rates and their impact on consumers. The legislation process has been started, but it's too early to give a concrete assessment of potential impacts. In Germany, NII and PSBC and corporate customers was up slightly compared to Q4 last year. NII from both loans and deposits further increased. In addition to the extension of deposit pricing, the higher 10-year rates have led to beta contributions from deposit models. In Q1, NII for model deposits increased by around EUR 10 million year-on-year. If the forward curve at the end of the quarter is realized, we would expect to have up to EUR 100 million higher NII from deposits compared to the previous year. This leads us to the next slide with the medium-term outlook for NII based on the current forward rates. We have updated our Q4 disclosure on the potential impact of the forward curve on NII from deposits. At the end of Q1, the forward curve indicates that the euro deposit rate will be positive from 2023 and that the 10-year yield will have further increased. Based on this scenario, the structure of our interest income from deposits would change. We would no longer be charge negative rates on deposits at the ECB and would, in turn, no longer charge negative rates to our customers. Further, we could invest our model deposits at even higher rates. In 2023, this will result in around EUR 700 million higher NII compared to 2021, increasing further to EUR 1 billion in 2024. This scenario calculation is based on the assumption of constant deposit volume and composition and no deposit beta after leaving the negative rates environment. However, once rates move significantly into positive territory, some customer reaction and deposit beta are to be expected. There could also be smaller potential effects on the SS side, which are not considered in the simulation. Having looked at NCI and NII, I will focus on the fair value result and other income on Slide 13. The underlying fair value result improved to EUR 336 million and other income to EUR 69 million in the quarter. Corporate Clients contributed to the improved fair value result with a strong capital markets business. In Others and Consolidation, we have valuation effects from interest rate hedges and foreign currency funding transactions for the commercial business. They lead to a better fair value and an improved hedge result. We also had some positive effects from balance sheet management in other income. This was partially offset by provisions of EUR 41 million for Swiss franc loans at mBank. As last year, we expect the Q1 fair value result and other income to partially reverse in the next quarter. Concerning the tax rate, this was elevated in the first quarter with around 38%. This is a bit lower than what was expected when we preannounced our results. The slight improvement is related to the submission of tax filings. We do not expect this tax rate to be representative for the full year. From today's perspective, a normalized tax rate around 30% is likely. Let's move to Slide 14 on the cost development. By facing headwinds from higher inflation, we are on track for our 2022 cost target of EUR 6.3 billion. Staff expenses are on the level of the previous year with lower expenses due to headcount reductions being offset by higher accruals for variable compensation. In the second half of 2022, there will be a wage increase of 3% for our pay-scale workouts. We have factored this into our cost planning and targeting. Administrative expenses are reduced by lower consulting fees. We also saved on occupancy costs following branch closures. These will decrease further as we close more branches later in the year. Higher energy prices and other inflationary effects could so far be compensated by cost management measures. While we reduce our operating expenses, the regulators continue to increase the burden from compulsory contributions. The European Bank levy has again been increased substantially. In Q2, last year, we have started to use payment commitments to partially mitigate these increases. In Q1, these reduced the burden of compulsory contributions by EUR 51 million, and therefore, the year-on-year increase is only EUR 11 million. For the full year, we currently expect total compulsory contributions of around EUR 500 million. Let's move to Slide 15 on the risk result. The base risk result was only EUR 104 million in Q1. On top of this, we have EUR 159 million resulting from Russia-related rating changes and a prudent EUR 334 million top level adjustment for future expected effects from Russia. Conversely, we could release EUR 133 million from our COVID TLA. This brings the overall risk result of EUR 464 million and the TLA to EUR 713 million. The majority of the TLA bookings are from the Corporate Clients business, smaller effects in Others & Consolidation and PSBC. On Slide 16, we have an overview of the nonperforming exposures and the cost of risk. Russian-related effect increased our Stage 2 provisions and also elevate the cost of risk on loans to 69 basis points. As we have pre-provisioned with the booking of the TLA, the reported cost of risk should come down later the next quarters. The quality of our book is clearly reflected in the default portfolio, which was further reduced. The NPE ratio improved to 0.8%. In the appendix, we disclosed the risk result by stage. The coverage ratio for Stage 3 has been increased further to more than 50%. Stage 2 has a coverage of 2.3% before the TLA of EUR 713 million, which is mostly for Stage 2 exposures. Let's carry on with the operating segments, starting with Private and Small Business Customers on the next 2 slides. Mortgage volumes continued to increase in the quarter at a steady pace and as planned. The securities business has also developed well and attracted inflows of EUR 3 billion net new money in the quarter. However, the overall volume of securities under custody came down due to the market moves. We expect the securities business to remain strong. But given increased market volatility, the volume growth we have seen in 2021 is unlikely to continue into 2022. In the deposit business, we have again made good progress. We managed to increase the volume of price deposits further to EUR 22 billion. This helped to stabilize NII until rates increase. In Q1, deposit pricing contributed EUR 24 million to revenues. This brings me to the performance of PSBC on Page 18. PSBC reached an operating result of EUR 403 million, driven by increased revenues from all business units. The biggest contributor was mBank with strong interest and commission income, more than offsetting EUR 41 million provisions for Swiss franc loans. The German operations also increased underlying revenues mainly from better NII. Revenue churn has again been low. And the net 67,000 customers lost in the first quarter did not generate much revenue. Nevertheless, for 2022, we continue to prudently plan with higher churn. Customers of closed branches might exit with a time gap, especially following further branch closures later in the year. Now, let's move to Corporate Clients on the next 2 slides. In Corporate Clients, we have continued our active portfolio and RWA efficiency management. The segment maintained loan volumes while increasing average RWA efficiency to 5.4%. As mentioned on our Capital Markets Day, we expect some RWA inflation from regulatory model changes in corporate clients later in the year. This will be a drag on RWA efficiency but will subsequently be compensated. In the deposit business, we had strongly decreased volumes at the end of Q4 2021. Throughout the first quarter, we again increased volumes to EUR 90 billion. And we have maintained disciplined pricing of deposits, keeping the average deposit charge at around 55 basis points. For Q1, interest income from deposit pricing has added up to around EUR 68 million. We continue to actively manage the deposits and expect to maintain the revenue on the level of 2021 from deposit pricing, assuming no rate increases. Customer revenues have improved significantly in the quarter, leading to an 82% jump in the pre-provision result year-on-year. The improvement in revenues comes from all customer groups and in all line items. This is a proof of the good development of the customer business across the product groups. As in PSBC, the effect of churn has been modest this quarter. The planned reductions in the business with nonstrategic foreign customers was offset by more business with target customers. RWA has been stable quarter-on-quarter despite effects from Russia-related rating downgrades. These were offset by the reduction of undrawn credit lines. However, the Russia-related increase of the risk result has led to a small loss in the quarter. As mentioned, these are additions to Stage 2. They include the prudent increase of the top level adjustment of corporate clients to a total of EUR 567 million that can be used to cover future credit costs. Let's move to Slide 21 on the development of Others and Consolidation. The operating report of EUR 148 million in Others and Consolidation is to a significant degree from our hedges and foreign currency funding transactions for the commercial book. The rising euro interest rate curve and increased volatility led to valuation gains of interest rate hedges. Furthermore, basis effects of cross-currency swaps used to refinance commercial business in foreign currencies have moved in our favor. Smaller positive contributions came from balance sheet management. We also had a EUR 45 million TLTRO benefit reported in exceptional items. We will have a final benefit in the same amount from the TLTRO in the next quarter. The increase in the risk result is partially offsetting the improved revenues. The increase is mainly due to the write-off of one legacy position and Russia-related effects. The good performance in the first quarter benefited from valuation effects. For the full year, we currently expect a roughly balanced operating result. Let's move to Slide 22 on the risk-weighted assets. RWA has been stable compared to the previous quarter. Increases from the Russian rating downgrades have been offset by measures like the reduction of open and unused credit lines and the securitization at mBank. As mentioned already in February, we are still in discussion with the ECB on moving some of our credit exposures to the standardized approach. We hope that this will be approved in the next quarter. We do not own this, but there could be an increase of RWA in the Corporate Clients segment, that should be largely offset by reductions in other segments. CET1 capital has slightly decreased this quarter. Capital accretion from the net profit after dividend and AT1 accrual and from the yearly redemption of pension fund plan assets have positive effect. These were more than offset by other comprehensive income, largely from investments in the treasury investment and liquidity reserve portfolio and increased crude and valuation for market price uncertainty due to the generally high market volatility. This has led to a slight reduction of the CET1 ratio to 13.5%. This compares to 9.4% of the MDA. To wrap up the financials of the quarter, the underlying business has developed very well with a significant increase in revenues and pre-provision profit. We have prudently increased our top level adjustment to EUR 713 million to cover potential future effects resulting from risks like Russia or supply chain issues. We have accrued for a dividend as planned and we have a strong CET1 ratio. Based on the assumptions that there will be no extraordinary provisions from Swiss franc loans in 2022, and that effect from Russia will remain contained, we confirm our outlook for 2022. We expect underlying interest and commission income to increase, driven by higher NII and mBank from rate increases in Poland. We target cost of EUR 6.3 billion. The risk result is expected to come in below EUR 700 million, assuming usage of the TLA. And further, we expect the CET1 ratio above 13%, and we expect a net result of more than EUR 1 billion. And last but not least, we intend to propose a dividend with a payout ratio of 30% of the net result after AT1 coupon payments for the business year 2022, clearly provided that the transformation progresses as planned. Thank you very much for your attention. And Manfred and I are now very happy to take your questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

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Bettina Orlopp
executive

Well, it seems that there are no questions. I mean, we are positively surprised that it means that our numbers are crystal clear. We are happy to give you a lot of chance to avoid questions to us. Otherwise, we will move on and take it from there.

Operator

If you like, I can close the question and answer here on my side and restart it just to check to see if everything is coming through? [Operator Instructions]

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Bettina Orlopp
executive

It seems that we have a technical problem because there are attempts with 9 Star.

Operator

Okay. If it's okay with you, then I would reach out...

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Bettina Orlopp
executive

Yes. And it's not a positive profile. So currently technical problems. Can you clarify that and fix that? Otherwise, I would say we ask the analysts to just give the question in and we repeat the question for the time being until the technical problems are solved and take it from there.

Operator

Okay. So shall I go ahead with the first question, and Bettina is for you?

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Bettina Orlopp
executive

Yes, please.

Operator

Great. First up, we have Benjamin Goy, who's calling from Deutsche Bank.

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Benjamin Goy
analyst

I don't think you get away that easily. So it was more a technical issue. 2 questions. First, on the potential recession in Germany and second on interest rate sensitivity. So maybe you can share on the first question some thoughts around the potential recession in Germany, in particular, when Russia stops the gas? And just to put it in context, I know 2 recessions are the same. But in 2020, the German economy shrunk by almost 5%, so it was very significant. And you booked EUR 1.7 billion of loan losses. Now this time, you have EUR 700 million of top level adjustment. Is there something at least as a proxy to you? And the second question is on the interest rate sensitivity. We saw the first major banks increasing the deposit or the threshold for deposit charging. So I was just wondering in your rate sensitivity. Is it to say that the real sweet spot for Commerzbank is once we are at a 0 basis points and moving in towards 100 basis points? Or is there already a significant impact for the first 50 bps leaving the negative territory?

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Manfred Knof
executive

Yes, Benjamin, let me start and then I hand over to Bettina. I mean, our outlook really depends that we still have a growing economy in Europe and in Germany, even if it's on a slower rate right now. If there would be a gas -- total gas stop, then I think everybody has to re-rate the figures and not only us, I mean, that's clear. So -- but it's clearly our outlook based on the assumption that there will be no extraordinary provisions from Swiss franc. And then the effects from Russia will remain contained. So therefore, we confirm our outlook. And if there would be a total gas stock, then everybody has to run new numbers, not only us.

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Bettina Orlopp
executive

Yes. And keep in mind that in the lenders provisions we booked in 2020, there was also, to a large extent, a top level adjustment included, which we haven't used so far. And the first EUR 133 million, we basically wrote down again this quarter. But nevertheless, it gives you a good first indication. On the interest rate sensitivity, I mean, what we have done also on this chart where we always show our sensitivity with respect to the actual forward rates, we clearly assume that we would react accordingly. So when the ECB is lowering by 25 bps, we would definitely also lower the deposit facility fee and the direction of our clients. So that's also assumed in the numbers which you see. So the EUR 700 million, for example, for 2023 is a net number, assuming that we would not see any revenues from deposit facility fees in 2023. And it's also important to state that in our case, I mean, on the Private Client side, we have increased the deposit pricing, but still it's a small share, a small part of our Private Clients population, which is really affected by that. It's a different story on the Corporate Client side, but we always stated that very clearly if the ECB reacts, we will also react.

Operator

The next question comes from Stuart Graham, who is calling from Autonomous Research.

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Stuart Graham
analyst

I had 2. The first one is a follow-up on the recessionary question. I guess, it's for Manfred Knof. I mean, you talked to lots of German corporate customers. How would you characterize their behavior? Do you see them battening down for a recession? Or are they assuming -- do you see them assuming we don't get a recession in Germany? So that's question one. And then my second question is on the restructuring. You didn't shut any branches in Q1, and you even added a few staff in PSBC Germany. But you say that the restructuring is on plan. What are the time lines for shutting those 100 branches this year? Which quarter does that happen? And also shedding the extra 1,300 staff in PSBC Germany this year?

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Manfred Knof
executive

Yes, Stuart, on the recession, when I'm talking to the German corporates, I mean, they also feel that they all can handle the Russian situation as of now. So this will definitely have an effect but will not come to -- and will not lead to a recession overall. So if the war contained in the moment and is not any spillover effect or not a gas stop, then everybody feels this effect can be handled. So therefore, they still believe there will be a slight growth in the German and European economy. But, of course, there's a number of uncertainties around this. So -- but at the moment, everybody is clear that they can handle the Russian-Ukraine situation in the moment as of now. And that is the assumption under which we have also our outlook. But, of course, we don't know how the war will develop, and we don't know if there will be even further impact. But as of now, I can tell you that they are less bullish, but they still believe there will be a slight growth.

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Stuart Graham
analyst

And just on that, I mean, if there was a sudden stop on the gas, is it your assumption that the German government would provide support measures? Because essentially, this is a politically decision is nothing that the corporates have done wrong per se.

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Manfred Knof
executive

Absolutely. I mean, if there would be a total gas stop and then we would assume the German government to step in.

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Bettina Orlopp
executive

So on your second question, Stuart, good catch. Indeed, we have seen an increase on the PSBC side. That's due to the fact that in PSBC, we also have the mBank numbers in there and mBank increased their FTEs in the first quarter. And traditionally, the reduction is happening over the years, specifically because the branch closures are about to start. So we will most likely see the larger effects of staff reduction in Private Clients, Germany in the second half of the year. And a little similar story on the satisfaction side, where you also have a slight increase which is due to the fact that we are still increasing our IT specialists in our digital centers in Sofia and Lodz and also the further reduction, which will happen is happening in the second half of 2022. But besides everything is developing according to plan.

Operator

The next question for today comes from Jeremy Sigee, who's calling from BNP Paribas.

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Jeremy Sigee
analyst

2 questions, please, sort of both on credit quality. I wanted to continue the discussion about fallout from Russia because I think certainly outside Germany, there's a very strong expectation that the gas will be stopped or there's a significant risk of it. And also the disruption to supply chains will be a reality for a period of time. So I just wanted to get back to that question about how much adaptation you're seeing amongst your Corporate Clients? Are they already making changes in how they operate to be able to cope with some of those pressures that many people think will come? Or are they largely assuming that the German government will make it okay? That's my first question. And then my second question is, in your guidance, you're saying you expect the risk result below EUR 700 million, assuming usage of the top level adjustment. And I just wondered how you would think about drawing down that TLA at the end of this year as opposed to the needs for actually potentially even build a TLA if pressures remain?

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Manfred Knof
executive

Yes, Jeremy, let me start with your first question. I mean, what we're seeing is that the German corporates, they are diversifying and they're changing the strategy. Of course, also the German government is changing the strategy. It's simply not possible that from one day to another they can switch the coin and say, "okay, no gas will be no further necessary." But, I mean, we see huge efforts of energy suppliers and the change in the strategy and the corporates are also following. So that is absolutely clear. It's just the process which will take time. And we have also -- and also Germany as a country has reduced the dependency on Russian gas. But it will take some time, and that's what we're seeing. But it's absolutely clear that there is a process by the German government and the German corporates to diversify and go in a different direction. Are they -- yes, are they expecting that it will be difficult, yes, but there's still that the economy is strong enough and we'll be able to cope it. And as I said, if there will be an immediately gas stop and combined with other supply chain, then I think everybody has a new situation.

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Bettina Orlopp
executive

Yes. And Jeremy, on the risk result, I mean, we started the year with the EUR 500 million TLA and the guidance of the risk result below EUR 700 million and our expectations at the beginning of the year were clearly that we would end up probably even below the EUR 700 million given that we would use some of the TLA or just write down, et cetera. But we thought that it would be just a very normal risk year and now proves that this is not a normal risk year. So what we basically have with the guidance, we have the less than EUR 700 million plus EUR 500 million, which adds up in total. If you go to the maximum that we would use EUR 1.2 billion as a risk result from which we would book EUR 700 million or less and everything between EUR 700 million and EUR 1.2 billion, I think, is something which could happen in this year. But it means that -- assuming that the situation stays as it is, but it's very tough to say how much we will make use of the TLA, at least at the moment.

Operator

The next question for today comes from Hugo Cruz, who's calling from KBW.

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Hugo Cruz
analyst

So 3 questions from me. First on the -- your NII sensitivity. You mentioned that the numbers that you've published do not assume any deposit betas once you go -- once ECB rate goes positive, or obviously, there could be something. I was just wondering if you could give some color there. At what point do you think you could start to pass the rates to customers? Is it above 50 basis points positive ECB rate? Is it above 1%? What's your feeling there? The second question is around your net fair value result. I think you said that the gains this quarter could partially reverse over the next quarters. So if you could clarify this comment? And especially if you could give guidance for the full year, it will be very helpful. And then third question on the Russian exposure. You have a net exposure of EUR 1.2 billion, which I think is before provisions. So can you clarify the total amount of provisions against this exposure? And also the amount of RWAs allocated to this exposure?

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Bettina Orlopp
executive

Okay. Let me start with the NII sensitivity. So, I mean, clearly, you will not see any deposit beta until we return into positive territory. Our assumption would be that you would not see any deposit beta until you reach something around 100 basis points or so. However, we all know that very much dependent on the competitive situation on what competitors are doing. So I think we all held for a certain price discipline also in Germany, given that we are anyhow not known for most favorable margin situations, but we will see. If you take current forward rates, it just assumes that we will turn into positive in 2023. And I think, therefore, the assumption which we now have with no deposit beta is a good one. If it becomes -- the forward rates even increase further, then we should probably also would take into account some deposit beta. And you see those in Poland, I mean, they're at the 525 basis points now, and deposit beta is around 100 basis points less. That will, however, also change in the coming weeks, pretty sure. On the second one, the net fair value result, indeed, we said that -- I mean, you have seen that also if you look on the numbers last year, we had a very strong first quarter and then we had even some negative quarters subsequently. And given market volatility, et cetera, that can certainly happen. So we are while cautious on that, it's also the reason why we guide on the NII and NCI specifically less on the fair value result in other income. But if you want to have a guidance, I would say that probably a slight positive result on that one is likely, but definitely not at the level which we have seen in Q1 because we stay very cautious on that. And also, we know that in other income. There are also things like the Swiss franc booking of -- in this quarter, EUR 41 million, et cetera, come in as a negative effect. And that's why we are a little bit less clear on the guidance there. And then the Russian exposure, the EUR 1.2 billion is a net number indeed. And the provisioning was in total now EUR 500 million. It's EUR 159 million because of the rating migration and then the EUR 334 million for the top level adjustment that adds up to EUR 500 million and that you have to put into perspective to the EUR 1.2 billion. On the RWA side --. Yes. We probably have to deliver that afterwards because we are not totally sure what the right number is because we just have here an Eurasija number. So we will deliver that later.

Operator

The next question for today comes from Amit Goel, who is calling from Barclays.

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Amit Goel
analyst

2 questions for me. One on -- again, related on the asset quality. So just curious if you can give a bit more color in terms of how you calibrate the top level adjustment. So the EUR 334 million for Russia, how do you come up with EUR 334 million? And so, what are the variables within that? And is that then just for the direct Russian exposure, it doesn't cover the kind of second or third order effects? And then the second question, just in terms of the incremental mBank NII contribution, just what your thoughts are and what the potential impact is on some of the kind of Polish government cost of living measures and what that could be?

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Bettina Orlopp
executive

Yes. So on the asset quality and the EUR 334 million, so we have done a similar exercise as we have done already during the corona pandemic, where we did an asset portfolio review basically on a name-by-name basis. That's all Russian related. So it's direct Russian exposure, we went through the portfolio, took into account macro assumptions, plus also the evaluation of the relationship managers, et cetera, and basically took some, I would say, conservative assumption on what could happen. That's basically the background of the EUR 334 million. And on the NII contribution of mBank, I mean, this is why we are so cautious because in the mainland everybody believes that the interest rates will further increase, but we are not increasing our guidance on the NII because we believe that there will be counter effects, and some might be also by the moratoria proposed by the Prime Minister or also by the Fund. But in the moment, it's still very tough to evaluate the effects. But given that we have seen now in the first quarter and even in the quarter, we saw some interest rate increases. We feel pretty comfortable that the Q1 NII for mBank is a good proxy for the complete year, quarter-by-quarter, despite the announcements of the Prime Minister.

Operator

The next question on the line comes from Johannes Thormann, who's calling from HSBC.

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Johannes Thormann
analyst

Johannes Thormann, HSBC. 3 questions from my side, please. First of all, you said your guidance is valid unless you are not in the case or it's not valid if you see an extra burden from Polish FX mortgages, how much would that be? And what would be your normal expectations in the next quarters from this topic as you on the one hand, have a high provision relatively to the exposure, but a low 1 to the [Technical Difficulty]? Secondly, what is driving the higher compulsory contributions in '22 versus last year? Is this only coming from Poland? Or are there effects from European parts? And then last but not least, I'm struggling to understand your scenario on Page 12 of the presentation with the EUR 700 million impact on the NII, where it's roughly shared or not much, but relatively equal, at least between PSBC and Corporate Clients, whereas if you look at the unpriced deposits, 90% are with PSBC and only 10% with Corporate Center. So I'm struggling how you have calculated this? Because I would expect a much higher lift on PSBC level.

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Bettina Orlopp
executive

Okay. So I start. First of all, I mean, we now have seen a EUR 41 million booking for Swiss franc this quarter. I mean, I would say we can observe such a number also in the next quarters, and that would not be extraordinary from my perspective. So it must be much higher than I would see that as extraordinary. Also, I have to say that, I mean, we do the review every quarter, and our expectation is always that this is now enough because otherwise, we would always book also more. That's for clear. The second one, on the higher compulsory contributions, it's partly mBank, but limited for it, so Polish compulsory contributions. It's more on the European bank levy, and that's because of the increasing deposits, which we have seen. And given that there has been no cap or something that in there, and that's the main reason for the increase. And on the third one, the split of Corporate Clients and Private Clients, it's -- I mean, basically, you also have to keep in mind our distribution of our deposits. So we have approximately 25% where we basically just forward the rates we do not see any interest rate sensitivity, 25% are short term where you see an immediate effect and 50%, and that holds true for also parts of Private Clients, 50% are more medium- and long-term models and there you see the effects coming in over time.

Operator

The next question on the line is from Izabel Dobreva, who's calling from Morgan Stanley.

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Izabel Dobreva
analyst

Firstly, I had a follow-up on NII and the degree to which you can benefit from higher rates in the euro curve already this year. So I see that in your guidance, you've given us an update. But could you quantify the benefits already in 2022 from the replicating portfolio? Presumably, you've had some maturities already which are getting reinvested at higher swap rates. So if you could quantify that tailwind for this year, that would be helpful. And then I had a question on provisions. And to come back to the TLAs, I've seen the top-ups for Russia, but it seems like the TLAs for COVID were released by around EUR 130 million. So could you elaborate on what drove this? And what makes you confident enough at this stage to be releasing macro overlays in this point in time? Or do you consider the 2 pots of Russia TLA and COVID related to be fungible and not necessarily allocate to different exposures?

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Bettina Orlopp
executive

So regarding your first question, the impact this year is around EUR 100 million if forward rates stay as we headed on by the end of the quarter. So it has been EUR 10 million this quarter, and we assume that the effect could be EUR 100 million in this year, assuming that forward curve of end of March is coming to play. On the second one on the TLA, indeed, we did in the release on the COVID one, and that's very much also due to the fact that there are some industries which were heavily impacted by corona pandemic, think about travel industry, et cetera, which are clearly now in a recovery status. So we believe that it's not -- no longer necessary. I mean, in the moment, we have a clear differentiation between the 2 pots, I would say, between the Russia TLA and COVID TLA. However, I mean, it's also clear specifically now on the COVID TLA that is all related now also to second and third round effects like supply chain difficulties and so on. And there probably it will be at a certain point, tough to differentiate whether you have the supply chain difficulties because of the war or because of COVID. So over time it will be very difficult to differentiate. And I now have the number for Russia on the RWA, it's EUR 2.6 billion. That was a previous question. Sorry, Izabel, I hijacked your questions and answered now for that one. And I just learned that Izabel, you was our last person to ask a question. So thank you very much for your interest, your questions, and happy to hear you again next quarter. Thank you very much.