Bird Construction Inc
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Market Cap: 1.6B CAD

Q1-2025 Earnings Call

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Earnings Call on May 15, 2025

Revenue Growth: Bird Construction delivered first quarter revenue of $717.6 million, up 4.3% year-over-year, with growth driven mainly by the infrastructure segment.

Margin Expansion: Gross profit margin improved to 9.4% from 8% last year, and adjusted EBITDA margin reached 4.8% in Q1, reflecting disciplined project selection and increased self-perform capabilities.

Record Backlog: Backlog hit an all-time high of $4.3 billion, with $1.3 billion added in Q1 and strong visibility for revenue into 2026.

Guidance Reaffirmed: Management reaffirmed its 2025 and 2027 targets, including a goal of 8% adjusted EBITDA margin by 2027, despite some near-term deferrals in industrial maintenance work.

Strong Pipeline: The company sees a healthy and accelerating pipeline of opportunities, supported by significant infrastructure, energy, and defense sector demand.

Balance Sheet Strength: Bird maintains significant liquidity, with $137.8 million in cash and low net debt, supporting both organic growth and M&A.

Maintenance Deferrals: Some industrial maintenance revenue has shifted to the second half of the year, but overall demand remains robust, and the company expects to catch up by year-end.

Revenue & Backlog Growth

Bird Construction reported continued revenue growth in the first quarter, with total revenue reaching $717.6 million, up 4.3% year-over-year. The company added $1.3 billion to its backlog in Q1, growing the total backlog to a record $4.3 billion. Management highlighted strong visibility into full year revenue and into 2026, supported by both contracted and pending backlog.

Margin Profile & Profitability

Gross profit margin increased to 9.4% from 8% last year, with adjusted EBITDA margin rising to 4.8%. Margin expansion was attributed to improvements in project selection, increased self-perform capabilities, and contributions from the Jacob Brothers acquisition. Management noted that both adjusted EBITDA and adjusted earnings growth are outpacing revenue growth, a trend expected to continue.

Guidance and Outlook

Management reaffirmed its 2025 and 2027 financial guidance, including the target of achieving an 8% adjusted EBITDA margin by 2027. Despite some near-term headwinds from deferred industrial maintenance work, the company remains confident in its ability to meet its strategic targets, with strong backlog and embedded margins providing visibility and confidence.

Industrial Maintenance Deferrals

Some industrial maintenance revenue, estimated at $20–25 million in Q1 and expected to be similar in Q2, has been deferred to later in the year by clients taking a cautious approach amid economic uncertainty. Management expects these deferrals to be temporary, with the majority of work resuming in the second half, and sees emerging new business opportunities in this area.

Capital Allocation & Liquidity

Bird's balance sheet remains robust, with $137.8 million in cash and $336.7 million in available credit. Free cash flow conversion of net income was 62.9%, and the company continues to pursue a balanced capital allocation strategy, including ongoing investments, dividends, and active evaluation of M&A opportunities.

Sector & Project Diversification

The company highlighted its success in diversifying across infrastructure, buildings, and industrial markets, and noted strong momentum in key sectors like energy (including both clean and conventional), mining, transportation, and defense. Recent project awards and the ability to self-perform a wide range of services have supported margin improvement and backlog growth.

Market Environment & Regulatory Developments

Management observed positive changes in the permitting environment, with indications of more support and partnership from federal and provincial governments, particularly for large energy and infrastructure projects. The outlook for project awards, especially in the defense and northern sectors, has improved, with major projects moving forward and little evidence of significant cancellations.

Revenue
$717.6 million
Change: Up 4.3% year-over-year.
Gross Profit Margin
9.4%
Change: Up from 8% last year.
Adjusted EBITDA
$34.1 million
Change: Up 41% year-over-year.
Adjusted EBITDA Margin
4.8%
Change: Up from 3.5% last year.
Guidance: Targeting 8% by 2027.
Net Income
$9.4 million
Change: Down from $10 million last year.
Earnings Per Share
$0.17
Change: Down from $0.19 last year.
Adjusted Earnings
$12.9 million
Change: Up 14.5% year-over-year.
Backlog
$4.3 billion
Change: Record high.
Pending Backlog
$4 billion
Change: Increased modestly.
Operating Cash Flow Growth (TTM)
up 14%
Change: Up 14% year-over-year.
Free Cash Flow Growth (TTM)
up 24%
Change: Up 24% year-over-year.
Free Cash Flow Conversion of Net Income
62.9%
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Free Cash Flow Per Share
$1.13
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Cash and Cash Equivalents
$137.8 million
No Additional Information
Available Credit Facility
$336.7 million
No Additional Information
Current Ratio
1.27
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Adjusted Net Debt to Trailing 12-Month Adjusted EBITDA
0.71x
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Long-term Debt-to-Equity Ratio
31%
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Revenue
$717.6 million
Change: Up 4.3% year-over-year.
Gross Profit Margin
9.4%
Change: Up from 8% last year.
Adjusted EBITDA
$34.1 million
Change: Up 41% year-over-year.
Adjusted EBITDA Margin
4.8%
Change: Up from 3.5% last year.
Guidance: Targeting 8% by 2027.
Net Income
$9.4 million
Change: Down from $10 million last year.
Earnings Per Share
$0.17
Change: Down from $0.19 last year.
Adjusted Earnings
$12.9 million
Change: Up 14.5% year-over-year.
Backlog
$4.3 billion
Change: Record high.
Pending Backlog
$4 billion
Change: Increased modestly.
Operating Cash Flow Growth (TTM)
up 14%
Change: Up 14% year-over-year.
Free Cash Flow Growth (TTM)
up 24%
Change: Up 24% year-over-year.
Free Cash Flow Conversion of Net Income
62.9%
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Free Cash Flow Per Share
$1.13
No Additional Information
Cash and Cash Equivalents
$137.8 million
No Additional Information
Available Credit Facility
$336.7 million
No Additional Information
Current Ratio
1.27
No Additional Information
Adjusted Net Debt to Trailing 12-Month Adjusted EBITDA
0.71x
No Additional Information
Long-term Debt-to-Equity Ratio
31%
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Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Bird Construction First Quarter Results Conference Call and Webcast. We will begin with Terry McKibbon, President and Chief Executive Officer's presentation, which will be followed by a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]

Before commencing with the conference call, the company reminds those present that certain statements which are made express management's expectations or estimates of future performance, and therefore, constitute forward-looking information. Forward-looking information is necessarily based on a number of estimates and assumptions that, while considered reasonable by management, are inherently subject to significant business, economic, and competitive uncertainties and contingencies. Management's formal comments and responses to any questions you might ask may include forward-looking information. Therefore, the company cautions today's participants that such forward-looking information involves known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may cause the actual financial results, performance, or achievements of the company to be materially different from the company's estimated future results, performance, or achievements expressed or implied by the forward-looking information. Forward-looking information does not guarantee future performance. The company expressly disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking information, whether as a result of new information, events or otherwise. In addition, the presentation today includes references to a number of financial measures, which do not have standardized meanings under IFRS and may not be comparable with similar measures presented by other companies and are therefore considered non-GAAP measures.

I would now like to turn the call over to Terry McKibbon, President and CEO of Bird Construction.

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Terrance McKibbon
executive

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our first quarter 2025 conference call. And with me today is Wayne Gingrich, Bird's Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to acknowledge our teams across the country who recognized Safety Week last week. At Bird, prioritizing safety is integral to our operations, ensuring our employees return home safely each day while also serving as a cornerstone of our operational excellence. This commitment not only enhances our performance, but also positions us for sustained growth and long-term success. Thank you to our teams for their continued dedication to safety and excellence.

Turning to our first quarter highlights. Our team delivered a solid quarter with continued revenue growth and significant gross profit and EBITDA margin expansion compared to last year. Adjusted earnings growth continued to outpace revenue growth, and Bird's backlog reached a record level of $4.3 billion at the end of the quarter. Bird's balance sheet remains strong with sufficient liquidity to allow continued capital investment supporting our organic growth and returns to shareholders while retaining flexibility for Bird to explore attractive M&A opportunities in today's active environment. Our overall foundation is strong, and we remain well positioned to navigate macroeconomic uncertainty and evolving trade policies. Our diverse risk balance and highly collaborative combined backlog provides good visibility into full year revenues and continued margin accretion as we progress toward our strategic targets.

An ongoing strategic priority for Bird is continuing to improve the margin profile of our business. We are achieving this through our focus on margin-accretive sectors with long-term demand drivers, disciplined project selection, increasing our self-perform capabilities, and realizing structural cost efficiencies through scalable operational excellence, automation, and technology.

As shown on Slide 3, the company has made great progress over the past few years in this regard, having increased our first quarter adjusted EBITDA margin to 4.8%. On a trailing 12-month basis, our EBITDA margin now stands at 6.5%, putting us 150 basis points of our 2027 adjusted EBITDA margin target of 8%, which we remain confident in achieving, supported by our record combined backlog with favorable embedded margins.

Looking ahead, Bird's pipeline of attractive opportunities in today's active bidding environment is expected to drive further revenue growth and margin accretion that are in line with the company's strategic targets. At Q1, Bird added $1.3 billion to its backlog in the first quarter between conversions of pending backlog and new awards, exceeding work executed in the quarter by 85% and growing our backlog of contracted work to $4.3 billion, the highest reported in the company's history. Pending backlog of awarded but not yet contracted work increased modestly to $4 billion at quarter end, with new awards more than replacing the significant conversion to backlog in the quarter and continues to include approximately $950 million of master service agreements and other recurring revenue. Bird's combined backlog continues to reflect a high proportion of collaborative contract types and higher embedded margins than in the prior year. We expect further significant conversions of pending backlog to backlog in the second quarter of 2025, adding to our record backlog and providing good visibility into revenue growth for the full year and into 2026.

Bidding pipeline remains strong. And with the federal election now behind us, Bird is well positioned to benefit from government commitments to position Canada as a global energy superpower across both clean and conventional energy sectors as well as substantial investment in nation-building infrastructure. These investments present opportunities in technically complex projects across the energy, mining and transportation sectors. Our significant and highly-skilled electrical workforce continues to be a key differentiator, enabling Bird to play a growing role in electrification and other related scopes of work aligned with Canada's energy and infrastructure evolution. Bird's strong presence in high-demand, economically resilient sectors enhances long-term visibility and allows us to pursue projects aligned with our risk-balanced margin-accretive strategy. Recent project awards highlight the sustained demand across our target sectors, reinforcing our ability to consistently win work in these strategic areas and our confidence in the long-term outlook.

In the transportation infrastructure market, Bird secured a highway improvement civil infrastructure project through our recently acquired subsidiary, Jacob Brothers, and finalized the significant Project Alliance Agreement for the East Harbor Transit Hub, which marks the formal start of the execution phase. In buildings, Bird was awarded a multiphase expansion and renovation of the Cottonwoods long-term care facility and the design and construction of 200 new residential housing units for the Canadian Armed Forces. In industrial, Bird was awarded new contracts as part of Dow's Path2Zero project and a contract extension for early site development works at Woodfibre LNG, both of which are large capital investment projects, which we will discuss further on the next slide. Additionally, we were awarded multiple work packages supporting Ontario Power Generation's nuclear program, with the design and construction of 6 projects contributing to ongoing operations and refurbishment efforts. Large capital investment projects remain an important part of our strategy, offering multiyear visibility and strong margin potential.

While only a selection is highlighted here, Bird is actively engaged in a broader range of opportunities across the country. These large-scale initiatives, primarily in complex high-demand infrastructure and the industrial sectors, often begin with 1 or 2 work packages. Through strong execution, we can expand our role over time through additional scopes and grow our presence on site. We continue to see significant activity on these projects and our involvement continues to expand. We recently announced an extension of our work at Woodfibre LNG, new work packages at Dow's Path2Zero initiative, and the signing of a Project Alliance Agreement for the East Harbor Transit Hub where construction is now underway. Looking ahead, we see a strong pipeline of opportunities as Canada advances its clean and conventional energy ambitions and decarbonization goals. The potential for more streamlined approvals of major projects could further accelerate momentum and strengthen overall market confidence.

I'll now hand the call over to Wayne to cover our first quarter financial performance in more detail.

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Wayne Gingrich
executive

Thank you, Terry. Construction revenue of $717.6 million was earned in the first quarter compared to $688.2 million earned in the first quarter of 2024, representing a 4.3% increase year-over-year. Infrastructure accounted for the majority of revenue growth, largely due to contributions from Jacob Brothers and increased work programs for mining clients. Growth was partially offset by minor declines in buildings and industrial work programs due to less favorable seasonal weather conditions compared to Q1 2024 and the deferral of certain industrial maintenance work until later in the year.

The company's margin profile in the first quarter of 2025 continued to improve compared to the prior year, with gross profit percentage increasing to 9.4% compared to 8%. All business units contributed to the increase in gross profit, with the overall margin increase driven primarily by higher growth in infrastructure through gross profit contributions from Jacob Brothers. The increase in gross profit continues to reflect the improved margin profiles on newer work resulting from disciplined project selection and cost control, growing self-perform capabilities, and cross-selling opportunities across the company.

Adjusted EBITDA of $34.1 million, or 4.8% of revenues in the first quarter, compared to $24.2 million, or 3.5% of revenues in Q1 2024, representing an increase of 41%. Net income and earnings per share were $9.4 million and $0.17 in the first quarter, compared to $10 million and $0.19 in the prior year. The marginal decline includes the impact of noncash amortization of acquisition intangibles related to Jacob Brothers, which was acquired in August 2024. Adjusted earnings and adjusted EPS, which exclude the impact of these nonoperating factors, better show the contribution from ongoing operations. Adjusted earnings increased 14.5% to $12.9 million in the quarter. I would further highlight that both adjusted EBITDA and adjusted earnings growth are outpacing revenue growth, which is a trend that we expect to see throughout the year.

Bird's healthy balance sheet and strong operating and free cash flow generation remain a differentiator for the company, supporting our strategic growth initiatives and our balanced capital allocation approach. On a trailing 12-month basis, Bird's operating cash flow and free cash flow generation remained healthy. Operating cash flow generation for the year was up 14% compared to Q1 2024, and free cash flow generation was up 24% from Q1 2024. Free cash flow conversion of net income was 62.9% and free cash flow per share was $1.13. The company's current ratio was 1.27. Our adjusted net debt to trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA ratio was 0.71x, and our long-term debt-to-equity ratio was 31% at the end of the first quarter.

Bird's liquidity position remains strong with $137.8 million of cash and cash equivalents and an additional $336.7 million available under the company's syndicated credit facility to support ongoing investments in growth-related working capital, project-driven capital expenditures, and potential acquisitions to further diversify service offerings and self-perform capabilities. Bird's capital allocation strategy remains balanced, supporting both near-term growth and long-term value creation. We continue to invest in the growth of the business and support our growing work programs while maintaining a relatively low capital intensity profile. Bird's dividend reflects our commitment to delivering direct shareholder returns, aligned with our long-term dividend payout ratio target of 33% over a 2025 to 2027 strategic plan period. We remain active in evaluating accretive M&A opportunities. It's a dynamic environment, and we'll continue to take a disciplined, opportunistic approach to pursue acquisitions that enhance our platform and drive shareholder value.

With that, I'll turn the call back to Terry for closing remarks.

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Terrance McKibbon
executive

Thanks, Wayne. Bird's strategic focus on geographic diversification and balancing exposure across infrastructure building and industrial markets, combined with targeting key sectors with favorable long-term demand drivers, continues to reinforce the strength and resilience of our business foundation. This resilience has enabled continued growth in revenue and improved margin profiles in the first quarter of 2025 despite the deferral of some industrial maintenance spending to the latter half of the year. While similar timing dynamics may affect second quarter revenue growth, our record combined backlog at quarter's end provides strong visibility into full year revenue growth, aligned with strategic targets and continued margin improvement towards our 2027 goal of an 8% adjusted EBITDA margin.

The bidding environment remains active, supported by recent awards across key sectors, and a healthy pipeline of active opportunities is expected to sustain or grow our backlog through the remainder of the year. We remain focused on the strong execution of our current projects, including our significant portfolio of work on large capital investment projects, and driving revenue growth and margin expansion through our targeted strategy. Bird's strong presence in key infrastructure and industrial markets aligns well with the evolving commitments of the federal government. Federal government has a renewed focus on building Canada into a clean and conventional energy superpower, and we are well positioned to support this vision.

I'll now turn the call back to the operator for questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Chris Murray with ATB Capital Markets.

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Chris Murray
analyst

Just looking at the backlog growth in the quarter, pretty remarkable, almost 2x. And so you've certainly talked about a few other contracts moving in Q2, and you're now starting to look at the pending backlog. When we start thinking about growth at these levels, you've talked about your long-term plan, call it, 10% organic on a regular basis. And I appreciate that just looking at [ some of ] your numbers, the duration of that backlog is probably going to extend a little bit. But is there the opportunity with the amount of work you have coming at you that we could start looking at higher levels of growth? Or is there something that just maybe constrains you for what seems to be a pretty aggressive demand profile coming at you?

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Terrance McKibbon
executive

Yes. I think where we're -- how we're thinking of it today is our plan, hitting our strategic plan and the guidance we've given you for that. I think those are reasonable targets. We have a high degree of confidence. I don't think we want to get ahead of that. Yes, overtime, potentially. But I think our focus is on our plan right now and the dynamics. We're excited about -- we're really seeing the diversification into different end markets really paying off, and the markets we've been really focused on are the markets that have a lot of momentum. So that's always exciting. You don't always see that. Sometimes you'll be focused in an area that gets some pressure that you wouldn't have anticipated. But it just feels right now that the markets that we're targeting and focused on have got a lot of momentum, and some of the older markets historically we might have been in do not. So we've obviously pivoted. Our team's strategy has really paid off.

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Chris Murray
analyst

And then just thinking about guidance for the year. Q1, I guess it's more -- Q1 was pretty decent, in fact, better than we thought, especially on the margin side. Any thoughts on how Q2 is progressing so far to date? Anything we should be thinking about in terms of either growth on the revenue line or in the margin profile? It feels like even though the second half might be loaded, Q2, you've got decent weather. Feels like there's a lot of projects on the go. So any thoughts around the near-term view on the quarter would be great.

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Wayne Gingrich
executive

Yes, I can take that one, Chris. So a couple of thoughts. We've tried to provide a little bit of guidance on where we expect revenues to come for Q2 in our outlook section there. And we said some of the factors that impacted Q1 with some of the maintenance revenues shifting to the right a little bit by some of our clients. We think that impact is still going to be there for Q2. But we're confident they're still going to proceed for the year at this point in time. So it's again, driving that growth to the second half, if you will. But the margin profile of the work that we have in place right now is really strong. And I think you see that with what we did in Q1, where year-over-year, I think our margins grew 120, 130 basis points. And a portion of that certainly would relate to the infrastructure work that Jacob Brothers is doing. But if you look at all of our business units, like the building business, industrial, the other parts of our infrastructure business outside of Jacob Brothers, all of those entities had higher margins in Q1. So our margins embedded in our backlog and our pending backlog are at higher levels than they were for the work program coming into place in '24 in Q1. So we expect strong margin growth as well in Q2 and certainly in the back half of the year as well. And we also try to say that our EBITDA growth and our adjusted earnings and adjusted EPS growth are going to outpace the revenue growth, and we expect that trend to continue in Q2, Q3, and Q4.

Operator

Our next question comes from Krista Friesen with CIBC.

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Krista Friesen
analyst

I was wondering if -- maybe just to dig in on the comment about some of the revenue to be pushed into the back half of the year. I think you also made this comment when you had reported Q4 results. I was just wondering if now, versus a few months ago when you reported Q4, if you're seeing more of that revenue being pushed into the back half because of deferrals that relate to economic uncertainty or if your view is the same as it was a month or 2 ago.

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Wayne Gingrich
executive

I think the big difference from what we said in March is just what we're seeing on some of the maintenance that's shifting a little bit with some of our clients taking a pretty pragmatic approach to what they're planning their spend on until they get a little bit more visibility and maybe some of the economic uncertainty subsides a bit. But at some point, you're going to have to do the maintenance on those facilities, right? So you can certainly defer it in the short term, but at some point, you're going to have to do it. And I think in Q1, we also saw very small impacts in buildings and a few small impacts in industrial as well, but nothing significant. So when we were putting our forecast together for the first half at year-end, we had said the growth was certainly going to be back-end loaded, maybe twice as high in the back half is what the growth was going to be in the first half, probably a little bit higher than that now, where the back half is going to be even more weighted on the growth side because we're seeing some of those impacts that we had in Q1 also impact Q2. But again, we see the second half with the visibility we have with our backlog and expected pending backlog conversions to be in a really good spot going into Q3 and Q4 for some good organic revenue growth.

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Terrance McKibbon
executive

Krista, it's Terry. I also think that the pace of new opportunities just feels like it's accelerating, and that covers the whole spectrum, including maintenance. So there are new opportunities for us in maintenance that we haven't seen before that are evolving. They take time. But we're excited about the business -- the various business we have and the positions they have because there's -- the demand is not softening at all. It's just some of it is timing.

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Krista Friesen
analyst

And then maybe just one last one on the M&A front. Obviously, your balance sheet is in a great position. Just wondering what you're seeing in the market, if there's maybe hesitation from sellers or if the pipeline is robust.

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Terrance McKibbon
executive

Yes. So as we've spoken to in the past, we have a pretty narrow focus on M&A that we look for companies that want to work with us exclusively, and we want to retain the leadership team. And so we're not out there participating in auctions to a certain extent. So the pace has not really softened for us. We get approached on a pretty regular basis for new opportunities. So our queue is fairly full of things we're evaluating and things we're working our way through. So I would say that as we look out towards what's ahead, we're continuing -- our position on finding those nuggets out there hasn't changed at all. We're excited about what the demands we have in the future, and it seems like we see a bit of a stabilizing macroeconomic activity with Canada seem to be settling. We've got a new government in place. It just feels like as we get through Q2, things are going to be more normalized.

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Tupholme with TD Cowen.

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Michael Tupholme
analyst

Maybe just to start on the industrial maintenance deferrals. Can you give us some sense for how much of an impact they had on the first quarter? And it sounds like you expect them to carry on into the second quarter. Is it a similar impact? Or is it actually greater just because they may not have been in place right from the beginning of the year? Just trying to get a sense for, again, impact in Q1 and how that compares to the way you're thinking about it for Q2.

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Wayne Gingrich
executive

Yes, I can take that. I mean, certainly, in Q1, we're still doing maintenance for our clients. It's not that all of our work program got deferred. So you're talking about tens of millions, like plus or minus $20 million, $25 million impact kind of thing in Q1. I would expect a similar impact in Q2, but we're still going to be doing the majority of our maintenance, but some things are shifting to the right. So I'd say it's probably in that order of magnitude for Q2.

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Michael Tupholme
analyst

Okay. And the way you're thinking about it in terms of suggesting it's being deferred to the latter part of the year is they -- it's clear you think they will resume, but do they make up for what was lost in the first half of the year in the second half? Or is it just everything shifted to the right, and you do [ what's done ] in the second half?

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Terrance McKibbon
executive

I'd say the 2 points to that: yes, but also there's new business evolving that I think we'd be active in by Q3 if we're successful. It's early days, but there's new things that I think will pick up if there's any gaps. And that's exciting because these are brand-new fronts we've never had before.

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Michael Tupholme
analyst

So just -- I mean, this seems like the one thing you're calling out that was maybe a little bit different than the way you thought about the outlook when last presented. So just to be clear, is the 2025 outlook as previously articulated and also the 3-year plan, is that all still being reaffirmed? Or is anything changing with any of that, the prior outlook and guidance for 2025, 2027?

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Wayne Gingrich
executive

No, we're reaffirming all of the guidance for 2027. For 2025, we're just seeing a bit of a shift into the second half of the year.

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Michael Tupholme
analyst

And then you spoke earlier on the call about the strength of the margins and the level of improvement you saw, 130 basis points of year-over-year improvement in adjusted EBITDA. So that's quite a nice, healthy level of improvement. You're still targeting this 8% by 2027, but it feels like maybe you're getting closer to that level more quickly. Is that a possibility that, in fact, you -- maybe that's still the end point that you get to in 2027, but are you getting there more quickly? Is 2025 shaping up to be a year where actually the margin is outperforming your expectations, could come in higher than you originally thought?

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Wayne Gingrich
executive

Well, certainly, Q1 margins came in stronger. So that's one data point, I guess. With the margins we're seeing in our backlog and pending backlog, they're certainly higher than the work we brought in. So again, we see this upward momentum in what our margins are. Yes, I think, as Terry mentioned earlier, if you look at our EBITDA on a trailing 12-month basis, we're 6.5% at the end of March 2025. So if you forward ahead to '27, we have 11 quarters to go, I guess, by year-end '27, and we're calling 8%. So we have 150 basis points to improve over the next 11 quarters. The one thing I'd say about [ construction ] is it's never perfectly linear. There's always going to be a few ups and downs along the way. But in terms of the trajectory we're on, yes, we feel pretty confident on the path we're on.

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Michael Tupholme
analyst

And then, I mean, in some ways, I've kind of already asked a few things related to this. But you're reaffirming your guidance for the year and the multiyear. You've called out these industrial deferrals, which doesn't sound like they're likely to impact your view on guidance for the year. It sounds like it's the one kind of area where there's been a bit of a change. Everything else seems like it's going quite well in terms of backlog growth and demand for your services. So I guess just in the context of thinking about macroeconomic uncertainty and trade-related uncertainty, is there -- are you seeing anything that is suggesting this could spread to other areas? Or are you quite confident that this is somewhat of a unique situation with these industrial deferrals?

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Terrance McKibbon
executive

Well, I think, first of all, the pace of the business overall in so many different areas, and some of these are new, is so high that I think that it gets offset by the pace of new opportunities. If we're a little softer here, somebody defers something, it just opens up capacity for us to move that team to something else. And so it's actually, in the longer term, it's probably a bigger positive because it opens up new customers and new projects for us if we've got tighter capacity. So I think for us, I think, the opportunities are really strong, and we're excited about the next few years with the scale of these opportunities. It's not something that anyone's ever seen before.

Operator

Our next question comes from Maxim Sytchev with National Bank Financial.

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Maxim Sytchev
analyst

Terry, maybe just the first question for you. As you guys are doing more integrated project delivery contracts, and obviously, margins are moving in a very positive direction. One of your peers suggested that there is some margin -- I mean not dilution, but again, because it's lower risk, therefore, low return dynamic. Obviously, you're not seeing this. Do you mind maybe explaining a little bit in terms of why that's the case for you specifically?

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Terrance McKibbon
executive

Well, I think you've got various forms of collaborative contracts, such as IPD or alliance contracts. You've got some progressive design builds now that governments are using with a target. And first of all, most of these projects have got a lot of scale, so they're quite sophisticated. I think the demand is high overall across the country, and we have such high demand, companies have a good lens of their capacity. And the larger companies, obviously, got a lot of work. Everyone in the sector has got considerable backlog growth. So they're being pretty selective with their capacity and how they look at things. I think the real benefit at Bird that may be a bit different than who you're talking about, I'm not sure who that is, but the real benefit is we self-perform a lot of the scope. So we bring all our own companies in, electrical, mechanical, civil, building guys. So we have such a broad array of services, infrastructure side with site developments, and we've got all these services that changes the margin profile of the overall project. It's not like you're just putting a margin on the revenue. We're getting margins on these businesses as well. So that's a bit of a different dynamic for us.

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Maxim Sytchev
analyst

And then do you mind maybe discussing a little bit around the early opportunities in the defense space and maybe anything that's happening in Northern Ontario if we get our act together on Ring of Fire opportunities?

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Terrance McKibbon
executive

So on the defense side, the opportunities that we're seeing are tenfold what we would normally see. And that's certainly very exciting. It's a high barrier. There's only a few companies that do defense construction. So very sophisticated, complex. You got to have major investments and secure rooms and things like that. So we have that Canada-wide now. And so where these assets are getting major investments. And again, it's a tall order for Canada to get to 2% GDP and maintain it. And the maintain it part is really significant for the country to -- it's one thing to do it once, but the maintain aspect. So there's a lot of major planning going into the facilities that will be required to house this new array of defense armament in ships and submarines and jets. And if you put an F-35, it's not rolling into a Quonset hut. It's rolling into a bunker that has massive structure to it to protect when it's a $100 million plane. So you have this -- the scale of this is really quite impressive. And we're lucky to be in a position to be able to service all of those bases and all of those contemplated new bases in the remote north, which is a common place for us to be at any given time. We're constantly in the north doing something.

Ring of Fire certainly feels to us like the government in Ontario are really focused on this, and there seems to be a lot of activity. I think the federal government of Canada will be a very interested partner now moving forward. So it just feels like there's -- they've broken through the logjam on Ring of Fire and things are starting to happen and move. And again, it's really remote that work complex. Only a few companies have the interest in getting involved in something like that. You have to have a track record of being able to put these temporary bases in for your workforce to fly-in, fly-out likely. So pretty complex. And obviously, that's what we do. And at the same time, there's a lot of this stuff underway already. So there's some really big projects that are underway that some of the competitors that we would typically have are pretty busy with that.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Ian Gillies with Stifel.

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Ian Gillies
analyst

Following on Max's question a little bit. Can you talk a little bit about whether the permitting environment in Canada is causing some of the delays in getting projects going? And perhaps what you'd like to see changed or where you'd be hopeful to see improvements from the new Liberal government so we can get things going in a bit more of an expedited manner?

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Terrance McKibbon
executive

It certainly seems like on a federal level, things like Ring of Fire, there's been discussions now about this national corridor across the country. I think that's going to gain some momentum. So I think, from our lens, there appears to be some significant movement now in Ottawa with the new federal government, a new Prime Minister to start to expedite and get things done. We're really noticing it on the energy side, where you historically would be bottlenecked with permits and things like that. That seems to be much different today than it was. If you want to do an LNG facility in Prince Rupert, I think you have a very willing and engaged partner in the provincial and federal government to make that happen. That seems to be obvious. Now, again, we're not in the room with those permits, but it certainly feels like our clients are getting the support and more of a partnership than they ever have historically. So I think it's a really encouraging sign for us that there's a lot of things starting to happen and move now, and it makes it pretty exciting to be in the various sectors that we're in.

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Ian Gillies
analyst

As you think about new projects coming to market over the next, call it, 12 months, in light of recent project -- large project cancellations in Canada, are you worried that a slackening bid environment with a few more competitors with available capacity could hamper some of your margin goals or revenue growth goals?

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Terrance McKibbon
executive

No. Because -- and to be clear, we're not seeing projects canceled. We've had projects where the -- might have been at a municipal level, where the municipal team from the owner side got carried away with a wish list of what they wanted to build and didn't have the budget for it and go back to the drawing board and delays to 6 months, and they have to come back out to tender. We had a project in Alberta that was like that, and now it's coming back out to tender with a different format that makes it more reasonable, I would say. But we're not seeing really anything that we've got that's got scale to it with that framework of it being formally canceled.

The scale of the new things that are coming through in nuclear, in infrastructure, Pearson Airport is a mammoth investment that's just starting into procurement now by the federal government. It's a massive scale of what they expect to do there. So that's just something new that is daunting for the industry, to be honest with you. But there's more of those that are feel like they're imminent. LNG Phase 2, things like that. So I just think Prince Rupert LNG, things like that are just pretty exciting. We used to be pretty excited when we had one of those, and we've got a dozen or more of them and another dozen in the planning stages. So yes, no sign of anything that we're worried about. We have a client that we've identified in Dow Chemical that has delayed some of their spending until the uncertainty settles. But we're, again, I said earlier, it just allows us some additional capacity for some other things that we might not have even looked at. So we'll see. And again, it's not canceled, just deferred. So a lot of the work we've got there is not affected by it, but some of the new stuff likely will get pushed out a bit, but we'll see.

Operator

This concludes the question-and-answer session. I'll hand the call back to Mr. McKibbon for closing remarks.

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Terrance McKibbon
executive

Before we close, I'd like to highlight that our 2024 sustainability overview has been released. It reflects the progress we've made in embedding ESG priorities across our business, affirms our commitment to providing sustainable value and accretive contributions to our clients, employees, and shareholders and communities in which we live and work. This report is available on our website. I'd like to thank everyone for joining us this morning on our earnings call. And a special thanks to the Bird team for their ongoing commitment to safety and excellence. Thank you, everyone.

Operator

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