Nexans SA

PAR:NEX

Q3-2025 Earnings Call

[Operator]

Good morning, and welcome to Nexans' 9 Months 2025 Financial Information Conference Call. My name is Laura, and I will be your coordinator on today's event. [Operator Instructions]

And now I'd like to hand the call over to Mr. Julien Hueber, Nexans' CEO. Please go ahead, sir.

[Julien Hueber, executive]

So good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today on the Nexans conference call. It's a special moment for me to be speaking with you for the first time as the CEO of Nexans. With me today, I have [ Christine Preolevi ], our Interim CFO; and Audrey Bourgeois, our VP, Investor Relations.

I would like to begin by thanking the Board of Directors for their confidence. It's an honor to take this role and to lead a strong, high-performing company with a clear vision for the future. I also want to express my appreciation to Christopher Guerin for his leadership and the remarkable transformation he has led, a transformation I was proud to help drive as part of the Executive Committee. Chris leaves behind a strong company built on solid foundation that we will keep strengthening.

I spent more than 2 decades at Nexans always close to operations and transformation. From my early years in manufacturing to leading our activities in China, South Korea or globally for the Industry & Solutions project, I've seen how performance is built on operational excellence, flawless execution and a deep understanding of our customers.

As a member of the Executive Committee since 2018, I helped shape the group strategy on the capital markets road map. Leading our EUR 2.6 billion of PWR-Grid and Connect in Europe business reinforce my conviction that agility, execution and industrial excellence are the levers that will be key to Nexans's next chapter. Our strategy remains unchanged, and the megatrends behind it never been so strong. Electrification is accelerating and the need for secure, modern infrastructure keeps growing. These dynamics reinforce Nexans' positioning and long-term strategy.

As a new CEO, I want to be very clear, we will continue to execute the road map presented at the last Capital Market Day, and we confirm our 2025 guidance and 2028 objective as well. The direction is right and the foundation are solid and all megatrends are continuing. The environment, however, has grown more complex since our last Capital Market Day, from geopolitics, supply chains disruption or shifting policy environment around energy and renewable. This makes one thing clear. It is the right time to make Nexans even stronger, stronger in execution, stronger in competitiveness and stronger in agility.

I will continue to fuel our model of value creation that delivers results, combining our SHIFT program, complexity reduction, innovation deployment and vertical development. But building on that, I will also move forward and I will emphasize even more on the further complexity reduction of the organization, efficiency optimization of our industrial operations, both in terms of productivity and cost competitiveness, further mutualization of our industrial footprint and of course, keeping absolute discipline on cost and cash. All these priorities will further enhance the resilience of Nexans model.

Our ambition is clear, to consolidate Nexans' competitiveness while amplifying selective profitable growth in Electrification, powered by digital acceleration and the smart use of new technologies and artificial intelligence. Nexans is entering this new phase from a position of real strength. We have a clear road map, robust financial foundations and teams that are talented, dedicated and united and proud of what we do. Together, we will deliver with strong discipline and focus, the long-term value creation for all our stakeholders.

So after this introduction, let me now turn to the group's performance in Q3 on the first 9 months of 2025 on Page 4. In the third quarter, the group delivered a plus 7.7% organic growth, including a strong 12.6% in Electrification. Over the first 9 months of 2025, the group standard sales reached EUR 5.3 billion, representing a plus 5.8% organic growth compared to last year. Over the same period, Electrification, which remains the core of Nexans growth, recorded a plus 9.4% organic growth, confirming our disciplined execution across our 3 segments, which are Transmission, Grid and Connect.

Our Transmission adjusted backlog reached EUR 7.9 billion at the end of September, providing for Nexans a strong visibility for the coming years. And no later than today, I am pleased to announce the acquisition of Electro Cables in Canada that will be reinforcing Nexans' position in PWR-Connect in a highly dynamic market and with approximately EUR 125 million current sales on a yearly basis. And I will come back on that on the next slide. In short, the first 9 months confirm the solid and disciplined growth of our Electrification businesses. This performance reflects our sharp focus on high added value solution and our selective approach to capture the strong underlying trends in Electrification.

So before we move to our segment in details, I wanted to highlight something that is important to me. So I will move to Slide 5. Our Innovation Summit in Toronto that took place 2 weeks ago was a great platform for exchange with our platinum customers, our technology experts and our partners. Nexans becoming a pure player of Electrification. So I believe that our role is to bring together the key stakeholders of the electrification ecosystem to imagine and to build collectively the next level of electrification that is critical to our societies from powering homes and hospitals to supporting education and many other essential services. The choice of holding this event in Canada reflects our strong interest in North America. Canada is a powerful growth platform for Nexans, both for the Grid and the robustness of this construction industry in our Connect segment.

So talking about Canada, I will now move to Page 6, where I will present the acquisition of Electro Cables that was signed today, this morning, in fact. Electro Cables is a Canadian player in low-voltage cable system, delivering a high performance and service-focused solution. This company represents a strong strategic complement to Nexans Canadian portfolio, offering an attractive growth perspective and a robust profitability profile. This acquisition also allows Nexans to further strengthen and complement its portfolio in Canada, enhancing its position in a very dynamic market while optimizing local supply chain efficiency. It also paves the way for valuable synergies driven by Nexans' expanded local presence and the rollout of its proven proprietary SHIFT program while enhancing innovation. This acquisition will be fully financed in cash, leveraging Nexans' strong balance sheet and is expected to be EPS accretive from day 1 and from year 1.

Now moving to Page 7. Let me now comment the overall group performance over the first 9 months of 2025. Standard sales reached EUR 5.3 billion, representing a plus 5.8% of organic growth, confirming a solid trajectory for the group. The growth continues to be driven by Electrification business, which make up the core of Nexans strategy. It delivered a plus 9.4% organic growth over the period. Let me remind you that this is well above our Capital Market Day organic growth that we have announced last November of a CAGR between plus 3% and plus 5%. This performance reflects the disciplined execution in Transmission and in Grid as well as the recovery in Connect during this third quarter.

Other Activities, mainly Metallurgy, a strategic segment for Nexans, posted a plus 4.1% organic growth over the first 9 months of this year. And as you know, we observed unusually high level of external sales in H1 that was driven by customer bringing forward orders ahead of the U.S. tariff. As expected, this overstocking subsequently led to correction in Q3 2025. The Non-electrification activity declined by minus 6% as expected, given the challenging automotive market. We remain very active to make this disposal of autoelectric, the last remaining activity to finalize our portfolio rotation. So overall, the group growth is at a high level and fueled by healthy growth drivers in Electrification, which remains our main engine of value creation.

So let's now take a closer look at our different segments, starting with Transmission on Page 8. Performance was particularly strong over the first 9 months of 2025 with standard sales above EUR 1 billion, which is up by 25% organically versus last year and with a very strong Q3, up by 33%. This strong performance reflects solid execution, a favorable production mix and a more installation campaign carried out in Q3 compared with last year. Now regarding GSI projects, let me confirm once again that we keep working hand-in-hand with our customers. We have a very collaborative approach with them on this ongoing project that is on track as per schedule and milestones.

Last but not least, Transmission pipeline of activity remained robust, supported by sustained demand for interconnection and offshore projects across our key markets. Our adjusted backlog stands at EUR 7.9 billion, which is up by 27% compared to last year, providing a strong visibility until 2028. So in short, the PWR-Transmission segment continues to deliver, thanks to the quality of the execution.

I will now move to Page 9 on the following slide regarding PWR-Grid. So PWR-Grid sales reached EUR 989 million, which represents a plus 6.7% organic growth for the first 9 months, which also represents a plus 9% in Q3. This reflects solid structural trends coming from replacement of offset grids and the connection of renewables to the Grid, coming from Electrification needs in verticals such as electrical mobility and data center. And it also comes from the high development of our low carbon offers, and I will be able to comment or answer any of the questions regarding this element. Also, our Accessories business continued to be very well oriented over the period. Overall, projects in Europe and North America ramp up under the new frame agreements with major utilities.

So now turning to our PWR-Connect business on Page 10. The net sales of the Connect amounted to EUR 1.7 billion for the first 9 months of 2025 compared to EUR 1.5 billion in the same period last year, representing a plus 1.4% organic growth. You know how contrasted is this segment. We have indeed some strong performing regions with a double-digit organic growth. It's the case for Canada, South America, Middle East and Africa. And so here again, our acquisition of today in Canada will further leverage on wind trend. We continue also to actively grow our tech product as fire safety product with sales growth progressions, which are higher than the market average. That was a key element that we communicated during our last Capital Market Day last year in November.

In contrast, and as you know, some region remains more challenging. That's the case of Nordics in Europe or Asia Pacific, specifically Oceania in Australia, specifically on the residential market. Countries like France, Italy and Spain were quite resilient. And let me deep dive on Italy, where, as you know, we have started our SHIFT complexity reduction program on the new LTC business that we acquired last year. This SHIFT complexity program is completely part of the integration process. So we are currently exiting from low-margin products and low-margin market as per schedule. And I can tell you that the integration process of LTC is going very well.

Moving on now to Page 11. And before we move to the Q&A, let me confirm our full year 2025 guidance, which was upgraded in July. We continue to execute with discipline and focus and remain on track to deliver an adjusted EBITDA between EUR 810 million and EUR 860 million, and a free cash flow between EUR 275 million and EUR 375 million. Let me remind you that this annual guidance upgraded in July is confirmed and does include only 6 months of Lynxeo.

Now entering the final quarter of 2025, we look ahead with confidence. Electrification keeps powering the group performance and Nexans is well positioned to capture this growth with resilience, efficiency and focus. Also, I would like to thank all our teams in Nexans for their commitment and hard work. They are the driving force behind our success on the journey that lies ahead. I am now happy to take on the questions.

[Operator]

[Operator Instructions] We will now take our first question from Daniela Costa of Goldman Sachs.

[Daniela Costa, analyst]

I want to ask one sort of like more medium term and one a bit more shorter term. So I'll do them one at a time. But given the deal you've just done now in Canada, and I think in your commentary remarks on the press release, you're mentioning that you're moving from -- or Nexans moving from execution to expansion. Can you talk a little bit about how you view the balance sheet? What's an ideal positioning? Should we see this deal has sort of more of a start of a wave of deals in Electrification perhaps? And then I'll ask the second one.

[Julien Hueber, executive]

Okay. Thank you, Daniela. So clearly, the capital allocation is not changing. My priority will remain the same. I will focus and accelerate the M&A as per -- based on the same logic as in terms of thesis, basically, which is prioritizing M&As in countries where we are already located in order to reinforce our positions and in order to scale our innovations. And also second thesis is to focus on M&As in countries where we are not. So basically, we'll be looking for bigger acquisitions in these countries. And then the third thesis is also to grow in adjacent to cable, could be around Accessories or any other elements.

[Daniela Costa, analyst]

And then just -- it sounded like in Q2 that the commentary was very strong regarding the outlook for 3Q on Connect. And I think sort of the market in general had interpreted that maybe more like high single digits or maybe above that, and you ended up with some growth, but relatively modest. Was it something in those countries that were weaker that deteriorated further? Or maybe people just got overexcited with the growth rates after the Q2 call? Sort of what's your interpretation of the deviation there?

[Julien Hueber, executive]

Yes, of course. So first of all, Connect is a very contrasted market. We have indeed meet the double-digit growth in South America, Canada, Middle East. That was completely in line with our expectation. For Europe, we were expecting a recovery in the Nordic part that did not happen. So what we have been doing is to accelerate the launch of innovation products. We are launching our more than 10 innovations both in Norway, in Finland and Sweden in order to compensate this. So we will not have any impact in terms of profitability in this area of Europe. On the rest of Europe, we start to see some -- in Q3, we started to see some signals of recovery, specifically in France, Belgium, Italy and Spain.

[Daniela Costa, analyst]

But -- so it was as strong as you expected at the same dynamics you expected at Q2 or...

[Julien Hueber, executive]

So basically, you see the recovery in Q3 in Connect, it's a plus 3.6% compared to -- it's better, it's an improvement compared to Q2. And I expect that Q4 will be on the similar trend in Connect.

[Operator]

And we'll now take our next question from Lucas Ferhani of Jefferies.

[Lucas Ferhani, analyst]

I just wanted to have a bit more information on the North America business. So you said it's about 20% of group revenues. Can you say how much it is in Connect and Grid specifically? And also, do we still have that same split between kind of Canada versus the U.S.? And how would you characterize the EBITDA margins there? Would you say that they're higher kind of than group average? And the last point on that North America business, do you see any risk related to copper tariff in the U.S. that might redirect some volumes towards Canada?

[Julien Hueber, executive]

Thank you, Lucas, for this question. So I just want to remind that when we talk about North America, we are not in the U.S., we are in Canada. We are well positioned in Canada, and this acquisition will strengthen our position there. The split between Connect and Grid, it's mostly a Connect business, and we are in both, of course, markets, but it's mostly Connect business. And this Connect business in Canada is very accretive to the group. We have an extremely high level of first growth, but as well as profitability, hence, our choice to accelerate this M&A in Canada.

Regarding -- sorry, your last part of the question, the copper tariff. We -- basically, we see that there is no impact for us in terms of copper tariff because we are our own brand in Canada, delivering the market in Canada. So we have no impact for that. on the H1 and the H2 will be as expected. So there will be no specific impact there in this part of the world for the tariff.

[Operator]

And we'll now move on to our next question from Chris Leonard of UBS.

[Christopher Leonard, analyst]

So maybe 2, if I can. And focusing on the Transmission business, obviously, a very good quarter in Q3. Can you update us on the contracts that you're still looking at in terms of the pipeline and saying that there's good growth potential here? Is there anything we should expect for 2025 so that you can reach that book-to-bill level of 1x? And within that, could you also help to give us some color on the U.K. National Grid contract again and just give us a flavor for why I believe you decided not to bid and move into the tender on those contracts. Because so far, the pricing looks very strong on those contracts for Prysmian and as a preferred supplier and NKT, it would be helpful to get any color there.

And then a second follow-up question would be on your comments for GSI saying that the contract with IPTO is going well, very collaborative and on track with schedules and milestones. Is there anything more you can give on visibility of a plan B that you spoke to or your previous management team, I suppose, spoke to at first half results? That would be super helpful.

[Julien Hueber, executive]

Okay. Thank you for your questions. I will start and then I will hand over to Vincent Dessale, who is with me in the room today. So basically, indeed, you've seen this strong performance Transmission in Q3 and year-to-date as well. In terms of backlog, you have noticed that we are a book-to-bill of 1 in Q3, and we expect to have a similar approach during the year-end. We are active in terms of -- in the quotation at this moment. We are -- of course, I cannot disclose the number of projects, but we are quite active, and we are positive to do some quotation in Q3, hopefully, with some award in H1 next year. So that's basically the situation.

And regarding the GSI project. As I said, the project is ongoing, extremely good relationship and collative work with IPTO, our customer. And for us, there is no plan B. There is only one plan A, which is keep going and working with our customers to deliver this project. And I will not -- leave Vincent to continue.

[Vincent Dessale, executive]

Yes. Maybe to give some color and to complement Julien answer regarding the backlog, indeed, we have a great improvement compared to last year, plus 27%. You know it. It has been mentioned with some press release, typically the award of the RTE frame agreement in March and more recently, the Malta-Sicily Project. The pipeline remains active. We have indeed -- and just to give an example because it's public recently this week, Terna has announced a new tender for a major interconnection in Italy. So it just gives an example of the robustness of the pipeline. And indeed, we are quite active on what I would call medium-sized projects and large projects, which are going to be awarded in the next 12 months. So quite active backlog and quite active pipeline in the coming months.

[Christopher Leonard, analyst]

And is there any comment on the National Grid contracts that you guys weren't a part of?

[Vincent Dessale, executive]

Yes. Sorry, I forgot this point. I will answer to it, of course. But the story for Nexans has not changed. We are -- we have the SHIFT approach in the project, which means that we are very selective in the way we choose the project that we want to target. We have commented this in the past. It's a mix of technical fit, terms and condition fit, how it fits with the other projects that we have already in the backlog. And indeed, when we look at this frame agreement, it was not answering from our perspective to the different criteria. And as I said, we have other opportunity in the pipeline that we consider from our perspective, more interesting for Nexans.

[Operator]

And we'll now take our next question from Jean-Francois Granjon of ODDO BHF.

[Jean-Francois Granjon, analyst]

Yes. Two questions from my side. The first one concerns the acquisition of Electro Cables. Could you give us some more details regarding the current profitability of this company compared to the profit of the Connect division? And what do you expect? You mentioned an accretive impact, but could you give us some more details? And can you give us the EV and the multiple for the transaction?

And the second question, I will come back on the GSI project. So you confirm the continue of the operations. Could you give us the contribution expected from GSI this year in 2025? And when do you expect next year? And I understood that probably there will ramp-up, and we expect a higher contribution in '26 compared to 2025. Could you give us some more color about that?

[Julien Hueber, executive]

Okay. So first question regarding the new acquisition, Electro Cables. So this is -- this business is relative to Nexans. It's on Canada for us as well. So both our business in Canada and as well as this Electro Cables is in the upper range of the -- above 20% of EBITDA. So it's extremely relative to Nexans. This business is extremely well positioned in market segments which are for us priorities and fully in line with our Capital Market Day. So the -- for example, the data center elements, the infrastructures, gigafactories and so on. So it's completely aligned with what we want to do. We also see some very interesting synergies from a supply chain standpoint between Nexans Canada and Electro Cables. So basically, that's why we decided to move on and to finalize this deal. So that's element -- first positive element.

Regarding GSI, your second question. Well, you know that we have received EUR 250 million of payments the past months in different parts. So this year, we will do approximately EUR 150 million as part of the -- that was what we have communicated. So we will stay on this type of ratio. And maybe, Vincent, you want to comment for...

[Vincent Dessale, executive]

Yes. I think Jean-Francois, I think we will not comment in details, of course, the coming revenue for GSI. But as a matter of fact, this is -- you know the amount of this project is EUR 1.4 billion, basically. We have started in '23, so a smooth ramp-up. And after you can consider that you have a kind of linear activity in the first year and with a kind of acceleration in the last 2 years of the project, '28 and '29 due to the installation, which is usually compact in terms of activity versus the production, which is split basically during 5 years. So that's basically the profile of what you can expect in terms of activity.

[Jean-Francois Granjon, analyst]

Okay. And just the additional question regarding that, you expect you confirm an improvement for the EBIT margin for the Transmission division next year compared to 2025?

[Julien Hueber, executive]

I think, yes, we will come back on you on this when we'll publish our results in February with a new guidance. But what I can tell you is that we are extremely satisfied with the execution of this -- of the different project ongoing and very proud of what the team is doing at this moment in this Transmission stream.

[Operator]

And we'll now move on to our next question from Scott Humphreys of Berenberg.

[Scott Humphreys, analyst]

I just have 2. The first is a very quick follow-up on the tariff topic. So one of your peers has been speaking recently about kind of increasing their purchases of scrap in the U.S. or in North America. From a kind of European perspective, has the reduction in the amount of scrap that China is importing from kind of North America. Is that having any impact on the cost of your scrap in Europe? Or was the Chinese buyer not as significant in Europe in the first place? So that's the first question. But I can -- carry on, please.

[Julien Hueber, executive]

No. So very clear here. So no impact at all in our scrap recycling activities in Europe, no incidents, nothing.

[Scott Humphreys, analyst]

Okay. And the second one, just kind of a broader one on medium voltage. If you could maybe kind of remind us where you are in terms of the process of adding capacity in the medium voltage business in terms of, I guess, Morocco and then you mentioned briefly the low carbon production in France as well. So kind of how are you seeing that the level of capacity in medium voltage given how strong the Grid segment continues to be? And how does that kind of tie in with this additional layer of kind of a focus on production efficiency that you've talked about in addition to the CMD strategy?

[Julien Hueber, executive]

So thank you. This is a very interesting and important question. So you can imagine when we grow your business by 9% year-on-year, of course, it has an impact on manufacturing. So here, first of all, I want to remind you that what the job we have done in the past year was to increase the capacity because we anticipate this large increase in the Grid to come. I just want to remind you the acquisition we did in Reka, Finland 2 years ago with 2 civil lines, the announcement of the additional CapEx in Bourg-en-Bresse, an additional civil lines as well as the [ Safi ], which is Morocco new plant that is going to come. So in terms of capacity increase, I mean, we are completely in line with our plans to sustain this growth.

Now regarding the existing footprint as well, we are -- and that's -- and you've seen in terms of communication that we have done in the past last week, basically, that in order to basically deliver our commitments and objective for 2028, industrial excellence will be key. And that's why we are really accelerating today, the efficiency, the productivity and as well as the competitiveness of our plant in Grid. So we have a full program on that, and that's extremely important to continue on this. And maybe one word because Grid is, of course, cable, but as well Accessories, and I will let Elyette to comment on the Accessories as well.

[Elyette Roux, executive]

Thank you, Julien. So what we can say is that we are accelerating even further away in Accessories. And indeed, as presented in our CMD, we mentioned that we had anticipated the investment in the plants with automation and robotization. So we are basically delivering at the scale that we announced in the CMD.

[Operator]

And we'll now move on to our next question from Nabil Najeeb of Deutsche Bank.

[Nabil Najeeb, analyst]

The first one is on GSI. I think you guys said -- you just said you had received EUR 250 million of cash for GSI so far, and that's the same amount as what you indicated at the H1 stage, which you said should keep you going until early September on GSI execution. So I'm just wondering if you have received any more cash recently? Or are you executing on GSI while waiting for a payment?

And then the second question, given, Julien, you've been in charge of the Grid and Connect business for Europe, I was hoping to get your thoughts on how you see the margin potential for these 2 divisions. I think previously, your predecessor alluded to a longer-term range of around 15% to 16.5% for Grid. Is that a view you share? And what about for Connect?

[Julien Hueber, executive]

Okay. So I will start, of course, by the GSI. So indeed, you know the amount of cash we received, EUR 250 million. We have been completely transparent on this. Once again, what I can tell you is that we are working very closely with IPTO in a very, let's say, collaborative way. And we are in discussion at this moment in terms of the next steps of this project on the milestone and payment is part of it. So I cannot disclose anything, but that's, of course, as you can imagine, a part of our discussion. There's also ongoing discussion on political as well regarding the GSI. But on the cash payments, we are close discussion with IPTO on the -- and that's where we stand today.

Now regarding your second question, indeed, the European business, there are 2 streams, Grid and Connect. So Grid, you are right with more than 15% EBITDA in terms of profitability. Here, you need to understand that in Grid, there is basically 3 parts, 3 elements. First one being the long-term agreement with utilities. And here, we are extremely satisfied with relationship with platinum customers that we're having. We have signed long-term agreement with them. In the past, it used to be 2 years contract agreement. Today, we are talking about 4, 5, 6 years contract. So we give us a very good visibility about the long term.

The second part is project base of Grid, which are renewable solar or wind. Here, it's more, let's say, a project for a few months. And this business is extremely dynamic as well in Europe. I mean, Italy is one of them, Greece, or the other parts of the countries. Here, the profitability of this project are also at the right level of what we are looking for and what is in line with our Capital Market Day. And then you have the third activity, which is Accessories managed by Elyette, which is -- and we have communicated that a few times that is extremely lucrative as a business growing very fast because you know that the accessories part is, let's say, the critical element of the Grid. And our customers, platinum customers are replacing that regularly due to the climate change. And that's also giving us the reason why this business of accessories is growing even faster than the cable. So that's basically for the Grid part.

Now talking about Connect. So Connect contrasted, as I said, businesses. The -- let's say, the profitability in Europe is around 13% EBITDA. And we will be growing this step by step with -- because we have growth patterns in our strategy where we will be growing in the sectors in the verticals for us, which matter the most, data center, critical building, injecting new technology of products, injecting new innovation of products. On that point, I think just for you to understand, we are -- in the past 2 months, we have launched Klaro, new innovation in Italy market with LTC. We are launching in September, ULTIMO innovations in Benelux, MOBIWAY in Norway. All these innovations are comforting the profitability of this business and are providing us also some resiliency because we try to avoid being too much exposed to residential and much more, let's say, focused to the market segments, which are going better.

[Vincent Dessale, executive]

And maybe to add on Julien's comment, just to remind that we have improved significantly over the last year, the performance of the Connect business, thanks exactly to what Julien comment, the SHIFT program deployment plus innovation, which are really the 2 pillars. And if you remember in the last call, we have not given any guidance on the percentage of EBITDA for Connect for very simple reason is that we have an ambition in terms of acquisition and the acquisitions that we do usually are slightly below the average of Nexans.

And we have after the deployment of our integration program in order to bring them at least to the average and sometimes above the average. And indeed, we have -- we know that in the coming years, we'll continue to do this acquisition. So this is basically why we -- how we drive the evolution of the performance of Connect. But as mentioned by Julien, we are confident.

[Julien Hueber, executive]

And one more comment, I think what is very important to understand, in the Connect, you can grow very fast and you can take any type of business. But remember, the strategy of Nexans is to be selective. And for instance, in the Nordic in Q3, I asked the team to be extremely selective in the type of project because we don't want to consume cash for projects which are not accretive to our EBITDA. So we took always the decision to select the type of project and choose the one that really bring both cash and profitability to Nexans.

[Operator]

And we'll now take our next question from Akash Gupta of JPMorgan.

[Akash Gupta, analyst]

My first one is on outlook. So when you raised full year guidance in July, you were guiding double-digit growth in Grid and Connect in Q3, but we saw Grid growth in Q3 was slightly below double digit and Connect was not below double-digit level. And then we also saw some losing momentum in Metallurgy business, which was pretty strong in first half.

So my question is that today, you are reiterating the guidance. But when we look at this guidance corridor and giving consensus is towards the bottom end of the range, where do you expect to end up in the year? Like how much confidence do you have in the midpoint? And how much confidence do you have on the upper end of the range? So that's the first one.

[Julien Hueber, executive]

Okay. Thank you, Akash, for your question. So basically, the Metallurgy tariff impact was none at the moment where we upgraded the guidance. So I think this one is -- there's no, let's say, negative impact whatsoever in terms of the guidance for the year-end 2025. Regarding the Grid and Connect, so our strategy is not always to go for volume. It's also to go for profitable growth. And typically, as I mentioned, for Connect parts, even though, as you say, the volume has been slightly below the expectation of the market. I can tell you that the quality of the growth of the 3.6% based on innovation we are doing, secure our guidance for the year-end.

So I can tell you, that's why we will be securing our guidance by year-end. And I will not now comment where we'll be landing because we are still working on it. Of course, you can imagine. But the quality of the growth we have both in Grid and Connect secure our guidance.

[Akash Gupta, analyst]

And my follow-up question is on Transmission growth. So when we look at the comps in absolute term, I think you will have a toughest comp in Q4. So maybe if you can comment about what sort of growth rates do we expect in Q4? And then when we move from '26 to '25, again, is there any unutilized capacity where utilization can be driver for growth? Or will the growth in 2026 will be mostly coming from project mix?

[Julien Hueber, executive]

Okay. So in Transmission growth, you have seen that -- so basically, we will be -- so you may have some spike from one quarter to another. You see a very strong Q3 numbers, 33%. I would say that our growth for the year-end will be first very well oriented and in line with the average of what we have announced in H1, this type of growth level. Now regarding the vision for 2026, maybe Vincent, you want to comment on this one?

[Vincent Dessale, executive]

Yes. Akash, Vincent speaking. I think you know the story very well. I mean the significant increase of this year is the result of our decision some years ago to make several investments in terms of manufacturing, testing and installation. So it's a kind of expected, I wouldn't say mechanic, but at least expected growth. Now we have a backlog, as mentioned by Julien before, for the next 4 years. So we will be in line in terms of volume with this year because now all the capacity that we have added over the last 3 years are now running and they are fully loaded for the next 4 years. So that's basically the profile of activity for the next 4 years.

And as mentioned by Julien, depending on the different, I would say, planning of the execution, you can have from one quarter to another one, some differences in terms of volumes because you will have more installation, less installation. You know that we do more installation during summertime than during winter time, the usual approach of this business.

[Operator]

And we'll now take our next question from Uma Samlin of Bank of America.

[Uma Samlin, analyst]

So my first question is on -- a follow-up on GSI. I was wondering if you could help us -- how should we think about the progress of GSI so far in relation to your full year guidance? I think in the previous calls, you had mentioned that even if the project does not go ahead, the EUR 250 million that you have received so far would still contribute enough for the guidance to be hit in the mid-range of the guidance. Just wondering if you can confirm if that still is the case.

My second question is on the PWR-Grid market. I guess we've seen a fair share of capacity expansion there. How should we think about pricing versus capacity expansion in PWR-Grid going forward?

[Julien Hueber, executive]

Okay. So GSI, I think I will repeat what I just explained. So basically, yes, indeed, when we -- when the guidance has been raised last July and confirmed today, we completely integrate the GSI elements of the milestone we have with customers. So having no change for that, I can [ contain ] this point.

Now regarding the PWR-Grid, your second question. So it is also a very interesting question. So the growth is there. We demonstrated 9%. The capacity in Nexans -- manufacturing capacity in Nexans is also ready to sustain the growth. And we do not see any change, any pressure on price. Why? Because, first of all, we are -- we have launching low carbon innovations, which are extremely let's say, in line with the expectation of our customers, platinum customers that -- because you may know that the type of medium voltage low carbon offer that we are providing and selling to the market today, they are reducing by 50% the CO2 emission. So you can imagine the importance it has for our customer utilities.

That's why we are able to differentiate from our competitors that are not offering the same thing. And as well as the strong, let's say, no pressure on price in Grid is also linked to the growth we are making in Accessories. Here again, I think you have seen last communication where we are launching innovations on new type of accessories, new joints that are also accelerating the installation phase from our electricians on the field.

[Operator]

And we'll now take our next question from Miguel Borrega of BNP Paribas Exane.

[Miguel Nabeiro Ensinas Serra Borrega, analyst]

Sorry to come back to GSI, which you say is on track, and there is no plan B. But it seems you're now more at risk than where you were in the first half. If the project is really canceled, what are the remedies? How can you replace the production reserves for next year? And do you think there are other projects out there with such a margin? I'm just trying to understand if the previous 17% margin for Transmission as a whole is still possible without GSI.

[Julien Hueber, executive]

Okay. So first of all, the project is not canceled. We are still working on it. They are extremely close discussion on relationship with our customers. There are ongoing discussion on the political side and supported by the European Commission. So I mean this is -- we do not see that as a risk. And we'll come back on that, of course, when we'll have some more, let's say, information to share. But this project is not canceled so far.

Regarding now the -- we have enough pipeline of projects ongoing. Some of them already secured. Some of them are also under quotation. So here, we have so far -- we have no -- let's say, we don't forecast any problem for next year on this part. So basically, on -- maybe Vincent, if you want to add.

[Vincent Dessale, executive]

Yes, maybe to give you some color, I mean, just keep in mind that this project is what we call a mass impregnated project with deepwater installation. And let's be clear, on the previous projects with this type of technological content, we have been only 2 players to be qualified. So you don't have so many players able to deliver so far this technology. And basically, when you look to all the coming projects in Med Sea, for example, they will all request this type of activity. And today, both players are fully loaded for the next 4 years.

So you can imagine that the other projects coming in the pipe are just waiting the available capacity. So as mentioned by Julien, there is no plan B. Today, we are working with our customers in very good collaboration. And we are already working with some potential projects after GSI, which will be '28, '29, basically.

[Miguel Nabeiro Ensinas Serra Borrega, analyst]

Okay. And then just a high-level question as you were previously Head of PWR-Connect and Grid, what can you tell us about recent performance in terms of growth and profitability? And maybe some insights on what will be the #1 priority from here on? Is it accelerating top line growth? Is it continuing to expand margins or accelerate M&A?

And then if I just can squeeze one more on Industry & Solutions. I think there's only Auto-harnesses left to be disposed. Is that still the plan? And do you see other areas potentially up for sale?

[Julien Hueber, executive]

Okay. So I will start by your last comment with autoelectric. So the answer is yes, it is -- there are still ongoing discussions with potential buyers. And this discussion are progressing. So that we will be able to come back to you as soon as something is a bit more concrete on that. But that's something that is part of our strategy to dispose and to become 100% electrical pure play electrification.

Now regarding the -- you like, let's say, what would be the priorities. But basically, capital allocation is clear because we want to accelerate the M&A. That's really my objectives. I think the announcement of today for Canada can demonstrate it. And we have -- the team, M&A teams of Nexans is also very active with different pipeline. So we will review that very quickly to move on these elements. Growth, yes, but profitable growth, selective growth like we have demonstrated since several years. I think we will continue to do this.

And also, we will be extremely -- and we explained that in the Capital Market Day in terms of innovations. We have a pipeline of innovations. There was recently a big event with one of our customers, platinum customers in France. We have seen a lot of electricians understand talking about innovation. There's a big appetite for innovations. And last but not least is the SHIFT and SHIFT AI that maybe we can also explain to you. That's one of our priority. We really want to grow in this segment. And I will give the floor here of Guillaume in charge of strategy and AI for Nexans that maybe can give some color on that.

[Guillaume Eymery, executive]

Thank you, Julien. Indeed, SHIFT AI is a hot topic for us. Basically, it's the platform from which we develop the Nexans AI solutions. And the choice we made is to amplify and accelerate the SHIFT program that has been very successful for Nexans. We focus on 4 axis: costing, complexity reduction, dynamic pricing, client advanced segmentation. And basically, the idea of SHIFT AI is that when a normal manager uses 5% of the data available, we moved to 20% with SHIFT. And with SHIFT AI, we will move to 90%. So at the moment, we are really in the topic of building up this platform, and we will tell you more in '26.

[Julien Hueber, executive]

And maybe just to finish on your question, maybe one of my other priorities, which is for me extremely important, is to work on the industrial excellence, generate mutualization of industrial footprints, both in Grid and Connect because we have here a room of improvement, productivity and competitiveness. So that will be also a key element of my priorities in the coming weeks with the team.

[Operator]

And we'll now take our next question from Eric Lemarie of CIC.

[Eric Lemarié, analyst]

I've got 2, the first one on GSI. I appreciate your various comments on this project, but could you confirm maybe that you're on time with the initial schedule on GSI and that the project has not been somewhat delayed as it is sometimes mentioned by the press? And could you maybe say when you expect to receive the final notice to proceed for GSI?

And I got a second question on the backlog. The backlog on Transmission is flattish, is up year-on-year. I can see that, but it's flattish sequentially this year, around EUR 8 billion. Could you perhaps remind us your strategy here? Is it to properly execute and renew the backlog in good condition? Or is it more to expand the backlog to make it grow further?

[Julien Hueber, executive]

Thank you for your question. Maybe, Vincent, you want to comment?

[Vincent Dessale, executive]

Yes. I can take the backlog, if you wish, Julien. I think what we must have in mind, you have to take a kind of step back, I think. Why the backlog has increased significantly is that, if you remember, in '23, there has been this big move on the market with the Tenet frame agreement, which was basically the largest award of the history of the subsea business, which has basically catch a big part of the capacity on the market. And as a consequence of this major move from Tenet, you have seen plenty of other players placing their tender in order also to avoid a lack of capacity on the market. So '23 was indeed a peak of order intake. So I think now we are more in a normal process because basically, all the key players, we have 4 to 6 years of backlog. So it's quite logical, I will say, that you have a lower activity of tender right now, even if, as we say, it's still very active and very robust. You have the different players have announced award around this year.

But if you follow my logic, you should expect potentially a new peak of order when there will be much more free capacity, which means basically probably more in '27 or '28. And that's why we have said previously that we think that the book-to-bill will be around 1 this year and probably next year due to this -- not due to us, but due to the cycle of the business. So we are focusing to answer to your question to 2 points. First, to execute properly the backlog because we have a good backlog to execute. And indeed, we are looking to the pipeline in order to on time, prepare the next generation of order, which will start basically from '29 onwards. And this means probably, as usual in this business, tendering 2 years in advance before the available capacity.

[Julien Hueber, executive]

And just -- thank you, Vincent. Just to answer your first question regarding GSI, yes, I do confirm we are in time with initial schedule, and we are in close discussion with our customers about the next steps. And so that's where we are standing today.

[Operator]

And we'll now take our next question from Xin Wang of Barclays.

[Xin Wang, analyst]

A quick follow-up on GSI, given we can't see your financial statements. Can you confirm for the volumes produced since September, are these sitting as contract assets or trade receivables on your balance sheet, please?

[Vincent Dessale, executive]

Just maybe a clarification because you speak a lot about the production. And I think just as a reminder, a project is not only production. I will not give you in details the detail of the scheduling of the project. But when we -- all what we have done since the beginning of this project is, of course, engineering, testing, production and so on. So when we say that we are on track, as mentioned by Julien, it means that we are on track not only with manufacturing, but also with jointing activities, with testing activities, with engineering activities, and this is basically what we are doing.

So we have produced, I think, probably around 240 kilometers more or less. And indeed, we are continuing with both production and jointing and testing. That's the normal life of a project from a pure -- to give some color on the -- what does it mean from an operational perspective. It's not only production. If not, the project will not progress as planned.

[Xin Wang, analyst]

Okay. I think my question was more on for the work you did since September, are you able to invoice them?

[Julien Hueber, executive]

So yes, we have been -- of course, we have been invoicing the customer as per normal, as per the ongoing project as per the milestone. So -- but that's nothing exceptional to report as usual, yes.

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[Xin Wang, analyst]

Sorry, I didn't quite get the last bit.

[Julien Hueber, executive]

So it's Christine, our interim CFO, which was saying that our exposure is completely aligned with -- there's nothing special to report yet.

[Xin Wang, analyst]

Okay. Great. And then my second one is, do you think there is a temporary regional oversupply in Canada since the introduction of U.S. tariffs? Because in H1, it was very obvious that you were exporting a lot more copper to the U.S., which was reflected in very high other activity numbers as you also commented in Q3, this was negative 6.3% year-on-year.

[Julien Hueber, executive]

So I don't think so for Canada. We have a very strong growth in Canada, close to 20% growth year-on-year, extremely dynamic. You know that we have 2 type of business, Grid and Connect. The Grid, it's fueled by long-term projects, long-term agreement with customers, utilities. So here, we are very well secured on the visibility.

And in terms of Connect, we are -- what the team is doing is to really focus the activity on the specific verticals, data center, critical buildings. And here, again, there is no -- we don't see any specific additional competition from outside the Canada or from any other country. So basically, we are very well secured in this market, very dynamic with very long capability to grow in terms of construction infrastructure.

[Xin Wang, analyst]

Okay. Good to know. And then final one, is the 9% Grid growth margin diluting? Because I think previously, management commented on sensitivity table between organic growth and margin. Is there a shift on how you think about the market?

[Julien Hueber, executive]

I can tell you that it's not diluted. This Grid business is extremely profitable. And so no dilution at all. It's -- we are completely aligned. Once again, we are aligned with the target we have communicated in Capital Market Day, both in terms of profitability and in terms of growth.

[Operator]

Thank you. There are no further questions in queue. I will now hand it back to Julien for final remarks.

[Julien Hueber, executive]

So thank you, operator. So let me just finish by saying that I believe the solid performance delivered in our trading update today confirm the robustness of Nexans model and discipline with which we execute it. Now we enter into a final quarter with confidence, and we reiterate you have seen and you understood today our 2025 guidance. I'm very pleased to go now on the roadshows and to meet investors in the coming weeks. Thank you again for joining today.

[Operator]

Thank you. This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.