Check Point Software Technologies Ltd
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Check Point Software Technologies Ltd
Check Point Software Technologies Ltd., a stalwart in the realm of cybersecurity, was founded in 1993 in Ramat Gan, Israel. It emerged during a pivotal moment when the internet was evolving from a novel curiosity into a critical infrastructure for business and society. Stepping beyond the embryonic stages of the internet, Check Point was at the vanguard, crafting solutions to protect the nascent digital landscape against evolving threats. The company's inception was marked by its pioneering "Stateful Inspection" technology, which revolutionized network security by efficiently inspecting data packets traversing digital boundaries. This innovation laid the groundwork for what would become a comprehensive suite of cybersecurity solutions.
Check Point's core business model centers around providing robust cybersecurity defenses through its integrated, multi-layered approach—often conceptualized as building an impregnable digital fortress. Its primary revenue streams come from selling software and hardware products like firewalls and threat prevention suites and from offering subscription-based services such as security updates and critical threat intelligence. With a solid global presence and a client portfolio ranging from small businesses to massive multinational enterprises, Check Point generates a steady, recurring flow of income through licensing agreements and customer renewals. The company remains agile, constantly advancing its research and development to anticipate future threats, ensuring its place as a leader in the cybersecurity sector while relentlessly defending the digital infrastructures of its clients.
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In Q1 2025, Check Point reported 7% revenue growth to $638 million, surpassing guidance by $4 million. Non-GAAP EPS increased 9% year-over-year to $2.21. The demand for Quantum Force appliances was strong, contributing significantly to a 14% increase in product and license revenues. Deferred revenues grew to $1.95 billion, while remaining performance obligations rose 11% to $2.42 billion. For Q2 2025, Check Point expects revenues between $642-$682 million, a growth rate of 2-9%. Non-GAAP EPS is anticipated at $2.32-$2.42, reflecting 7-12% year-over-year growth, indicating strong market demand despite macroeconomic uncertainties.
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Video Conference. I'm Kip E. Meintzer, Global Head of Investor Relations, and joining me on the call today are Chief Executive Officer, Nadav Zafrir; and our Chief Financial Officer, Roei Golan. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone this conference is being recorded and will be available for replay on our website at Check Point.com.
During the formal presentation, all participants are in listen-only mode. That will be followed by a Q&A session. This presentation Check Point representatives may -- forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements generally relate to future events or future financial and/or operating performance. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements.
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Now it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Roei Golan.
Thank you, Kip, and thank you, everyone, for joining the call. So in the first quarter of 2025, we did see a continued strong demand for Quantum Force appliances that drove our revenues a bit at the end of our guidance. Our revenues grew by 7% to $638 million, $4 million above the midpoint of our projections. While our non-GAAP EPS was $2.21, diluted shares $0.03 above the midpoint of our projection and represents 9% growth year-over-year.
Moving into the deferred revenues. Our deferred revenues grew by 5% to $1.950 billion. Our calculated billing reached $553 million, which represents 7% growth year-over-year, while our current calculated billings grew by 5% year-over-year. Let me remind you that our billing is affected by duration -- terms. And I also want to remind you about the next quarter modeling, that in the second quarter of last year, we did have a benefit of approximately 2 points from upfront billing from 2 large mobile deals.
If we were looking at our remaining performance obligation, the RPO, the RPO grew another quarter by double digit, 11%, and reached $2.424 billion.
So as I mentioned, we did see another strong quarter of demand from our Quantum Force appliances. Since launching these appliances in the beginning of 2024, we do see strong trend of demand for the appliances, and that was the main driver for the revenue growth in this quarter, and resulted 14% growth year-over-year in the product and license revenues.
Speaking to Infinity, so another strong quarter for Infinity. We continue to -- we continue to find an accelerated way to the revenues with a double-digit growth year-over-year. Same as in previous quarters, the revenues from Infinity keep increasing and already exceeded 15% of our total revenues. We can see more and more customers adopting our platform, which answering their needs under one umbrella of product and services.
So looking on our global revenue distribution, so we can see that 45% of our revenues came from EMEA, which represents 5% growth year-over-year. 42% came from America, with 6% growth year-over-year. While the remaining 13% came from Asia Pacific, with 12% growth year-over-year.
Moving into our P&L. So as indicated, our revenues grew by 7%, while our gross profit grew by 5% to $564 million, which represent 88% gross margin. Our operating expenses increased by 7% to $305 million. This increase was mainly as a result of our recent acquisition of Cyberint that was closed in the end of Q3 last year, and the continued investment in our workforce organically during the quarter.
Our non-GAAP operating income continues to be strong at [ $159 million ] or 41% operating margin. Our net income was $246 million and represents 5% growth yield, while our non-GAAP EPS grew by 9% to $2.21.
Moving into our cash flow. So our cash flow was -- operating cash flow this quarter with $421 million, represents 17% growth year-over-year. If we are excluding the reduction in the income tax paid, the growth was 14% year-over-year. Our cash balances as of...
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Our cash balances as of the quarter was [ $2.9 billion ]. During the quarter, we continued our buyback program and purchased approximately 1.5 million shares for $325 million at an average of price $2.11.
So to summarize our financial results, revenues and EPS above the midpoint of our projection. We did see another quarter with strong demand for Quantum Force appliances, strong operating cash flow and maintaining high profitability margin.
And happy to move the call to Nadav. you're on mute, Nadav.
Great to be with you again. As Roei said, indeed, a solid quarter. And when we look at the appliances demand, I think this really shows a trajectory that's been going on for the last 4 or 5 quarters. So it's a continuous positive trajectory, which makes us optimistic.
If you've met last time, my first time as CEO at the end of January, and I told you that I was going to be focusing on listening and learning, with a target of meeting over 100 customers, partners, prospects and hundreds of our own Check Pointers. So the 100 days -- my first 100 days are over, plus 28 days and counting.
So to report that I think I exceeded my target of the meetings that I told you I was going to do in listening to our partners, customers, et cetera. I think that -- strategy, which we articulated, which is to provide the leading platform for the Hybrid Mesh Architecture, at the end of the day, it resonates well with everybody I've met so far and is well received.
Also very pleased to say that, speaking to channel partners, I believe there is a genuine want to reinforce to partner with Check Point, and we definitely need to double down on that. And then finally, February was our CPX, which is our user conferences. We had them across the world, so traveling the world. At Check Point, there's thousands of customers and partners in Vienna, in Bangkok, in Vegas. We enthused, me at least, in our potential going forward in our strategy.
What we emphasized to the world is that, we believe, first and foremost, that when you are securing a hyperconnected world in the AI era, first and foremost, we need to remind ourselves and everybody else, security is about security. As I've shared with you, our strategy is to provide a real platform for this hyperconnected reality. And I think it literally provides the best prevention that there is out there today.
When you think about the Hybrid Mesh Architecture, you always need to remember that we're living in a hyperconnected reality. And in this Hybrid Mesh Architecture, I believe that the Infinity Platform really provides the best solution that there is out there today -- ability and it meshes together or brings together our 3 families of products, our Quantum projects, our CloudGuard products and our Harmony products.
And the way we are providing this, I think, optimizes for flexibility, performance and cost. And at the end of the day, by providing this agility, not only we can provide security, but also a better user experience. And finally, if you look at organizations and enterprise today, probably the second line item in their budget is cloud. And this flexible hybrid approach allows for a better capability -- cloud cost.
Beyond that, in Q1, we also announced our partnership with Wiz. The reason I bring it up here is, I think, it exemplifies what we need when we say that our real platform is also an open platform with an open garden approach and architecture. So it's not just Wiz, but Wiz is a good example of how you bring together 1 plus 1 best-of-breed, and provide our customers with the best security in this hyperconnected reality.
Also pleased with the latest recognitions of industry analysts, you can see here, and I think they're well deserved. When I look into our focus, 2 areas. One is SASE, which is front and center in our architecture. We articulated that, and that's where we're focusing. And the other, of course, is artificial intelligence.
When you think about SASE, our -- we thought what we've done already -- so first of all, we're already serving thousands of customers. And in terms of -- it's literally 10x faster, and that counts in different situation. And this hybrid approach allows for the flexibility. And at the end of the day, we have also embedded the Check Point Security engines. And we're talking about dozens, almost 100 AI agents that are running and being supported by or supported from the cloud.
Going forward, this is a major focus that I'm overlooking myself because of its criticality to our architecture. Our focus is obviously on scaling this to larger and larger enterprises. As I told you last time, we intended to open a new R&D center in India that works well, and we're getting great talent there. And we're constantly going to improve the unified policy across the Hybrid Mesh network, improve user experience,and the cyber practitioner experience going forward.
Beyond the Hybrid Mesh and the SaaS, which is front and center, obviously, artificial intelligence is changing the world. I don't think it's just a technological revolution, but literally a new dimension. And so when you think about it, at least in a cyber perspective, the first thing you need to understand is that enterprises must embrace this new technology. They have to embrace it. They have to leverage it. But they want to do it in a responsible secure way. That's where we come in.
So in our CPX events, we -- and continue to reinforce GenAI security as an example. But it's not only to look at the attacker's perspective and what they can do, but also leveraging AI for security, and that's where Infinity CoPilot integrated into our product was also showcased. And again, today, we have thousands of organizations across the globe using it already.
Going forward, at the same time, we're going to continue to focus on both, how do you secure AI and how do you embrace AI and leverage AI to facilitate simplification and automation, all the way to fully AI-driven access control policy, which is where our road map is taking us.
I think that when you think about a new dimension, one thing that you need to be as humble, I think as humans, we have the limitation of imagination, right, where is this world going. And last time we spoke about starting an AI security research center, which is already --. But this is also an opportunity for me to introduce Jonathan Zanger, who will be joining us in the next few weeks as our new CTO.
If you're not within the cyber and AI community, his name might not mean much. But believe me, he's one of the sharpest and most talented minds I've ever had the pleasure to work with. I know him from our service days. And in the last few years, he's been in the start-up world. And within the communities, really a well-recognized talent both in AI and cyber based on its national defense, academia, start-up experience. And I also believe that him choosing us as a show of confidence in our strategy and where we're going to. Ultimately, he's also a talent magnet.
And as you probably know, in this AI world, it's all about the talent and the critical mass of talent that you can bring into the organization. And that's going to be one of his tasks going forward. I'm really proud of him joining us.
This is probably also a good time to acknowledge our current CTO, which you all know, Dr. Dorit Dor. I've known Dorit for almost 30 years. I think she's one jof the most recognized leaders in cyber globally. And in Check Point, specifically, she's an icon. She was a part of building this company, and I couldn't be more appreciative of what she's done. She has agreed to stay as a Check Point fellow and a consultant. And in the next few weeks, Jonathan will have to fill really, really, really gigantic shoes. So congratulations to both.
And speaking of news, and again, going back to our January discussion, we spoke about the way we're going to orchestrate and focus our go-to-market approach, and we spoke about creating a new division that works on SaaS. We're going to be focusing on securing the workforce.
When you think about the hybrid modern workforce we work -- anywhere, we have different intents and different personas and different identities, and different devices. And there are too many segmented solutions right now for different channels and devices, and this lack of a unified solution is being taken advantage of by the hackers. Because hackers are always going to come through the cracks even if you have disparate specific products that are doing a good job, if you can unify it, they're going to come through the cracks.
And so the idea is to design and offering to secure employees in the modern hybrid mesh environment and provide a single product experience. We're going to be pooling together different products that we have. And we're going to be pulling this into our Infinity Platform and leveraging assets such as ThreatCloud AI.
Again, I'm happy to introduce Gil Freidrick. For those of you who don't know, Gil, he's going to be leading this newly formed division to focus on the work. Gil joined us about 3.5 years ago through the various acquisition of Avanan. He has 6x-ed the business so far. We announced not so long ago that we already crossed $100 million of ARR. Our goal is to cross the $200 million of ARR within the next year.
And building on this success and the reception of this technology, we're going to put together different products to create a single product experience. So when we talk about e-mail, input and other products, this is a newly formed division that I'm very, very optimistic about. And so welcome to Jonathan. Welcome to Gil.
And I think that's pretty much what I had to report back over Q1. Kip, back to you.
Thank you, Nadav. We're going to see a little commentary around our business outlook. Obviously, we're seeing a nice pipeline build for the second quarter and the second half of '25. We're very pleased with the customer response about the Infinity Platform and also our Quantum Force appliances.
Security spending for us is healthy, but we recognize it's not immune to budget concerns. Although history has shown it is insulated from most cuts. From a macroeconomic uncertainty, specifically around tariffs, we haven't seen any behavior so far, canceled project, extended sales cycles, et cetera. However, you recognize these sales cycles usually occur at -- the extended sales cycles usually occur at the end of the quarter.
As such, we think it's prudent to take this into consideration. And so for the second quarter, we're working at these dynamics and giving you our business outlook.
So really it's expected to be 6 42 to 6 82. That's 2% to 9% year-over-year growth. Non-GAAP EPS is expected to be $2.32 to $2.42, year-over-year growth of 7% to 12%. GAAP EPS is expected to be approximately $0.55 less. Our FY 2025 remain unchanged.
And a little bit of modeling commentary to reiterate off of what Roei said earlier, last year, in the second quarter, we had 3 8-figure deals that totaled $130 million. Two of those were paid upfront that contributed about 2% benefit to the calculation in the quarter.
With that, we're going to open the call for Q&A.
And there's no need to raise your hands, folks. There's a predetermined list of folks. So we'll leave it at that. First up is going to be Robbie Owens from Piper Sandler, followed by Joseph Gallo from Jefferies.
Great. I was hoping you could drill down just a little bit more into the business outlook commentary slide via -- that Kip read. Maybe as you think about the forward pipe, the obvious questions were puts and takes around the the refresh cycle, which seemed to come through in product revenue this quarter. But also just where our conversations with customers around tariffs and appetite to spend in this environment. Understanding that security is typically resilient, we've seen that historically, but some of these things can push out as a sweat assets. So just some color from the customer conversations would be appreciated.
Roei, do you want to start?
Yes, I'll start. So again, I have to say again, as of today, and we had multiple discussions with our sales -- we don't see -- and based on what we see in the environment today, we don't see any effect as of today from what's going on, on the macro economy environment. We actually see that the pipeline is building very nicely. You mentioned the Quantum Force appliances that we see positive trend in the last few quarters.
I have to say that when I'm looking on the pipeline, specifically for the Quantum Force appliances for the second quarter, looks very good. But again, it's something that -- we cannot avoid the volatility and what's going on in the market. And as we all know, most of the business is coming in the last month of the quarter, especially in the last 2 weeks.
We see that every day, we have news and can -- and something can be changed. Again, as of today, we don't see anything. But when we beat the guidance for the next quarter, we took into account a more prudent approach in terms of there might be, because of the macroeconomic, more deals that will be slipped to the second half of the year, and that's the main factor here.
Yes, Rob, I don't have a lot to add, to be honest. As Roei said, I speak to our channels and customers and, obviously, sales leaders all the time trying to be out there and understand what the sentiment is. We haven't seen anything. The only thing I can add to that, and again, this is looking back, it doesn't mean that this will repeat itself. In these terms of uncertainty and volatility, especially as the offense is arming itself with very sophisticated AI capabilities.
Unfortunately, I think we'll see -- we'll also see an up an uptick in the -- the offense side. So I think from a customer perspective, this cyber budget line item will probably be at the bottom of the list of something to cut. But again, this is a look-back, looking into the future, who knows.
Next up is of Joseph Gallo, followed by Adam Tindle of Raymond James.
Maybe just following up the products. How should we think about the runway left in the refresh and -- in product versus subscription this year? And then is there any increased cost of goods sold from the tariffs?
Yes. So I'll start with the second question around the tariffs. So we are manufacturing -- today, most of our manufacturing is done in Taiwan with the third-party. We work them mainly around the development as well that happened in the last few weeks. I do have to say that even with the high tariffs that, for now, it's were not imposed. But even with these high talks that will be -- that might be imposed, the max exposure on us will be -- won't be significant and will be expected to be less than a point to our total margin.
But then we are talking about the max exposure, and we are doing a lot of work around doing some adjustments to our supply chain to try to minimize this additional cost. In terms of product, so we started to see this -- accelerating, I think, in the second half of last year in 2024. First of all, we have the refresh of our existing installed base that we do see a very nice ramp-up in the last few quarters. We see that really like the new appliances that we launched a year ago. And we actually see the acceleration in our revenue growth from home product that's mainly include [indiscernible].
As for the remaining of the refresh, I think, first of all, we have a touch of our existing installed base, but definitely there is an opportunity outside. Our competitors also, some of them mentioned that they have a large refresh cycle that started -- expect to start sometime in the second half of 2025 and will last in 2026. So we think that this this should last. I mean this refresh and this trend, we should expect it to last in the next -- will last until the end of 2026.
I think that we need also to take into account macroeconomic environment, that sometimes because of uncertainty, there will be some customers that will decide to sweat them in their asset. But right now, we don't see that. But again, you don't know -- I mean, still there is a lot of uncertainty today around it.
All right. Our next caller is Brian Essex, followed by Keith Bachman.
All right. Are we on?
Yes, yes.
Nadav, I just wanted to ask you. One thing about being at CPX, it was really evident that you're very engaged with customers, partners, employees. Particularly employees, the number of employees that commented that you're pushing them to grow the business maybe more forcefully than has been done in the past. Maybe if you could help me understand what kind of -- what does initiatives and benchmarks are you holding your management team to that are meaningful to call out that kind of hold their feet to the fire to reaccelerate growth?
Yes. So I would say that first and foremost, and we've spoken about this in different instances, we're focusing on accelerating our growth. In order to do that, we're expanding our spend on go-to market, the way we are orchestrated around the market. And also, I think, culturally, being a more vocal and customer closer to [indiscernible].
I think that from a cultural perspective, the word that would I like the phrase that I like to use, and I'm pushing as a sense of urgency, from a compensation commission, we are more focused on ARR than we were before, subscription and ARR. And finally, a target of putting ambitious -- targets and making sure that we are all accountable for those targets, every employee in the company. By the way, not just the people that are forward looking and talking to customers, but also they are doing most of the R&D.
All right. I had a big faux pas there. The next question is actually Mr. Tindle, and that will be followed by Mr. Bachman.
Nadav, you gave Kip one slide to read, and he forgets how to do the Q&A. So...
He's lost -- he can't think right.
There we go.
I wanted to ask, obviously, I think the key theme here is the growth acceleration in product in particular. The flip side, just to get it out there, Nadav, is margin standpoint. I know Roei unpacked a little bit of the drivers. But we're nearing 40% EBIT margin, sales at record levels, you did have a filing in terms of expanding corporate headquarters. I think a lot of this makes sense as growth accelerates, but I think it would be helpful to maybe put some parameters around this.
Just how you think about the optimal operating model, what you would need to see, for example, to take margins into the 30s. How you think about the balance of growth versus investment broadly speaking.
Yes, I'll start and Roei, you can follow up. I shared this last time that the strategy o the targets haven't changed. We need to improve our growth, but we want to do it in a responsible, prudent manner to create sustainable growth. So I think we do have flexibility in our margin, but we need to do it very carefully and we need to see the uptick that, that brings.
So I do think there is some flexibility there. As you can see, no big changes in Q1 or minimal changes to our operating margins in Q1. I don't see that changing in the very near future. But we're following very closely and seeing where every dollar we put into go-to-market, what it brings and how it affects our total financial situation. Roei, you want to add anything to do that?
Yes. So as we mentioned, I think we discussed it in our -- in the CPX, that we are doing also part of what we've done with Wiz. We are doing more focusing on where we need to invest. It doesn't mean that all investment needs to be increased significantly. I think we need -- we are looking -- I think think Nadav is doing, since he joined, in terms of he decided where we need more to focus as. We discussed about the mesh and other items.
And we are moving budget from high areas in that we're less focused to areas that we need to focus more, like SASE, like AI. In the end, when you're looking on the full budget, on the full operational, I don't think that -- we don't expect in the near term to see any significance to our operating margin in order to accelerate our top line.
All right. Our next question comes from Keith Bachman, followed by Shaul Eyal.
I wanted to try to get more update on Perimeter 81 or your SASE solution. I'll break it into a couple of parts, is as we think about the year unfolding, how do you think about the enhancements that you need or want on the solution side? B, you tell a little bit about this at CPX, but maybe update us on go-to-market activities. And then c, as we get to end of the year, what does SASE look like? And what metrics might you be able to provide to us, whether it's contribution to ARR number of customers along those lines. But just maybe just a broader update on your SASE solution in Perimeter 81.
Well, thank you. So I'll get started, and Roei can add a little bit maybe about the framers on the product side. On the product side, there are 2 things that -- or 3 things we're focused on. Number one, we have a relatively nascent solution. If you look at the incumbents in the market. I think it's a unique solution. Sometimes when you come late to the market, you can already see the kind of mistakes that were done and come with a more modern solution.
And I think the hybrid approach allows us not just to give a better user experience, but also to provide security based on the parameters of identity, intent geography and location. And based on those, you can consume the security from the right place. Especially in the world that's moving from the attackers perspective and the speed of AI, I think this is crucial. So -- but having said that, we still have a feature parity that we need to complete, and I'm following that very, very, very closely. And the other is to go up the stack in terms of very large enterprise. So that's the other thing.
On the go-to-market side, the way I look at it is to really try to go out there and showcase by -- everywhere we can, but also with existing very successful deployments in large enterprise, what this really means to provide this hybrid architecture. What does it really mean to have a better user experience. What does it really mean that you have a better control of your cloud cost to go out and improve that with our partners, with our channels. And events, such as the one happening next week at RSA.
I think that for me, success is, first of all, can we actually showcase in large enterprise that's consuming this, what are they saying. I think if they come and say, listen, this actually works better. Because SASE, unlike other products in security, is right in front of the long tail of hundreds, of thousands and sometimes tens of thousands of employees of one enterprise, and the effect you get is very direct. So that's on the user experience side.
Saying the same thing here at Check Point when we're -- once we're deploying this here. What's the user experience. What does it mean. This will allow us to do -- because at the end of the day, we not only want to secure and prevent, we also want to give better user experience.
The other thing is how this as an Infinity Platform sale, that's the other metric or perimeter that I want to look at. Not as a SASE stand-alone, but SASE as a part of our Hybrid Mesh and the Infinity Platform. So that's another metric that we need to look at closely. I can tell you very openly that so far so good, but it's only the beginning of the journey. I'm following this very, very closely. It's one of the highlights. And to the question about investment, this is one area where we don't have lack of resources.
Next question is from Shaul Eyal, followed by Shrenik Kothari.
Nadav, on the heels of your Wiz announcement -- and thank you for this slide you guys have put up, we've been getting some questions from investors on whether Check Point is actually giving up on CNAPP or is actually double downing on CNAPP, maybe being one category out of the broader cloud security arena. So maybe if you can address that. And maybe, Roei, just a word about the mix between new logos and existing customers this quarter.
Yes. Thanks for that, Shaul. So I want to be very direct and very simple about this. We are doubling down on cloud. We are focusing on partnerships when it comes to preservability and CNAPP specifically. And we are repurposing these resources in the areas that are core and strategic for us, such as SASE. So I want to be very clear on that.
And we're very transparent internally with our customers, with our channels. And we are within a migration process within our existing customers to start using Wiz, and we are able to actually showcase with -- in our unified platform. Again, I believe this is also the right philosophy when you think about an open platform. So that's a very direct answer.
And to your question, Shaul, about existing customers and new customers. So I think if we're looking on our product revenue, so -- of course, the majority is coming from refresh and from our existing customers. But definitely, we do see uptick in our new business on from new logos from appliances. Again, I think since we launched, I think since we launched the new families last year, the price performance of these appliances become much more attractive in the market than it was in -- before. And definitely, we do see that in the competition.
I would add one thing about new customers. I spoke about Gil Frederic and the newly formed Workforce division, that is one of the ways that we expect to win new logos with -- sometimes even different buyers within the enterprise.
All right. Next up is Shrenik Kothari, followed by Andrew Nowinski from Wells Fargo.
Guys, can you hear me all right?
Nice little vest there. Glad to see [indiscernible].
So you did touch upon tariffs and macro uncertainty, and also around the Israeli Taiwan-based supply chain. Just curious, to what degree has some of your relative insulation status, kind of -- from other hardware providers in areas like Europe, Canada? And anything you have seen in terms of win rates upticking or competitive takeoff or takeout activity specific to these dynamics?
And then from a margin standpoint, very quickly, Roei, you mentioned sub-50 basis points kind of impact. Assuming that is on the existing or the original tariff framework, just wanted to clarify, could it be better if things are evolving in the right direction there.
[indiscernible] it's a short one. That's based on the 32% tariffs that, for now, it's we're not imposed. But that's based -- the less than 0.5 point is related to the 32 percentile, not for the 10% that's already imposed.
Yes. I'll say from my perspective that these are early days, and uncertainty right now is such that, I'll be very honest, I'm not -- I'm not owning on having an advantage over our peers at this point. I do believe that in an era that -- with the volatility that we have, unfortunately, we see an uptick in attacks and in the sophistication of attacks. I believe that our approach of prevention first and that security is about security will be heightened and well received. And I'm optimistic that we can get our points based on that.
All right. Next up is Andy Nowinski, followed by Tal Liani of BofA.
Okay. So Nadav, you have a very impressive background. I'm sure you've seen more cyberattacks than most executives in the market. So I'm wondering, have you been able to leverage your background to speak with CISOs? And how might that be driving new logo growth, which has historically been the Achilles heel of Check Point?
And then just a quick clarification. The maintenance decline order, is that just a lagging impact? I think that lags -- even though product revenue was really strong, typically has a lagging impact that comes back to growth later.
I can start and, Nadav, maybe -- regarding the support. So yes, it's lagging and likely to pick up in the second half of the year if you want to see the trend continue with the refresh. And definitely, we expect it to be to be positive back in the second half of the year. Nadav, do you...
Yes, the answer is yes. I always -- from the nascent days when the Internet started, and I've been doing this for the last 30 years, remind myself that at the end of the day, it's a learning competition between offense and defense. That's true for Check Point. When we protect Check Point, that was true in my previous slide, when I was at the frontline protecting national infrastructure it's always a learning competition.
And in the learning competition, what you need to do is appreciate how the world is changing, try to imagine different cures, probability come back to the present and decide how you want to allot your risk management and your budget. I'm super passionate about this, and I've seen it for many, many different aspects in the last 30 years. And for me to talk to leaders in the enterprise world, whether it's Board, CEOs, CFOs, CIOs and CISOs is something that I'm very passionate about.
And I am enthusiastic about -- I'm very enthused about going out there and talking about how we approach this at Check Point generally. Specifically, I think that all of us are sort of trying to understand how we leverage this incredible new technology that's a bit --, we all get it. And so I think if we can be a good partner for the journey of embracing AI for our customers, that's a very, very important capability that we have.
Jonathan Zanger joining us in that respect, being able to hire some of the best talent in the industry, trying to imagine what it's going to look like. And -- myself, we're going to imagine a thousand scenarios, and we're going to get hit by the scenarios a [ thousand to one ] But by thinking about it, practicing it, simulating it, I think, is a great advantage.
Now when you think about Check Point with 30 years of experience, 100,000 customers, the vast data that we have, the fact that we've seen every mutation and every permutation, doesn't mean that we're going to get it all right, but I think it means that we're in a good springboard.
All right. Next step is Tal Liani, followed by Patrick Colville.
Nadav, I have kind of a high-level question for you. So the first one in your entry to --, what we are looking for now is for the growth not in the big 7% area, that's not exciting, we wanted to see above 10%. And the question is, how long does it take you and what needs to happen to get to this 10% level in order to justify additional upside in the stock?
And I just want to -- I looked at the numbers differently. I know that firewalls will go to a refresh cycle, but firewall market is not going to grow in the long term. And at your other parts of the portfolio, outside of firewall, needs to grow substantially to get to 10%. If I remove this firewall refresh temporary upside, it needs to grow substantially to get to a sustainable 10% level. So how do you compare? What do you need to add? How do you -- what do you do with go-to-market? I know these are big questions, but I think that's what's going to drive the share price from here.
Yes, first of all, I agree. Take as an example the newly formed Workforce division led by Gil Fredric, is one way or one vector to get there, to that sustainable double-digit growth that we are aiming to achieve. And like you said, I don't expect anything to happen overnight and we want to reach it in a sustainable manner.
Having said that, this is an example which I'm happy to elaborate on. Gil came here as an acquisition. It was a successful acquisition. This is completely outside of our Quantum business. This is completely outside of our sort of 30 years of experience. And in a very mature sort of saturated market, but we've been able to innovate and get a meaningful part of this market. Again, first in the 120 million and leading this into 200 million within -- our goal is to get to 200 million. That's becoming meaningful, and add other components to this and creating a distinct division that's working on that, that's one way to get there.
The other is to reinvigorate and focus on our go to market. I think that -- and you can look at our growth. I think that we have some of the best products out there. If you ask me one of the things that excites me is how little the world knows about what we're doing. We need to be more -- we've been shy. We need to be more vocal. We will be.
The other thing is focus, focus, focus. That's why we decided to get out of different businesses. We spoke about that. Focus on our Hybrid Mesh platform approach. So where we play, we play to win. Where we play, we play to become a podium player. Beyond that, we're obviously always looking at potential acquisitions to close some of the gaps that we have in our strategy, and getting some of the best leaders and talent in the world.
And I think that when you combine all that, that's the path, that's the strategy, that -- I don't fool myself that this is going to happen overnight and I don't fool myself that we're not going to have our hurdles along the way. But I can tell you that I'm optimistic, and we'll come back to report every quarter.
All right. Thank you. Next is Patrick Colville, followed by Jonathan Ho of William Blair.
I guess I'll focus on the demand environment. I mean the message in the prepared remarks was very clear that no effect from the macro. I just want to make sure that we're clear on the timing of that comment. I mean do those comments refer to post close over the quarter, so post March, and including the last few weeks? And then if I think back to 2020, Check Point, this quarter -- pulled the fiscal year guidance. Was there a world where you consider pulling the fiscal year guidance and what puts and takes there?
So I'll start maybe on -- first of all, yes, that's based on what we see. I mean the comments are based on what we see today, not based on what we've seen in the last quarter. I mean that's following the liberation day and all the development since this announcement in the liberation day.
So I'd say, again, I don't want to compare to 2020. I'm talking about what we see -- do see today. As Nadav also mentioned, we are doing a lot of -- we had a lot of discussion with channels, with customers, with our sales leaders. As of today, and we are talking today, in this earnings, we don't see any -- in the macro environment in terms of the demand for the security for the security. And as I said, actually even the pipeline is building up for this quarter, mainly around the Quantum Force appliances. And that's what we see today.
It doesn't even mean that we won't see a change, because there is -- we all see what's going on in the market. We all see the volatility. And it doesn't mean that it won't be changed in the next few weeks. That's why we need to be more cautious in terms of when we are providing guidance for the second quarter.
But definitely, what -- based on what we see, that's currently what we see today on the demand. And therefore, we also didn't change the guidance for the full year, I mean, because that's based on what we see today. We didn't think that there is a need to change the full year guidance.
Sure. Thanks for wearing the competitive gear. Next up is Jonathan Ho, followed by Brad Zelnick.
Nadav, you spoke a little about reinvigorating sort of the messaging and the go-to-market for the company. Can you talk a little bit about the messaging around the Hybrid Mesh firewall? And maybe if that's resonating with customers, how you can maybe change the narrative around Check Point over time? Just give us a little bit more detai?
Yes, for sure. My favorite topic. The debate around whether the world is going to be on-prem or in the cloud or multicloud, whether we're going to be working from the offices or working remotely, I think that debate is over. The answer is yes, yes and yes. We're going to be doing both and that's sort of the -- environment.
Now the hyperconnectivity that the world is going into is also not going to change. AI is not going to change that. Some people anticipate that AI will change the way we operate. But at least in the foreseeable future, we need to remember that at the end of the mesh, there are humans like you and I. And we're fallible and we get lazy, and sometimes we do stupid things and sometimes we're useful --.
And so the idea of providing a form of the Hybrid Mesh is the idea of acknowledging that this is the real architecture that the world has embraced and that you need a platform to support that. At front and center of this hybrid mesh is the network. If you cannot have the trust that your infrastructure -- actually, your infrastructure, that is very, very difficult to operate.
When you add the need to embrace AI, this is where you really need a platform that provides 3 or 4 things. Number one, it needs to provide real security, and real security starts with prevention. Because in the AI world, if you don't prevent it, it will be -- it might be too late. Trying to run after its reach your network through your SOC system, for example, could mean that it's -- you're just telling -- you just had a story and telling everybody about the past, but the damage is already done.
The second thing is user experience. At the end of the day, you and I and all of us are traveling the world, we have multiple devices and we are looking for user experience with security. And we don't want to give up on our user experience, speed and capability to work from anywhere and anywhere -- from everywhere and anywhere. And so that's sort of the hybrid mesh reality.
When we look at it, at the center of that, we're providing a suite of products. And at the end of the day, have a unified management, the Infinity platform, and are all taking or ingesting the data and the intelligence from our cloud AI, what that means is they're getting flexibility. Because sometimes you're going to receive and consume security from an endpoint device. Sometimes you want your data center to be able to connect directly. Sometimes you want to -- and you're working in a multi-cloud environment. That's sort of the essence of what we're saying with a hybrid mesh platform.
Beyond that, you also must remember that it's not only about security and usability, it's also about cost. This hybrid approach allows you to optimize the connectivity, not just per security and usability, but also per cost. That's the message that we're going out there to the world with. And now we're augmenting this with a single product experience at the workforce level, and both of those are complementing this hybrid environment. It's not everything, and that's why it's an open platform.
I can tell you, so far, it's resonating. There is -- it's a process because this is sort of a concept that is not -- that hasn't been around. So we need to invest in explaining and showcasing. And to the point that we spoke about before, it also means that we're going to have to up our marketing game.
All right. Next up is Brad Zelnick, followed by Saket Kalia.
Great. Nadav, along the lines of Tal Liani's question, Check Point is in a stronger position as we've seen in years, and everybody's got a lot of enthusiasm that you're here to win and not just win small, but to win big. The company is on a strong footing has a really strong balance sheet. Now that you're over 100 days, how are you thinking about corporate development opportunities? And what criteria are you using as you're looking at deals?
Thank you. So the criteria is very straightforward. We have our North Star and our strategy and our focus areas. Acquisitions are a means to fulfill that strategy. So that's how we're looking at it. It's not very broad aperture. But like we said, SASE AI, so that's where we're looking. Unified management, that's where we're looking.
And there are many opportunities out there. And so our -- last time we spoke, I announced that Roei Kara is joining us. And alongside with Alan Eli leads this, they're constantly looking. And we have very real appetite. Sometimes it will be to accelerate the road map. Sometimes it will be because somebody, something we will see is truly novel. And it's not just an add-on, but something that can actually lead for. And so we're looking at both and stay tuned.
All right. Next up is Saket Kalia, followed by Roger Boyd.
Okay. Great. Nadav, maybe going back to the SASE discussion. Again, front and center, no shortage of resources. Maybe the question is, how do you sort of see the swim lanes in this market developing? You have some established pure-play SASE vendors, like the Zscalers and others in the private side. You have other firewall vendors that are providing this as well. Maybe you have some that are very focused on Secure Web Gateway, some that are really focused on private access or VPN as a service. Where do you see Check Point SASE sort of fitting into this market as you think about SASE in the coming years?
Yes, great question. So the first thing I want to say is that we're focused on enterprise customers when we think about the Hybrid Mesh Architecture at its best. These organizations are usually quite complex. They have some of everything. They have data centers. They have branches. They have multi-clouds. And they work in different geographies with different regulations, with many moving parts in a changing environment that they must embrace and continue -- so that's the customer that we're looking at. So we're talking about big and complex.
Many of our customers are also financial organizations with incredible regulation needs. They're industrial companies that are working globally and you're seeing what's happening in the world right now. Our focus is, first and foremost, to come up with a solution. And I think we're already showcasing how this works, that allows -- that doesn't compromise security for usability. And this is where the unique architecture that we have in our SASE, which is hybrid, I think, is going to win.
Most of the incumbents have a cloud-only SASE. And I'll be very honest. We've made a lot of sense when they come up with it many years ago. But I think now, having the ability and the flexibility to be on-prem and cloud, multi-cloud, is a big advantage. And then beyond that, it's the unified approach so that you can look at your connectivity infrastructure as one and build on that. So that's where I think we can win.
Again, being very -- we don't have all the features. We have to mature some of our things. And that's where we're going to focus both internally and by corp dev to make sure that we find the right solutions. And with a big sense of urgency, because this is still a relatively nascent approach, the SASE approach. If you look at the market today, I think that below 20% of enterprise is already facing this. But it will continue to grow because that's where the margin infrastructure calls for.
All right. Our last question of the day is going to come from Roger Boyd of UBS.
I'm wondering if we can come back to the -- assumptions and the commentary around the potential for slipped deals in 2Q. When I look at the revenue and EPS guidance for 2Q and the full year, I think they still look pretty good. And I know you don't guide to it, but wonder if you could speak to any directionality around your expectations for billings or RPO in 2Q? Or any color on the 1 half versus [ second half ] seasonality, acknowledging the color you gave around large deals in the year ago quarter?
Roei, you're on mute.
Yes. So for billing, we are not providing. I'll start with billing, we're not putting out any guidance. For billing and RPO, I do have to -- we did mention that in second quarter last year, we did have 2 large deals that were built upfront, that benefit us approximately 2 points last year.
But we should think about, again, billing should grow in line with what we see in the revenues. So you should think something in this area. Again, what was taking into the guidance. Again, we didn't see -- I'll repeat myself, but we didn't see anything -- any change as of today. Of course, the significant portion of our revenues is already is the subscription and support. But I remind you all that the main -- not uncertainty, but the main revenues that we still need to bring out the product, that usually are coming are building and are recognized immediately.
And in terms of that, we do see a very good pipeline for the Quantum Force appliances, both for Q2 and for the second half of the year. Even I would say that for the second half of the year, we do see even a better -- even a stronger pipeline. And we do expect that, again, taking aside the macro environment effect because we never -- I mean, it's tough to expect to -- that. But putting aside the macro environment, we do expect to see an acceleration in terms of the Quantum Force refresh in the second half of the year.
All right, everyone. We appreciate you guys attending the call today, and we look forward to seeing you throughout the quarter. And have a great day out there. Bye-bye now. Thank you.
Thanks, guys.