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Earnings Call Analysis

Q3-2023 Analysis
MorphoSys AG

Monjuvi's Modest Growth and Guidance Narrowed

Monjuvi's sales rose modestly to $23.4 million in Q3 and $67.8 million over nine months in 2023, reflecting growth of 5% and 6%, respectively. This performance enabled the company to narrow its full-year sales guidance to $85-95 million. Third-quarter earnings saw a net loss of EUR 119.6 million, slightly improved from the EUR 122.9 million loss of the previous year, despite lower year-over-year total revenues primarily due to decreased licensing income. The company ended Q3 with EUR 642.2 million in cash and investments, which provides a cash runway into 2025. Monjuvi's U.S. net product sales are projected to achieve a gross margin of about 75%, following raw material write-offs.

Financial Highlights and Product Performance

The earnings call revealed that Monjuvi product sales amounted to $23.4 million in Q3 of 2023, achieving a modest year-over-year growth of 5%. This has resulted in the company narrowing its full-year revenue guidance to be between $85 million and $95 million, with expectations for Monjuvi's gross margin in the U.S. to be at approximately 75%. Despite a decrease in overall revenues from the previous year, primarily due to lower licensing revenues, operational efficiencies were evidenced by reduced R&D and selling expenses.

Pipeline Updates and Regulatory Advancements

From a strategic developmental point of view, significant progress was highlighted, particularly for Pelabresib, which is posited to transform the care standard for myelofibrosis patients. Anticipation rests on the MANIFEST studies, with Phase II showing promising anemia benefits, and Phase III results are expected to be detailed in December. Moreover, the FDA's Fast Track designation for Tulmimetostat indicates a swifter regulatory review process moving forward.

Financial Strategy and Future Plans

The company ended Q3 with EUR 642.2 million in cash and investments, indicating a comfortable runway into 2025, which goes beyond the pivotal pelabresib readout by over a year. This strong liquidity position stands to support MorphoSys's strategic initiatives and spurs confidence in their ability to continue momentum into the future. Discussions on funding strategies, including equity raising or partnering ex-U.S., remain on the table, especially post-data release, underpinning the agility of their financial planning.

Regulatory and Market Dynamics

The management emphasized their preparedness for regulatory interactions, suggesting they have ample data beyond primary endpoints to present to agencies like the FDA and EMA. They have observed a receptiveness in these agencies to a holistic view of the data set, which can include endpoints like anemia data beyond SVR35 and TSS50 metrics. This could be critical since the impression among observers is that TSS50 benefits may be required for approval, though the executives voiced a belief in the regulatory authorities' flexibility.

Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2023-Q3

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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Third Quarter Statement 2023 of MorphoSys. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Julia Neugebauer. Please go ahead.

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Julia Neugebauer
executive

Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon or good morning. My name is Julia Neugebauer, Head of Investor Relations at MorphoSys, and it is my pleasure to welcome you to our third quarter 2023 financial results conference call.

With me on the call today are Jean-Paul Kress, our Chief Executive Officer; Tim Demuth, our Chief Research and Development Officer; and Lucy Crabtree, our Chief Financial Officer.

Before we begin, I'd like to remind you on Slide 2 that some of the statements made during the call today are forward-looking statements, including statements regarding our expectations for the commercialization of our products and our development plans and expectations for the compounds in our pipeline as well as the development plans of our collaboration partners. These forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that may cause our actual results to differ materially, including those described in MorphoSys 20-F and annual report or for the year ended December 31, 2022, and from time to time in other SEC documents of MorphoSys. It is important to keep in mind that our statements in this webcast speak as of today.

On Slide 3, you'll find the agenda for today's call. Jean-Paul will begin with an overview and give an outlook. After that, Tim will share an update on our clinical development work, and then Lucy will provide a summary of our third quarter 2023 financial results. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call for your questions.

With that, I hand the call over to Jean-Paul.

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Jean-Paul Kress
executive

Thank you, Julia. Good morning and good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. We are very excited that the top line results from our Phase III MANIFEST-2 study of pelabresib in combination with ruxolitinib in first-line myelofibrosis will be available by the end of November. Shortly after, we will present detailed findings from the study at the 2023 ASH Annual Meeting during an oral presentation on Sunday, December 10.

Pelabresib, our investigational BET inhibitor has the potential to meaningfully improve upon the current standard of care for myelofibrosis. Right now, we believe we have the best new molecule to treat this disease.

Our Phase II MANIFEST study showed the strong efficacy and safety profile of pelabresib in myelofibrosis with deep and durable improvements in spleen volume and symptom reduction at 24, 48 and 60 weeks. Further to this, in the MANIFEST study, changes in biomarkers correlated with improvements in certain clinical measures of treatment success, suggesting potential disease modifying effect of pelabresib. These Phase II data underscore the strength of this combination therapy and we remain very confident in the outcome of the MANIFEST-2 study.

Combination treatment is the highly anticipated next step to address the inadequate spleen size reduction, symptom control and lack of response durability observed with JAK inhibitors in myelofibrosis, the current standard of care. Our market research shows that the majority of U.S. community and academic-based physicians view combination therapy as the way of the future in myelofibrosis. The pelabresib and ruxolitinib combination therapy was ranked among the highest in top product attributes, driving treatment decisions against ruxolitinib, momelotinib and the Navitoclax and ruxolitinib combination. These physicians commented on pelabresib's impressive efficacy, and we are pleased that the combination was well tolerated and appear to have a benefit for anemia. This reaffirms the excitement we continue to hear from physicians around pelabresib, reflecting the dire need for more effective and well-tolerated therapies to treat myelofibrosis.

Moving to Monjuvi. Monjuvi, our CD19 targeting immunotherapy continues to be prescribed to certain adult patients with relaxed or refractory DLBCL. In the third quarter, Monjuvi net sales were USD 23.4 million. This represents a 5% year-over-year growth and is on track with our 2023 guidance, allowing us to narrow our full year 2023 guidance target.

Beyond its currently approved indication, the largest potential upside for Monjuvi is in the first-line DLBCL setting, which we are investigating in our Phase III frontMIND study. Data from that trial which randomized nearly 900 patients are projected for the second half of 2025. Monjuvi is also being explored in the Phase III inMIND study in relapsed/refractory follicular lymphoma and marginal zone lymphoma, which is being run by our partner Incyte. These data will be available in 2024. The strong U.S. commercial infrastructure we have in place on Monjuvi would also enable the smooth launch of pelabresib as we have encountered a large overlap in treating physicians for DLBCL and myelofibrosis, especially in the community setting.

Beyond our pivotal programs, we are pleased with the progress of Tulmimetostat, our investigational next-generation dual inhibitor of EZH2 and EZH1. In September 2023, the FDA granted Fast Track designation for Tulmimetostat for the treatment of patients with advanced recurrent or metastatic ARID1A mutated endometrial cancer, whose disease has progressed following at least one prior line of treatment. Continued exploration of this promising assets in our Phase I/II study across tumor types now with an additional lower dose cohort will inform our future development plans.

Our key partner programs developed via our legacy antibody technology platform are also progressing well. Ultragenyx and Mereo BioPharma recently announced interim Phase II data demonstrating that Setrusumab significantly reduced fracture rates in patients with osteogenesis imperfecta. Anthos Therapeutics revealed that this Phase II study of abelacimab in patients with atrial fibrillation was stopped early due to overwhelming positive results, highly significant reductions in bleeding events versus standard of care. While not central to our business strategy, these programs offer a potential upside and provide us with options for nondilutive financing.

I would now like to turn the call over to Tim to provide a development update. Tim, over to you.

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Tim Demuth
executive

Thank you, Jean-Paul. Good morning, and good afternoon, everyone. We're eager to release top line results from the Phase III MANIFEST-2 study as soon as they become available. These data will be released by the end of November. We will disclose these results here in ad hoc company press release, which will include the primary and key secondary endpoints, spleen volume and symptom reduction at week 24 as well as a general statements on safety findings. Beyond SVR35 and TSS50, MANIFEST-2 is assessing several other important clinical end points including absolute change and percent change in total symptoms score, progression-free survival, overall survival and duration of the splenic and total symptom score responses among others. These endpoints reflect the challenges that patients with myelofibrosis encounter daily, helping us to better evaluate the efficacy and tolerability of the pelabresib and ruxolitinib combination. We remain confident that the comprehensive MANIFEST-2 data package will provide impactful insights now and over time into the potential benefits of this first-line therapy for patients with myelofibrosis.

We are also very pleased that shortly after we released the MANIFEST-2 top line results, we will have the opportunity to present the detailed findings from this study during an oral session at the 2023 ASH Annual Meeting on Sunday, December 10. With ASH being the world's largest professional society serving both clinicians and scientists focused on hematologic cancers, this is the perfect stage to present these highly anticipated pivotal trial results. 7 additional abstracts on pelabresib and tafasitamab were also accepted at ASH 2023. While our primary focus for pelabresib is in first-line myelofibrosis, we see strong additional opportunities for this investigational medicine beyond this indication. At the 2023 ASCO and EHA Annual Meeting, we presented positive results from Arm 4 of the Phase II MANIFEST study, which is investigating pelabresib as a monotherapy in patients with high-risk essential thrombocythemia, also known as ET, whose disease is refractory or intolerant to hydroxyurea.

These robust, proof-of-concept results support pelabresib's expansion into other myeloid diseases. As such, we will continue our ongoing evaluation of pelabresib in ET in the MANIFEST study.

We will also initiate a Phase II study in lower-risk myelodysplastic syndrome, also known MDS in 2024. Patients with MDS experienced progressive anemia that can require regular blood transfusions or subcutaneous injections often diminishing quality of life.

Furthermore, patients have low, long-term response rates to currently available treatments, reflecting a need for new therapeutic options. The outcomes of these assessments in ET and MDS will inform our Phase III development plan. With that, I will now turn the call over to Lucy.

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Lucinda Crabtree
executive

Thank you, Tim, and good morning, and good afternoon to everyone. We're pleased to share our financial results for the third quarter and first 9 months of 2023. Monjuvi sales were $23.4 million in the third quarter of 2023 and $67.8 million for the first 9 months of 2023, reflecting a year-over-year growth of 5% and 6%, respectively, allowing us to narrow our revenue guidance for the year -- for the full year 2023.

We also recorded EUR 1.2 million or $1.3 million in royalty revenue from Monjuvi sales outside of the U.S. from our partner Incyte in the third quarter of this year. Recall that the results of the second quarter of this year included a onetime effect coming from previously deferred revenues related to Incyte's early access program in France. Total revenues in the third quarter of 2023 were EUR 63.8 million compared to EUR 95.8 million in the same period a year ago. The year-over-year decrease resulted primarily from lower revenues from licenses compared to the prior year. Recall that Q3 2022 benefited from the out-licensing agreements with HiBio.

Total cost of sales was EUR 15.1 million in the third quarter of 2023 compared to EUR 8.1 million a year ago. Cost of sales specific to Monjuvi U.S. product sales was EUR 7.5 million in the third quarter of 2023 compared to EUR 4.5 million in the third quarter for 2022.

Turning to operating expenses. R&D expenses in the third quarter of 2023 decreased to EUR 63.2 million compared to EUR 77.8 million for the third quarter of 2023 -- 2022. Also, selling expenses decreased to EUR 19.9 million in the third quarter of 2023 compared to EUR 23.5 million for the same period in 2022. The year-over-year decline was driven by streamlining and focusing of selling efforts.

G&A expenses in the third quarter of 2023 were EUR 15 million compared to EUR 15.6 million in the third quarter of 2022. For the third quarter of 2023, we reported a consolidated net loss of EUR 119.6 million compared to a net loss of EUR 122.9 million in the third quarter of 2022. Turning to our balance sheet. We ended the third quarter of 2023 with cash and investments of EUR 642.2 million, compared to EUR 907.2million at the end of 2022. This provides us with a cash runway into 2025, which is more than 12 months beyond the pivotal readout for pelabresib. Turning to our guidance for 2023. On October the 25th, we provided an updated financial guidance, narrowing the guidance for Monjuvi net product sales and now expecting it to be in the range of $85 million to $95 million. Following the recognition of onetime write-offs for raw material used in the production of Monjuvi, we now expect gross margin for Monjuvi U.S. net product sales to be approximately 75%.

All other aspects of our guidance remain the same. With that, I'll now turn the call back over to Jean-Paul.

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Jean-Paul Kress
executive

Before we open up the line for questions, I want to conclude with a few words. 2023 has been marked by exceptional progress at MorphoSys. We have over delivered on our key priorities and have a very strong cash position, allowing us to continue this great momentum in the final weeks of the year and beyond.

Pelabresib represents an opportunity to meaningfully improve the standard of care for patients with myelofibrosis, a community in dire need of more effective and well-tolerated treatment options. We very much look forward to sharing the results of the MANIFEST-2 study with you soon. With that, I'd like to open the call for questions. Operator, please open the line.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Derek Archila with Wells Fargo.

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Derek Archila
analyst

Congrats on the progress here. So just 2 questions from us. I guess, first, in the MANIFEST-2 trial, it looks like you've enrolled more patients with intermediate 1 myelofibrosis than you had kind of seen in cohorts. Trying to get your thoughts on how that might impact the trial in terms of SVR35 and TSS50.

And then also just second question, just looking at some of these myelofibrosis trials, it looks to us the mean change in TSS is highly variable across studies. This was most recently demonstrated with the Navitoclax trial, but also with ruxolitinib. So what do you think is really the main driver of this variability?

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Tim Demuth
executive

Derek, this is Tim. On the population in the MANIFEST Phase II study and potential differences on SVR and TSS50. When we look at the JCO manuscript Arm 3, we see very clearly that there is no difference in SVR response between the int-1 and the int-2/high population. Confidence intervals are completely overlapping. The data for TSS50 has not been published. . However, there is a waterfall plot in the JCO manuscript where you can derive numericals for patients with the respective risk categories. If you put then the confidence intervals around those, you will see that they are also completely overlapping while, yes, there may be small numerical differences. However, those are clearly related to the very small sample size. On the variability, as you call it, on mean change in TSS baseline parameters between different historical studies and one of the more recent ones. In our perspective, this is really within the natural fluctuation of baseline scores. And I would even say that in the most recent Phase III readouts that you're referring to the 11-point change absolute TSS change from baseline in the ruxolitinib arm appears to be very well within the range of what one would expect from historical rux control arm. If I put this together with the SVR response rates that was reported for that rux arm, which is exactly in the line of what one would have expected, we actually feel very, very confident in the fact that a Phase III is a very good replica of Phase II results.

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Derek Archila
analyst

Look forward to the data.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Xian Deng with UBS.

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Xian Deng
analyst

Two, please, if I may. The first one is just wondering if you could confirm whether you have got the data in-house or not at this moment. And secondly is on TSS50, please. Just wondering what sort of efficacy do you think that you need to hit statistical significance? Just any color on your confidence on hitting TSS50, that would be great.

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Tim Demuth
executive

Xian, this is Tim again. On the first question, do we have data in-house? The answer is, very clearly, no. We don't have data in-house. And as we mentioned in the prepared remarks, as soon as we have the data, it will be made available through that abstract press release, and we said the data would come by the end of November. Second question, confidence on TSS50 results. I would go back to what I mentioned previously. First of all, Phase II in myelofibrosis, as we learned very recently is very predictive of Phase III readouts with respect to SVR. It's a recent Phase III hitting on the decimal point on SVR response for the treatment arm and the control arm. And as we just discussed on the Wells Fargo question, also, TSS seems to be very well behaved on the rux control arm vis-à-vis historical control, giving us confidence in our Phase III readout.

Additionally, just to reiterate what we said before, and you are very well aware of that. When MorphoSys took over the MANIFEST-2 study from Constellation, we increased the sample size from 310 to 400 patients. We overenrolled to 431. And with that, we are very well set up for what we anticipate a positive readout of the study. On the last question regarding powering. We said previously that we have not disclosed the powering assumptions. That's the 56% TSS response rates in MANIFEST-2 Arm 3 and a historical rux performance within expectations, we do feel confident in our readout.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Jason Butler with JMP.

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Jason Butler
analyst

And let me add my congrats on the progress as well. And assuming positive results from MANIFEST-2, can you just walk us through the steps from that point to regulatory submissions, other ancillary studies that need to be completed? And is there anything train gating to submission?

And then second question for me is just on reimbursement. Can you just talk about the work that you've done to prepare to get patient access for pelabresib? And what -- any learnings or leverage from the Monjuvi experience?

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Jean-Paul Kress
executive

Jason, this is Jean-Paul. Thanks for your question. On the regulatory pathway, we are totally ready to roll the ball here. We've been having many interactions with the FDA and EMA as customary and as you can expect, we'll be ready to share the relevant data and the globality of the data. That's also what I wanted to insist on.

Beyond the 2 endpoints we mentioned, we have many other data sets that we will share with the regulators because it's our experience and our observation that the agencies have evolved and have been evolving lately with the way to apprehend this disease, as we've seen, for example, with momelotinib.

So the totality of the data is also something very important. We've been mentioning that and we have a rich set of data, I would, for example quote, the anemia data, which, as you know, are very impressive in our Phase II, and we anticipate that in our Phase III, will also have a very good score on that one. And this is very important to put in the package. So we will be ready to file swiftly with the totality of the data and the rich set of data we are preparing, we already have and we'll have with the Phase III, both on the efficacy and the safety side. Now on the reimbursement aspect, well, it's all based on the data. It's a value-based approach with what we know from the Phase II already, we know that we have -- we're building value here for the patients, and that's what is recognized by the payers. We will be leveraging that in our discussions later on with the payers in the U.S. and ex-U.S. And we believe that with the incremental significantly incremental value brought by the product for the patients on many aspects we've been discussing several times. We can sustain a strong reimbursement and pricing commensurate of the innovation we're bringing here.

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Jason Butler
analyst

Great. We're excited to see the data.

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Jean-Paul Kress
executive

We are too.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of James Gordon with JPMorgan.

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James Gordon
analyst

James Gordon, JPMorgan. Firstly, in the release last night, you suggested you saw the potential to meaningfully improve upon current first-line treatments. Could you just confirm that, there is confidence in a statistic benefit on both the SVR35 primary and TSS50 secondary?

Second question was looking at the scheduling for the MANIFEST-2 data ASH, can you -- have the organizers seen any element of the study result? Or are they totally blinded? And had you hoped for a more prominent session versus the Sunday session like a presidential session or anything like that?

And then third and final, just on funding. Assuming MANIFEST-2 does deliver and hopefully it does. How are you thinking about next funding steps of the company? So would you partner in some geographies or you'd raise equity? What would you do to fund some of the things you were laying out in the presentation?

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Tim Demuth
executive

James, this is Tim again. So the study has the primary endpoint of spleen volume reduction and a secondary endpoints. We're looking at the improvement in symptomatology and of course, they are connected to a P value. On the question of the ASH manuscript, as you see or the ASH abstract rather. We submitted the abstract as it appeared just very recently, so without data, which is highly unusual for ASH, as you know, to accept a data-free abstract. And for that, we are very, very pleased to have gotten a oral presentation. And what counts for us is the opportunity to be able to share this data in an oral format with the scientific community and again, basically we have gotten that opportunity from ASH.

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Jean-Paul Kress
executive

On the partnering and financing question, James. So the great thing we still have received, and this is why we were so keen on acquiring Constellation at the time, 2021 either this is not -- it's not tied to any previous partnership that the company actually was thinking doing. So we have the whole slate.

That being said, after the data, we will think about what kind of deployment we want. We are really in the U.S. The intention is to commercialize ourselves in the U.S. We have an experience Monjuvi organization with a very strong overlap with the myelofibrosis treaters. So this is very important, very different situation when we launched Monjuvi 4 years ago. So we'll see. But you can always imagine the nondilutive possibilities for partnering ex U.S. or these kind of things. So more to comment on that. It will be a great problem to have when we have the data. And the financing, I'll pass on to Lucy.

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Lucinda Crabtree
executive

James, of course, the priority is to ensure we continue to retain a strong balance sheet in the future. That in turn, obviously, is important to make sure we continue to deliver value. And as you might expect, we'll continue to weigh all appropriate funding options available to us, and we'll update as and when it when we can.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from the line of Philippa Pritchard with Morgan Stanley.

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Philippa Pritchard
analyst

Just a couple for me, please. So firstly, on the MANIFEST-2 end points, you mentioned that there are other endpoints such as absolute TSS, PFS, et cetera, that would be important to look at alongside TSS50 and SVR35.

And I know that it's been mentioned before that the totality breadth and depth of data are important to look at and consider, amongst other things. But the impression so far has been that a statistic TSS50 benefit needs to be seen for approval. So could you please expand on and remind us how flexible you believe regulatory authorities may be in the event that TSS50 may not be that big?

Secondly, just a question related to Slide #7, where you mentioned that 13% of U.S. physicians were hesitant to utilize pela. Did they give any reason as to why they were hesitant? Was it cost? Was it efficacy? If you could give some color on that?

And then a final one to squeeze in, just related to the question before on partnering. If you could let us know what you would look for in an ideal partner, should you choose a partner that would be very useful?

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Jean-Paul Kress
executive

Philippa, thanks for the questions. So on the first one, on the evolving landscape of myelofibrosis, including for the regulators, it's old stuff with this very high unmet medical need with the same current standard of care for decades now and the appetite for new options and again, as we've said several times. And we hear consistently the combination in first line is the #1 opportunity to improve the standard of care here. That's very important for all stakeholders, including the regulators and the agencies. . And based on our ongoing interactions, our experience, the recent approvals we've observed even with mixed clinical trial results. This tells us that regulators will look at the totality of the data, inclusive of efficacy and safety results, very important to keep in mind.

Now on the market research question and the physician feedback, we've been -- we had a couple of those market research along the way since we acquired Constellation. And the great thing is that it has really, really able from 2 or 3 years ago when there was the novelty factor about combination. People were still a bit wondering how they would -- if they would do that first line.

And now we have an overwhelming number of physicians, more than 80%, both in community hematology and academic setting who are ready for the combination first line, which is great and show how we have been imprinting the space with our engagements based on our Phase II data. Your last question on partnering, again, here, when you partner, you let value go. You have to be very cautious here. I mean, we have the whole slate right now. So it's a great position to be in. Then we will know more later. And again, if partnering would come in the discussion, I mean, this is probably more for ex-U.S. because we believe that we have what we need in the U.S. But we'll keep you posted on this one.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Manos Mastorakis with Deutsche Bank.

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Manos Mastorakis
analyst

Just quickly wanted to clarify. If you could give a bit more color actually how important you think it is to show both SVR35 and TSS50. So would an extremely positive outcome on one end point mitigate lower efficacy outcome on the other endpoint? And also commercial one. So given the synergies in the sales force with Monjuvi and pelabresib. In a scenario of ideal positive results, would you expect to see further investment into the sales force? And thus, could we make an argument that Monjuvi sales could potentially benefit as a result?

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Tim Demuth
executive

Manos, this is Tim. As Jean-Paul stated, based on the discussions with the regulators, the assumption is SVR35 and symptom improvement are important points that we look at. Ongoing interactions and experience from recent approvals in the myelofibrosis space is mixed results certainly tell us that regulators really appreciate the unmet needs in this patient population and that's what they're responding to. In addition to spleen volume and symptomatology, we are also looking in the study as the changes absolute as well as percent change in symptom score. We're looking at PFS, overall survival. And as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, duration of spleen and symptom response and we are confident that the comprehensive data set that we will be able to share at the time will really demonstrate and underscore the potential of the combination therapy to regulators.

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Jean-Paul Kress
executive

On your question 2 regarding sales force synergies. As mentioned, there is a very high overlap between the treaters, more than 80%, especially in the community hematology side. So we would most likely need to do some incremental investments to have the right share of voice and be just at the level of the opportunity here. But we're not going to start from scratch. It's qualitative and quantitative, qualitatively because we already know the targets. And we have the relationships and the engagements well-oiled. And also quantitative because it's not going to be a full buildup, which would require more OpEx. And you asked about the Monjuvi benefit. Well, for sure, it's positive because you will have our reps out there and our medical affairs people having 2 products, which means a franchise, which means more commitment to our hematology and with these 2 products on the market, we would definitely be as a leader, which is virtuous.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question. I hand back to you, Julia Neugebauer for closing comments.

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Julia Neugebauer
executive

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. If any of you would like to follow up, MorphoSys Investor Relations team is available for the remainder of the day. Once again, thank you for joining. Have a great day, and goodbye.