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Earnings Call Analysis

Q2-2024 Analysis
Verbio Vereinigte Bioenergie AG

VERBIO's Mixed Performance and Guidance Downgrade

VERBIO reported their first-half group EBITDA at EUR 75 million, a significant drop from the previous year's EUR 170 million, primarily due to a decrease in the biodiesel segment's contribution and additional fixed costs of EUR 20-30 million. Despite the challenges, the company maintained a high equity ratio of 69.3% and an investment in growth projects of EUR 100 million against a net debt of EUR 14 million. Q2 EBITDA was EUR 26 million, a decrease from Q2 of the last year's EUR 49 million, with affecting factors including a 30% decline in biodiesel prices and lower sales. Bioethanol volumes rose, attributed to acquisitions and improving efficiencies, but faced headwinds from low greenhouse gas quota prices and increased competition from imports. The EU's potential retrospective application of provisional tariffs on Chinese biodiesel imports and Germany's increased biofuel obligations may provide short-term boosts. However, given the lower than expected Q2 results, VERBIO downgraded its EBITDA guidance for the running year.

Repeat Performance Amid Expanding Horizons

VERBIO SE, a prominent player in the biofuel industry, marks the halfway point of FY 2023-2024 demonstrating formidable production volumes with an eye on expansion. While Europe remains its stronghold of stable operations, the firm has dared to venture westward, acquiring South Bend Ethanol in Indiana to catalyze volume increases. Despite soaring production, the EBITDA of €75 million falls short of yesteryear's €170 million peak, shadowed by the extraordinary biodiesel bonanza of the prior first quarter.

Navigating a Dynamic Market Landscape

The financial narrative of VERBIO unveils mixed results, with a Q2 EBITDA dipping to €26 million from the previous year's €49 million. The culprit? A tumultuous biodiesel market that saw European prices spiral alongside questionable biodiesel inflow from China. As these prices dipped, VERBIO continued to scale operationally, bolstering volume via the South Bend Ethanol acquisition. Yet, the sweet taste of enhanced efficiency did little to balance the scales against diminished bioethanol prices influenced by a saturated market and Brazilian competition.

Strategic Governance amid Fluid Market Dynamics

A steely gaze into the future hints at a rebound—a meticulous dismantling of deceptive Chinese imports alongside a climb in Germany's mandated biofuel quotas stirs optimism. This regulatory tenacity couples with VERBIO's robust financial posture, with an equity ratio standing tall at 69.3% despite significant growth pursuits marked by almost €100 million in capital ventures.

Forecasting Financial Winds

Adjusting sails to the capricious winds of the biofuel market, VERBIO prudently recalibrates its forecast for the rest of the fiscal year, anchoring this revision in the unpredictability of bioethanol prices and the volatility of greenhouse gas quota rates. The previous expectations, clouded by faltering sales and sluggish price recovery, give rise to a more conservative projection. Investors are encouraged to hold fast as VERBIO navigates this challenging interim with an outlook of recovery and growth on the horizon.

Earnings Call Transcript

Earnings Call Transcript
2024-Q2

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Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to today's earnings call of VERBIO following the publication of the half year figures of 2023, 2024. The CEO, Claus Sauter; and the CFO, Olaf Troeber will speak in a moment and guide us through the presentation and the results. And as always, we will move on to our Q&A session afterwards. So with this, yes, let's jump straight into the presentation. Mr. Saute, the stage is yours.

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Claus Sauter
executive

Thank you very much. Mrs. Malok. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to our earnings call for the first half year results from VERBIO SE. I'm here with Olaf Troeber, our CFO, and we will cover our first half year and the Q2 of our running fiscal year 2023, 2024. As always, we will also give you an update on what is new and what moves us forward for the rest of the business here. So let me start an overview of our key figures in the first half. So first, we are pleased that we were able to continue to deliver strong production volumes, especially in Europe. This shows that our processes are running smoothly and stable. Thanks to our technology, we can operate all the around setting us apart from competitors, especially in the biodiesel and HVO space. The bioethanol volume increase was mainly driven by the acquisition of South Bend Ethanol in Indiana. Despite the increase in volumes, group EBITDA for the first half reached close to EUR 75 million, down year-on-year from EUR 170 million. The main reasons therefore are in the first half of last year, we still benefited from exceptional contribution of the biodiesel segment. We made more than EUR 90 million in the first quarter alone with our biodiesel, which was, of course, very beneficial cash-wise. But the flip side is that these are tough comparables that we have to compare ourselves to. Meanwhile, we are setting up for further growth, which led to EUR 20 million to EUR 30 million additional fixed costs year-on-year in the first 6 months alone, considering that our European operations still have to cover all the growth investments mainly in the United States and that we are facing short-term headwinds in the European biofuel market, the results are solid, in my view. Net debt came in at EUR 14 million investments in growth projects of close to EUR 100 million weighted against our positive operating cash flow. Still, our equity ratio continues to be stable on a high level at 69.3%. Let me hand over now to Olaf for the detailed segment result. Olaf, go ahead, please.

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Olaf Troeber
executive

Thank you, Claus, and a warm welcome also from my end. Now let's look at the Q2 results in more detail. The chart shows the EBITDA bridge from Q2 '22, '23 to 23, 24 left to right. What stands out most is that the biodiesel segment has protected our earnings for all shown quarters here, including Q1 '23, '24. In the quarters that are not pictured dynamics to quite the opposite, underpinning the beauty of our diverse product portfolio, as mentioned before. Overall, we posted an EBITDA of EUR 26 million in Q2 '23, '24, down from EUR 49 million in Q2 last year and sequentially. But let us dive a bit deeper and look at the key drivers. While we managed to grow our production year-on-year, sales came down by 30% year-on-year. The main reason for the sales development in the biodiesel segment were the lower biodiesel prices in Europe compared to the same quarter of the previous year. The price decline year-on-year was caused not only by lower feedstock prices, but also by electrically incorrect, cleared biodiesel and HVO imports from China. Our EBITDA came in at approximately EUR 29 million, the attractive but still overall lower absolute product margin due to slightly lower sales volumes year-on-year was additionally burdened by the low gleanhouse gas quota prices. Market spreads, and that respect biodiesel prices per tonne, minus seed oil prices per ton are below previous year spreads. Decline in biodiesel prices linked to a generally lower energy complex, mainly on the back of the overall lower economic activity and lower feedstock prices as you see here from the chart. Bioethanol biomethane segment. Now let's move to the ethanol and RNG, altogether the Bioethanol segment. Volumes increased mainly thanks to the acquisition of South Bend Ethanol in May last year, but also further efficiency improvements here in Europe. With these revenues are up despite lower ethanol sales prices in Europe. Product margins increased year-on-year, thanks to lower crane purchase prices. Improved margins could not be fully compensated for the burden of start-up costs for VERBIO projects in the United States and adjustments in the valuation of inventories due to lower greenhouse gas quota prices. Spreads improved year-on-year due to more favorable crane prices, average ethanol prices were below prices in the previous year. Decline in bioethanol prices throughout the quarter was linked to larger-than-expected imports of bioethanol recently, especially from Basel. These volumes led to an increase in stocks and Rodes done. The results the result is a price drop of around 30%. Fossil crude oil and fossil products are currently too cheap to increase consumption of ethanol at gas stations in Brazil. Geopolitical tensions in the Middle East remain a significant risk factor for global oil supplies. Nevertheless, the effect on oil prices formation has so far been very limited. What is positive for the pricing, the production capacity for bioethanol is already been withdrawn from the market in Europe, some of the production capacity. Nevertheless, the low greenhouse gas coater prices are slowing the recovery of bioethanol prices. Why? Because there is no need for oil majors to exploit the maximum plant walls for liquid biofuels. That means for biodiesel and bioethanol. Claus, I hand over to you.

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Claus Sauter
executive

Thank you very much. So on this slide, Page 9, you can see the development of the quota prices from October 2022 to January 2024. You can see that we came from close to EUR 500 per tonne of CO2 savings down to EUR 100 million, EUR 150. This is a significant decline. It looks a little bit like a hangover after the very high prices in -- at the end of 2022. So in 2022 and 2023, the oil companies in Germany were able to create a buffer of approximately 6 million tonnes of CO2 savings through allegedly mislabeled biodiesel from China, which roughly correspond then to 30% of the saving targets to 2024. So the phase out, and that will show the next slide, the phaseout of likely fraudulent biodiesel imports from China and higher greenhouse gas saving targets will support quota prices. What does it mean? We see now after a decrease in imports from China on the one hand side. And on the other side, especially in Germany and in other European countries in 2024 the biofuel obligations, the greenhouse gas reduction quota, especially in Germany rose by 1.25%, which is about 1.6 million tonnes of additional CO2 savings, which are needed for 2024. So on the one hand side, higher obligations on the one hand side, a significant decrease in imports. Potentially, we have there some short-term catalysts because the EU announced after they published their investigation that elimination of fraudulent quotas can be retrospectively possible. Our next slide. So that chart shows how was the development of the biodiesel imports. So in 2022, 2022, there were always imports, but the amount was in the average about 75,000 to 100,000 tonnes. It rose extremely by the end of 2022. And in January 2023, we had a hike at 250,000 tonnes per month. So now when the anti-circumvention investigation in August started, especially from Hainan and Ireland in the Chinese Sea, these exports where we highly think that it was imported palm oil [Indiscernible] from Indonesia, these export came down to 0. With this success of the European Biodiesel Board who requested the investigation now focuses on the second investigation because there was now a second investigation launched. It was published by the European Commission in December, an unpeel-dumping investigation with provisional tariffs on Chinese biodiesels and these provisional tariffs we expect for July 2024. And as I said before, there is also a chance that these provisional tariffs can be drawn retrospectively to the announcement back to December 2023. So then let's head over to our guidance. The guidance could cut -- our guidance cut reflects short-term headwinds. So the last -- in the last earnings call, I said that we expect for the second quarter to have a result at least at the same level as the first quarter. As the backwardation in ethanol continue to slide sideways. Instead, our EBITDA came down below Q1. And as I explained earlier, bioethanol and greenhouse gas quota prices remain under pressure. I didn't expect that it takes longer. What we see now, actually, last weeks now storage capacity or storage in Rotterdam, especially with ethanol is coming down. And immediately, we see an increase in prices, but it took longer than we expected. Hence, we reduced our guidance for the running year. So while in the short term, the market disruptions represent a burden, in the medium to long term, our strategy will have a positive impact on the company's success in view of increasing greenhouse gas quota obligations in Germany and growing global demand for green molecules. When I say market disruptions, just to give you a feeling, we were talking -- or we are talking about approximately 2 million tonnes of product coming from China. Not everything is fraudulent, but a significant share. And 96% of these exports from China are heading into Europe, 96%. So speaking of the global demand let's -- yes, the guidance is there. Now let's come to the next. In the U.S., there is no China fake biofuel. The reaction of EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency when they saw that there is, yes, some increase in imports reacted very fast. So if I'm speaking now about our investment in the United States, and here, you can see a picture of our plant in Nevada, the global demand of green molecules is still increasing. And yes, we are facing big interest, especially on green renewable natural gas in Nevada. As you know, commission and how we published it, the commissioning started at our Nevada plant at the end of 2023. And we said that we would expect more significant volumes from spring 2024 onwards. But during the commissioning phase, some quality issues were detected with the sulfur separation containers that were provided by American suppliers. And this is really a pity situation because we are producing nearly 2 years renewable natural gas at this location, feedstock is corn stover. So all the equipment which is needed to produce and clean up renewable natural gas and feed it into the pipeline is already there. The only thing what was missing was the sulfur separation. And yes, we ordered that equipment, which is our own technology and our own engineering from an American company, and that was exactly the problem for the start-up. So the last 2 months at minus 30 degrees Celsius, we were not able to do something because we are dealing with liquids and at minus 30 degrees, it is really difficult. So this week, with reasonable temperatures, we tried to fix these sulfur separation equipment. But parallel, we ordered already in January, the same equipment, what we are using in Germany. So now there are 2 possibilities. One is that we are able to fix the containers in the U.S. and that we will know during the next 2 weeks. Then we can continue our plan to start up the plant, and we will see the first amount in spring. If we have to wait on the import for the German equipment, it can take 2 months longer. So we would see the first larger volumes in summer. So we will keep you informed. Nevada has apart from stopping the fraudulent imports from China and hopefully, reaction on the quota prices. Nevada has the biggest priority which is not only that we want to start the production there. It has also a strategic priority to show that we are able to do the same what we are doing in Germany to produce ethanol and renewable natural gas in one plant. Next slide. So all of our strategic projects are progressing Apart from the U.S. investment, strategic projects are our special chemicals and the groundbreaking ceremony for the specialty chemicals production facility in our German biodiesel plant in Bitterfeld is expected for spring 2024. And we also expand our retail gas station network in Germany. To sum it up, while there are broader factors that may drive volatility in the market, we remain focused on things that we can control. This includes operating our assets efficiently and maintaining capital discipline by responsibly investing in our growth projects. So thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, for your attention. And now I want to hand over to Sara MaloK to manage the Q&A session. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you so much, Mr. Sauter and Mr. Troeber for your kind presentation. So we will now move on to our Q&A session in which you will be allowed to ask your question. [Operator Instructions] And we already received the first question from Tim. So please go ahead and ask your questions.

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Thomas Schießle
analyst

My question would be, could you elaborate on the cost headwinds that you talked about. I think you said EUR 20 million to EUR 30 million in the first half of the year. Maybe I got that right. Could you give us a bit more detail? How much came from the inventory revaluation? How much came from the ramp-up in South Bend? And then also what you expect in the -- what kind of cost headwinds from these, do you expect in the second half of the fiscal year?

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Claus Sauter
executive

Yes. Olaf, would you take the first part of this question, especially about the EBITDA and then I take over about what we expect further?

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Olaf Troeber
executive

Okay. Yes. In line with the organic growth of VERBIO, the first significant increase is with respect to the labor costs. As I recall it, correct alone in the first half of this financial year, costs increased by approximately EUR 10 million. The revaluation, as mentioned before, is approximately EUR 16 million with respect to the overall stocks and store and goods we have in storage for VERBIO. So it's altogether a small figure, but still a substantial figure. Claus, will you elaborate further on SPE or shall I go for that?

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Claus Sauter
executive

No, I take over. So the EUR 20 million to EUR 30 million, what you mentioned, Tim, is correct. Some came from the down writing, as Olaf mentioned. On the other hand, our U.S. that is coming from the U.S. mainly, the EUR 20 million to EUR 30 million and 2 things which are important. The first thing is that the South Bend Ethanol plant is not performing like we expected. The idea is to do there also RNG production. But anyway, we are able to run the plant in the existing setup that at least we are not losing money. But the plant was owned by a former trading company. So absolutely no technical know-how also with the team. So yet we were not able to have continuous production because this is the first step. It's not only the combination with RNG, it's also our ability to run the plants differently like U.S. companies are doing it, but there are still always every month, some technical hiccups, let's say, stupid things, what we do not have in our German plants. And that causes production losses of 1 million, 2 million gallons every month, where we have no margin and related to our fixed cost position, we are losing money. So why I don't think we are not facing this in the second half, first of all, the winter period is always difficult for ethanol production because there is no driving season in the U.S. margins are squeezed, and now we are heading into summertime, spring, summer, the driving season in the U.S. starts. Gasoline consumption goes up, ethanol demand goes up and usually also the margins. So the combination is now we are heading into a better margin situation in the U.S., and we are doing progress in our technical fit-ups to ensure that we are coming up on a stable process near to nameplate capacity. Nameplate capacity right now is between 7 million and 8 million gallons per month, which is about 20,000 cubic meters, something like this 15,000 to 20,000 cubic meters.

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Thomas Schießle
analyst

Okay. Maybe a follow-up. Now you're starting to ramp Nevada, and you said you've been having some issues with the sulfur. Now let's assume the ramp starts for real in summer, so the later date? And then how quickly do you think can you achieve a satisfactory utilization rate? I mean, how many months is that going to take? What is your plan in this regard?

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Claus Sauter
executive

Well, the plan was at least for commissioning, starting up and getting into full production, we usually take 1 year. So that would mean we expected full utilization at the end of 2024. So at least, we are now talking about 3 months, minimum more 3 to 6 months. That would mean nameplate capacity spring 2025 or summer 2025.

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Thomas Schießle
analyst

Okay. And my last question regarding your renewable natural gas. I mean you disclosed your production, but is production equal to what you're selling in the market at the moment? Or are you keeping a lot in inventories, especially regarding the CO2 certificates?

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Claus Sauter
executive

Well, right now, yes, well, RNG volumes, let's say, we are in the market. We have some ideas where the quota prices should be. But just to give you a feeling, we are talking about approximately 450,000 tonnes of CO2 savings approximately and about 850 gigawatt hours of gas, what we have into the grid. So with the gas, what we have in the grid with our growth in LNG filling stations, the plan is to decrease this volume to bring more molecules in the market. That would mean at the first step that our CO2 saving is growing because once it's in the filling station, we are realizing the CO2 savings. And our strategy to bring CO2 savings in the market is dependent on the further development. As I mentioned during the presentation, if the EU is really considering to withdraw or let's say, to put there the antidumping duties on the volumes, which had it already into the EU, there would be some short-term impact. So right now, we are observing the market and the development of the quotas. We see already a slow recovery because the volumes came down. But right now, it's not the right time to go with big volumes of CO2 savings into the market. The oil companies have to fulfill their 2023 obligation and to fix it until the end of March. So let's see what is really additional demand in the market and what amount of quotas we can supply to obligated parties. But this is the status quo, approximately 450,000 tonnes of CO2 savings and 850 gigawatt hours of gas.

Operator

So we will now move on with the questions from Niklas.

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Niklas Becker
analyst

Niclas Becker from Deutsche Bank. A couple of questions from my side as well, please. Concerning your new guidance, could you please quantify the level of the spreads you foresee for H2? And also, have you made any changes to your quota assumptions, i.e., depending on where the price side...

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Claus Sauter
executive

Just a second. You said the spreads as of H2. It's not hydrogen. It's the second half. Okay, sorry.

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Niklas Becker
analyst

So could you just clarify whether you've made any changes to your spread assumption for H2?

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Claus Sauter
executive

No. So we were now calculating, and I think you also see it now on the Q2 result. We are calculating with the actual CO2 prices with the forward curve on ethanol, which came already up a little bit the last days. And we expect that the spread for RME [Indscernible] will continue for the rest of the year of the business year.

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Niklas Becker
analyst

At what levels or what kind of are you talking about?

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Claus Sauter
executive

Forward curve, the forward curve.

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Niklas Becker
analyst

All right. That's very helpful. And then a question also regarding the quota. During Q2, how much volume of products have you actually sold? Can you just clarify that, please?

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Olaf Troeber
executive

Actually, it's related to our contracts. And we are not going to disclose.

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Claus Sauter
executive

And finally, we cannot do it. Let me explain. There is a standard CO2 saving for biodiesel ethanol, which is about 65% compared to fossil fuels. So the standard is 65. But our contracts are different. We have contracts with 80% with 90% even with 110% CO2 savings. So for example, we sell ethanol and we guarantee our customers that with the amount of ethanol, we are delivering 120% of CO2 savings. So 110% of CO2 savings is not possible. And with a different -- and the CO2 efficiency of ethanol, the same with biodiesel is related to the CO2 fright what we are getting in with the feedstock, which is also permanently floating. So that means we guarantee our customer 110% CO2 savings. Then we are making the calculation based on our feedstock because that is the highest contribution. And then we see how much additional volume we need to supply to our customer to ensure this 110%. So I cannot tell you. What I can tell you is that we were not selling big volumes, CO2 savings really on the free market because this didn't happen yet. This is now happening until the end of March because now the oil companies are making their calculation, they look how much CO2 savings they have on their book. They have their expectation where it will go 2024, 2025. And then they ask us if we are able to contribute more CO2 savings and then it's a question of price.It's not the right timing to ask this question. So you should ask now after the Q3 call and then we can tell you, yes, how much we were selling at additional prices. But what I can also tell you is that -- our price is what we are getting for the CO2 savings, which are linked to our liquid contracts are higher than the level what you have seen on the pure quota market. And don't ask me exactly the number because this, I cannot tell you, but it is significant.

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Niklas Becker
analyst

Okay. Appreciate it. And then just one last question. Back in the first quarter, we also discussed about your contract fixing for the calendar year 2024, and you said that negotiations actually took longer than usually. I suppose they now have finally concluded. And I just have the question, could you clarify how much of the order volumes for 2024, you have fixed at certain prices? And how much of that is actually flowing?

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Claus Sauter
executive

Okay. First of all, we were able to fix all the amounts, the volumes, ethanol and biodiesel, what we wanted to fix. So let's say, from this point, we are out-sold. But we have there still some amount available, but at least 90% is sold. So the second point is, I don't want to tell you exactly the amount just for your feeling about 90% of the CO2 quotas, which we sold together with the liquids to the oil companies are at fixed prices, only less than about 10%, 11% are just variable prices. So maybe -- okay, there is some reason why you ask it, but that means that at least we have a good feeling with our guidance because what was possible to do at fixed prices, we did. And with now the -- what we see now, Chinese imports are going down, there is no arbitrage for ethanol from Brazil at these price levels, amounts of ethanol in Rotterdam are going back. So we don't see at the moment that there will be, again, a significant impact from additional volumes, which are coming from somewhere. But it doesn't mean that we are 100% sure. I don't see where it should come at the moment. But if there is, again, let's say, a revival that China is going again up to 250,000 tonnes per month, that for sure, will impact the European biofuel business. But we saw the amounts coming down. We expect now that it will continue on that level. We see some short-term catalyst if it really has consequences of the amounts which we are heading already to Europe and the same with ethanol, where the lion's share at the moment is coming from Brazil or where coming from Brazil, okay? So continue, please.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Thomas, so his question goes around PC cash wind. So what is your position on the future of the plan? And a follow-up question on that. Rosneft, how do you think -- or what is your opinion on the ownership change in March?

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Claus Sauter
executive

Thank you for that question. Maybe somebody saw the article in Hunter's Blood yesterday that was quite interesting that the article said that now the Ministry of Economy is preparing to overtake the share from Rosneft. That is a very interesting development from my point of view. That would mean that something -- it's the same happening like with Gazprom when in 2022, the German Ministry overtook the assets from Gazprom, from Germania. So a lot of things are going on in Schwedt, but that was an open issue, wanted to sell and they sold the share to a British company, but for all transactions regarding oil and energy assets, an approval by the German Ministry of Economy and climate protection is necessary. So right now, nothing happened regarding the shareholder structure in Sweden. And that was always our position that we said. We have some ideas what we can do in Schwedt. But as long as there is no clarity about the sharehold structure and at least the shareholders, it doesn't make any sense to do some proposals or develop some ideas. And saying that, I want to repeat that I was very much surprised about that article yesterday in Hunter's Blood. I cannot imagine that the German Ministry now at this stage will be successful to overtake the Rosneft share because we have now the 18 months, the trustee ship from the ministry. So the Chairman Ministry of Economy is leading Rosneft Germany, and we didn't see any distortions in Schwedt and around Schwedt. There was always enough gas oil, gasoline, heating oil, the refinery thanks to the actions of Rosneft Deutsche lump was able at least to run the plant at a very high utilization. I think it was about 80%. And why it was possible? It was possible because these guys managed to buy crude oil from Kazakhstan. So now the crude oil for Schwedt is coming from Kazakhstan, something from Dansk through Poland and something from Rostock. And yes, right now, I don't know what is going to happen in Schwedt. Let's see what will be the further development. The Ministry of Economy and climate protection is in the driver seat. Let's see what is happening until the end of March because as far as I know, the actual trusteeship is ending end of March.

Operator

So we will now move on with the virtual hand-up break. So please go ahead and ask your questions Then I would say we just move on with the questions from Simon because he has his virtual hand race up as well.

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Constantin Hesse
analyst

Can you explain why the income tax expenses was so high in Q2?

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Olaf Troeber
executive

You cannot deduct the cost of the ramp-up phase in Nevada tax-wise. So you have to pay full taxes, approximately 30%, 32% here in Germany. On the profit you make minus, then the losses you aggregate in the United -- especially in the United States. Let's call it costs Ramp-up costs, yes.

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Claus Sauter
executive

So the U.S. costs are not reducing our tax bill regarding profits we are making in Germany. But hopefully, we will be able to change this short term. And I don't know if we mentioned it already, but Nevada is this possible to get an ITC. So we are already negotiating the ITC, which will be approximately USD 30 million to USD 35 million. And that cash stream will be [Indiscernible]. So there will be no taxes on the ITC coming from the U.S. That is a positive contribution. But it's impacting not the tax bill, but it will increase our cash contribution.

Operator

We have a question in our chatbot for Marcus. Who or where is reducing the production capacity of bioethanol in Europe right now?

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Claus Sauter
executive

Sorry?

Operator

Who or where is reducing the production capacity of bioethanol in Europe right now?

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Claus Sauter
executive

Okay. Maybe you saw the last announcement from our listed competitor, CropEnergies and there, it was written that they reduced their production at about 100,000 or 110,000 cubic meters already. These are the informations which are public, but we hear especially from producers in Rotterdam and Eastern Europe as well as mainly in U.K., that at these price levels, it is not possible to make any margin with their setup. So volumes are decreasing significantly by nearly all producers.

Operator

All right. So by now, it seems everything is discussed. There are no further questions left so far. So I guess we will come to the end of today's earnings call. So thank you, everyone, for joining, listening, you've shown interest in VERBIO. So should further questions arise at a later time, so please feel free to call Mr. Schiller from Investor Relations or Montega. So I wish you all from my side, a lovely remaining week. I hope to see you on the next call again and hand over again to Mr. Sauter for some final remarks.

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Claus Sauter
executive

Yes. Thank you very much for your share month leadership. Thank you very much from our side to everybody who was joining this call. Thank you very much for your questions, for your contributions. I hope we were able to answer your questions in a reasonable way and that you get all the information what you expected. Yes, we are happy to hear you again on our call for the third quarter results, which should be in line with our guidance, maybe even better. But we are positive, things are going forward. quotas are increasing, investigations are started. This is quite a positive outcome from that second quarter. Let's see what we can do. Thank you very much again, and I hope to hear you again. Thank you. Goodbye.

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